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Posted: 3/23/2015 4:13:36 PM EDT
[#1]
That's not really true. It was the E4's I usually went to, to get shit done. They did a little more than the privates...
They also got more shit if they screwed up since they were looked to be getting ready for E5. |
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Posted: 3/23/2015 4:14:31 PM EDT
[#2]
Not in the military TL:DR
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Posted: 3/23/2015 4:15:31 PM EDT
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Sham Shield
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Posted: 3/23/2015 4:17:12 PM EDT
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So now I know why army seargents are borderline worthless.
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Posted: 3/23/2015 4:17:16 PM EDT
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In before the lance criminals.
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Posted: 3/23/2015 4:18:57 PM EDT
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Not in the military TL:DR If you were, then you wouldn't need to read it. I new the content as soon as I saw the title. Spec4 mafia. Hooligans. |
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Posted: 3/23/2015 4:19:27 PM EDT
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My experience was different, especially when getting shit done. Meh, 80% of the time it's better to be a NCO.
As an E4 you would go to S1, motorpool, supply ncos, stand at parade rest, get fucked with, and maybe get what you need. As an E5, you go to the same spots and say "sgt/ssg/sfc, could you help me with X?", and they would always help. |
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Posted: 3/23/2015 4:20:06 PM EDT
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In before the lance criminals. False I was here first. |
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Posted: 3/23/2015 4:21:55 PM EDT
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Hey, I was a Full Bird Private!
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Posted: 3/23/2015 4:22:27 PM EDT
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CW2 is the best rank in the Army. |
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Posted: 3/23/2015 4:23:34 PM EDT
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The army went to hell after they abolished Spec 5 & 6.
Homosexuals, Berettas and carbines started creeping in shortly afterwards once the door was open.  |
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Posted: 3/23/2015 4:28:09 PM EDT
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seeing as how promotion to Specialist is more or less automatic and based on time in service (if you can hold your liquor), I can hold my liquor and never made it past PFC. 
I made an art form of smart-assery though. 
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Posted: 3/23/2015 4:29:00 PM EDT
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Tank units are too small to have that kind of Sham Shield Mafia.
In a tank company, there were only 4 line platoons. They would have a paltry 64 men at full strength. 16 of them would be NCO's or officers. Of the remaining 48, there would probably be another 10-16 that would be Corporals or higher. That only leaves around 30 lower enlisted. With the assorted privates and PFC's, you are now looking at maybe 10 Specialists. That's a pretty small mafia. |
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Posted: 3/23/2015 4:32:57 PM EDT
[#14]
heck i made SP4 twice..
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Posted: 3/23/2015 4:33:33 PM EDT
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The army went to hell after they abolished Spec 5 & 6. Homosexuals, Berettas and carbines started creeping in shortly afterwards once the door was open.
Circa 1985/86 the homosexuals were already there, just still in the wall locker. We still had 1911's but, the M9 was already going to first line units like the 82nd. I remember a Spec-6 that lived in our barracks; one day he was a SSG and he looked lost with the new title when we called him sergeant. |
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Posted: 3/23/2015 4:37:53 PM EDT
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So now I know why army seargents are borderline worthless. You don't. What you read was countered with the first post. I could say the same about marines I trained... |
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Posted: 3/23/2015 4:38:01 PM EDT
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Your first sentence is wrong. It doesn't get better after that.
