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Posted: 2/27/2015 2:11:59 PM EDT
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okay what did I miss, what is 'southern ice' Southern Ice™ is slippery, as opposed to the velcro-like Northern Ice Correct. |
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Posted: 2/27/2015 2:14:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is TX ice bigger and badder than the usual dreaded southern ice? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The weather is getting worse, and the roads are deteriorating in DFW. Some schools are letting kids out early. Be safe out there. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-3H8zTUYAAE1db.jpg That's not even snow, son  No. It's ice. Is TX ice bigger and badder than the usual dreaded southern ice?  |
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Posted: 2/27/2015 2:15:58 PM EDT
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coming down pretty good in denton--may get 5 whole inches of whiteness.
sorta like my exGF. |
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Posted: 2/27/2015 2:17:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: coming down pretty good in denton--may get 5 whole inches of whiteness. sorta like my exGF. |
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Posted: 2/27/2015 2:23:56 PM EDT
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She said it might not be very big around...but it sure is short.
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coming down pretty good in denton--may get 5 whole inches of whiteness. sorta like my exGF.
accumulates quickly, but doesn't last very long because the ground is warm. and like all texas weather, it comes without warning. |
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Posted: 2/27/2015 2:24:37 PM EDT
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because salt/brine/sand spreading is patchy down here, and the 4WD helps the front tires stay on track thru the slushy ice on those untreatd overpasses over a divided 4 llane highway. it also tends to slow you down when you lift off of the throttle. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lock it down in 4wd and take it easy if you have to be out in it. But then I grew up in the north and stuff like that doesn't bother me. Why 4wd? Going isn't the problem. Stopping is. I rarely use 4wd in my truck, even with 10+ inches of snow on the ground at times. because salt/brine/sand spreading is patchy down here, and the 4WD helps the front tires stay on track thru the slushy ice on those untreatd overpasses over a divided 4 llane highway. it also tends to slow you down when you lift off of the throttle. 
Over 3 inches of solid ice, from an unplowed road that melted when it hit 35 and refroze when it hit -12. On the other side of the train tracks, there is a 3ft snow drift. No need for 4wd once you're moving. Just saying as someone who drives in it daily + being a NSC defensive driving instructor. Your problems come from people braking, which applies force unevenly around the vehicle to begin with, which is then compounded when tires have an uneven amount of traction. Which then leads to steering / counter steering / over steering issues. Biggest thing with slush is just let the power steering do it's job and hold the wheel where it needs to be, don't let it move. |
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Posted: 2/27/2015 2:24:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: accumulates quickly, but doesn't last very long because the ground is warm. and like all texas weather, it comes without warning. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: coming down pretty good in denton--may get 5 whole inches of whiteness. sorta like my exGF. accumulates quickly, but doesn't last very long because the ground is warm. and like all texas weather, it comes without warning. |
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Posted: 2/27/2015 2:26:31 PM EDT
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This fascinates me. Maybe it's because I'm used to driving a car where you can actually feel what the tires are doing under you, but what in God's name would possess somebody to drive that fast on an untreated road? His truck should have been shouting warnings at him, though the steering wheel. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I was almost in one on the way to work today. My normal 30 minute commute took me 1.5 hours. I was driving 40 on I-20 in the left middle lane (closest to the passing lane) and some guy in a 4x4 pickup blows by me doing 70ish. He hits a bit of ice on the bridge and spins out and crashes into the left guardrail and stops. Instead of just sitting there, he puts it in reverse and tries to back up but punches the gas, so he spins out again and back into the right guardrail, where he is promply hit by 2 semi's in the right 2 lanes. I lucked out and was going slow enough to avoid his ass-hattery This fascinates me. Maybe it's because I'm used to driving a car where you can actually feel what the tires are doing under you, but what in God's name would possess somebody to drive that fast on an untreated road? His truck should have been shouting warnings at him, though the steering wheel. It's a 4x4, man. They'll handle anything. Seriously, just look through the threads here when we start talking about winter driving. It's amazing the number of people that subscribe to the theory that having power driven to more than one or two wheels grants their car the ability to ignore physics. |
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Posted: 2/27/2015 2:26:39 PM EDT
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This is all the wrecks just in Fort Worth right now https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-3MwH0UUAAlG7L.jpg Typical day in San Antonio If it even rains
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Posted: 2/27/2015 2:28:59 PM EDT
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My aunt in Denton said her neighbor was outside with a lawnmower trying to blow snow out of the driveway.
