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Posted: 3/1/2015 3:39:02 PM EDT
I was lucky enough to have a guy send me some Level IIIA riot shield windows to shoot, and since I had shot subsonic 300blk into a piece of old bullet-resistant glass awhile back and it managed to slip through I figured why not put this piece in front of the ballistic gel and see if the round would still be lethal after perforating the window.
 As it turns out, not very lethal lol. This is a brand new Level IIIA window, not some old piece of crap that came out of a gas station years and years ago that had an unknown rating. Evidently that makes a difference  .I am prepared for all the talk about supersonic 300blk, which seems to be instantly where 300blk fans go when you bring up the shortcomings of subsonic 300blk. And no I don't place some great value on being able to shoot through riot shield windows I am simply pointing out that subsonic 300blk is not just a quiet version of a rifle round. Phone user link: http://youtu.be/8GMZDFRnX4M
Keep in mind the entirety of YouTube (or the Internet for that matter) isn't as gun savvy as arfcom so sometimes I like to make videos that are eye opening to the masses even if they are obvious to arfcom. |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 3:45:53 PM EDT
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Awesome video dude!
Have you shot Level IIIA soft armor or helmet with a subsonic 300blk? |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 3:45:55 PM EDT
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yeah,but what about supersonic?!!!!!
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Posted: 3/1/2015 3:48:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Awesome video dude! Have you shot Level IIIA soft armor or helmet with a subsonic 300blk? Thanks! |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 3:48:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: yeah,but what about supersonic?!!!!! |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 3:50:51 PM EDT
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I detect a certain level of butthurt in both your post and the video.
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Posted: 3/1/2015 3:56:32 PM EDT
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I am a fan of 300 Blk. Mine is my go to deer rifle. That being said, doesn't surprise it that it failed to penetrate. Subs are really meant for close range quiet work. Not penetrating armor. You want to penetrate armor or kill a deer, load in some supers.
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Posted: 3/1/2015 3:59:28 PM EDT
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So the glass did what it is supposed to do ?
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Posted: 3/1/2015 4:03:31 PM EDT
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Have you tried tape over the mic hold when it's windy?
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Posted: 3/1/2015 4:04:31 PM EDT
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I like your videos, but I am still amazed at how you started this by trying to "prove" how horrible 300blk subsonic is and it kept surprising you and yet you finally got something it "failed" at and yet that makes it completely useless?
Not sure exactly how trying to do so something it was not designed to do makes it a failing at other things that it can do well. I have found subsonic great for hunting. I do not use subsonic 300 blk to try to defeat armor but that certainly does not make it useless. Anyway keep up the videos. I look forward to the one you do showing how useless it is a anything but being quite, when it fails to penetrate 3/4 cold roll steel |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 4:12:12 PM EDT
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Lol....video was retarded, not much point when your obviously biased. So armor that is supposed to protect against something did it's job and yet it's the rounds fault???
Try shooting a subsonic .308 at it (do they even make such a round? ) and see what happens, then report back on how it's a crap round as well.
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Posted: 3/1/2015 4:14:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I detect a certain level of butthurt in both your post and the video. |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 4:14:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Have you tried tape over the mic hold when it's windy? |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 4:17:04 PM EDT
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Honest suggestion: remove the petty comments and personal bias and just present the facts. It really cheapens what is a high-quality video that could serve to be helpful/informative based purely on the facts it portrays. Facts = general respect from the community, obvious axe to grind = not so much.
