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Posted: 3/1/2015 5:07:38 PM EDT
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He didn't say that. His point is that you shouldn't be overly convinced of your own intellect. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The arrogance of man to think that he actually knows anything at all other than that he is wearing pants...is superbly astounding. So never at any point try? I hate posts like this. He didn't say that. His point is that you shouldn't be overly convinced of your own intellect. So...it's turtles? |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 5:09:01 PM EDT
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No, it means you didn't comprehend the article, or how science works, or both. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Does this mean that all the smarter-than-thou people who believed in the BB are actually stupid, easily-duped brain-dead morons who clutch desperately at whatever "truth" is handed down to them from On High by crazy people wearing funny hats? Because I want to party with THOSE guys!  Do you believe it is possible to fully comprehend and yet reject the conclusions you have come to? |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 5:12:59 PM EDT
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Everything else we have observed has a beginning and an end. It is likely that the universe also follows this behavior. but, what was before? |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 5:13:59 PM EDT
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The Universe is truly enormous, and yet it's only a part of the tree of Yggdrasil. The roots of Yggdrasil are unending and without limit, beyond all understanding, even the knowledge of the Allfather. Ginnungagap as the beginning of everything is a falsehood. shut up about that one eyed character will you? what has he done recently? how did he get so famous just for hanging around upside down? No, but I look outside right now I see a lot of frost,ice and snow. |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 5:15:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The beauty is they can't be proven wrong. Or right. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The arrogance of man to think that he actually knows anything at all other than that he is wearing pants...is superbly astounding. The beauty is they can't be proven wrong. Or right. Hahaha. Science is the one thing where it does demand proof. If anything, it's religion that can't be proven. |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 5:17:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This the most absolutely stunning example of irony to which I've ever been witness. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm still amazed that people can honestly think that complex things such as the earth and humans just appeared out of thin air  Believe what you want but to think that we didn't have a creator is willfully ignorant. . This the most absolutely stunning example of irony to which I've ever been witness. They are reveling in it. Yet ARFCOM prides itself on being smart and logical. Lol. |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 5:21:36 PM EDT
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Hahaha. Science is the one thing where it does demand proof. If anything, it's religion that can't be proven. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The arrogance of man to think that he actually knows anything at all other than that he is wearing pants...is superbly astounding. The beauty is they can't be proven wrong. Or right. Hahaha. Science is the one thing where it does demand proof. If anything, it's religion that can't be proven. You know far less about science than you think you do. |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 5:26:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hahaha. Science is the one thing where it does demand proof. If anything, it's religion that can't be proven. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The arrogance of man to think that he actually knows anything at all other than that he is wearing pants...is superbly astounding. The beauty is they can't be proven wrong. Or right. Hahaha. Science is the one thing where it does demand proof. If anything, it's religion that can't be proven.  |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 5:26:30 PM EDT
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What about all that void or space? And what's on the other side of it, far out man  . Seriously, the idea that the universe is 9 billion light years across is bedazzling.
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I never bought into the it all came from nothing " big bang" theory anyways. Way to much matter out there to have all came from nothing. You guys with your "Matter" crack me up. Matter is really the simple part of the problem. What about all that void or space? And what's on the other side of it, far out man . Seriously, the idea that the universe is 9 billion light years across is bedazzling.
The observable universe is about 93 billion light years across and 13.8 billion years old. |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 5:27:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sure thing, Sport. It is also just as "plausible" that the universe sits on the back of a giant tortoise. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: . It IS plausible the universe suddenly appeared from...nothing. . Sure thing, Sport. It is also just as "plausible" that the universe sits on the back of a giant tortoise. Ok. So if God created the Universe, who created God? ..... Oh, God always existed?  Please tell me how the Genesis is more believable than the Big Bang theory? You prove a negative. And when a prayer isn't answered, you reply with "oh, well that's just Gods's will." It's just like those dumbass Nostradamus people. Where if a prediction doesn't come true, they just say it wasn't proven wrong, but that it was avoided by some decision a person made. |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 5:31:18 PM EDT
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The observable universe is about 93 billion light years across and 13.8 billion years old. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I never bought into the it all came from nothing " big bang" theory anyways. Way to much matter out there to have all came from nothing. You guys with your "Matter" crack me up. Matter is really the simple part of the problem. What about all that void or space? And what's on the other side of it, far out man . Seriously, the idea that the universe is 9 billion light years across is bedazzling.
