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Posted: 3/11/2015 4:34:56 PM EDT
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Maybe you know, or read differently, but the engineers at Ford have stated otherwise in on the record publications. This came from people I know that personally had their hands on it before it was at the dealership. |
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Posted: 3/11/2015 4:42:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No Ford is using early 1980s technology. Turbos have been around a LONG time. Gasoline Turbos died in popularity by the late 1990s, due to fact they just don't last. They don't even require fully synthetic oil. Which is insane. The Employment Prevention Agency and Ford don't care about engine longevity, why would they. They won't last like the 5.0 will, which is great tried and tested engine. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Great synopsis. People don't understand how the Ford tech is changing the ball game right now. It is sad that the 302 will not benefit from a factory Ecoboost setup. The next generation Ecoboost will be the cat's meow from what I see. No Ford is using early 1980s technology. Turbos have been around a LONG time. Gasoline Turbos died in popularity by the late 1990s, due to fact they just don't last. They don't even require fully synthetic oil. Which is insane. The Employment Prevention Agency and Ford don't care about engine longevity, why would they. They won't last like the 5.0 will, which is great tried and tested engine.  This ain't your mullet wearing uncle's 5.0. |
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Posted: 3/11/2015 4:47:55 PM EDT
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In this thread we will see people who don't understand just how rapidly automotive technology has changed in the past decade and don't know what they are talking about.
EB is great if you aren't going to touch it but if you are going for a performance truck like me a bigger engine will yield more power when you throw aftermarket parts and tunings on it. |
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Posted: 3/11/2015 4:51:27 PM EDT
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Aluminum will shed paint. (Sorry, not covered under warranty) Window motors will last 3 years. Some major system will need a mid model upgrade. i have a 97 f-150. 240,000ish miles on her. i haven't had any paint issues. electric windows still work fine. never had any system breakdown. i've replaced tires,brakes,belts and fluids. good luck with your rice burner. |
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Posted: 3/11/2015 4:57:55 PM EDT
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I am just not 100% on the EB stuff yet. The Ford v8s are proven long term. Maybe a few years down the road but right now... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Great synopsis. People don't understand how the Ford tech is changing the ball game right now. It is sad that the 302 will not benefit from a factory Ecoboost setup. The next generation Ecoboost will be the cat's meow from what I see. I didn't know there was a 2.7. I wonder how it does towing? I just couldn't bring myself to own something with that little displacement...  That's my problem, I drove it, I felt it, just cant wrap my head around it  I am just not 100% on the EB stuff yet. The Ford v8s are proven long term. Maybe a few years down the road but right now... The Ecoboost is the oldest engine in Fords line up. It's been around since 2007 as the "Twin Force." Every single other engine Ford has is newer than the 3.5 EB. There is ZERO parts that are the same on the new 5.0 from the 4.6. The only thing that is the same is the bore spacing. Everything else is new... and newer than the 3.5EB. |
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Posted: 3/11/2015 4:59:15 PM EDT
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Any real world experience with gas milage on the eco boost vs. V8 with 3.73 gears? My v8 got about 15mpg more or less. My EB has averaged 18 something IIRC (I posted it in the last EcoBoost thread). |
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Posted: 3/11/2015 5:00:42 PM EDT
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I'm still going with the 5.0 just because I cant be the guinea pig in the first year of this motor, I need
an absolutely bulletproof vehicle and the 2.7 may very well be, but I'm gonna sit on the sidelines for one more vehicle before I . then drive to you're nearest GM dealer ASAP even a Dodge would be better |
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Posted: 3/11/2015 5:02:53 PM EDT
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I'm still going with the 5.0 just because I cant be the guinea pig in the first year of this motor, I need an absolutely bulletproof vehicle and the 2.7 may very well be, but I'm gonna sit on the sidelines for one more vehicle before I . then drive to you're nearest GM dealer ASAP even a Dodge would be better Lol my Chevy truck was a total POS. |
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Posted: 3/11/2015 5:04:41 PM EDT
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So I'm pulling the trigger on one of these babies and needed to formulate my own opinion on the engines after reading everyone else's. I'd like to hear as many thoughts/responses as possible from current/future owners or even those that have test driven these things and how their opinions jive with mine. I have a 2013 ecoboost and drive it like I stole it. I drove them both at the time (2012 5.0 vs 3.5TT) and then ordered mine they way I wanted it. My EB will outrun a lot of stuff that it shouldn't on the roads. I see no reason to get any engine instead of the EB and I would also say never buy an EB for the mileage because it's no fun to drive it that way. I'm impressed by the smaller EB but haven't driven one. 