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Posted: 3/23/2015 4:40:19 PM EDT
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Army thread-----ughh, im out
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Posted: 3/23/2015 4:44:33 PM EDT
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Man, I could write a fucking book on all the shit we got away with. |
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Posted: 3/23/2015 4:45:51 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/23/2015 4:47:13 PM EDT
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Tank units are too small to have that kind of Sham Shield Mafia. In a tank company, there were only 4 line platoons. They would have a paltry 64 men at full strength. 16 of them would be NCO's or officers. Of the remaining 48, there would probably be another 10-16 that would be Corporals or higher. That only leaves around 30 lower enlisted. With the assorted privates and PFC's, you are now looking at maybe 10 Specialists. That's a pretty small mafia. Depends. Had a lot of specialists in my armor units because points were maxed or dudes didn't want it (especially if they were in USAEUR, because there were no corporals and E-5s got the shit NCO gigs). Additionally, the mafia isn't limited to one company. A good group of sham-shielders know how to network. |
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Posted: 3/23/2015 4:50:17 PM EDT
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Correct. If you need something done fast, call the E4s. 2 radios missing handsets twenty minutes before a Battalion level inspection? We got you bro, just don't ask how. It goes downhill after you get "promoted". <a href="http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/tmann1990/media/Mobile%20Uploads/Cs3UTCz_zpsfeac6dj7.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w463/tmann1990/Mobile%20Uploads/Cs3UTCz_zpsfeac6dj7.jpg</a> LOL Need to get a part for a deadlined Tank in the MP out in Graff.. Heh, Ya i got you covered.. My god I had them covered.. And I got taken care of so well with food and beer..  Man I miss them days..
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Posted: 3/23/2015 4:51:11 PM EDT
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Sure it is, if you don't want any responsibility and just want to fuck with privates for shits and giggles.
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Posted: 3/23/2015 4:51:17 PM EDT
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We always called it "The E4 Clause." You knew what you were supposed to do/where to be/how to get it done. But unless an E5 or above gave you those instructions, you'd just ignore it. When question'd we'd always respond, "no one in my chain of command told me about it."
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Posted: 3/23/2015 4:56:25 PM EDT
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The army went to hell after they abolished Spec 5 & 6. Homosexuals, Berettas and carbines started creeping in shortly afterwards once the door was open.
I knew a couple Spec8s back in 85. |
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Posted: 3/23/2015 5:05:43 PM EDT
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LOL Need to get a part for a deadlined Tank in the MP out in Graff.. Heh, Ya i got you covered.. My god I had them covered.. And I got taken care of so well with food and beer.. Man I miss them days..Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Correct. If you need something done fast, call the E4s. 2 radios missing handsets twenty minutes before a Battalion level inspection? We got you bro, just don't ask how. It goes downhill after you get "promoted". <a href="http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/tmann1990/media/Mobile%20Uploads/Cs3UTCz_zpsfeac6dj7.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w463/tmann1990/Mobile%20Uploads/Cs3UTCz_zpsfeac6dj7.jpg</a> LOL Need to get a part for a deadlined Tank in the MP out in Graff.. Heh, Ya i got you covered.. My god I had them covered.. And I got taken care of so well with food and beer.. Man I miss them days..You knew you were good when 1SG pulled you aside quietly and offers to "misplace" your leave form from staff duty, in exchange for those magic E4 powers. Top- "Look, I know it's 1730 on a Friday, but I need a bus driver and a bus, ready to go to ATL, parked out front of Battalion at 0600 Monday. Don't care how, but I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine" SPC Gorilla- "No worries, I know a guy who knows a guy at the dispatch office"
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Posted: 3/23/2015 5:09:08 PM EDT
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Ahh, SPC. Enough experience to know how to get shit done, or how to fuck off like a pro.
All that with very little in the way of responsibility. Miss my days in the Mafia. |
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Posted: 3/23/2015 5:13:08 PM EDT
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False I was here first. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In before the lance criminals. False I was here first. Thats not what she said.. |
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Posted: 3/23/2015 5:18:41 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/23/2015 5:23:28 PM EDT
[#30]
Proud member of the Order Of The (sham) Shield.
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Posted: 3/23/2015 5:25:35 PM EDT
[#31]
Nope E6 was the best.
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Posted: 3/23/2015 5:27:43 PM EDT
[#32]
Being a Specialist has its perks, but getting sucked into filling in for open NCO slots while still getting E4 pay sucked.
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Posted: 3/23/2015 5:27:43 PM EDT
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Don't forget about the worst rank in the Army: Corporal.