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Posted: 3/1/2015 4:18:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I like your videos, but I am still amazed at how you started this by trying to "prove" how horrible 300blk subsonic is and it kept surprising you and yet you finally got something it "failed" at and yet that makes it completely useless? Not sure exactly how trying to do so something it was not designed to do makes it a failing at other things that it can do well. I have found subsonic great for hunting. I do not use subsonic 300 blk to try to defeat armor but that certainly does not make it useless. Anyway keep up the videos. I look forward to the one you do showing how useless it is a anything but being quite, when it fails to penetrate 3/4 cold roll steel If I tried to use it for something it wasn't designed for, what was it designed for? Short of AP ammo I don't see how you could say anything was "designed" to go through this window. My point was that it's a rifle round that in a lot of cases performs worse than a pistol. And that is something I see as useless. It can't even penetrate 1/8 A36 btw lol
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Posted: 3/1/2015 4:19:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol....video was retarded, not much point when your obviously biased. So armor that is supposed to protect against something did it's job and yet it's the rounds fault??? Try shooting a subsonic .308 at it (do they even make such a round? ) and see what happens, then report back on how it's a crap round as well.Subsonic .308 would be crap, subsonic rifles are fucking stupid. This one couldn't even knock over a piece of free standing plastic lol |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 4:20:03 PM EDT
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Honest suggestion: remove the petty comments and personal bias and just present the facts. It really cheapens what is a high-quality video that could serve to be helpful/informative based purely on the facts it portrays. Facts = general respect from the community, obvious axe to grind = not so much. +1, it will make for a more credible experiment. |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 4:21:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Honest suggestion: remove the petty comments and personal bias and just present the facts. It really cheapens what is a high-quality video that could serve to be helpful/informative based purely on the facts it portrays. Facts = general respect from the community, obvious axe to grind = not so much. This isn't my first subsonic 300blk video, I have already tried the pure fact based approach and got 1000 comments about supers and 7.62x39 etc, any comments I made were in preparation for the expected inbound derp. |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 4:24:27 PM EDT
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Goddamn, now the fuckers breaking into my house have riot shields?
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Posted: 3/1/2015 4:29:30 PM EDT
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I never tried to prove how horrible it was, I said it carries the energy of a pistol and the sectional density has limited applications where it is a benefit. Usually in soft tissue the section density leads to less tissue disruption and over penetration. If I tried to use it for something it wasn't designed for, what was it designed for? Short of AP ammo I don't see how you could say anything was "designed" to go through this window. My point was that it's a rifle round that in a lot of cases performs worse than a pistol. And that is something I see as useless. It can't even penetrate 1/8 A36 btw lol Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I like your videos, but I am still amazed at how you started this by trying to "prove" how horrible 300blk subsonic is and it kept surprising you and yet you finally got something it "failed" at and yet that makes it completely useless? Not sure exactly how trying to do so something it was not designed to do makes it a failing at other things that it can do well. I have found subsonic great for hunting. I do not use subsonic 300 blk to try to defeat armor but that certainly does not make it useless. Anyway keep up the videos. I look forward to the one you do showing how useless it is a anything but being quite, when it fails to penetrate 3/4 cold roll steel If I tried to use it for something it wasn't designed for, what was it designed for? Short of AP ammo I don't see how you could say anything was "designed" to go through this window. My point was that it's a rifle round that in a lot of cases performs worse than a pistol. And that is something I see as useless. It can't even penetrate 1/8 A36 btw lol Considering how often you contradict yourself, do you even know what you are doing? You sure are expelling a lot of energy and time over this, are you sure you aren't a closet .300 lover? |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 4:33:35 PM EDT
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Please point out the petty comments and personal bias I included. This isn't my first subsonic 300blk video, I have already tried the pure fact based approach and got 1000 comments about supers and 7.62x39 etc, any comments I made were in preparation for the expected inbound derp. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Honest suggestion: remove the petty comments and personal bias and just present the facts. It really cheapens what is a high-quality video that could serve to be helpful/informative based purely on the facts it portrays. Facts = general respect from the community, obvious axe to grind = not so much. This isn't my first subsonic 300blk video, I have already tried the pure fact based approach and got 1000 comments about supers and 7.62x39 etc, any comments I made were in preparation for the expected inbound derp. Show me a pistol that you can shoot suppressed and still spit out 220gr rounds in a close combat situation and still using the same mags, barrel, weapon system etc. start shooting 2300+fps rounds with an effective range of 3-400yds? Don't worry, I'll wait. |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 4:38:16 PM EDT
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]I never tried to prove how horrible it was, I said it carries the energy of a pistol and the sectional density has limited applications where it is a benefit. Usually in soft tissue the section density leads to less tissue disruption and over penetration. Quote HistoryQuoted:
]I never tried to prove how horrible it was, I said it carries the energy of a pistol and the sectional density has limited applications where it is a benefit. Usually in soft tissue the section density leads to less tissue disruption and over penetration. if you are going to be disingenuous and compare an expanding 9mm, 40 or .45 round to a 220smk subsonic then yes sir the pistol rounds will perform better, but if you were to do an honest comparison with an expanding 300 blk subsonic round you might find different results Quoted:
If I tried to use it for something it wasn't designed for, what was it designed for? Short of AP ammo I don't see how you could say anything was "designed" to go through this window. My point was that it's a rifle round that in a lot of cases performs worse than a pistol. And that is something I see as useless. well if you put a 9mm, 40 or 45 in a rifle package is it now a rifle round? Quoted:
It can't even penetrate 1/8 A36 btw lol Well 30/06 armor piercing won't pierce 3/4 cold rolled steel so it is useless. don't get me wrong I do like your videos. but you assessments are a little off in my opinion |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 4:39:06 PM EDT
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I wouldn't think that OTM would be great against barriers even at a higher velocity.