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Posted: 3/11/2015 5:06:08 PM EDT
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I just can't spend $60k on a truck
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Posted: 3/11/2015 5:07:51 PM EDT
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There is no substitute for displacement! I can't see how you can cram all that fuel and air in a small lightweight motor and expect it to pull or last like a larger motor. Maybe I am stuck in the past but turbo charging a small 4 or 6 cylinder motor and ask it to pull a loaded trailer or just work like a real truck in general and your asking for problems in my opinion. Sure if you want a truck to be cool or pull a small trailer or dump runs every other weekend fine it may work for you. Good luck on your purchase I truly hope it works out for you and please keep us informed.
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Posted: 3/11/2015 5:10:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/11/2015 5:15:59 PM EDT
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I just can't spend $60k on a truck Yes. They are impressive but they cost too much. I use a my pickup trucks to do work. 60k is too much money for something I am going to beat around in. They make a perfect rich guys grocery getter though. |
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Posted: 3/11/2015 5:21:19 PM EDT
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Is that 2.7 an inline, or a V engine? V-6. That engine really needs a new improved Ranger wrapped around it. |
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Posted: 3/11/2015 5:22:07 PM EDT
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There is no substitute for displacement! I can't see how you can cram all that fuel and air in a small lightweight motor and expect it to pull or last like a larger motor. Maybe I am stuck in the past but turbo charging a small 4 or 6 cylinder motor and ask it to pull a loaded trailer or just work like a real truck in general and your asking for problems in my opinion. Sure if you want a truck to be cool or pull a small trailer or dump runs every other weekend fine it may work for you. Good luck on your purchase I truly hope it works out for you and please keep us informed.
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Posted: 3/11/2015 5:22:48 PM EDT
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V-6. That engine really needs a new improved Ranger wrapped around it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is that 2.7 an inline, or a V engine? V-6. That engine really needs a new improved Ranger wrapped around it. OMG a ranger with a 3.5 or 2.7 would be awesome. |
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Posted: 3/11/2015 5:25:45 PM EDT
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At work I get to play with a 13' 150 with the Eco boost and it is nothing short of awesome, it is a work truck used at a boat yard and we tow a lot of stuff, it is sweet
Then at the end of the day I have to hop back in my 05 with the 5.4 3v....at least I have 35" tires lol
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Posted: 3/11/2015 5:27:01 PM EDT
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There is no substitute for displacement! I can't see how you can cram all that fuel and air in a small lightweight motor and expect it to pull or last like a larger motor. Maybe I am stuck in the past but turbo charging a small 4 or 6 cylinder motor and ask it to pull a loaded trailer or just work like a real truck in general and your asking for problems in my opinion. Sure if you want a truck to be cool or pull a small trailer or dump runs every other weekend fine it may work for you. Good luck on your purchase I truly hope it works out for you and please keep us informed. You are correct. Gasoline turbos fell out of mainstream favour 15-20 years ago because they don't last. Changing gasoline turbos at 80,000-120,000 miles isn't fun or cheap. Unless the laws of physics have changed since then, they still won't last. Ford's PR on this was good though. They didn't want to call it a Turbo, so it's an "Eco-boost"........ |
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Posted: 3/11/2015 5:31:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I just can't spend $60k on a truck I bought my F150 3.5L EB crew cab brand new for $26k. |
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Posted: 3/11/2015 5:33:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes. They are impressive but they cost too much. I use a my pickup trucks to do work. 60k is too much money for something I am going to beat around in. They make a perfect rich guys grocery getter though. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I just can't spend $60k on a truck Yes. They are impressive but they cost too much. I use a my pickup trucks to do work. 60k is too much money for something I am going to beat around in. They make a perfect rich guys grocery getter though. They come in different trims and start at about $25k, only the fully loaded Platinum is $60k+. The one I priced out and plan to order next week is the loaded Platinum and is roughly $58k out the door including tax tag and title. |
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Posted: 3/11/2015 5:35:35 PM EDT
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I bought my F150 3.5L EB crew cab brand new for $26k. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I just can't spend $60k on a truck I bought my F150 3.5L EB crew cab brand new for $26k. Wrong, all new trucks sell for $60k, arfcom told me. |
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Posted: 3/11/2015 5:36:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: i have a 97 f-150. 240,000ish miles on her. i haven't had any paint issues. electric windows still work fine. never had any system breakdown. i've replaced tires,brakes,belts and fluids. good luck with your rice burner. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Aluminum will shed paint. (Sorry, not covered under warranty) Window motors will last 3 years. Some major system will need a mid model upgrade. i have a 97 f-150. 240,000ish miles on her. i haven't had any paint issues. electric windows still work fine. never had any system breakdown. i've replaced tires,brakes,belts and fluids. good luck with your rice burner. |
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Posted: 3/11/2015 5:37:37 PM EDT
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I've got the 5.0 in my 2012 4x4 SCrew. Having talked with others that had the EB, the fuel savings didn't justify the extra cost of the engine. Not to mention the insurance premium between them was about $60 more per year for the EB (more expensive to repair if in a collision?)