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Posted: 2/27/2015 2:30:12 PM EDT
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Why 4wd? Going isn't the problem. Stopping is. I rarely use 4wd in my truck, even with 10+ inches of snow on the ground at times. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lock it down in 4wd and take it easy if you have to be out in it. But then I grew up in the north and stuff like that doesn't bother me. Why 4wd? Going isn't the problem. Stopping is. I rarely use 4wd in my truck, even with 10+ inches of snow on the ground at times. I've driven 4 wheel drives all my life and it isn't worth a shit on Texas ice. |
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Posted: 2/27/2015 2:30:25 PM EDT
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Anyone have a resident weather expert in their office? Fuck, they have to give a play by play of what's going on and what's to come. Thank you for reading weather.com to us.
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Posted: 2/27/2015 2:31:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My aunt in Denton said her neighbor was outside with a lawnmower trying to blow snow out of the driveway. |
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Posted: 2/27/2015 2:32:23 PM EDT
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My aunt in Denton said her neighbor was outside with a lawnmower trying to blow snow out of the driveway. 
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Posted: 2/27/2015 2:32:27 PM EDT
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Is TX ice bigger and badder than the usual dreaded southern ice? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The weather is getting worse, and the roads are deteriorating in DFW. Some schools are letting kids out early. Be safe out there. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-3H8zTUYAAE1db.jpg That's not even snow, son No. It's ice. Is TX ice bigger and badder than the usual dreaded southern ice? EVERYTHING is bigger and badder in Texas. 
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Posted: 2/27/2015 2:34:31 PM EDT
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I came into work for some reason.
75 was stupid and now I'm stuck in Dallas. It wasn't too bad in Plano when I left |
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Posted: 2/27/2015 2:34:43 PM EDT
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Your problems come from people braking, which applies force unevenly around the vehicle to begin with, which is then compounded when tires have an uneven amount of traction. Which then leads to steering / counter steering / over steering issues. Biggest thing with slush is just let the power steering do it's job and hold the wheel where it needs to be, don't let it move. this is the main problem with texans driving on ice/snow--they don't understand that control inputs need to change when it gets slick. this explains the big pickup guys going 70 on a shitty surface--they bought their truck thinking that the truck will handle bad conditions for them. and an awful lot of people think of the controls as magical instead of mechanical. sorry bros--friction and inertia still apply. |
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Posted: 2/27/2015 2:34:49 PM EDT
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Well, I was going to drive up for the Market Hall show tomorrow, but I don't think I will risk it. Maybe Sunday.
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Posted: 2/27/2015 2:35:43 PM EDT
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My aunt in Denton said her neighbor was outside with a lawnmower trying to blow snow out of the driveway. props for trying to leverage technology, anyway. |
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Posted: 2/27/2015 2:36:33 PM EDT
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This storms whiteness sickitates me.
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Posted: 2/27/2015 2:37:38 PM EDT
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TxDOT reports 40-vehicle crash on 75 http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/2015/02/27/snow-winter-north-texas-weatherford-closings/24112529/
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Posted: 2/27/2015 2:40:06 PM EDT
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My aunt in Denton said her neighbor was outside with a lawnmower trying to blow snow out of the driveway. About how you would expect, I guess. You know how we lose our damn minds when that shit starts falling. |
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Posted: 2/27/2015 2:40:16 PM EDT
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TxDOT reports 40-vehicle crash on 75 http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/2015/02/27/snow-winter-north-texas-weatherford-closings/24112529/ The live video is kinda cool. Yep - that's some proper snow. Enjoy, Dallas! 
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Posted: 2/27/2015 2:43:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: About how you would expect, I guess. You know how we lose our damn minds when that shit starts falling. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: My aunt in Denton said her neighbor was outside with a lawnmower trying to blow snow out of the driveway. About how you would expect, I guess. You know how we lose our damn minds when that shit starts falling. |
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Posted: 2/27/2015 2:45:16 PM EDT
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I got in my car to go to work this morning...turned it on to 102.1 for the traffic report... the broad says, "Fort Worth is just a shit show right now..." I laughed.
