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Posted: 2/24/2015 6:10:45 PM EDT
So I am having a heck of a time getting this butt stock screw out. I tried a screw driver trimmed down the the proper size , didn't budge
I tried using a punch like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CSfWxkLkg0.. didn't budge
The I used an air hammer, messed the screw up bad, still didn't budge
The I used this method with the stuck screw extractor  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaJAIHXgFfs, and that didn't work

So I am left with this


What do I do guys?
Link Posted: 2/24/2015 6:14:12 PM EDT
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Dremel with cut-off wheel.
Grind a slot in it.
Use a screwdriver.
ETA-OUCH!
Link Posted: 2/24/2015 6:16:04 PM EDT
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Looks like there's already a slot, but it's mangled.

This will work, though - just grind the new slot perpendicular to the existing.

If it's Loctited and there's no plastic around, torch it first.
Link Posted: 2/24/2015 6:16:20 PM EDT
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fabricators may not have been the best choice....

This is firmly in the defabrication area...
Link Posted: 2/24/2015 6:17:48 PM EDT
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Many of those screws are loctited from the factory, Apply heat. I sure do hope that isnt the receiver thats all marred up.






Im guessing this is a VZ with the stock folder?
Link Posted: 2/24/2015 6:20:42 PM EDT
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This is firmly in the defabrication area...
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Lol... didn't think about that


Also even if I was able to put another slot for a screwdriver in their it wouldn't come off

The dunk monkeys at century arms anodized the entire gun assembled... it really stuck on there
Link Posted: 2/24/2015 6:21:34 PM EDT
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Many of those screws are loctited from the factory, Apply heat. I sure do hope that isnt the receiver thats all marred up.



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Nope, its just the folding stock assembly... I am not that destructive
Link Posted: 2/24/2015 6:23:34 PM EDT
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Drill a hole into the middle of it, make sure the hole isn't bigger than the actual OD of the screw you're drilling into.

Thread that hole.  Original hole size needs to correspond to the tap size you want to use for the threading here.  Use the most permanent loc-tite imaginable.  Red loctite should work just fine.  Apply to screw that fits the threads that you just made, screw that in.  Let Loc-Tite cure.  Use the new screw to loosen the old one.

Edited to ad:  I've also welded nuts onto things like this to remove them, but this can be destructive, you have to be very careful with the grounding because of arcing, and it requires specialty equipment.  The above method is the easiest way to do it because the only specialty tools you need are a common household drill, drill bit and tap of appropriate size with a matching screw size, and loc-tite.
Link Posted: 2/24/2015 6:23:36 PM EDT
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Damn dude thats pretty mangled.










Weld (TIG) some material back onto the screw and try to get it off with some vice-grips when its still hot.


 



Or drill it out and use an EZ-Out
Link Posted: 2/24/2015 6:24:04 PM EDT
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Create a new slot. Heat up the area, which should help break the Loctite.

Get a screwdriver that fits right. If the screwdriver has a hex nut on it, make sure you use a wrench to turn the screwdriver. It will increase the leverage. If not, use a set of vise grips on the screwdriver.
Link Posted: 2/24/2015 6:24:19 PM EDT
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Try this from Amazon

In the review section, there is a video of it in action.
I've used it before. It does work.
Link Posted: 2/24/2015 6:25:47 PM EDT
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Tig a nut on the screw then take off with appropriate sized wrench.

Link Posted: 2/24/2015 6:26:17 PM EDT
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Drill the head of the screw off, 2 sizes larger than the hole in the middle of the screw, this should leave a conical shaped "bolt" end. When it pops loose grab the rest with vise grips and remove stubborn screw.

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Link Posted: 2/24/2015 6:28:08 PM EDT
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Did you try to put some heat to it?
Link Posted: 2/24/2015 6:28:40 PM EDT
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AK?

You know what to do with it.

Link Posted: 2/24/2015 6:29:41 PM EDT
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Welding a nut looks like a good option... I don't have a tig welder, my dad has a flux core. Do you guys think that will work?
Link Posted: 2/24/2015 6:30:16 PM EDT
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Yup, I used map gas
Link Posted: 2/24/2015 6:30:37 PM EDT
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Heat/Beat/Repeat
Link Posted: 2/24/2015 6:32:49 PM EDT
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Create a new slot. Heat up the area, which should help break the Loctite.





Get a screwdriver that fits right. If the screwdriver has a hex nut on it, make sure you use a wrench to turn the screwdriver. It will increase the leverage. If not, use a set of vise grips on the screwdriver.
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This is the technique I usually use in such cases.  Be generous, and give yourself a good, deep slot.