Plus, I like the rumble of an 8 cylinder. I replaced the muffler with a Magnaflow, dualed out the sides behind the rear tires with resonator tips. I'm consistently getting 15.7/19.9 city/highway... not too far off the EB's advertised figures. ETA: 3:55 rear end w/locker |
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Posted: 3/11/2015 5:41:02 PM EDT
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I'm really interested to see how these things last, they make me nervous getting this amount of power from 6 little cylinders.
It amazes me the my f150 with a 6.2 v8 can make the same power as a 3.5 v6 and get better mileage doing it. I hope they turn out to be everything ford advertises them as. |
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Posted: 3/11/2015 5:43:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm really interested to see how these things last, they make me nervous getting this amount of power from 6 little cylinders. It amazes me the my f150 with a 6.2 v8 can make the same power as a 3.5 v6 and get better mileage doing it. Or poor grammar? |
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Posted: 3/11/2015 5:43:27 PM EDT
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They come in different trims and start at about $25k, only the fully loaded Platinum is $60k+. The one I priced out and plan to order next week is the loaded Platinum and is roughly $58k out the door including tax tag and title. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I just can't spend $60k on a truck Yes. They are impressive but they cost too much. I use a my pickup trucks to do work. 60k is too much money for something I am going to beat around in. They make a perfect rich guys grocery getter though. They come in different trims and start at about $25k, only the fully loaded Platinum is $60k+. The one I priced out and plan to order next week is the loaded Platinum and is roughly $58k out the door including tax tag and title. If I could get a 4x4 EB with no extras for 25k then it would be worth it but they dont come that way. If you want 4X4 and EB then your in the 40k+ price range. At least thats the way it was a few years ago when I was looking at them. It may of changed now but finding a basic truck with EB was damn near impossible back then. |
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Posted: 3/11/2015 5:44:13 PM EDT
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This ain't your mullet wearing uncle's 5.0.
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Great synopsis. People don't understand how the Ford tech is changing the ball game right now. It is sad that the 302 will not benefit from a factory Ecoboost setup. The next generation Ecoboost will be the cat's meow from what I see. No Ford is using early 1980s technology. Turbos have been around a LONG time. Gasoline Turbos died in popularity by the late 1990s, due to fact they just don't last. They don't even require fully synthetic oil. Which is insane. The Employment Prevention Agency and Ford don't care about engine longevity, why would they. They won't last like the 5.0 will, which is great tried and tested engine. This ain't your mullet wearing uncle's 5.0.