Corporal? You know, the other E4. Corporals get treated like NCOs and privates at the same time, all dependent on the whims of their "leaders". Got a shitty detail? Give it to a corporal. Need someone to be in charge of said shitty detail? Give that to a corporal too. |
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Posted: 3/23/2015 5:36:41 PM EDT
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Being a Specialist has its perks, but getting sucked into filling in for open NCO slots while still getting E4 pay sucked. Nonsense! Being a TL, company armorer, company master driver, and SHARP rep at the same time, for E4 pay, was the highlight of my career. Highly recommended
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Posted: 3/23/2015 5:45:46 PM EDT
[#35]
Olld school tag.
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Posted: 3/23/2015 5:46:27 PM EDT
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Being an e4 was fun.... Once I became an nco I had to grow up and be an example and shit, as an e4 I lived to terrorize cherries and make them do my work
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Posted: 3/23/2015 5:47:24 PM EDT
[#37]
So that's why my brother was pissed! he was e4 and got a promo before being deployed lol
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Posted: 3/23/2015 5:48:14 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/23/2015 5:51:05 PM EDT
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<a href="http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/tmann1990/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20140519_202319_zpsz9pagm6e.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w463/tmann1990/Mobile%20Uploads/20140519_202319_zpsz9pagm6e.jpg</a> Even the dag is a part of the mafia. She's lazy and hates officers Something's missing here. |
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Posted: 3/23/2015 5:53:09 PM EDT
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Proudly wore the shield for 6 of the 9 years I was in the guard. Probably the saddest thing was Spec4s retiring with 25, 30 years in
I could have had my Sgt stripes the last year I was in if I was willing to transfer and drive to Ellicot City MD every month for drill. Fuck that. |
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Posted: 3/23/2015 5:55:35 PM EDT
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Don't forget about the worst rank in the Army: Corporal. Corporal? You know, the other E4. Corporals get treated like NCOs and privates at the same time, all dependent on the whims of their "leaders". Got a shitty detail? Give it to a corporal. Need someone to be in charge of said shitty detail? Give that to a corporal too. I fucking love CPLs. They actually have to perform in order to get that next stripe and they know it. I wish we put stripes on every E4 p. Make them remember they aren't there yet. You get a kid who you're sending to the board and filling an E5 slot, put CPL rank on him and watch him move heaven and earth to get shit done. He'll smoke the fuck out of a PVT, too. LCpls are a whole other animal.
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Posted: 3/23/2015 5:56:28 PM EDT
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Yeah...about the whole E4 thing. E4 tells E3 to drive through the dirt road on the left, E3 sprechens enough german to tell E4 that the road is closed. E4 makes it an order...fast forward 100 yards; CUCV buried to the top of the fenderwells all the way around (had to roll down the windows to get out).
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Posted: 3/23/2015 5:58:53 PM EDT
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I fucking love CPLs. They actually have to perform in order to get that next stripe and they know it. I wish we put stripes on every E4 p. Make them remember they aren't there yet. You get a kid who you're sending to the board and filling an E5 slot, put CPL rank on him and watch him move heaven and earth to get shit done. He'll smoke the fuck out of a PVT, too. LCpls are a whole other animal. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Don't forget about the worst rank in the Army: Corporal. Corporal? You know, the other E4. Corporals get treated like NCOs and privates at the same time, all dependent on the whims of their "leaders". Got a shitty detail? Give it to a corporal. Need someone to be in charge of said shitty detail? Give that to a corporal too. I fucking love CPLs. They actually have to perform in order to get that next stripe and they know it. I wish we put stripes on every E4 p. Make them remember they aren't there yet. You get a kid who you're sending to the board and filling an E5 slot, put CPL rank on him and watch him move heaven and earth to get shit done. He'll smoke the fuck out of a PVT, too. LCpls are a whole other animal. We get promoted we gets demoted we don't give a fuck. Kind of like the Master Gy except he's not getting promoted and not getting demoted and not giving a fuck. |
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Posted: 3/23/2015 6:01:47 PM EDT