 





If it still won't budge, carefully punch the exact center of the screw.  drill it out slightly smaller than the bore size of the screw, so mostly just the threads are left with maybe a 32nd left.  you should be able to get it out easily from there with a screwdriver or small chisel slightly bigger than the diameter of the hole you created.


 
Link Posted: 2/24/2015 6:34:35 PM EDT
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You know what to do with it.





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Nope, not AK

 
Link Posted: 2/24/2015 6:35:05 PM EDT
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also





Link Posted: 2/24/2015 6:35:58 PM EDT
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No. TIG is a must. Drill it out and use an EZ-Out is your next option without TIG.
Link Posted: 2/24/2015 6:38:12 PM EDT
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Dremel better slot, heat, then this.



Link Posted: 2/24/2015 6:39:30 PM EDT
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No. TIG is a must. Drill it out and use an EZ-Out is your next option without TIG.
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Welding a nut looks like a good option... I don't have a tig welder, my dad has a flux core. Do you guys think that will work?

 

No. TIG is a must. Drill it out and use an EZ-Out is your next option without TIG.


I disagree.  Drill a hole, thread that hole, red loc-tite in a screw, let loc-tite cure, remove all.

If this method doesn't work, the screw you loc-tited in will probably come out.  When it does, you can still try EZ-Out.  But if the EZ-Out option doesn't work, you can't go back and thread very easily, depending on the existing screw depth.
Link Posted: 2/24/2015 6:40:11 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 2/24/2015 6:43:40 PM EDT
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I disagree.  Drill a hole, thread that hole, red loc-tite in a screw, let loc-tite cure, remove all.

If this method doesn't work, the screw you loc-tited in will probably come out.  When it does, you can still try EZ-Out.  But if the EZ-Out option doesn't work, you can't go back and thread very easily, depending on the existing screw depth.
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Welding a nut looks like a good option... I don't have a tig welder, my dad has a flux core. Do you guys think that will work?

 

No. TIG is a must. Drill it out and use an EZ-Out is your next option without TIG.


I disagree.  Drill a hole, thread that hole, red loc-tite in a screw, let loc-tite cure, remove all.

If this method doesn't work, the screw you loc-tited in will probably come out.  When it does, you can still try EZ-Out.  But if the EZ-Out option doesn't work, you can't go back and thread very easily, depending on the existing screw depth.


They do make left handed taps....
Link Posted: 2/24/2015 6:44:35 PM EDT
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heat first. soak in kroil or breakfree. cut a deeper slot for a huge flathead
Link Posted: 2/24/2015 6:45:22 PM EDT
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Tig a nut on the screw then take off with appropriate sized wrench.


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Do most gun smiths have a tig welder... I am kind of hesitant to leave a gun with anyone else
Link Posted: 2/24/2015 6:45:37 PM EDT
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If you have access to welder , weld a nut on . Stack another nut on and weld the sides . Thread a bolt in as far as you can and weld it on .  Use a tool with centered pressure like an air impact with the pressure cranked way down to where it just bumps a little . A wrench like ratchet or a box/open allows for too much lateral pressure and makes it easier to crack the weld . A battery powered impact can work too , just be easy with it . Might take more than one attempt . Heat is your friend here .
Link Posted: 2/24/2015 6:46:13 PM EDT
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Drill the head of the screw off, 2 sizes larger than the hole in the middle of the screw, this should leave a conical shaped "bolt" end. When it pops loose grab the rest with vise grips and remove stubborn screw.

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This is a good option, provided there is enough of the screw to grab onto. Otherwise, you now really screwed yourself.
Link Posted: 2/24/2015 6:47:02 PM EDT
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Welding a nut looks like a good option... I don't have a tig welder, my dad has a flux core. Do you guys think that will work?

 

No. TIG is a must. Drill it out and use an EZ-Out is your next option without TIG.


I disagree.  Drill a hole, thread that hole, red loc-tite in a screw, let loc-tite cure, remove all.

If this method doesn't work, the screw you loc-tited in will probably come out.  When it does, you can still try EZ-Out.  But if the EZ-Out option doesn't work, you can't go back and thread very easily, depending on the existing screw depth.


They do make left handed taps....


Drill hole, use LH tap, put a bolt in it, use a breaker bar to get it off.... that seems like a good option
Link Posted: 2/24/2015 6:49:03 PM EDT
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Welding a nut looks like a good option... I don't have a tig welder, my dad has a flux core. Do you guys think that will work?

 

No. TIG is a must. Drill it out and use an EZ-Out is your next option without TIG.


I disagree.  Drill a hole, thread that hole, red loc-tite in a screw, let loc-tite cure, remove all.

If this method doesn't work, the screw you loc-tited in will probably come out.  When it does, you can still try EZ-Out.  But if the EZ-Out option doesn't work, you can't go back and thread very easily, depending on the existing screw depth.