QFT! Completely different engine design. I had a 2013 Mustang GT with a 5.0 in it. It was a stout motor, but I had issues out of it and the crappy Getrag transmission they put in it. I bought a new Chevy with the newest 5.3 (L83). 355hp/380lbft on 87. 380hp/416lbft on E85. For government motors to make that kind of power and still be utilizing a push-rod V8 is impressive IMO. |
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Posted: 3/11/2015 5:46:07 PM EDT
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If I could get a 4x4 EB with no extras for 25k then it would be worth it but they dont come that way. If you want 4X4 and EB then your in the 40k+ price range. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I just can't spend $60k on a truck Yes. They are impressive but they cost too much. I use a my pickup trucks to do work. 60k is too much money for something I am going to beat around in. They make a perfect rich guys grocery getter though. They come in different trims and start at about $25k, only the fully loaded Platinum is $60k+. The one I priced out and plan to order next week is the loaded Platinum and is roughly $58k out the door including tax tag and title. If I could get a 4x4 EB with no extras for 25k then it would be worth it but they dont come that way. If you want 4X4 and EB then your in the 40k+ price range. Eh, I don't know about that. I bought mine at the very end of the year in 2012 when all the new 2013 models were on the lot. It was one of 2 4x4 2012 models they had. The other was a SCrew with EB, XLT trim, same exact thing as my truck including bucket seats, locking rear end, and tow package. Mine was $29,XXX out the door, I think they EB was about a grand more. |
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Posted: 3/11/2015 5:46:55 PM EDT
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You are correct. Gasoline turbos fell out of mainstream favour 15-20 years ago because they don't last. Changing gasoline turbos at 80,000-120,000 miles isn't fun or cheap. Unless the laws of physics have changed since then, they still won't last. Ford's PR on this was good though. They didn't want to call it a Turbo, so it's an "Eco-boost"........ Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There is no substitute for displacement! I can't see how you can cram all that fuel and air in a small lightweight motor and expect it to pull or last like a larger motor. Maybe I am stuck in the past but turbo charging a small 4 or 6 cylinder motor and ask it to pull a loaded trailer or just work like a real truck in general and your asking for problems in my opinion. Sure if you want a truck to be cool or pull a small trailer or dump runs every other weekend fine it may work for you. Good luck on your purchase I truly hope it works out for you and please keep us informed. You are correct. Gasoline turbos fell out of mainstream favour 15-20 years ago because they don't last. Changing gasoline turbos at 80,000-120,000 miles isn't fun or cheap. Unless the laws of physics have changed since then, they still won't last. Ford's PR on this was good though. They didn't want to call it a Turbo, so it's an "Eco-boost"........ VW never stopped using turbos and they make excellent motors. Yes, a turbo is a wear item and will need a rebuild eventually. If you don't beat on it constantly lets say your 120k estimate is true than after 120k miles (12 years for me at least) I can spend $600 and get my turbo rebuilt and keep getting good performance and gas milage. |
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Posted: 3/11/2015 5:49:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If I could get a 4x4 EB with no extras for 25k then it would be worth it but they dont come that way. If you want 4X4 and EB then your in the 40k+ price range. At least thats the way it was a few years ago when I was looking at them. It may of changed now but finding a basic truck with EB was damn near impossible back then. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I just can't spend $60k on a truck Yes. They are impressive but they cost too much. I use a my pickup trucks to do work. 60k is too much money for something I am going to beat around in. They make a perfect rich guys grocery getter though. They come in different trims and start at about $25k, only the fully loaded Platinum is $60k+. The one I priced out and plan to order next week is the loaded Platinum and is roughly $58k out the door including tax tag and title. If I could get a 4x4 EB with no extras for 25k then it would be worth it but they dont come that way. If you want 4X4 and EB then your in the 40k+ price range. At least thats the way it was a few years ago when I was looking at them. It may of changed now but finding a basic truck with EB was damn near impossible back then. You can get a 4x4 3.6L EB for $30k, but that's the basic XL. That's the X Plan price I got. But X is roughly invoice, so if you can negotiate, it's definitely possible. |
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Posted: 3/11/2015 5:49:53 PM EDT