It is cool to see some testing on subs. We already have a pretty good idea about how .300 performs against barriers with supers: Link to .300 barrier info in Ammo FAQ |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 4:40:18 PM EDT
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also i would like to see the same test with a 7.5 inch 5.56.
seems like that would be a more fair comparison. |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 4:42:23 PM EDT
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The armor is rated for 9mm and 44mag not rifles. Subsonic .308 would be crap, subsonic rifles are fucking stupid. This one couldn't even knock over a piece of free standing plastic lol Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lol....video was retarded, not much point when your obviously biased. So armor that is supposed to protect against something did it's job and yet it's the rounds fault???
Try shooting a subsonic .308 at it (do they even make such a round? ) and see what happens, then report back on how it's a crap round as well.Subsonic .308 would be crap, subsonic rifles are fucking stupid. This one couldn't even knock over a piece of free standing plastic lol What exactly is a subsonic rifle? pretty sure if I throw any of my rifles they will be subsonic. I have found subsonic 300blk to be a very good hunting round when loaded with a properly designed bullet, and have even had good success with less then optimally designed bullets. |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 4:42:23 PM EDT
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Goddamn, now the fuckers breaking into my house have riot shields? Do you use subsonic ammo for HD? |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 4:49:48 PM EDT
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also i would like to see the same test with a 7.5 inch 5.56. seems like that would be a more fair comparison. I agree. 300BLK is predominately a SBR round, so the only comparisons that interest me are against other SBR configurations. |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 4:50:04 PM EDT
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I never tried to prove how horrible it was, I said it carries the energy of a pistol and the sectional density has limited applications where it is a benefit. Usually in soft tissue the section density leads to less tissue disruption and over penetration. If I tried to use it for something it wasn't designed for, what was it designed for? Short of AP ammo I don't see how you could say anything was "designed" to go through this window. My point was that it's a rifle round that in a lot of cases performs worse than a pistol. And that is something I see as useless. It can't even penetrate 1/8 A36 btw lol Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I like your videos, but I am still amazed at how you started this by trying to "prove" how horrible 300blk subsonic is and it kept surprising you and yet you finally got something it "failed" at and yet that makes it completely useless? Not sure exactly how trying to do so something it was not designed to do makes it a failing at other things that it can do well. I have found subsonic great for hunting. I do not use subsonic 300 blk to try to defeat armor but that certainly does not make it useless. Anyway keep up the videos. I look forward to the one you do showing how useless it is a anything but being quite, when it fails to penetrate 3/4 cold roll steel If I tried to use it for something it wasn't designed for, what was it designed for? Short of AP ammo I don't see how you could say anything was "designed" to go through this window. My point was that it's a rifle round that in a lot of cases performs worse than a pistol. And that is something I see as useless. It can't even penetrate 1/8 A36 btw lol It isn't useless, but like every other ammo/rifle, it has limited uses. It is very quiet and fun to shoot at the range. I would use it to hunt coyotes and small game at close range (I believe more than a few have used it for deer). But instead of it just being a fun toy with pistol ballistics, you change mags and get a kick ass SBR. I really don't understand the .300 BLK hate. |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 4:50:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Considering how often you contradict yourself, do you even know what you are doing? You sure are expelling a lot of energy and time over this, are you sure you aren't a closet .300 lover? