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Posted: 3/25/2015 3:37:15 PM EDT
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So a guy feels a way about something?
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Posted: 3/25/2015 3:37:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So ISIS' and the Nazies did nothing morally wrong then. According to their society and government. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted:  Morality is defined by society and government. I wonder if it got him hard thinking about raping children in front of their father. Bible thumpers gonna bible thump I guess. So ISIS' and the Nazies did nothing morally wrong then. According to their society and government. |
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Posted: 3/25/2015 3:37:29 PM EDT
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Meh...
Way to try and make something out of nothing OP. I get what he is saying. He's a bit ruff and sometimes crude, but the man has truth in his words. Sorry it hurt you sensitive sensibilities. Grow a thicker skin. |
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Posted: 3/25/2015 3:37:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuck him. |
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Posted: 3/25/2015 3:37:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So a guy feels a way about something? Why are we supposed to care? |
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Posted: 3/25/2015 3:38:28 PM EDT
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He reminds me of the crazy old ex-chicken fighter here.
Super active imagination and great stories. Could be as high as 70% bullshit, but entertaining as hell. Just bear in mind that he's probably certifiably insane. |
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Posted: 3/25/2015 3:38:42 PM EDT
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Defined how and by whom? If you say "society", well, I'll have to Godwin the thread. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well, that is a harsh but accurate view of moral relativism But not necessarily Atheism. Shocking to some, but an Atheist can be moral. Defined how and by whom? If you say "society", well, I'll have to Godwin the thread. Well, if you read about 10 posts up it was already said. Morality is defined by society and government... That is a terrifying thought. |
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Posted: 3/25/2015 3:38:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Meh... Way to try and make something out of nothing OP. I get what he is saying. He's a bit ruff and sometimes crude, but the man has truth in his words. Sorry it hurt you sensitive sensibilities. Grow a thicker skin. |
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Posted: 3/25/2015 3:39:05 PM EDT
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He reminds me of the crazy old ex-chicken fighter here. Super active imagination and great stories. Could be as high as 70% bullshit, but entertaining as hell. Just bear in mind that he's probably certifiably insane. Which one? The chicken guy or the duck guy? |
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Posted: 3/25/2015 3:40:14 PM EDT
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So fear of divine wrath keeps Phil Robertson from commiting
Rape and murder |
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Posted: 3/25/2015 3:40:32 PM EDT
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He's not gay. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fuck him. He's not gay. He sure does talk about it alot, tho. More than some gay people I know. |
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Posted: 3/25/2015 3:40:40 PM EDT
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So ISIS' and the Nazies did nothing morally wrong then. According to their society and government. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Morality is defined by society and government. I wonder if it got him hard thinking about raping children in front of their father. Bible thumpers gonna bible thump I guess. So ISIS' and the Nazies did nothing morally wrong then. According to their society and government. Well ISIS doesn't think they are doing wrong because they think it's all justified by their book and their god. What's the difference between their book and god and yours? Because you were born in the US and brainwashed from childhood that it was the correct ones? |
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Posted: 3/25/2015 3:40:51 PM EDT
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So ISIS' and the Nazies did nothing morally wrong then. According to their society and government. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Morality is defined by society and government. I wonder if it got him hard thinking about raping children in front of their father. Bible thumpers gonna bible thump I guess. So ISIS' and the Nazies did nothing morally wrong then. According to their society and government. Yep, good thing I don't choose to live with Nazis or ISIS. If American society and Government shift to a point where child rape and castration isn't a punishable offense, I'll move. Christian babies get raped and murdered by ISIS. Seems like their morals didn't save them form the people around them. |
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Posted: 3/25/2015 3:40:53 PM EDT
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I like Phil but I don't necessarily agree with everything he says.
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Posted: 3/25/2015 3:41:00 PM EDT
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Guess I'll quietly observe this thread. Something tells me it's gonna get good.