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Posted: 2/27/2015 2:47:11 PM EDT
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This storms whiteness sickitates me. 
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Posted: 2/27/2015 2:52:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The live video is kinda cool. Yep - that's some proper snow. Enjoy, Dallas! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: TxDOT reports 40-vehicle crash on 75 http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/2015/02/27/snow-winter-north-texas-weatherford-closings/24112529/ The live video is kinda cool. Yep - that's some proper snow. Enjoy, Dallas! It's just the outside of a Whataburger now. |
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Posted: 2/27/2015 2:55:12 PM EDT
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It's just the outside of a Whataburger now.
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TxDOT reports 40-vehicle crash on 75 http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/2015/02/27/snow-winter-north-texas-weatherford-closings/24112529/ The live video is kinda cool. Yep - that's some proper snow. Enjoy, Dallas! It's just the outside of a Whataburger now.
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Posted: 2/27/2015 2:55:25 PM EDT
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My aunt in Denton said her neighbor was outside with a lawnmower trying to blow snow out of the driveway. What in fuck is going on down there? Get it together people. |
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Posted: 2/27/2015 2:55:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The live video is kinda cool. Yep - that's some proper snow. Enjoy, Dallas! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: TxDOT reports 40-vehicle crash on 75 http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/2015/02/27/snow-winter-north-texas-weatherford-closings/24112529/ The live video is kinda cool. Yep - that's some proper snow. Enjoy, Dallas!  will try to get some new ones in a little bit. |
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Posted: 2/27/2015 3:01:08 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/27/2015 3:06:39 PM EDT
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What in fuck is going on down there? Get it together people. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My aunt in Denton said her neighbor was outside with a lawnmower trying to blow snow out of the driveway. What in fuck is going on down there? Get it together people. Snomageddon, apparently. |
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Posted: 2/27/2015 3:07:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What in fuck is going on down there? Get it together people. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My aunt in Denton said her neighbor was outside with a lawnmower trying to blow snow out of the driveway. What in fuck is going on down there? Get it together people. |
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Posted: 2/27/2015 3:15:47 PM EDT
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Snomageddon, apparently. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My aunt in Denton said her neighbor was outside with a lawnmower trying to blow snow out of the driveway. What in fuck is going on down there? Get it together people. Snomageddon, apparently. It seems so. I won't pile on you guys for not being able to drive in it. However a lawnmower doing double duty as a snowblower is seriously cringe inducing. |
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Posted: 2/27/2015 3:19:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It seems so. I won't pile on you guys for not being able to drive in it. However a lawnmower doing double duty as a snowblower is seriously cringe inducing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: My aunt in Denton said her neighbor was outside with a lawnmower trying to blow snow out of the driveway. What in fuck is going on down there? Get it together people. Snomageddon, apparently. It seems so. I won't pile on you guys for not being able to drive in it. However a lawnmower doing double duty as a snowblower is seriously cringe inducing. |
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Posted: 2/27/2015 4:21:08 PM EDT
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Headed out to the bank and WalMart earlier. I have never seen so much traffic around here.
The bank was closed.  A bunch of empty spaces in the grocery shelves.  I guess most of the retards around have forgotten that bad weather never really hangs around more than a couple of days.
The roads were fine. A little slushy but no problem seeing plenty of asphalt. No ice on the roads either. |
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Posted: 2/27/2015 4:36:26 PM EDT
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I love these threads so fucking much!
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Posted: 2/27/2015 4:43:48 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/27/2015 4:48:39 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/27/2015 4:50:22 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/27/2015 4:52:49 PM EDT
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Absolutely. If I lived there, I'd be running summer performance tires (on my car anyway) all year. On days like this, it would stay in the garage. It's pretty much impossible to drive in this stuff on summer rubber, and I don't care how good a driver you are. Really good all seasons (car) or all terrains (truck) will work in a pinch, if you slow way the fuck down. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yep. Stopping and turning are the tricky bits. Good tires are the secret. And a lot of us run around on summer tires year-round down here. These are the days you should just stay home, or hitch a ride. Absolutely. If I lived there, I'd be running summer performance tires (on my car anyway) all year. On days like this, it would stay in the garage. It's pretty much impossible to drive in this stuff on summer rubber, and I don't care how good a driver you are. Really good all seasons (car) or all terrains (truck) will work in a pinch, if you slow way the fuck down. I work for a city street dept. here near Fort Worth. My work truck is an F-250 with road tires- 8 or 10 ply inflated to 75psi. I have a little tire spin but no real problems, and it's 2WD. My personal truck is an '08 Dodge Ram Quad Cab 2WD with a V-6. It has Hankook all terrain tires. I almost have to try to make it slide, although it will under the right conditions- ice doesn't really care if I am an arrogant Texan or a smug-ass yankee.