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I like your videos, but I am still amazed at how you started this by trying to "prove" how horrible 300blk subsonic is and it kept surprising you and yet you finally got something it "failed" at and yet that makes it completely useless? Not sure exactly how trying to do so something it was not designed to do makes it a failing at other things that it can do well. I have found subsonic great for hunting. I do not use subsonic 300 blk to try to defeat armor but that certainly does not make it useless. Anyway keep up the videos. I look forward to the one you do showing how useless it is a anything but being quite, when it fails to penetrate 3/4 cold roll steel If I tried to use it for something it wasn't designed for, what was it designed for? Short of AP ammo I don't see how you could say anything was "designed" to go through this window. My point was that it's a rifle round that in a lot of cases performs worse than a pistol. And that is something I see as useless. It can't even penetrate 1/8 A36 btw lol Considering how often you contradict yourself, do you even know what you are doing? You sure are expelling a lot of energy and time over this, are you sure you aren't a closet .300 lover? |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 4:50:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Show me a pistol that you can shoot suppressed and still spit out 220gr rounds in a close combat situation and still using the same mags, barrel, weapon system etc. start shooting 2300+fps rounds with an effective range of 3-400yds? Don't worry, I'll wait. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Honest suggestion: remove the petty comments and personal bias and just present the facts. It really cheapens what is a high-quality video that could serve to be helpful/informative based purely on the facts it portrays. Facts = general respect from the community, obvious axe to grind = not so much. This isn't my first subsonic 300blk video, I have already tried the pure fact based approach and got 1000 comments about supers and 7.62x39 etc, any comments I made were in preparation for the expected inbound derp. Show me a pistol that you can shoot suppressed and still spit out 220gr rounds in a close combat situation and still using the same mags, barrel, weapon system etc. start shooting 2300+fps rounds with an effective range of 3-400yds? Don't worry, I'll wait. |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 4:51:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: if you are going to be disingenuous and compare an expanding 9mm, 40 or .45 round to a 220smk subsonic then yes sir the pistol rounds will perform better, but if you were to do an honest comparison with an expanding 300 blk subsonic round you might find different results well if you put a 9mm, 40 or 45 in a rifle package is it now a rifle round? Well 30/06 armor piercing won't pierce 3/4 cold rolled steel so it is useless. don't get me wrong I do like your videos. but you assessments are a little off in my opinion Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: ]I never tried to prove how horrible it was, I said it carries the energy of a pistol and the sectional density has limited applications where it is a benefit. Usually in soft tissue the section density leads to less tissue disruption and over penetration. if you are going to be disingenuous and compare an expanding 9mm, 40 or .45 round to a 220smk subsonic then yes sir the pistol rounds will perform better, but if you were to do an honest comparison with an expanding 300 blk subsonic round you might find different results Quoted: If I tried to use it for something it wasn't designed for, what was it designed for? Short of AP ammo I don't see how you could say anything was "designed" to go through this window. My point was that it's a rifle round that in a lot of cases performs worse than a pistol. And that is something I see as useless. well if you put a 9mm, 40 or 45 in a rifle package is it now a rifle round? Quoted: It can't even penetrate 1/8 A36 btw lol Well 30/06 armor piercing won't pierce 3/4 cold rolled steel so it is useless. don't get me wrong I do like your videos. but you assessments are a little off in my opinion |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 4:51:52 PM EDT
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Please point out the petty comments and personal bias I included. This isn't my first subsonic 300blk video, I have already tried the pure fact based approach and got 1000 comments about supers and 7.62x39 etc, any comments I made were in preparation for the expected inbound derp. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Honest suggestion: remove the petty comments and personal bias and just present the facts. It really cheapens what is a high-quality video that could serve to be helpful/informative based purely on the facts it portrays. Facts = general respect from the community, obvious axe to grind = not so much. This isn't my first subsonic 300blk video, I have already tried the pure fact based approach and got 1000 comments about supers and 7.62x39 etc, any comments I made were in preparation for the expected inbound derp. From the video: We’re going to take a shot with everyone’s favorite pistol-energy rifle Where the exit would be if subsonic 300blk wasn’t weak… Subsonic 300blk is good at being quiet and not much else… As always comments are welcome! Even though I know most of them will be about supersonic 300blk not subsonic… I'm not trying to hate on you, just giving some honest constructive criticism. These comments, as written, are petty, perhaps immature or even a bit passive-aggressive. (pick your adjective) Whatever you call them, they detract from the facts and bait people into the arguments seen here. Perhaps that's what you're after, which is fine. just offering my comments, though, since you said they're always welcome! 
