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Link Posted: 2/24/2015 4:38:53 PM EDT
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The real message in the story of the Ark is that God is not going to destroy the earth every time humans act evil.  If He did that then the world would have been flooded again in the 1940s and other times, wouldn't it?

Genesis is neither a history book or a science book.  It is a narrative of the relationship between Man and God and should be view as such.
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Noah's Ark is just another example of how Fundamentalists have hamstrung themselves by a too-literal reading of the book of Genesis, really.  Rational Christians could take it as the story of a regional flood (for which there is ample evidence) in the Middle East in prehistory used as a morality tale by the Bible.  Instead, literalist Fundamentalists insist on a literal flooding of the Earth beyond the top of the highest mountains with all the physical impossibilities that entails.


The real message in the story of the Ark is that God is not going to destroy the earth every time humans act evil.  If He did that then the world would have been flooded again in the 1940s and other times, wouldn't it?

Genesis is neither a history book or a science book.  It is a narrative of the relationship between Man and God and should be view as such.


LOL if he did God would just make the earth one big ocean and be done with it!
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one of the many absurdities that drove me away from the faith.


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Why can't the Bible be literal?


Either its all true or none of its true





one of the many absurdities that drove me away from the faith.



You can not be driven away from something that you never had.
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Noah didn't.  God did.  You will need to speak to God.
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God shouldn't have needed an Ark. He is God after all.

It was a cool story. Fiction, but cool.
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You can not be driven away from something that you never had.
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Why can't the Bible be literal?


Either its all true or none of its true





one of the many absurdities that drove me away from the faith.



You can not be driven away from something that you never had.



you have no idea what you're talking about, but i don't expect you to.
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Why can't the Bible be literal?


Either its all true or none of its true





one of the many absurdities that drove me away from the faith.



You can not be driven away from something that you never had.


edit. I should have looked at to whom I was responding.
Link Posted: 2/24/2015 4:49:01 PM EDT
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The real message in the story of the Ark is that God is not going to destroy the earth every time humans act evil.  If He did that then the world would have been flooded again in the 1940s and other times, wouldn't it?

Genesis is neither a history book or a science book.  It is a narrative of the relationship between Man and God and should be view as such.
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Noah's Ark is just another example of how Fundamentalists have hamstrung themselves by a too-literal reading of the book of Genesis, really.  Rational Christians could take it as the story of a regional flood (for which there is ample evidence) in the Middle East in prehistory used as a morality tale by the Bible.  Instead, literalist Fundamentalists insist on a literal flooding of the Earth beyond the top of the highest mountains with all the physical impossibilities that entails.


The real message in the story of the Ark is that God is not going to destroy the earth every time humans act evil.  If He did that then the world would have been flooded again in the 1940s and other times, wouldn't it?

Genesis is neither a history book or a science book.  It is a narrative of the relationship between Man and God and should be view as such.

Either it's literally true, or it's pure bullshit. There can be no middle ground, because if you acknowledge that some things are meant figuratively, how can you know which things are meant literally? It becomes arbitrary and haphazard, to the point where it no longer means anything at all. Ambiguity and truth cannot coexist.
Link Posted: 2/24/2015 4:52:23 PM EDT
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God shouldn't have needed an Ark. He is God after all.

It was a cool story. Fiction, but cool.
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Noah didn't.  God did.  You will need to speak to God.


God shouldn't have needed an Ark. He is God after all.

It was a cool story. Fiction, but cool.


The point of the story was Noah's faith. The arc was for him, not because God couldn't save him.

That's the point atheists miss the mark on. Faith is a great thing, if you can have it. It doesn't matter if what you believe is true or not. It matters that you believe in something, at least to you.

Faith in something good can guide, comfort, support, and strengthen a person.
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The point of the story was Noah's faith. The arc was for him, not because God couldn't save him.

That's the point atheists miss the mark on. Faith is a great thing, if you can have it. It doesn't matter if what you believe is true or not. It matters that you believe in something, at least to you.

Faith in something good can guide, comfort, support, and strengthen a person.
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Noah didn't.  God did.  You will need to speak to God.


God shouldn't have needed an Ark. He is God after all.

It was a cool story. Fiction, but cool.


The point of the story was Noah's faith. The arc was for him, not because God couldn't save him.

That's the point atheists miss the mark on. Faith is a great thing, if you can have it. It doesn't matter if what you believe is true or not. It matters that you believe in something, at least to you.

Faith in something good can guide, comfort, support, and strengthen a person.

Elevating faith to a virtue is the biggest evil that religion has perpetrated on man. To value ignorance is beyond abhorrent.
Link Posted: 2/24/2015 4:57:52 PM EDT
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The story of Noah was plagiarized from the Epic of Gilgamesh.  