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No Ford is using early 1980s technology. Turbos have been around a LONG time. Gasoline Turbos died in popularity by the late 1990s, due to fact they just don't last. They don't even require fully synthetic oil. Which is insane. The Employment Prevention Agency and Ford don't care about engine longevity, why would they. They won't last like the 5.0 will, which is great tried and tested engine. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Great synopsis. People don't understand how the Ford tech is changing the ball game right now. It is sad that the 302 will not benefit from a factory Ecoboost setup. The next generation Ecoboost will be the cat's meow from what I see. No Ford is using early 1980s technology. Turbos have been around a LONG time. Gasoline Turbos died in popularity by the late 1990s, due to fact they just don't last. They don't even require fully synthetic oil. Which is insane. The Employment Prevention Agency and Ford don't care about engine longevity, why would they. They won't last like the 5.0 will, which is great tried and tested engine. DI has been around a long time but only recently put into widespread applications though there were some exceptions over the years. Ford is definitely not the first, but as technology improves and with tighter restrictions....smaller displacement T/DI motors will increasingly be the future. |
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Posted: 3/11/2015 5:52:30 PM EDT
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You are correct. Gasoline turbos fell out of mainstream favour 15-20 years ago because they don't last. Changing gasoline turbos at 80,000-120,000 miles isn't fun or cheap. Unless the laws of physics have changed since then, they still won't last. Ford's PR on this was good though. They didn't want to call it a Turbo, so it's an "Eco-boost"........ Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There is no substitute for displacement! I can't see how you can cram all that fuel and air in a small lightweight motor and expect it to pull or last like a larger motor. Maybe I am stuck in the past but turbo charging a small 4 or 6 cylinder motor and ask it to pull a loaded trailer or just work like a real truck in general and your asking for problems in my opinion. Sure if you want a truck to be cool or pull a small trailer or dump runs every other weekend fine it may work for you. Good luck on your purchase I truly hope it works out for you and please keep us informed. You are correct. Gasoline turbos fell out of mainstream favour 15-20 years ago because they don't last. Changing gasoline turbos at 80,000-120,000 miles isn't fun or cheap. Unless the laws of physics have changed since then, they still won't last. Ford's PR on this was good though. They didn't want to call it a Turbo, so it's an "Eco-boost"........ _lol_, ok...... 127,000 miles on my turbo car. No issues. Hell, the paint isn't even falling off of the Aluminum body panels (*gasp*) and its 10 years old. |
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Posted: 3/11/2015 5:59:31 PM EDT
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You are correct. Gasoline turbos fell out of mainstream favour 15-20 years ago because they don't last. Changing gasoline turbos at 80,000-120,000 miles isn't fun or cheap. Unless the laws of physics have changed since then, they still won't last. Ford's PR on this was good though. They didn't want to call it a Turbo, so it's an "Eco-boost"........ Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There is no substitute for displacement! I can't see how you can cram all that fuel and air in a small lightweight motor and expect it to pull or last like a larger motor. Maybe I am stuck in the past but turbo charging a small 4 or 6 cylinder motor and ask it to pull a loaded trailer or just work like a real truck in general and your asking for problems in my opinion. Sure if you want a truck to be cool or pull a small trailer or dump runs every other weekend fine it may work for you. Good luck on your purchase I truly hope it works out for you and please keep us informed. You are correct. Gasoline turbos fell out of mainstream favour 15-20 years ago because they don't last. Changing gasoline turbos at 80,000-120,000 miles isn't fun or cheap. Unless the laws of physics have changed since then, they still won't last. Ford's PR on this was good though. They didn't want to call it a Turbo, so it's an "Eco-boost"........ There has been more technological advancement in the car industry in the last 20 years than every year prior. A turbo engine today is far superior to anything built in the 70's or 80's. |
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Posted: 3/11/2015 6:06:38 PM EDT
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Who told you that the 3.5 is faster from 0-60 than Chevy's 6.2? I can tell you from first-hand experience, in the real world, that that is 100% false.
The 3.5 is better than I expected to be, but I still wouldn't buy one. And their mileage is not as good as Ford claims it to be... |
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Posted: 3/11/2015 6:18:11 PM EDT
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I've got a 2014 5.0 4x4 w/ the 3.73 rear end, and it's a rocket ship compared to the older generation or the F250 I was coming out of. I've driven the EB and it's a torque monster compared to 5.0, but I'm a fan of N/A motors over turbo'ed, and I like the sound.
I've got 15k on mine, without a single issue. Great truck. |
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Posted: 3/11/2015 6:22:35 PM EDT
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I've got a 2014 5.0 4x4 w/ the 3.73 rear end, and it's a rocket ship compared to the older generation or the F250 I was coming out of. I've driven the EB and it's a torque monster compared to 5.0, but I'm a fan of N/A motors over turbo'ed, and I like the sound. I've got 15k on mine, without a single issue. Great truck. Guesses on gas milage in town and highway? I'm really torn between the V8 and the EB. Planning on 4x4 w/ 3.73. |
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Posted: 3/11/2015 6:23:32 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/11/2015 6:24:17 PM EDT
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I have been eying the ecoboost trucks but for the price I'd rather just get an F250 to replace my current diesel.