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Posted: 3/1/2015 4:53:20 PM EDT
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I agree. 300BLK is predominately a SBR round, so the only comparisons that interest me are against other SBR configurations. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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also i would like to see the same test with a 7.5 inch 5.56. seems like that would be a more fair comparison. I agree. 300BLK is predominately a SBR round, so the only comparisons that interest me are against other SBR configurations. All subsonic ammo is going to be pretty weak sauce against armor/barriers. Although, some of the stuff guys are doing with .300 subs is impressive (killing deer). |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 4:53:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I own one don't I Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I like your videos, but I am still amazed at how you started this by trying to "prove" how horrible 300blk subsonic is and it kept surprising you and yet you finally got something it "failed" at and yet that makes it completely useless? Not sure exactly how trying to do so something it was not designed to do makes it a failing at other things that it can do well. I have found subsonic great for hunting. I do not use subsonic 300 blk to try to defeat armor but that certainly does not make it useless. Anyway keep up the videos. I look forward to the one you do showing how useless it is a anything but being quite, when it fails to penetrate 3/4 cold roll steel If I tried to use it for something it wasn't designed for, what was it designed for? Short of AP ammo I don't see how you could say anything was "designed" to go through this window. My point was that it's a rifle round that in a lot of cases performs worse than a pistol. And that is something I see as useless. It can't even penetrate 1/8 A36 btw lol Considering how often you contradict yourself, do you even know what you are doing? You sure are expelling a lot of energy and time over this, are you sure you aren't a closet .300 lover? damn with double speak like that you should run for office. |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 4:55:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: also i would like to see the same test with a 7.5 inch 5.56. seems like that would be a more fair comparison. If I trusted that this plate had some uncompromised room left on it I would do that, I don't think there is much left though. |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 4:55:33 PM EDT
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Please point out the petty comments and personal bias I included. This isn't my first subsonic 300blk video, I have already tried the pure fact based approach and got 1000 comments about supers and 7.62x39 etc, any comments I made were in preparation for the expected inbound derp. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Honest suggestion: remove the petty comments and personal bias and just present the facts. It really cheapens what is a high-quality video that could serve to be helpful/informative based purely on the facts it portrays. Facts = general respect from the community, obvious axe to grind = not so much. This isn't my first subsonic 300blk video, I have already tried the pure fact based approach and got 1000 comments about supers and 7.62x39 etc, any comments I made were in preparation for the expected inbound derp. "everyones favorite pistol energy rifle" "where it would have exited is subsonic .300blk wasn't weak" While both are true, they both reek of someone who has an axe to grind for whatever reason. You're going to get derp either way, that's what 90% youtube comments are. |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 4:59:12 PM EDT
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Show me a pistol that you can shoot suppressed and still spit out 220gr rounds in a close combat situation and still using the same mags, barrel, weapon system etc. start shooting 2300+fps rounds with an effective range of 3-400yds? Don't worry, I'll wait. 10, nooo maybe not.