And to the person who brought up the Bible code, an Israeli mathametician plugged the formula into a number of large books and came up with the same stuff.  Moby Dick and War and Peace are two of the books he used.
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  The ignorance here is striking.  
 

You don't know the first thing about science.
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Science is knowledge of GOD creation. Just because atheists ant anti theists try to Hijack Science and equate it as absent of GOD and that SCIENCE and GOD are separate. Sorry but a lot of what is being thrown out as science has nothing to do with science it is an attempt to try to discredit a belief in GOD.    

If a scientists comes out in and uses evidence to show How GOD is the creator he is immediately cast out of the "scientific" community. All science is is the understanding of GODS creation and the laws he put into place. The outright denial or ignoring of the creator shows that many so called scientists are not scientific at all but hacks. You get so many who make outlandish claims against the bible and later get proven wrong and all their supporters are like "well that means nothing" It is like a mental disorder.

  The ignorance here is striking.  
 

You don't know the first thing about science.


Well, then how does science, by experimentation and analysis come up with a certainty of absolutely no creator involved?
There is a huge rift in the scientific and political communities according to the findings of secular science through their method of accuracy.
Some findings with merit I suppose, and some findings which contain a high degree of junk science.
When science makes certain claims about certain people, the ones who are very bright, so they say mostly with a political sway, concerning who should be privileged, and who should not be as a matter of opportunity and even who should be sterilized or even euphemized, because of a genetic abnormality, then I say that science has overstepped its bounds and is science no longer.
It has become a very great evil in the earth.
There is a history of this in the world, as Darwin and his teachings have been used to present this gross fallacy to the world.
Examples: Communism under Joseph Stalin; a mass murderer of over 50,000,000 people. Nazi Socialism under another anti-Christian and Jewish mass murderer Adolph Hitler, 30,000,000 people.
One reportedly shook his fist in the air looking up on his death bed, and the other committed suicide giving orders shortly before his death, for his body to be incinerated by gasoline.
Go figure..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6x2MHecEKo
"The Occult History of the Third Reich"
References to Darwinism at 16:21
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edit. I should have looked at to whom I was responding.
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Why can't the Bible be literal?


Either its all true or none of its true





one of the many absurdities that drove me away from the faith.



You can not be driven away from something that you never had.


edit. I should have looked at to whom I was responding.


Lol...don't you hate when you accidentally feed a troll?
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Lol...don't you hate when you accidentally feed a troll?
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Why can't the Bible be literal?


Either its all true or none of its true





one of the many absurdities that drove me away from the faith.



You can not be driven away from something that you never had.


edit. I should have looked at to whom I was responding.


Lol...don't you hate when you accidentally feed a troll?


Biblical accuracy makes a troll?
Troll on.
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Well, then how does science, by experimentation and analysis come up with a certainty of absolutely no creator involved.

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You don't know the first thing about science.


Well, then how does science, by experimentation and analysis come up with a certainty of absolutely no creator involved.




it doesn't.  and by asking that question, you are yet again displaying a fundamental ignorance of basic scientific concepts.

if you're going to argue this stuff, you may want to start learning about science in order to avoid looking foolish.
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We are logical beings, created in His image who have acquired the knowledge of good and evil and become "like Him" with regard to that ability and therefore have fallen and are held accountable for that ability.

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Are we then on the same level as our creator?
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Elevating faith to a virtue is the biggest evil that religion has perpetrated on man. To value ignorance is beyond abhorrent.
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Noah didn't.  God did.  You will need to speak to God.


God shouldn't have needed an Ark. He is God after all.

It was a cool story. Fiction, but cool.


The point of the story was Noah's faith. The arc was for him, not because God couldn't save him.

That's the point atheists miss the mark on. Faith is a great thing, if you can have it. It doesn't matter if what you believe is true or not. It matters that you believe in something, at least to you.

Faith in something good can guide, comfort, support, and strengthen a person.

Elevating faith to a virtue is the biggest evil that religion has perpetrated on man. To value ignorance is beyond abhorrent.


Tell that to a parent who is comforted at the bed of their dying son.

Tell that to the likes of George Washington who mustered courage from his faith. Or any soldier facing death. Or any other human going through some awful tragedy in life.

You're dead wrong on that one.

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Are we then on the same level as our creator?
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We are logical beings, created in His image who have acquired the knowledge of good and evil and become "like Him" with regard to that ability and therefore have fallen and are held accountable for that ability.

With that comes the ability to use reason and logic.

Are we then on the same level as our creator?


Just using the words of the Bible, in the first sentence. Second one was extrapolation, admittedly.

I'm not entirely ignorant of the subject matter.
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The point of the story was Noah's faith. The arc was for him, not because God couldn't save him.

