Computer nerdism completion.

 

At about the 48 minute mark Snowden says the NSA was asking his girlfriend questions about him. One of them was "what do you know about his illness" or maybe I misheard.


eta 46:54

He was pretending to be out sick from work while he was in Hong Kong with Greenwald and Poitras.

Oh ok

Ed Snowden...American Hero

Bump for those who haven't watched this.
Why DC isn't on fire from the masses still baffles me.

They don't care because they 'have nothing to hide.'

That fits the profile of one of the current Russian ideological warfare branch operations out of SVR.

They've been pounding a drum of propaganda through Der Spiegel to break the alliance between Germany and the US, while running this constant story of the "romantic" relationship between Germany and Russia.

Der Spiegel: Prominent Germans Have Sympathy for Russia

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The gravity and magnitude of what he did mandates alot of planning. You don't turn on your own government (even though it was the right thing to do) without much planning!

Isn't it funny how people react to certain triggers?  You say, "Hackers could hijack your device with you knowing and use your camera to spy on you," and everyone runs around shrieking and taping over their lenses.  You say, "Our own government could hijack your device with you knowing and use your camera to spy on you," and they scoff and call you a paranoid, tin-foil-sporting loon.

 

Tony Scott already made this documentary... it's called Enemy of the State. It wasn't fiction

Watching this one now.

The benevolent government loves us, that's why. It protects us from all that is evil in the world, and all it asks for in return is fealty.

It's a small price to pay for safety.

Good.

That may be the dumbest comment I've ever seen.

Please remove, Mr. Jefferson's quote from your signature.

So what would you do, assuming what he states is true, having knowledge of this system in place set to spy on American Citizens within US Borders across all communications? How far do you think our government would go if you leaked the information and didn't run? Credibility is everything, if you were him and you didn't plan it and just came "out" how quickly do you think you'd be "found with 3 hard drives full of child porn and a kidnapped kid in his basement" and being "shot for resisting arrest during a warrant."

and the htc one, and i believe the upcoming galaxy s6...

Just out of curiosity, has anyone "fact checked" or researched the people behind this movie and/or the claims?

How do we know this isn't propaganda itself?


Either way it's interesting.

For a while, I was on the "Snowden is a Traitor" side of this fence but honestly the more I hear about what he revealed the more I think he did exactly the right thing.

The scariest part of the whole story, well parts:
1) How many thousands of others in positions similar to Snowden's didn't/don't care that citizen's rights are being violated (or in danger of being violated) on the daily?
2) What has changed since this massive infodump?  Pretty much nothing.....

To answer question 1- no one wants to lose their $400,000/yr earnings and pensions by giving a shit about their fellow countrymen. Justification "as long as I get paid and it is just the guilty..."

To answer question 2- I think Ukraine, ebola, and whatever the scare of the day drew the A.D.D. crowd away from their moral outrage.

"For now, know that every border you cross, every purchase you make, every call you dial, every cell phone tower you pass, friend you keep, article you write, site you visit, subject line you type, and packet you route is in the hands of a system whose reach is unlimited, but whose safeguards are not."

DC bought off the masses.

Bookmarked for later, when I'm more awake.

Watching now and almost finished, what ever people think of Snowden, traitor, hero, the thing that everyone should agree on is that our government is out of control, the lies that came out of Clapper's mouth, Obama's, his press mouthpiece, the fact that things he released are now declassified so they could speak of it, is scary.

What Snowden did was what we all should be doing, grow a conscience, stand up and start to make it known we are tired of it, but most of us will stay quiet for fear of loosing our jobs, or worse. If enough people stood up, maybe we could get things to change.

What I found interesting is that Snowden bought into Obama's promise of hope and change which I think was the catalyst for what he did.

This.  Except screw fear.  More accurately, contemplate fear.  Everyone talks about "will not comply" because the other side hasn't added much "or else" yet.  It's easy to be a rebel, agitator, or whatever other flashy word you want to use when you aren't risking losing something.  Or everything.  But every one of us waving that "WNC banner" needs to look past the slogans and the sound bytes and the bumper sticker snippets of historical reference and really think about it.  When you know something is wrong, what will you risk to stand up for what is right?

Did you ever get the annual spam email about how the signers of the Declaration of Independence signed their own death warrants by putting quill to paper?  Really easy to read chain letter sort of thing, probably half-wrong about the details, but accurate about that one point.  Think about that.  Would you do it?  Put your name to something like that?  Now, it would be transmitted instantly and unstoppably, stored on government servers indefinitely.  Would you do it anyway, because it was right?  If you were part of the system, would you undermine your own office and coworkers, actively sabotaging their efforts, because you felt the work was morally wrong?  Half the people on this very site would call you a traitor and, when the flashbang set your curtains on fire at 3am, your dog was shot and your children were carted off by protective services, we'd read posts about you playing stupid games and winning stupid prizes.  What about less dramatic but just as devastating?  You could get fired, or your taxes could be screwed, or you could be fined for any number of "mistakes" you didn't know you made in your business paperwork.  You might suddenly find yourself to victim of identity theft, and your credit ruined.  Your kids might not get accepted into certain schools, or might start getting assigned risky duties if they're in the service.  Would you do it anyway?

Scary thoughts, but it's better to contemplate them while it's only a mental exercise instead of when you have three seconds to choose.

If you're a reader, I'm part way through this book. Really great read.

Amazon link

Just finished it.



The first fucking thing I'd do if I were elected President in 2016 is to hold a press conference at 12:01am on inauguration day and announce a full and total amnesty for Snowden, should he choose to return.



Second thing I'd executive order some arrest warrants for Clapper and that other bald fuck, Keith Alexander, and try them for lying (treason, stupidity - whatever I could fucking get).  



Fuck that documentary pissed me off.



I literally have no faith left in America or Americans to do the right thing.  



Add me to the list, you NSA government fucks.  

The masses owe their continued survival to the government.



They have no intention of biting the hand that feeds.
 

You should probably calm down.

I'd vote for you even if you are Canadian.

Finally able to watch this last night. Pretty outrageous the abuse of power in our government. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

You like people that betray their nation?

Yep.  

ETA

"It will never happen here."

Yeah, its fucking happening thanks for noticing.  The smarts have fled and are renouncing, good luck in bizzaro land.  

You mean like these guys?

5 eyes, Canadian. You're one of them.

What does the govt have on me?  That I watch porn and have a foot fetish?  Have they looked through my cameras and seen my O face?  I don't give a flying fuck.  Fuck all you spying assholes!!!!  I know you're reading this, suck my pathetic little cock and I'll dip my nuts in keyboard cleaner so you bastards can get a taste of home

It's alright, I'm sure. After all, if you have nothing to hide, what are you afraid of?

Just finished watching this on HBO-GO.  Bumping it up so maybe some more of you will watch this.

I need to watch this. I tried streaming to my Chromecast and it sucked ass. Need to tinker with my wifi settings. I don't want to watch it in front of the PC.