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Posted: 3/1/2015 4:59:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What exactly is a subsonic rifle? pretty sure if I throw any of my rifles they will be subsonic. I have found subsonic 300blk to be a very good hunting round when loaded with a properly designed bullet, and have even had good success with less then optimally designed bullets. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Lol....video was retarded, not much point when your obviously biased. So armor that is supposed to protect against something did it's job and yet it's the rounds fault??? Try shooting a subsonic .308 at it (do they even make such a round? ) and see what happens, then report back on how it's a crap round as well.Subsonic .308 would be crap, subsonic rifles are fucking stupid. This one couldn't even knock over a piece of free standing plastic lol What exactly is a subsonic rifle? pretty sure if I throw any of my rifles they will be subsonic. I have found subsonic 300blk to be a very good hunting round when loaded with a properly designed bullet, and have even had good success with less then optimally designed bullets. I know a lot of people kill hogs and deer with subsonic 300blk, it's still not the best choice IMO. It's not like I'm over here telling people not to buy it or use it, I haven't sold mine and don't plan to. I just think that subsonic 300blk is a piss poor rifle round with very limited application. |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 5:01:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you use subsonic ammo for HD? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Goddamn, now the fuckers breaking into my house have riot shields? Do you use subsonic ammo for HD? |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 5:02:01 PM EDT
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Lol you got me, rifle rounds not rifles. Although a supersonic rifle would be a formidable weapon. I know a lot of people kill hogs and deer with subsonic 300blk, it's still not the best choice IMO. It's not like I'm over here telling people not to buy it or use it, I haven't sold mine and don't plan to. I just think that subsonic 300blk is a piss poor rifle round with very limited application. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lol....video was retarded, not much point when your obviously biased. So armor that is supposed to protect against something did it's job and yet it's the rounds fault???
Try shooting a subsonic .308 at it (do they even make such a round? ) and see what happens, then report back on how it's a crap round as well.Subsonic .308 would be crap, subsonic rifles are fucking stupid. This one couldn't even knock over a piece of free standing plastic lol What exactly is a subsonic rifle? pretty sure if I throw any of my rifles they will be subsonic. I have found subsonic 300blk to be a very good hunting round when loaded with a properly designed bullet, and have even had good success with less then optimally designed bullets. I know a lot of people kill hogs and deer with subsonic 300blk, it's still not the best choice IMO. It's not like I'm over here telling people not to buy it or use it, I haven't sold mine and don't plan to. I just think that subsonic 300blk is a piss poor rifle round with very limited application. You are right. Also, the fun part I mentioned earlier is subjective. People shouldn't buy these rifles, the ammo, or components to load it. 
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Posted: 3/1/2015 5:02:43 PM EDT
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Why would I be butthurt that subsonic 300blk is weak? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I detect a certain level of butthurt in both your post and the video. That's what I was wondering. |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 5:02:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It isn't useless, but like every other ammo/rifle, it has limited uses. It is very quiet and fun to shoot at the range. I would use it to hunt coyotes and small game at close range (I believe more than a few have used it for deer). But instead of it just being a fun toy with pistol ballistics, you change mags and get a kick ass SBR. I really don't understand the .300 BLK hate. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I like your videos, but I am still amazed at how you started this by trying to "prove" how horrible 300blk subsonic is and it kept surprising you and yet you finally got something it "failed" at and yet that makes it completely useless? Not sure exactly how trying to do so something it was not designed to do makes it a failing at other things that it can do well. I have found subsonic great for hunting. I do not use subsonic 300 blk to try to defeat armor but that certainly does not make it useless. Anyway keep up the videos. I look forward to the one you do showing how useless it is a anything but being quite, when it fails to penetrate 3/4 cold roll steel If I tried to use it for something it wasn't designed for, what was it designed for? Short of AP ammo I don't see how you could say anything was "designed" to go through this window. My point was that it's a rifle round that in a lot of cases performs worse than a pistol. And that is something I see as useless. It can't even penetrate 1/8 A36 btw lol It isn't useless, but like every other ammo/rifle, it has limited uses. It is very quiet and fun to shoot at the range. I would use it to hunt coyotes and small game at close range (I believe more than a few have used it for deer). But instead of it just being a fun toy with pistol ballistics, you change mags and get a kick ass SBR. I really don't understand the .300 BLK hate. And I also agree, the best thing about subsonic 300blk is that you can switch mags to supersonic 300blk LOL |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 5:03:57 PM EDT