The observable universe is about 93 billion light years across and 13.8 billion years old. Excuse me but with the recent de-banging how is an age determination possible? |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 5:34:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You know far less about science than you think you do. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The arrogance of man to think that he actually knows anything at all other than that he is wearing pants...is superbly astounding. The beauty is they can't be proven wrong. Or right. Hahaha. Science is the one thing where it does demand proof. If anything, it's religion that can't be proven. You know far less about science than you think you do. Nice contribution.  Hurl insults when you have no facts to bear. |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 5:36:30 PM EDT
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Well I am not completely sure that there has been a de banging. Are you?
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Posted: 3/1/2015 5:36:47 PM EDT
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where God, Jehovah, tells Abraham, his family, followers not to worship any other gods, and he says he is the one true God that would mean that there other Gods he was in competition with right? If there are/were other Gods then was the universe a joint effort?
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Posted: 3/1/2015 5:37:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Excuse me but with the recent de-banging how is an age determination possible? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I never bought into the it all came from nothing " big bang" theory anyways. Way to much matter out there to have all came from nothing. You guys with your "Matter" crack me up. Matter is really the simple part of the problem. What about all that void or space? And what's on the other side of it, far out man . Seriously, the idea that the universe is 9 billion light years across is bedazzling. The observable universe is about 93 billion light years across and 13.8 billion years old. Excuse me but with the recent de-banging how is an age determination possible? Because when you look into the universe, you see almost ever Galaxy is flying away. So if it is bigger today, then it was smaller yesterday. You basically rewind it like a VCR. With that, you can calculate how old the universe. |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 5:39:07 PM EDT
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Nice contribution. 
Hurl insults when you have no facts to bear. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The arrogance of man to think that he actually knows anything at all other than that he is wearing pants...is superbly astounding. The beauty is they can't be proven wrong. Or right. Hahaha. Science is the one thing where it does demand proof. If anything, it's religion that can't be proven. You know far less about science than you think you do. Nice contribution.
Hurl insults when you have no facts to bear. Don't get defensive. My comment is based on a forty plus year career in science, circus pony that is often is. |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 5:39:16 PM EDT
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Revelation 1:8
" I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty." |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 5:48:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fisherman Don't get defensive. My comment is based on a forty plus year career in science, circus pony that is often is. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fisherman Don't get defensive. My comment is based on a forty plus year career in science, circus pony that is often is. Was it in Cosmolgy? |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 6:03:03 PM EDT
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Ok. So if God created the Universe, who created God? ..... Oh, God always existed?
Please tell me how the Genesis is more believable than the Big Bang theory? You prove a negative. And when a prayer isn't answered, you reply with "oh, well that's just Gods's will." It's just like those dumbass Nostradamus people. Where if a prediction doesn't come true, they just say it wasn't proven wrong, but that it was avoided by some decision a person made. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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. It IS plausible the universe suddenly appeared from...nothing. . Sure thing, Sport. It is also just as "plausible" that the universe sits on the back of a giant tortoise. Ok. So if God created the Universe, who created God? ..... Oh, God always existed?
Please tell me how the Genesis is more believable than the Big Bang theory? You prove a negative. And when a prayer isn't answered, you reply with "oh, well that's just Gods's will." It's just like those dumbass Nostradamus people. Where if a prediction doesn't come true, they just say it wasn't proven wrong, but that it was avoided by some decision a person made. I am sorry that you are so angry. I will pray for you. God loves you as well brother. |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 6:06:36 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/1/2015 6:13:20 PM EDT
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That was cool. Have you ever checked out "Scale of the Universe 2" ?
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Posted: 3/1/2015 7:41:45 PM EDT
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I never bought into the it all came from nothing " big bang" theory anyways. Way to much matter out there to have all came from nothing. I guess you should read up on it a bit more because you evidently don't even have the basic layman's concept down right. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 8:50:20 PM EDT
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Thought this thread was about Penny getting her implants taken out.