They do make left handed taps....


Which works better, but sometimes left handed taps can be extremely hard to find depending on location.  Usually any hardware store will have the required equipment to do all of the above.  AND with the right handed threading kit you purchase there's a better chance it will be useful in other projects down the line.

I've had horrible luck with EZ-Out type extractors.
Link Posted: 2/24/2015 6:50:44 PM EDT
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If you can find a LH tap, that is absolutely your best DIY option.  If you can't, RH tap with loc-tite is the easiest.  Unless you've got access to welding.  I've used stick and mig in similar situations, but there's a chance you arc and seize up the folding mechanism somewhere if you aren't careful about it, among other things.  Can't be sure without seeing more of the piece.
Link Posted: 2/24/2015 6:51:12 PM EDT
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No. Welding won't work because it's probably 7075 aluminum, which doesn't weld easily.  Just drill it out with the largest diameter drill you can without hitting the internal threads - then remove the remnants with a pick
Link Posted: 2/24/2015 6:56:49 PM EDT
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Century LH threads??
Link Posted: 2/24/2015 7:04:33 PM EDT
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lol...
Link Posted: 2/24/2015 7:05:27 PM EDT
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lol...


I would have felt even stupider if that was the case
Link Posted: 2/24/2015 7:28:10 PM EDT
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Heat it up to release thread locker then use a left handed drill bit....
Link Posted: 2/24/2015 7:47:21 PM EDT
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Is this the thread where I learn to properly stake a gas key?


Holy shit OP, you reckon that will buff out?
Link Posted: 2/24/2015 7:50:19 PM EDT
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Use a soldering iron to heat it up, then use a wide flat blade or impact wrench to loosen it.....I have removed a few of these from CAI rifles..
Link Posted: 2/24/2015 8:34:48 PM EDT
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lookin good op, you're almost there. just keep at it with the air hammer and punch
Link Posted: 2/26/2015 10:04:22 AM EDT
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Well?
Link Posted: 2/26/2015 10:06:56 AM EDT
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Looks like there's already a slot, but it's mangled.

This will work, though - just grind the new slot perpendicular to the existing.

If it's Loctited and there's no plastic around, torch it first.
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Dremel with cut-off wheel.
Grind a slot in it.
Use a screwdriver.
ETA-OUCH!


Looks like there's already a slot, but it's mangled.

This will work, though - just grind the new slot perpendicular to the existing.

If it's Loctited and there's no plastic around, torch it first.


Using a soldering iron to pin-point the heat on the screw has worked for me in the past. (when a torch is not an option)
Link Posted: 2/26/2015 10:17:41 AM EDT
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Do most gun smiths men have a tig welder... I am kind of hesitant to leave a gun with anyone else
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Tig a nut on the screw then take off with appropriate sized wrench.


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Do most gun smiths men have a tig welder... I am kind of hesitant to leave a gun with anyone else



Yes, yes they do.
Link Posted: 2/26/2015 10:17:51 AM EDT
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I personally would drill it out and use a tap to re-thread the hole if it was needed. Failing that, try heating it up to release whatever glue they've used in there.
Link Posted: 2/26/2015 10:22:01 AM EDT
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What he said...
Link Posted: 2/26/2015 10:30:09 AM EDT
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Have you tried just standing there and cursing at it yet? Give that a try.
Link Posted: 2/26/2015 10:46:55 AM EDT
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Any hole you drill use a left hand drill bit. often times just drilling the hole can back out the screw and no need to tap or use an EZ out
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Yes, yes they do.
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Yes, yes they do.



Uh not really. Most people don't have a use for a tig welder. Very few people tig weld on a regular basis unless you're in the fabrication business.

Only reason I have one at my shop is to weld aluminum pipe. MIG is better for 95% of situations.

But In this case drilling and tapping is a much better DIY approach, as most people have a drill they can use. A hand tap/die set isn't too pricey either, where as a decent tig set up is 2k or more.
Link Posted: 2/26/2015 11:24:29 AM EDT
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Looks like there's already a slot, but it's mangled.

This will work, though - just grind the new slot perpendicular to the existing.

If it's Loctited and there's no plastic around, torch it first.
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Dremel with cut-off wheel.
Grind a slot in it.
Use a screwdriver.
ETA-OUCH!


Looks like there's already a slot, but it's mangled.

This will work, though - just grind the new slot perpendicular to the existing.

If it's Loctited and there's no plastic around, torch it first.


Not to hijack this thread, but the above post is a great example of why this is such a great place.  People like me, who often don't know what to do, can ask here...and more often than not, somebody's BTDT and has an efficient method of solving the problem.  



In fact, this is a great thread with great solutions.
Link Posted: 2/27/2015 5:03:47 PM EDT
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>OP, get it out?
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