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Posted: 3/25/2015 3:41:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So fear of divine wrath keeps Phil Robertson from commiting Rape and murder |
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Posted: 3/25/2015 3:41:23 PM EDT
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Fuck that scripted fake reality TV show. LOL yeah I bet while they will be mildly upset that they lost some money they probably cant wait to get rid of the stupid beards. |
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Posted: 3/25/2015 3:41:38 PM EDT
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Which one? The chicken guy or the duck guy? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He reminds me of the crazy old ex-chicken fighter here. Super active imagination and great stories. Could be as high as 70% bullshit, but entertaining as hell. Just bear in mind that he's probably certifiably insane. Which one? The chicken guy or the duck guy? Crazy Joe the chicken fighter. Who got charged with incitement to riot after getting arrested when he told one of the black guys in the jail that he was in there for organizing a klan meeting. |
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Posted: 3/25/2015 3:41:53 PM EDT
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What he is graphically saying is where does rule of law ultimately stem from? I am not an atheist, so I can not think like an atheist.
From a Christian point of view - we have 3 basic reasons that we obey laws. 1) we want to be good people-saints (people who love God and want to please him), 2) earthly consequence of being caught and 3) the eternal consequence. If you remove our religion from the table, 1 & 3 go away, and honestly most criminals don't think 2) will happen to them. At the end of the day - it can be hard for a Christian to understand why would an atheist obeying law if they did not think there would be consequences. He is simply pointing out the consequence of what would if that came full circle. |
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Posted: 3/25/2015 3:41:54 PM EDT
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Kind of implies that if it weren't for his belief in a deity that he would do something like that.
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Posted: 3/25/2015 3:42:00 PM EDT
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So a guy feels a way about something? Why are we supposed to care? Because the country is enamored with what that sexual predator has to say for some reason. |
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Posted: 3/25/2015 3:42:10 PM EDT
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Well, if you read about 10 posts up it was already said. Morality is defined by society and government... That is a terrifying thought. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well, that is a harsh but accurate view of moral relativism But not necessarily Atheism. Shocking to some, but an Atheist can be moral. Defined how and by whom? If you say "society", well, I'll have to Godwin the thread. Well, if you read about 10 posts up it was already said. Morality is defined by society and government... That is a terrifying thought. Not really. It's always been like that. |
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Posted: 3/25/2015 3:42:18 PM EDT
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Well, if you read about 10 posts up it was already said. Morality is defined by society and government... That is a terrifying thought. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well, that is a harsh but accurate view of moral relativism But not necessarily Atheism. Shocking to some, but an Atheist can be moral. Defined how and by whom? If you say "society", well, I'll have to Godwin the thread. Well, if you read about 10 posts up it was already said. Morality is defined by society and government... That is a terrifying thought. The morality comes from Judeo-Christian values that this country was founded upon Why atheists would even care about right or wrong, I dunno. Do whatever you want |
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Posted: 3/25/2015 3:42:55 PM EDT
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Well, that is a harsh but accurate view of moral relativism And here's where your silly theory falls apart. I don't believe in god. No heaven, no hell, no easter bunny, ghosts or leprechauns. I treat people well because I posess something called empathy. It means that I can recognize when another person is in pain-either emotional or physical. It's part of the reason you cringe instinctively when you see someone on youtube take a bowling ball to the nuts. You empathize. Sociopaths and psychopaths don't posess empathy. They don't recognize pain (or joy) in other people. It has nothing to do with religion. The whole atheist/moral relativism argument is idiotic and irrelevant. Someone who adheres to every tenet of Christianity but is a sociopath would be wholly unmoved by watching someone run over by a bus. They might mimic to fit in, but they wouldn't actually feel anything. Someone who is a particularly empathetic atheist who doesn't give a shit about the bible might be emotionally crushed by that same incident. |
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Posted: 3/25/2015 3:43:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The morality comes from Judeo-Christian values that this country was founded upon Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Well, that is a harsh but accurate view of moral relativism But not necessarily Atheism. Shocking to some, but an Atheist can be moral. Defined how and by whom? If you say "society", well, I'll have to Godwin the thread. Well, if you read about 10 posts up it was already said. Morality is defined by society and government... That is a terrifying thought. The morality comes from Judeo-Christian values that this country was founded upon |
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Posted: 3/25/2015 3:43:48 PM EDT
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So fear of divine wrath keeps Phil Robertson from commitingRape and murder We have had more than A_few here who actually believe that. It's a kind of a scary thought. 