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Posted: 3/1/2015 9:17:04 PM EDT
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And they were just so sure of it..
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Posted: 3/1/2015 9:29:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You insinuating that I am a critic of science is the strawman. Your equivocation of a particular theory with all of science is another strawman. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The big bang theory as an explanation for the origin of the universe is not terribly convincing from a logical perspective. It's not terribly convincing as a theory for the current state of the universe either. ETA: Defenders of the current orthodoxy love to do what you just did. The pattern is something like this: Skeptic: I'm not sure about this theory because it dovetails rather poorly with this observable fact. Defender: The theory doesn't address that fact! Skeptic: To the discredit of the theory... Defender: You fail to understand the theory. Skeptic: The theory fails to impress. Defender: You fail to impress! As usual this tactic is very unimpressive. You insinuating that I am a critic of science is the strawman. Your equivocation of a particular theory with all of science is another strawman. Sorry, your strawman fails. |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 9:30:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you believe it is possible to fully comprehend and yet reject the conclusions you have come to? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Does this mean that all the smarter-than-thou people who believed in the BB are actually stupid, easily-duped brain-dead morons who clutch desperately at whatever "truth" is handed down to them from On High by crazy people wearing funny hats? Because I want to party with THOSE guys! Do you believe it is possible to fully comprehend and yet reject the conclusions you have come to? The article didn't say that the 'Big bang theory was totally debunked and was a big scam that fooled a bunch of people', the article said "a new theory has been proposed that may solve some of the problems with the big bang". That's it. If you don't understand that, you missed what the article said. You also don't understand how science works or how new theories replace current ones. |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 9:34:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You won't see me say science proves that a God doesn't exist. If religious people want people of science to take them seriously, then they should actually know what a scientific theory is and such. Or argue against it without using bible scripture. Can't prove a negative anyway |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 9:37:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: but, what was before? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Everything else we have observed has a beginning and an end. It is likely that the universe also follows this behavior. but, what was before? There was no before because a "before" requires time, time was created with the big bang so says the theory. Like asking where you were before you were born |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 9:42:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can't prove a negative anyway Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You won't see me say science proves that a God doesn't exist. If religious people want people of science to take them seriously, then they should actually know what a scientific theory is and such. Or argue against it without using bible scripture. Can't prove a negative anyway  |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 9:46:15 PM EDT
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We will never know, that's why they are theories. Still fun to think about of course. This |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 9:49:07 PM EDT
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The arrogance of man to think that he actually knows anything at all other than that he is wearing pants...is superbly astounding. Yeah let's just all stick our heads in the sand. |
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Posted: 3/1/2015 9:53:54 PM EDT
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We know nothing.
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Posted: 3/1/2015 9:55:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We know nothing. Dont bother worrying about it. |
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Posted: 3/2/2015 11:38:35 AM EDT
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Not more arrogant than people whom claim a 3000 year old, 500 page book explains everything. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When my Dad got into the Chemistry business in the '50's, there was a school of thought among the 'Scientific Community' that "everything that could be discovered had already been discovered". So, arrogance in the Scientific Community is nothing new. From the Solar System revolving around Earth to Climate Change, the arrogance is strong... 
TC Not more arrogant than people whom claim a 3000 year old, 500 page book explains everything. That's where taking the Bible literally steers you wrong. As much as the everyone hates the Catholic church, we don't take the bible literally. |
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Posted: 3/2/2015 11:46:13 AM EDT
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http://news.yahoo.com/big-bang-deflated-universe-may-had-no-beginning-140017504.html If a new theory turns out to be true, the universe may not have started with a bang.
In the new formulation, the universe was never a singularity, or an infinitely small and infinitely dense point of matter. In fact, the universe may have no beginning at all. "Our theory suggests that the age of the universe could be infinite," said study co-author Saurya Das, a theoretical physicist at the University of Lethbridge in Alberta, Canada. The new concept could also explain what dark matter — the mysterious, invisible substance that makes up most of the matter in the universe — is actually made of, Das added. I'd like to see how this theory handles entropy.