That's the point atheists miss the mark on. Faith is a great thing, if you can have it. It doesn't matter if what you believe is true or not. It matters that you believe in something, at least to you.

Faith in something good can guide, comfort, support, and strengthen a person.
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Noah didn't.  God did.  You will need to speak to God.


God shouldn't have needed an Ark. He is God after all.

It was a cool story. Fiction, but cool.


The point of the story was Noah's faith. The arc was for him, not because God couldn't save him.

That's the point atheists miss the mark on. Faith is a great thing, if you can have it. It doesn't matter if what you believe is true or not. It matters that you believe in something, at least to you.

Faith in something good can guide, comfort, support, and strengthen a person.


So, you are saying the story is just fiction as well?

Because what would a true god need to flood the world for, when he could just strike down any he saw unfit? What use was destroying and killing all of the other creatures?  

God is either omnipotent, or he is not? Which one is it?

If even God himself must use the universal laws of the universe, henceforth he needed to use a flood to kill off humanity, then why is it hard to believe that he used Evolution to create all the organisms that are here?

There is no arguing both sides and still expect to have anyone listen to the absurdity. God could simply unmake all that he made, then we wouldn't later have to debate whether or not it happened. Theologists then claim, it's the "gotta have faith" argument, but that's complete bullshit. If God wanted to have faith, he would have shown why that Faith was Merited. So far, we have nothing of the sort, and the only contributions religion has seemed to bring us, is chaos, war, and death it it's name. Hardly a reason to bolster one's faith.

If anything in this world is obvious, if there was a  God that created us and the laws of the universe, it's not associated with any of our religions.....Christianity included.
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double tap
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google the Answers in Genesis website

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Yeah, if you want to go like this.

Ken Ham is a shyster.
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Why can't the Bible be literal?


Either its all true or none of its true





one of the many absurdities that drove me away from the faith.



You can not be driven away from something that you never had.



And who, exactly, are you to judge another person's faith when you've never met them and wer're talking about the past?

Get a grip, mister. You ain't God...
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And who, exactly, are you to judge another person's faith when you've never met them and wer're talking about the past?

Get a grip, mister. You ain't God...
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Why can't the Bible be literal?


Either its all true or none of its true





one of the many absurdities that drove me away from the faith.



You can not be driven away from something that you never had.



And who, exactly, are you to judge another person's faith when you've never met them and wer're talking about the past?

Get a grip, mister. You ain't God...


No, but I do understand his word...

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  Science doesn't mention God at all.  It doesn't seek to disprove God, and it can't disprove God.  By definition science cannot prove or disprove the supernatural.


Those are basic scientific principles.  If you don't have that basic knowledge, then you don't know enough about science and the scientific method to intelligently discuss them.
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There are scientists who are on a crusade to disprove God.  *cough* Stephen Hawking *cough"  It's not what science should be about but it happens.
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No, but I do understand his word...

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Why can't the Bible be literal?


Either its all true or none of its true





one of the many absurdities that drove me away from the faith.



You can not be driven away from something that you never had.



And who, exactly, are you to judge another person's faith when you've never met them and wer're talking about the past?

Get a grip, mister. You ain't God...


No, but I do understand his word...



So does Satan. Big whoop.

You're out of your lane slinging judgements like that...
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Got to love how creationists don't believe in "macro evolution" and that "no species has ever given rise to another species", and then they go to explain noah's ark by claiming that millions of species were created by a smaller number of species diversifying into them, not over billions of years, but only in a couple thousand.




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  Stephen Hawking may use science to argue against God, but he knows that science cannot disprove God.
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  Science doesn't mention God at all.  It doesn't seek to disprove God, and it can't disprove God.  By definition science cannot prove or disprove the supernatural.


Those are basic scientific principles.  If you don't have that basic knowledge, then you don't know enough about science and the scientific method to intelligently discuss them.


There are scientists who are on a crusade to disprove God.  *cough* Stephen Hawking *cough"  It's not what science should be about but it happens.

  Stephen Hawking may use science to argue against God, but he knows that science cannot disprove God.



Then he's an idiot because he knows he's wasting his time doing the former if he knows the latter...
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  Science doesn't mention God at all.  It doesn't seek to disprove God, and it can't disprove God.  By definition science cannot prove or disprove the supernatural.


Those are basic scientific principles.  If you don't have that basic knowledge, then you don't know enough about science and the scientific method to intelligently discuss them.


There are scientists who are on a crusade to disprove God.  *cough* Stephen Hawking *cough"  It's not what science should be about but it happens.