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Posted: 3/25/2015 3:44:02 PM EDT
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Crazy Joe the chicken fighter. Who got charged with incitement to riot after getting arrested when he told one of the black guys in the jail that he was in there for organizing a klan meeting. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He reminds me of the crazy old ex-chicken fighter here. Super active imagination and great stories. Could be as high as 70% bullshit, but entertaining as hell. Just bear in mind that he's probably certifiably insane. Which one? The chicken guy or the duck guy? Crazy Joe the chicken fighter. Who got charged with incitement to riot after getting arrested when he told one of the black guys in the jail that he was in there for organizing a klan meeting. OK. Just checking. I will scratch the chicken guy off the list and only go to the duck guy going forward. 
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Posted: 3/25/2015 3:44:35 PM EDT
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You capitalized rape. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So fear of divine wrath keeps Phil Robertson from commiting Rape and murder Well at least he didn't say it twice. |
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Posted: 3/25/2015 3:45:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well at least he didn't say it twice. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: So fear of divine wrath keeps Phil Robertson from commiting Rape and murder Well at least he didn't say it twice. You're right. It's more devious. |
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Posted: 3/25/2015 3:45:12 PM EDT
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The morality comes from Judeo-Christian values that this country was founded upon Why atheists would even care about right or wrong, I dunno. Do whatever you want Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well, that is a harsh but accurate view of moral relativism But not necessarily Atheism. Shocking to some, but an Atheist can be moral. Defined how and by whom? If you say "society", well, I'll have to Godwin the thread. Well, if you read about 10 posts up it was already said. Morality is defined by society and government... That is a terrifying thought. The morality comes from Judeo-Christian values that this country was founded upon Why atheists would even care about right or wrong, I dunno. Do whatever you want So the only reason you do the right things instead of the wrong things is fear of repercussions in the afterlife? Seems like a dick move. |
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Posted: 3/25/2015 3:45:15 PM EDT
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True. But one can not believe in a Supreme Being and still have moral standards based on logic and reason. The moral standards in the Bible were written down by a man. Now these men said, and people believed, they came from God. Just because they said it and it's believed doesn't mean that these men could not have invented them via logic and reason. Phil is under the impression that anyone who's not religious doesn't believe in moral standards or right and wrong. He's incorrect. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well, that is a harsh but accurate view of moral relativism True. But one can not believe in a Supreme Being and still have moral standards based on logic and reason. The moral standards in the Bible were written down by a man. Now these men said, and people believed, they came from God. Just because they said it and it's believed doesn't mean that these men could not have invented them via logic and reason. Phil is under the impression that anyone who's not religious doesn't believe in moral standards or right and wrong. He's incorrect. I believe your assumption is incorrect. I believe Phil is under the impression that anyone that doesn't believe in moral standards or right and wrong is not religious. Anyway, he's right about criminals having no conviction, and he's right about people who have no conviction having also a relative standard of judgment. |
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Posted: 3/25/2015 3:45:22 PM EDT
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What he is graphically saying is where does rule of law ultimately stem from? I am not an atheist, so I can not think like an atheist. From a Christian point of view - we have 3 basic reasons that we obey laws. 1) we want to be good people-saints (people who love God and want to please him), 2) earthly consequence of being caught and 3) the eternal consequence. If you remove our religion from the table, 1 & 3 go away, and honestly most criminals don't think 2) will happen to them. At the end of the day - it can be hard for a Christian to understand why would an atheist obeying law if they did not think there would be consequences. He is simply pointing out the consequence of what would if that came full circle. So you're saying that without a belief in God, no one can have an ethical compass directing them not to hurt their neighbors? That the only reason they don't murder and pillage is because of the law? Bullshit. |
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Posted: 3/25/2015 3:46:12 PM EDT
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What he is graphically saying is where does rule of law ultimately stem from? I am not an atheist, so I can not think like an atheist. From a Christian point of view - we have 3 basic reasons that we obey laws. 1) we want to be good people-saints (people who love God and want to please him), 2) earthly consequence of being caught and 3) the eternal consequence. If you remove our religion from the table, 1 & 3 go away, and honestly most criminals don't think 2) will happen to them. At the end of the day - it can be hard for a Christian to understand why would an atheist obeying law if they did not think there would be consequences. He is simply pointing out the consequence of what would if that came full circle. From logic and reason. Protect the individual from society, government and individuals. Protect society from the other two. Protect government from the other two. Not that complicated of a concept although it can get complicated in the details. |
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Posted: 3/25/2015 3:47:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/25/2015 3:47:41 PM EDT
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I think my post in this thread has been misunderstood.