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Posted: 3/2/2015 11:47:25 AM EDT
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So its not disputing expansion, just disputing a singularity? Meh, we'll see what predictions it makes and how it can explain things compared to the standard model. Don't read too much into a yahoo news headline, sensational science journalism at its worst. We've had what, 80 years to determine something billions of years old is expanding? With light that takes millions of years to reach our primitive viewing devices? WE don't know shit. WE just have a lot of guesses. I.E. global climate change, and that is SO very recent, and ALL bunk. That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works. Like a boson! TRG |
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Posted: 3/2/2015 12:47:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's where taking the Bible literally steers you wrong. As much as the everyone hates the Catholic church, we don't take the bible literally. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: When my Dad got into the Chemistry business in the '50's, there was a school of thought among the 'Scientific Community' that "everything that could be discovered had already been discovered". So, arrogance in the Scientific Community is nothing new. From the Solar System revolving around Earth to Climate Change, the arrogance is strong... TC Not more arrogant than people whom claim a 3000 year old, 500 page book explains everything. That's where taking the Bible literally steers you wrong. As much as the everyone hates the Catholic church, we don't take the bible literally. One thing the Bible does say is that evidence of the glory of God is found within the creation. Thus inspiring men like Grosseteste, Bacon and the Jesuits who taught Descartes to explore the universe scientifically and logically. PS: there is an extraordinary amount of faith among atheist science that God will be disproved once and for all, when in fact our discoveries are leading us to the opposite. |
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Posted: 3/2/2015 12:52:40 PM EDT
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Wouldn't it be ironic if we've been calling God "dark matter" this entire time? Why ironic? |
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Posted: 3/2/2015 1:10:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm still amazed that people can honestly think that complex things such as the earth and humans just appeared out of thin air Believe what you want but to think that we didn't have a creator is willfully ignorant. . Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm still amazed that people can honestly think that complex things such as the earth and humans just appeared out of thin air Believe what you want but to think that we didn't have a creator is willfully ignorant. . Some being that was created out of thin air made the Earth and humans? Who's willfully ignorant? Quoted: Let me see if I can understand the Big Bang. Once upon a time the universe was the size of a head of a pin. All the trillions of galaxies and trillions of stars that we observe today were compressed to the size of an atom or something. That really makes sense, doesn't it? Nobody has a clue where that little atom size universe came from but it was just hanging around. Then all of a sudden that atom size universe exploded into the enormous universe we observe today. Nobody knows what cased the explosion but hey, what the heck, why let things like that get in the way of a prosperous theory? Our proof for this magical theory is some kind of background radiation and what seems to be the fact that the universe seems to be expanding outward, otherwise we don't have too much to go on. Thanks a lot for the magic theory but I'll go with intelligent design. It is more logical.  Some guy poofed everything into existence that we have zero evidence of is more logical than condensed energy exploding into matter and space? |
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Posted: 3/2/2015 1:16:11 PM EDT
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Some being that was created out of thin air made the Earth and humans? Who's willfully ignorant? God was not "created". He is eternal. |
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Posted: 3/2/2015 1:25:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: God was not "created". He is eternal. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Some being that was created out of thin air made the Earth and humans? Who's willfully ignorant? God was not "created". He is eternal. Said another way, if you think a "god" could be eternal, then there is no reason for you to assume that a singularity that caused the universe couldn't be eternal, thus eliminating the need for god. |
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Posted: 3/2/2015 1:38:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If something can be eternal, there is no reason to assume it was a conscious entity, it could be the universe itself, or an outside, unconscious cause Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Some being that was created out of thin air made the Earth and humans? Who's willfully ignorant? God was not "created". He is eternal. Here's the rub: the entire universe is made-up of the language of mathematics; essentially a code. Your DNA is a code of 3 billion base pairs (IIRC), written in molecules, that is unique to you, repeated in every cell in your body. Now if you walk down to the beach and see your name in the sand written in the relatively simple language of English, do you assume it formed there randomly? Then why would you assume the far more complex language that makes up your DNA "name" formed randomly? It truly defies Occam's Razor, and takes a massive amount of faith to believe. |
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Posted: 3/2/2015 1:38:52 PM EDT