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That is a prime example of why I keep saying that subsonic 300blk is not that great, 99% of the subsonic rounds loaded for it would be a terrible HD round. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Goddamn, now the fuckers breaking into my house have riot shields? Do you use subsonic ammo for HD? People use 12Ga birdshot, Taurus Judge .410 and .22lr for HD. You can't fix stupid. |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 5:05:53 PM EDT
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You're right. Useless was a poor choice of word. Limited application would be more accurate. And I also agree, the best thing about subsonic 300blk is that you can switch mags to supersonic 300blk LOL Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I like your videos, but I am still amazed at how you started this by trying to "prove" how horrible 300blk subsonic is and it kept surprising you and yet you finally got something it "failed" at and yet that makes it completely useless? Not sure exactly how trying to do so something it was not designed to do makes it a failing at other things that it can do well. I have found subsonic great for hunting. I do not use subsonic 300 blk to try to defeat armor but that certainly does not make it useless. Anyway keep up the videos. I look forward to the one you do showing how useless it is a anything but being quite, when it fails to penetrate 3/4 cold roll steel If I tried to use it for something it wasn't designed for, what was it designed for? Short of AP ammo I don't see how you could say anything was "designed" to go through this window. My point was that it's a rifle round that in a lot of cases performs worse than a pistol. And that is something I see as useless. It can't even penetrate 1/8 A36 btw lol It isn't useless, but like every other ammo/rifle, it has limited uses. It is very quiet and fun to shoot at the range. I would use it to hunt coyotes and small game at close range (I believe more than a few have used it for deer). But instead of it just being a fun toy with pistol ballistics, you change mags and get a kick ass SBR. I really don't understand the .300 BLK hate. And I also agree, the best thing about subsonic 300blk is that you can switch mags to supersonic 300blk LOL If you eliminate hunting and range shooting from usefulness, 99.99% of our guns are useless 99.999999999999999999999999999999% of the time. |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 5:07:00 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: From the video: We’re going to take a shot with everyone’s favorite pistol-energy rifle Where the exit would be if subsonic 300blk wasn’t weak… Subsonic 300blk is good at being quiet and not much else… As always comments are welcome! Even though I know most of them will be about supersonic 300blk not subsonic… I'm not trying to hate on you, just giving some honest constructive criticism. These comments, as written, are petty, perhaps immature or even a bit passive-aggressive. (pick your adjective) Whatever you call them, they detract from the facts and bait people into the arguments seen here. Perhaps that's what you're after, which is fine. just offering my comments, though, since you said they're always welcome! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Honest suggestion: remove the petty comments and personal bias and just present the facts. It really cheapens what is a high-quality video that could serve to be helpful/informative based purely on the facts it portrays. Facts = general respect from the community, obvious axe to grind = not so much. This isn't my first subsonic 300blk video, I have already tried the pure fact based approach and got 1000 comments about supers and 7.62x39 etc, any comments I made were in preparation for the expected inbound derp. From the video: We’re going to take a shot with everyone’s favorite pistol-energy rifle Where the exit would be if subsonic 300blk wasn’t weak… Subsonic 300blk is good at being quiet and not much else… As always comments are welcome! Even though I know most of them will be about supersonic 300blk not subsonic… I'm not trying to hate on you, just giving some honest constructive criticism. These comments, as written, are petty, perhaps immature or even a bit passive-aggressive. (pick your adjective) Whatever you call them, they detract from the facts and bait people into the arguments seen here. Perhaps that's what you're after, which is fine. just offering my comments, though, since you said they're always welcome! And to reply: The subsonic 300blk is the most popular rifle cartridge with pistol equivalent energy. Fact. The subsonic 300blk is weak compared to other rifle cartridges. Fact. Subsonic 300blk is good at being quiet, it is not good at tissue disruption, temporary wound cavity, expansion, fragmentation, hard barrier penetration. All things a rifle should be good at. Fact. Wait a week and go read the comments left on the YouTube video and count what % of them mention supersonic 300blk, and that too will be a fact. Sounds to me like I listed a bunch of facts that you misinterpreted as petty comments. |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 5:07:17 PM EDT
[#45]
I used to shit on .300 black too. Then Someone told me just how cheap and effective it can be with cast bullets.