Most of the problems I see are from people in cars or trucks with street tires. My ATs aren't super aggressive but they work well on anything aside from a solid sheet of ice, and they help there too. I am getting really tired of having to pass a certain old ethnic women driving 10 or 15mph on wet tracks- not ice, not slush- wet. I don't drive fast on this, but they creep along like old people walking across a hockey rink. |
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Posted: 2/27/2015 4:57:43 PM EDT
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this is the main problem with texans driving on ice/snow--they don't understand that control inputs need to change when it gets slick. this explains the big pickup guys going 70 on a shitty surface--they bought their truck thinking that the truck will handle bad conditions for them. and an awful lot of people think of the controls as magical instead of mechanical. sorry bros--friction and inertia still apply. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Your problems come from people braking, which applies force unevenly around the vehicle to begin with, which is then compounded when tires have an uneven amount of traction. Which then leads to steering / counter steering / over steering issues. Biggest thing with slush is just let the power steering do it's job and hold the wheel where it needs to be, don't let it move. this is the main problem with texans driving on ice/snow--they don't understand that control inputs need to change when it gets slick. this explains the big pickup guys going 70 on a shitty surface--they bought their truck thinking that the truck will handle bad conditions for them. and an awful lot of people think of the controls as magical instead of mechanical. sorry bros--friction and inertia still apply. Most of the problem drivers aren't Texans. |
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Posted: 2/27/2015 4:59:28 PM EDT
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Quote History8.8/10. Good height, but didn't stick the landing on the back bumper. |
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Posted: 2/27/2015 4:59:33 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/27/2015 5:01:56 PM EDT
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Suddenly a 75 car pile up, in white out conditions in a storm that dumped 10+ inches of snow isn't that bad eh? I think Dallas is going for the gold. Edit: Last map is 63 wrecks. I really think a lot of guys from up north don't really understand how big things are here. The DFW area is probably almost as large as some of the states in the northeast. I need to fact check that, so don't jump my ass too hard, but it isn't like what most people think it is. Downtown Fort Worth to downtown Dallas is 30 miles, and there is a hell of a lot east and west of them, and we are almost solid suburbs in between, plus we are getting full between Dallas, Fort Worth up to Denton. I do need to check how many square miles DFW is. |
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Posted: 2/27/2015 5:04:14 PM EDT
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I really think a lot of guys from up north don't really understand how big things are here. The DFW area is probably almost as large as some of the states in the northeast. I need to fact check that, so don't jump my ass too hard, but it isn't like what most people think it is. Downtown Fort Worth to downtown Dallas is 30 miles, and there is a hell of a lot east and west of them, and we are almost solid suburbs in between, plus we are getting full between Dallas, Fort Worth up to Denton. I do need to check how many square miles DFW is. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Suddenly a 75 car pile up, in white out conditions in a storm that dumped 10+ inches of snow isn't that bad eh? I think Dallas is going for the gold. Edit: Last map is 63 wrecks. I really think a lot of guys from up north don't really understand how big things are here. The DFW area is probably almost as large as some of the states in the northeast. I need to fact check that, so don't jump my ass too hard, but it isn't like what most people think it is. Downtown Fort Worth to downtown Dallas is 30 miles, and there is a hell of a lot east and west of them, and we are almost solid suburbs in between, plus we are getting full between Dallas, Fort Worth up to Denton. I do need to check how many square miles DFW is. DFW = 634sq people per sq mile. Metro Detroit = 1104.8 people per sq mile. It's big, but not that big. Don't kid yourself. Edit: That was population density. Edit 2: Sizes are measured differently... Looking again. |
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Posted: 2/27/2015 5:04:39 PM EDT