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Posted: 3/11/2015 6:24:48 PM EDT
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You are correct. Gasoline turbos fell out of mainstream favour 15-20 years ago because they don't last. Changing gasoline turbos at 80,000-120,000 miles isn't fun or cheap. Unless the laws of physics have changed since then, they still won't last. Ford's PR on this was good though. They didn't want to call it a Turbo, so it's an "Eco-boost"........ Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There is no substitute for displacement! I can't see how you can cram all that fuel and air in a small lightweight motor and expect it to pull or last like a larger motor. Maybe I am stuck in the past but turbo charging a small 4 or 6 cylinder motor and ask it to pull a loaded trailer or just work like a real truck in general and your asking for problems in my opinion. Sure if you want a truck to be cool or pull a small trailer or dump runs every other weekend fine it may work for you. Good luck on your purchase I truly hope it works out for you and please keep us informed. You are correct. Gasoline turbos fell out of mainstream favour 15-20 years ago because they don't last. Changing gasoline turbos at 80,000-120,000 miles isn't fun or cheap. Unless the laws of physics have changed since then, they still won't last. Ford's PR on this was good though. They didn't want to call it a Turbo, so it's an "Eco-boost"........ You are aware that you need to change both the oil in the engine and the air filter right? If you dont change those things then yes, you may have problems with your turbo. Also, dont turn the vehicle off when the turbo has just been whipped like a race horse. Give it a minute to cool down a bit before turning off the vehicle. |
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Posted: 3/11/2015 6:25:56 PM EDT
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You are correct. Gasoline turbos fell out of mainstream favour 15-20 years ago because they don't last. Changing gasoline turbos at 80,000-120,000 miles isn't fun or cheap. Unless the laws of physics have changed since then, they still won't last. Ford's PR on this was good though. They didn't want to call it a Turbo, so it's an "Eco-boost"........ Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There is no substitute for displacement! I can't see how you can cram all that fuel and air in a small lightweight motor and expect it to pull or last like a larger motor. Maybe I am stuck in the past but turbo charging a small 4 or 6 cylinder motor and ask it to pull a loaded trailer or just work like a real truck in general and your asking for problems in my opinion. Sure if you want a truck to be cool or pull a small trailer or dump runs every other weekend fine it may work for you. Good luck on your purchase I truly hope it works out for you and please keep us informed. You are correct. Gasoline turbos fell out of mainstream favour 15-20 years ago because they don't last. Changing gasoline turbos at 80,000-120,000 miles isn't fun or cheap. Unless the laws of physics have changed since then, they still won't last. Ford's PR on this was good though. They didn't want to call it a Turbo, so it's an "Eco-boost"........ 
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Posted: 3/11/2015 6:28:13 PM EDT
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Guesses on gas milage in town and highway? I'm really torn between the V8 and the EB. Planning on 4x4 w/ 3.73. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've got a 2014 5.0 4x4 w/ the 3.73 rear end, and it's a rocket ship compared to the older generation or the F250 I was coming out of. I've driven the EB and it's a torque monster compared to 5.0, but I'm a fan of N/A motors over turbo'ed, and I like the sound. I've got 15k on mine, without a single issue. Great truck. Guesses on gas milage in town and highway? I'm really torn between the V8 and the EB. Planning on 4x4 w/ 3.73. 5.0 with 3:55 here. I see high 15's and high 19's. With 3:73's, probably closer to low 15's and high 18's. I use 100% gasoline and not E10 fuel though, so that might make a difference depending on your locale. Driving habits of course factor as well. |
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Posted: 3/11/2015 6:34:10 PM EDT
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Guesses on gas milage in town and highway? I'm really torn between the V8 and the EB. Planning on 4x4 w/ 3.73. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've got a 2014 5.0 4x4 w/ the 3.73 rear end, and it's a rocket ship compared to the older generation or the F250 I was coming out of. I've driven the EB and it's a torque monster compared to 5.0, but I'm a fan of N/A motors over turbo'ed, and I like the sound. I've got 15k on mine, without a single issue. Great truck. Guesses on gas milage in town and highway? I'm really torn between the V8 and the EB. Planning on 4x4 w/ 3.73. Driving my EB hard the lowest I can get to on the mpg is 16.4 mpg. I can get upper 22's on the interstate with the cruise set about 75mph. 3.55's 4x4 crew cab. |
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Posted: 3/11/2015 6:36:04 PM EDT