the .300 makes alot of sense if you can cast and reload. It will shoot flatter subsonic then pistol cartridges from short barrels. And for game getting that is a good thing. |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 5:09:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: damn with double speak like that you should run for office. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I like your videos, but I am still amazed at how you started this by trying to "prove" how horrible 300blk subsonic is and it kept surprising you and yet you finally got something it "failed" at and yet that makes it completely useless? Not sure exactly how trying to do so something it was not designed to do makes it a failing at other things that it can do well. I have found subsonic great for hunting. I do not use subsonic 300 blk to try to defeat armor but that certainly does not make it useless. Anyway keep up the videos. I look forward to the one you do showing how useless it is a anything but being quite, when it fails to penetrate 3/4 cold roll steel If I tried to use it for something it wasn't designed for, what was it designed for? Short of AP ammo I don't see how you could say anything was "designed" to go through this window. My point was that it's a rifle round that in a lot of cases performs worse than a pistol. And that is something I see as useless. It can't even penetrate 1/8 A36 btw lol Considering how often you contradict yourself, do you even know what you are doing? You sure are expelling a lot of energy and time over this, are you sure you aren't a closet .300 lover? damn with double speak like that you should run for office. And now here we are |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 5:11:24 PM EDT
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Ahh yes, the supersonic comments. I was waiting for those lol Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Honest suggestion: remove the petty comments and personal bias and just present the facts. It really cheapens what is a high-quality video that could serve to be helpful/informative based purely on the facts it portrays. Facts = general respect from the community, obvious axe to grind = not so much. This isn't my first subsonic 300blk video, I have already tried the pure fact based approach and got 1000 comments about supers and 7.62x39 etc, any comments I made were in preparation for the expected inbound derp. Show me a pistol that you can shoot suppressed and still spit out 220gr rounds in a close combat situation and still using the same mags, barrel, weapon system etc. start shooting 2300+fps rounds with an effective range of 3-400yds? Don't worry, I'll wait. What the hell is your point? The beauty of the 300 blk platform is its versatility. Your harping over subsonic rounds makes you sound petty and ignorant. |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 5:12:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: People use 12Ga birdshot, Taurus Judge .410 and .22lr for HD. You can't fix stupid. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Goddamn, now the fuckers breaking into my house have riot shields? Do you use subsonic ammo for HD? People use 12Ga birdshot, Taurus Judge .410 and .22lr for HD. You can't fix stupid. |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 5:12:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I used to shit on .300 black too. Then Someone told me just how cheap and effective it can be with cast bullets. the .300 makes alot of sense if you can cast and reload. It will shoot flatter subsonic then pistol cartridges from short barrels. And for game getting that is a good thing. |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 5:14:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What the hell is your point? The beauty of the 300 blk platform is its versatility. Your harping over subsonic rounds makes you sound petty and ignorant. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Honest suggestion: remove the petty comments and personal bias and just present the facts. It really cheapens what is a high-quality video that could serve to be helpful/informative based purely on the facts it portrays. Facts = general respect from the community, obvious axe to grind = not so much. This isn't my first subsonic 300blk video, I have already tried the pure fact based approach and got 1000 comments about supers and 7.62x39 etc, any comments I made were in preparation for the expected inbound derp. Show me a pistol that you can shoot suppressed and still spit out 220gr rounds in a close combat situation and still using the same mags, barrel, weapon system etc. start shooting 2300+fps rounds with an effective range of 3-400yds? Don't worry, I'll wait. What the hell is your point? The beauty of the 300 blk platform is its versatility. Your harping over subsonic rounds makes you sound petty and ignorant. A lot of arfcom is very far removed from the idiot general gun shooting population. |
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