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Posted: 3/25/2015 3:48:04 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/25/2015 3:48:05 PM EDT
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True. But one can not believe in a Supreme Being and still have moral standards based on logic and reason. The moral standards in the Bible were written down by a man. Now these men said, and people believed, they came from God. Just because they said it and it's believed doesn't mean that these men could not have invented them via logic and reason. Phil is under the impression that anyone who's not religious doesn't believe in moral standards or right and wrong. He's incorrect. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well, that is a harsh but accurate view of moral relativism True. But one can not believe in a Supreme Being and still have moral standards based on logic and reason. The moral standards in the Bible were written down by a man. Now these men said, and people believed, they came from God. Just because they said it and it's believed doesn't mean that these men could not have invented them via logic and reason. Phil is under the impression that anyone who's not religious doesn't believe in moral standards or right and wrong. He's incorrect. This. He's also under the impression that only the religious man is a moral man. Some people need/want religion, some don't. IIRC he was quite the drunken philanderer before finding religion. So, there's a man who needs religion. Personally, I don't need a 2000 year old fairy tale to tell me not to cheat on my wife. |
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Posted: 3/25/2015 3:48:05 PM EDT
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And here's where your silly theory falls apart. I don't believe in god. No heaven, no hell, no easter bunny, ghosts or leprechauns. I treat people well because I posess something called empathy. It means that I can recognize when another person is in pain-either emotional or physical. It's part of the reason you cringe instinctively when you see someone on youtube take a bowling ball to the nuts. You empathize. Sociopaths and psychopaths don't posess empathy. They don't recognize pain (or joy) in other people. It has nothing to do with religion. nt. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well, that is a harsh but accurate view of moral relativism And here's where your silly theory falls apart. I don't believe in god. No heaven, no hell, no easter bunny, ghosts or leprechauns. I treat people well because I posess something called empathy. It means that I can recognize when another person is in pain-either emotional or physical. It's part of the reason you cringe instinctively when you see someone on youtube take a bowling ball to the nuts. You empathize. Sociopaths and psychopaths don't posess empathy. They don't recognize pain (or joy) in other people. It has nothing to do with religion. nt. From a statistical point of view the vast majority of people involved in the Nazi and Stalinist system were neither psychopaths or sociopaths and were quite capable of feeling empathy. |
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Posted: 3/25/2015 3:48:17 PM EDT
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If damnation is the only thing holding you back from being a barbaric psycho, you're already a barbaric psycho on the inside.
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Posted: 3/25/2015 3:48:34 PM EDT
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So you're saying that without a belief in God, no one can have an ethical compass directing them not to hurt their neighbors? That the only reason they don't murder and pillage is because of the law? Bullshit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What he is graphically saying is where does rule of law ultimately stem from? I am not an atheist, so I can not think like an atheist. From a Christian point of view - we have 3 basic reasons that we obey laws. 1) we want to be good people-saints (people who love God and want to please him), 2) earthly consequence of being caught and 3) the eternal consequence. If you remove our religion from the table, 1 & 3 go away, and honestly most criminals don't think 2) will happen to them. At the end of the day - it can be hard for a Christian to understand why would an atheist obeying law if they did not think there would be consequences. He is simply pointing out the consequence of what would if that came full circle. So you're saying that without a belief in God, no one can have an ethical compass directing them not to hurt their neighbors? That the only reason they don't murder and pillage is because of the law? Bullshit. Sounds about right to me. Just think some christians are one bad day away from raping and murdering at all times. Only thing that's holding them back is god! Let that sink in for a moment. |
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Posted: 3/25/2015 3:48:39 PM EDT
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Fuck him and fuck his fagot god Now this thread is going places.