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It's insane man, how they can squeeze that kind of grunt out of a tiny V6 and yet put it in a truck application, even commercial use, then make it the standard motor in any 4x4 screw configuration is just mind boggling, you have to drive it to wrap your head around it, if it turns out to be bulletproof and trouble free long term under hard use, the bar will have been raised, and I'm talking automotive engine technology as a whole. I'm a little nervous. As costs have continued to climb we've slowly downsized our fleet of service pickups from 4 door dually pickups to 1/2 tons with v6 engines. I lost 2 v6 dodge engines this year with less than 65k on the clock and 2 of my ecoboosts are burning a bit of oil at 40k. I've got 4 pentastars and 4 ecoboosts. I'm not sure i'll buy any more at this point. The rest of our fleet is in a holding pattern until we see what the longevity of those is. I can't say the larger engines are much better. I've got several hemi's and 6.0 gas engines that have never seen 10 mpg in their life just from carrying a bit of weight in tools and whatnot while my ecoboosts have never been over 14 and my pentastars have never seen 13 |
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Posted: 3/11/2015 6:40:25 PM EDT
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Who told you that the 3.5 is faster from 0-60 than Chevy's 6.2? I can tell you from first-hand experience, in the real world, that that is 100% false. The 3.5 is better than I expected to be, but I still wouldn't buy one. And their mileage is not as good as Ford claims it to be... There's several acceleration tests on youtube etc that pit the 3.5 EB agains the new chevy 6.2 with 8spd, the EB is a tick faster to 60 but the 6.2 catches and passes it in the quarter mile for a higher trap speed and lower ET, as expected. |
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Posted: 3/11/2015 6:43:12 PM EDT
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I'm a little nervous. As costs have continued to climb we've slowly downsized our fleet of service pickups from 4 door dually pickups to 1/2 tons with v6 engines. I lost 2 v6 dodge engines this year with less than 65k on the clock and 2 of my ecoboosts are burning a bit of oil at 40k. I've got 4 pentastars and 4 ecoboosts. I'm not sure i'll buy any more at this point. The rest of our fleet is in a holding pattern until we see what the longevity of those is. I can't say the larger engines are much better. I've got several hemi's and 6.0 gas engines that have never seen 10 mpg in their life just from carrying a bit of weight in tools and whatnot but my ecoboosts have never been over 14 and my pentastars have never seen 13 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's insane man, how they can squeeze that kind of grunt out of a tiny V6 and yet put it in a truck application, even commercial use, then make it the standard motor in any 4x4 screw configuration is just mind boggling, you have to drive it to wrap your head around it, if it turns out to be bulletproof and trouble free long term under hard use, the bar will have been raised, and I'm talking automotive engine technology as a whole. I'm a little nervous. As costs have continued to climb we've slowly downsized our fleet of service pickups from 4 door dually pickups to 1/2 tons with v6 engines. I lost 2 v6 dodge engines this year with less than 65k on the clock and 2 of my ecoboosts are burning a bit of oil at 40k. I've got 4 pentastars and 4 ecoboosts. I'm not sure i'll buy any more at this point. The rest of our fleet is in a holding pattern until we see what the longevity of those is. I can't say the larger engines are much better. I've got several hemi's and 6.0 gas engines that have never seen 10 mpg in their life just from carrying a bit of weight in tools and whatnot but my ecoboosts have never been over 14 and my pentastars have never seen 13 You cant be surprised with the fuel bills though on the big engines. Buy a big horse, expect a big feed bill. 
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Posted: 3/11/2015 6:43:26 PM EDT
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I'm a little nervous. As costs have continued to climb we've slowly downsized our fleet of service pickups from 4 door dually pickups to 1/2 tons with v6 engines. I lost 2 v6 dodge engines this year with less than 65k on the clock and 2 of my ecoboosts are burning a bit of oil at 40k. I've got 4 pentastars and 4 ecoboosts. I'm not sure i'll buy any more at this point. The rest of our fleet is in a holding pattern until we see what the longevity of those is. I can't say the larger engines are much better. I've got several hemi's and 6.0 gas engines that have never seen 10 mpg in their life just from carrying a bit of weight in tools and whatnot but my ecoboosts have never been over 14 and my pentastars have never seen 13 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's insane man, how they can squeeze that kind of grunt out of a tiny V6 and yet put it in a truck application, even commercial use, then make it the standard motor in any 4x4 screw configuration is just mind boggling, you have to drive it to wrap your head around it, if it turns out to be bulletproof and trouble free long term under hard use, the bar will have been raised, and I'm talking automotive engine technology as a whole. I'm a little nervous. As costs have continued to climb we've slowly downsized our fleet of service pickups from 4 door dually pickups to 1/2 tons with v6 engines. I lost 2 v6 dodge engines this year with less than 65k on the clock and 2 of my ecoboosts are burning a bit of oil at 40k. I've got 4 pentastars and 4 ecoboosts. I'm not sure i'll buy any more at this point. The rest of our fleet is in a holding pattern until we see what the longevity of those is. I can't say the larger engines are much better. I've got several hemi's and 6.0 gas engines that have never seen 10 mpg in their life just from carrying a bit of weight in tools and whatnot but my ecoboosts have never been over 14 and my pentastars have never seen 13 From what I've read the oil consumption is normal up to a certain percentage which is small, and is attributed to blow by. |