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Yeah...about the whole E4 thing. E4 tells E3 to drive through the dirt road on the left, E3 sprechens enough german to tell E4 that the road is closed. E4 makes it an order...fast forward 100 yards; CUCV buried to the top of the fenderwells all the way around (had to roll down the windows to get out). You should post that over in the Schadenfreude Thread. |
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Posted: 3/23/2015 6:03:20 PM EDT
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Nonsense! Being a TL, company armorer, company master driver, and SHARP rep at the same time, for E4 pay, was the highlight of my career. Highly recommended Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Being a Specialist has its perks, but getting sucked into filling in for open NCO slots while still getting E4 pay sucked. Nonsense! Being a TL, company armorer, company master driver, and SHARP rep at the same time, for E4 pay, was the highlight of my career. Highly recommended I actually think Corporal has to be the worst rank in the Army... E4 pay.. and you are actually are an NCO
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Posted: 3/23/2015 6:06:35 PM EDT
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I actually think Corporal has to be the worst rank in the Army... E4 pay.. and you are actually are an NCO Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Being a Specialist has its perks, but getting sucked into filling in for open NCO slots while still getting E4 pay sucked. Nonsense! Being a TL, company armorer, company master driver, and SHARP rep at the same time, for E4 pay, was the highlight of my career. Highly recommended I actually think Corporal has to be the worst rank in the Army... E4 pay.. and you are actually are an NCO You say being an NCO is a bad thing. Getting paid like a Cpl but being treated like a private or pfc doesn't sound like a good time. |
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Posted: 3/23/2015 6:07:01 PM EDT
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The army went to hell after they abolished Spec 5 & 6. Homosexuals, Berettas and carbines started creeping in shortly afterwards once the door was open.
Homosexuals and Berettas 
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Posted: 3/23/2015 6:08:37 PM EDT
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You should post that over in the Schadenfreude Thread. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yeah...about the whole E4 thing. E4 tells E3 to drive through the dirt road on the left, E3 sprechens enough german to tell E4 that the road is closed. E4 makes it an order...fast forward 100 yards; CUCV buried to the top of the fenderwells all the way around (had to roll down the windows to get out). You should post that over in the Schadenfreude Thread. That was just the beginning of a rather long recovery operation in the german woods. E3 tells E4 that the road is undermined by the bordering swamp and to grab another CUCV or one of the HumVees...E4 brings 2 1/2 ton wrecker into the swamp. As wrecker crew starts to unass the vehicle; vehicle starts to slide sideways as the roadway collapses under it...wrecker crew expedites unassing while vehicle rolls over, into the swamp. E4 looks at E3...turns and starts walking back to base once again. E3 and the two from the wrecker (also E3s) get MREs off the wrecker and have lunch, then dinner, on top of the CUCV while waiting for the E4 to return. |
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Posted: 3/23/2015 6:09:42 PM EDT
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I was a spec 4 for a bit, then got a corporal E4 slot. I honest to god think I may have been the only B12 corporal in the Army. No one knew what to make of me.
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Posted: 3/23/2015 6:18:15 PM EDT
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That's not really true. It was the E4's I usually went to, to get shit done. They did a little more than the privates... They also got more shit if they screwed up since they were looked to be getting ready for E5. Quote HistoryQuoted:
That's not really true. It was the E4's I usually went to, to get shit done. They did a little more than the privates... They also got more shit if they screwed up since they were looked to be getting ready for E5. Agreed. It was usually an E-4 (when I was SGT) I'd go to to get shit done. Not only are they usually knowledgeable, but if they're smart and looking to take initiative they corral a bunch of lower enlisted and get the job done. Quoted:
And seeing as how promotion to Specialist is more or less automatic and based on time in service E-2 through E-4 is moreso recognized as "advancement", as you noted, it's pretty much automatic based on TIS, TIG, and ability to qualify with a primary weapon system and ability to pass an APFT. Promotion is considered E-5 and above. I will, however, concede to the point that sham shield certainly had more freedom and ability to not be noticed when shamming. |
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