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Hahaha. Science is the one thing where it does demand proof. If anything, it's religion that can't be proven. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The arrogance of man to think that he actually knows anything at all other than that he is wearing pants...is superbly astounding. The beauty is they can't be proven wrong. Or right. Hahaha. Science is the one thing where it does demand proof. If anything, it's religion that can't be proven. There's irony somewhere in both the Big Bang Theory and Scientific Method both being Christian ideas to begin with |
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Posted: 3/2/2015 1:44:45 PM EDT
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Wouldn't it be ironic if we've been calling God "dark matter" this entire time? Why ironic? I'm pretty sure the guy nailed on the cross was Caucasian. |
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Posted: 3/2/2015 1:45:01 PM EDT
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Eh, the thing is either way the universe is completely unlike anything we are used to dealing with. If there is an edge to the universe, than what is beyond that edge? Magnets, of course. That's probably why it keeps expanding
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Posted: 3/2/2015 1:47:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Here's the rub: the entire universe is made-up of the language of mathematics; essentially a code. Your DNA is a code of 3 billion base pairs (IIRC), written in molecules, that is unique to you, repeated in every cell in your body. Now if you walk down to the beach and see your name in the sand written in the relatively simple language of English, do you assume it formed there randomly? Then why would you assume the far more complex language that makes up your DNA "name" formed randomly? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Some being that was created out of thin air made the Earth and humans? Who's willfully ignorant? God was not "created". He is eternal. Here's the rub: the entire universe is made-up of the language of mathematics; essentially a code. Your DNA is a code of 3 billion base pairs (IIRC), written in molecules, that is unique to you, repeated in every cell in your body. Now if you walk down to the beach and see your name in the sand written in the relatively simple language of English, do you assume it formed there randomly? Then why would you assume the far more complex language that makes up your DNA "name" formed randomly? DNA is not a language. Its chemistry of self replicating molecules. No one says chemistry is random. This is a misunderstanding on your part. Because chemistry is not a message, nor is it random, you analogy fails completely, and thus you misapply Occam's razor by applying it to something that no one believes or thinks. I have zero faith about anything in the universe, as I find it completely useless. This includes includes my assessment that there is no reason to remotely suspect gods are real. No Faith needed. |
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Posted: 3/2/2015 1:49:42 PM EDT
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Some being that was created out of thin air made the Earth and humans? Who's willfully ignorant? God was not "created". He is eternal. eternal adjective eter·nal \i-'t?r-n?l : having no beginning and no end in time : lasting forever : existing at all times : always true or valid The Bible states: "in the beginning there was the Word." Either the Bible is wrong or you misused the word 'eternal'. TRG |
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Posted: 3/2/2015 1:55:36 PM EDT
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Very interesting article. It isn't really challenging the Big Bang, just making the "singularity" less of a singularity and more of an origin with definite mass and operable physics. It would nicely fit into a kind of cyclical universe with periods of expansion and then contraction back into a single dense mass.
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Posted: 3/2/2015 1:56:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, its not. DNA is not a language. Its chemistry of self replicating molecules. No one says chemistry is random. This is a misunderstanding on your part. Chemistry is not a message. You analogy fails, and you misapply occams razor. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Some being that was created out of thin air made the Earth and humans? Who's willfully ignorant? God was not "created". He is eternal. Here's the rub: the entire universe is made-up of the language of mathematics; essentially a code. Your DNA is a code of 3 billion base pairs (IIRC), written in molecules, that is unique to you, repeated in every cell in your body. Now if you walk down to the beach and see your name in the sand written in the relatively simple language of English, do you assume it formed there randomly? Then why would you assume the far more complex language that makes up your DNA "name" formed randomly? DNA is not a language. Its chemistry of self replicating molecules. No one says chemistry is random. This is a misunderstanding on your part. Chemistry is not a message. You analogy fails, and you misapply occams razor. How can a random mass of molecules form a human being if there isn't mathematical logic to it all? Did mathematical logic randomly form as well? If there were no underlying logic to it all, then we would not be able to replicate anything, in a lab, in the womb, and so on. This is where atheism fails at logical objectivity and becomes an emotional response. (For you believers: the concept of natural mathematics as a code that makes up all existence certainty puts John 1:1 in a interesting light.) |
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Posted: 3/2/2015 1:59:21 PM EDT
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Ok, so the new theory says the universe was once very tiny, very hot, and very dense - but technically not a singularity.
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