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Posted: 3/25/2015 3:48:47 PM EDT
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Here's a mindblower for the false dichotomy in this thread:
Those who believe in God or gods... but not necessarily YOUR God/gods, might very well have a different set of morals than you. Oh sweet Jesus, you mean there might be more than two opinions on this subject? Does not compute. My poor American brain has been programmed since birth for every debate to have only two sides. |
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Posted: 3/25/2015 3:49:13 PM EDT
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The morality comes from Judeo-Christian values that this country was founded upon Why atheists would even care about right or wrong, I dunno. Do whatever you want That's an exceptionally ignorant and stupid thing to say. People care about right and wrong because they want to live a life able to pursue liberty and happiness. Laws punishing what is deemed as wrong help insure this ability. Sometimes men get things wrong. If we based our country on your JC values, how did slavery slip by. That's a pretty big mistake. So, no, we base morality on logic and reason and when we find we've got something wrong, we fix it. |
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Posted: 3/25/2015 3:49:58 PM EDT
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In the minds of whackjob Bibleists, yes it is. Some of them have pretty much said the same thing here. Repeatedly. And been cheered for it by their buddies. Proof of how unhinged they are on a number of levels. Hope you enjoyed your 15 minutes of fame, Phil. Looks like the dementia is really setting in full swing and the money spigot's about to get turned off. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Because that is exactly how atheism and criminal minds work...  In the minds of whackjob Bibleists, yes it is. Some of them have pretty much said the same thing here. Repeatedly. And been cheered for it by their buddies. Proof of how unhinged they are on a number of levels. Hope you enjoyed your 15 minutes of fame, Phil. Looks like the dementia is really setting in full swing and the money spigot's about to get turned off. Haha, like he cares |
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Posted: 3/25/2015 3:51:00 PM EDT
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The people who like him will still like him, people who don't still won't. But his logic is pretty stupid. Atheist don't believe there isn't a right or wrong, they just don't believe in a god. I think that the argument that some try to make is that non-atheists, including out basis for laws, use morality based off of the bible (commandments, religion, God, etc...). So their thinking might be "well since atheists don't believe in the bible (commandments, religion, God, etc...), then where do their moral codes or base come from?". Whether it is right or wrong it is the only thing I can think of where they get this line of thinking. |
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Posted: 3/25/2015 3:51:32 PM EDT
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Here's a mindblower for the false dichotomy in this thread: Those who believe in God or gods... but not necessarily YOUR God/gods, might very well have a different set of morals than you. Oh sweet Jesus, you mean there might be more than two opinions on this subject? Does not compute. My poor American brain has been programmed since birth for every debate to have only two sides. Divine morality is best morality. BRB becoming a Muslim so I can get me some sex slaves.
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Posted: 3/25/2015 3:51:36 PM EDT
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So you're saying that without a belief in God, no one can have an ethical compass directing them not to hurt their neighbors? That the only reason they don't murder and pillage is because of the law? Bullshit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What he is graphically saying is where does rule of law ultimately stem from? I am not an atheist, so I can not think like an atheist. From a Christian point of view - we have 3 basic reasons that we obey laws. 1) we want to be good people-saints (people who love God and want to please him), 2) earthly consequence of being caught and 3) the eternal consequence. If you remove our religion from the table, 1 & 3 go away, and honestly most criminals don't think 2) will happen to them. At the end of the day - it can be hard for a Christian to understand why would an atheist obeying law if they did not think there would be consequences. He is simply pointing out the consequence of what would if that came full circle. So you're saying that without a belief in God, no one can have an ethical compass directing them not to hurt their neighbors? That the only reason they don't murder and pillage is because of the law? Bullshit. Plenty of places here in the US where people fear neither God nor the government's law. Hence why their babies never do nothing wrong. |
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Posted: 3/25/2015 3:52:01 PM EDT
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But not necessarily Atheism. Shocking to some, but an Atheist can be moral. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well, that is a harsh but accurate view of moral relativism But not necessarily Atheism. Shocking to some, but an Atheist can be moral. The logical conclusion of that worldview is moral relativism. Atheists can certainly be moral, but they have to borrow from moral objectivism to do it. They like to pick and choose, ie homosexuality is ok but murder is always wrong, but they still have to have moral objectivism. They'll never see it that way though and will only say "I'm sorry you need a book to tell you to be moral" which is a dead-end taunt with no rational application to the argument. |
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Posted: 3/25/2015 3:52:27 PM EDT
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So the only reason you do the right things instead of the wrong things is fear of repercussions in the afterlife? Seems like a dick move. Nope. I'm not perfect. I do get my sense of right and wrong from what God says because He makes the rules. His law is the law. 10 Commandments and all. Now where do you get your sense of right and wrong? You have to make it up right? |
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Posted: 3/25/2015 3:53:00 PM EDT
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Morality is defined by society and government. I wonder if it got him hard thinking about raping children in front of their father. Bible thumpers gonna bible thump I guess. so if society says that raping and murdering a man's wife and child in front of him prior to his castration is ok then that is moral as long as society says so. You're not helping your side at all. |
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