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I really think a lot of guys from up north don't really understand how big things are here. The DFW area is probably almost as large as some of the states in the northeast. I need to fact check that, so don't jump my ass too hard, but it isn't like what most people think it is. Downtown Fort Worth to downtown Dallas is 30 miles, and there is a hell of a lot east and west of them, and we are almost solid suburbs in between, plus we are getting full between Dallas, Fort Worth up to Denton. I do need to check how many square miles DFW is. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Suddenly a 75 car pile up, in white out conditions in a storm that dumped 10+ inches of snow isn't that bad eh? I think Dallas is going for the gold. Edit: Last map is 63 wrecks. I really think a lot of guys from up north don't really understand how big things are here. The DFW area is probably almost as large as some of the states in the northeast. I need to fact check that, so don't jump my ass too hard, but it isn't like what most people think it is. Downtown Fort Worth to downtown Dallas is 30 miles, and there is a hell of a lot east and west of them, and we are almost solid suburbs in between, plus we are getting full between Dallas, Fort Worth up to Denton. I do need to check how many square miles DFW is. Just the DFW airport is larger than the island of Manhattan. |
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Posted: 2/27/2015 5:07:23 PM EDT
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This fascinates me. Maybe it's because I'm used to driving a car where you can actually feel what the tires are doing under you, but what in God's name would possess somebody to drive that fast on an untreated road? His truck should have been shouting warnings at him, though the steering wheel. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I was almost in one on the way to work today. My normal 30 minute commute took me 1.5 hours. I was driving 40 on I-20 in the left middle lane (closest to the passing lane) and some guy in a 4x4 pickup blows by me doing 70ish. He hits a bit of ice on the bridge and spins out and crashes into the left guardrail and stops. Instead of just sitting there, he puts it in reverse and tries to back up but punches the gas, so he spins out again and back into the right guardrail, where he is promply hit by 2 semi's in the right 2 lanes. I lucked out and was going slow enough to avoid his ass-hattery This fascinates me. Maybe it's because I'm used to driving a car where you can actually feel what the tires are doing under you, but what in God's name would possess somebody to drive that fast on an untreated road? His truck should have been shouting warnings at him, though the steering wheel. 4X4 hubris affects people with bad judgment more than the smarter people in society. 
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Posted: 2/27/2015 5:07:52 PM EDT
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I have awd escalade on descent all season type tires. The awd is pretty awesome its also "smart" it can send more power to a slipping wheel(s) if needed feathers the break if it feels you slip in a turn to keep you from going sideways etc ive been pretty impressed with it. I drive it smart and have had no issues in this snow storm or the last.
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Posted: 2/27/2015 5:09:38 PM EDT
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DFW = 634sq miles. Metro Detroit = 1104.8sq miles. It's big, but not that big. Don't kid yourself. Edit: That was population density. Size wise: DFW = 9286 miles Detroit = 11039 miles Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Suddenly a 75 car pile up, in white out conditions in a storm that dumped 10+ inches of snow isn't that bad eh? I think Dallas is going for the gold. Edit: Last map is 63 wrecks. I really think a lot of guys from up north don't really understand how big things are here. The DFW area is probably almost as large as some of the states in the northeast. I need to fact check that, so don't jump my ass too hard, but it isn't like what most people think it is. Downtown Fort Worth to downtown Dallas is 30 miles, and there is a hell of a lot east and west of them, and we are almost solid suburbs in between, plus we are getting full between Dallas, Fort Worth up to Denton. I do need to check how many square miles DFW is. DFW = 634sq miles. Metro Detroit = 1104.8sq miles. It's big, but not that big. Don't kid yourself. Edit: That was population density. Size wise: DFW = 9286 miles Detroit = 11039 miles Get that info from Wiki? That's population density. Total area, and this needs updating, is about 9,286 sq mi.. Who is kidding who? Dallas to Fort Worth, city limit to city limit, is 30 miles. It's about the same from Fort Worth to Denton and Dallas to Denton. That's just city limit sign to city limit sign. There is a hell of a lot within the cities, plus more east, west and south. I see your edit that you caught it. Like someone above posted, just the DFW airport is larger than Manhatten. Things are big here. |
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