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Posted: 3/11/2015 6:47:34 PM EDT
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From what I've read the oil consumption is normal up to a certain percentage which is small, and is attributed to blow by. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's insane man, how they can squeeze that kind of grunt out of a tiny V6 and yet put it in a truck application, even commercial use, then make it the standard motor in any 4x4 screw configuration is just mind boggling, you have to drive it to wrap your head around it, if it turns out to be bulletproof and trouble free long term under hard use, the bar will have been raised, and I'm talking automotive engine technology as a whole. I'm a little nervous. As costs have continued to climb we've slowly downsized our fleet of service pickups from 4 door dually pickups to 1/2 tons with v6 engines. I lost 2 v6 dodge engines this year with less than 65k on the clock and 2 of my ecoboosts are burning a bit of oil at 40k. I've got 4 pentastars and 4 ecoboosts. I'm not sure i'll buy any more at this point. The rest of our fleet is in a holding pattern until we see what the longevity of those is. I can't say the larger engines are much better. I've got several hemi's and 6.0 gas engines that have never seen 10 mpg in their life just from carrying a bit of weight in tools and whatnot but my ecoboosts have never been over 14 and my pentastars have never seen 13 From what I've read the oil consumption is normal up to a certain percentage which is small, and is attributed to blow by. According to all the manufacturers 1 quart per oil change is okay but when I buy something that doesn't use oil then starts to use oil I get nervous. Could be nothing. But... In all my years of getting that reasoning I've never had one that didn't get significantly worse within 80k miles. We have enough of a load on them the consumption always seems to increase. Time will tell though. |
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Posted: 3/11/2015 6:49:11 PM EDT
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You cant be surprised with the fuel bills though on the big engines. Buy a big horse, expect a big feed bill. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's insane man, how they can squeeze that kind of grunt out of a tiny V6 and yet put it in a truck application, even commercial use, then make it the standard motor in any 4x4 screw configuration is just mind boggling, you have to drive it to wrap your head around it, if it turns out to be bulletproof and trouble free long term under hard use, the bar will have been raised, and I'm talking automotive engine technology as a whole. I'm a little nervous. As costs have continued to climb we've slowly downsized our fleet of service pickups from 4 door dually pickups to 1/2 tons with v6 engines. I lost 2 v6 dodge engines this year with less than 65k on the clock and 2 of my ecoboosts are burning a bit of oil at 40k. I've got 4 pentastars and 4 ecoboosts. I'm not sure i'll buy any more at this point. The rest of our fleet is in a holding pattern until we see what the longevity of those is. I can't say the larger engines are much better. I've got several hemi's and 6.0 gas engines that have never seen 10 mpg in their life just from carrying a bit of weight in tools and whatnot but my ecoboosts have never been over 14 and my pentastars have never seen 13 You cant be surprised with the fuel bills though on the big engines. Buy a big horse, expect a big feed bill. I hear ya. I grew up in a household with 4 chevy 454's but it's tough to operate when you got guys not even pulling trailers that average 7 or 8 mpg. |
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Posted: 3/11/2015 6:51:08 PM EDT
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I wish you guys would just buy all the EBs and drive down the price of diesel offerings.
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Posted: 3/11/2015 6:54:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are aware that you need to change both the oil in the engine and the air filter right? If you dont change those things then yes, you may have problems with your turbo. Also, dont turn the vehicle off when the turbo has just been whipped like a race horse. Give it a minute to cool down a bit before turning off the vehicle. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: There is no substitute for displacement! I can't see how you can cram all that fuel and air in a small lightweight motor and expect it to pull or last like a larger motor. Maybe I am stuck in the past but turbo charging a small 4 or 6 cylinder motor and ask it to pull a loaded trailer or just work like a real truck in general and your asking for problems in my opinion. Sure if you want a truck to be cool or pull a small trailer or dump runs every other weekend fine it may work for you. Good luck on your purchase I truly hope it works out for you and please keep us informed. You are correct. Gasoline turbos fell out of mainstream favour 15-20 years ago because they don't last. Changing gasoline turbos at 80,000-120,000 miles isn't fun or cheap. Unless the laws of physics have changed since then, they still won't last. Ford's PR on this was good though. They didn't want to call it a Turbo, so it's an "Eco-boost"........ You are aware that you need to change both the oil in the engine and the air filter right? If you dont change those things then yes, you may have problems with your turbo. Also, dont turn the vehicle off when the turbo has just been whipped like a race horse. Give it a minute to cool down a bit before turning off the vehicle. |
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