  Stephen Hawking may use science to argue against God, but he knows that science cannot disprove God.


exactly.  and when hawking is arguing against god, he is not speaking as a scientist.  he is quite aware that science is methodologically prohibited from even addressing the issue of god.

he is merely reporting a personal metaphysical opinion.
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So does Satan. Big whoop.

You're out of your lane slinging judgements like that...
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No, but I do understand his word...



So does Satan. Big whoop.

You're out of your lane slinging judgements like that...


it's no big deal--he's just smarting because i pointed out some of his scientific deficiencies in the recent evolution thread.  i wasn't entirely...diplomatic, so he can claim some provocation.
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Agreed. One of the more out there stories.
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Agreed. One of the more out there stories.

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The laws were given to the Israelites to live by.  They were to be a nation of priests for the world.  They were set apart.  They were different.  They were holy.  God never required the rest of the world to live by those laws, unless they resided with the Israelites.  

And Jesus said he did not come to abolish the law, but to fulfill it.

As to the flood, you think the Grand Canyon was made by a little river?  How come there aren't any others remotely like it?  However, a landlocked ocean...

Mountains make it impossible?  What if at the time there was only one continent?  Google earth shows how things broke up, slide around.  That's probably how and when most mountain ranges were formed, even in the oceans.  

Why is it important for Christians to believe God? When He tells us that before the fall of man there was no death?  It's the entire salvation story.  Jesus dying on a cross was meaningless if there was never a moment in time man fell.  In the garden.   Just as described in Genesis.

Evolution was invented by a heathen who needed to come up with another way we all came to be, devoid of a loving God and Creator.   Scientists are the high priests of this new religion.  Man was made in the image of God.  So chose what will save you.  Some asshat wearing a white coat or the Son of God?
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I can never remember which parts of the Torah Christians buy and which parts they do not.







Only the parts they agree with. Just look at how Christians treat Leviticus.


The laws were given to the Israelites to live by.  They were to be a nation of priests for the world.  They were set apart.  They were different.  They were holy.  God never required the rest of the world to live by those laws, unless they resided with the Israelites.  

And Jesus said he did not come to abolish the law, but to fulfill it.

As to the flood, you think the Grand Canyon was made by a little river?  How come there aren't any others remotely like it?  However, a landlocked ocean...

Mountains make it impossible?  What if at the time there was only one continent?  Google earth shows how things broke up, slide around.  That's probably how and when most mountain ranges were formed, even in the oceans.  

Why is it important for Christians to believe God? When He tells us that before the fall of man there was no death?  It's the entire salvation story.  Jesus dying on a cross was meaningless if there was never a moment in time man fell.  In the garden.   Just as described in Genesis.

Evolution was invented by a heathen who needed to come up with another way we all came to be, devoid of a loving God and Creator.   Scientists are the high priests of this new religion.  Man was made in the image of God.  So chose what will save you.  Some asshat wearing a white coat or the Son of God?



There are many gorges and canyons all over the world. There are also gorges and canyons on other planets like mars.

The Grand canyon is the result of geology, climate, and location.  All of which came together to allow the canyon to be formed.

Just like the big ass meteor crater not that far from the grand canyon, that is extremely old. There are other craters around the world, this one happens to be very big and well preserved. How come it survived your land-locked ocean, right down to the ejecta that can be found in the surrounding area?
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Not hard at all.  Either it was like Warehouse 13 and auto adjusted it's size or it was a just cooler of frozen embryos.  

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I'm not reading three pages of thread on this, but did anyone bring up the Gilgamesh flood story yet?  It's the exact same story.
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Not the exact same story.



But similar.



 
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Either it's literally true, or it's pure bullshit. There can be no middle ground, because if you acknowledge that some things are meant figuratively, how can you know which things are meant literally? It becomes arbitrary and haphazard, to the point where it no longer means anything at all. Ambiguity and truth cannot coexist.
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Not the exact same story.

But similar.
 


Read them one after the other.  "Similar" is a massive understatement.
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Noah's Ark is just another example of how Fundamentalists have hamstrung themselves by a too-literal reading of the book of Genesis, really.  Rational Christians could take it as the story of a regional flood (for which there is ample evidence) in the Middle East in prehistory used as a morality tale by the Bible.  Instead, literalist Fundamentalists insist on a literal flooding of the Earth beyond the top of the highest mountains with all the physical impossibilities that entails.
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The tale of Ziusudra is pretty old.  It's been told and retold by a lot of cultures in and around the region of the middle east.  The main point of the story is almost always the same.  The gods, or god, become disappointed with the world and destroys it in a great flood, saving a hero, his family, and animals on a boat.    There are variations on the details but the message is pretty much the same.  






Most of these predate the Noah story.  So most historians think the jews adopted the story from the babylonians.  



































 

 
Link Posted: 2/24/2015 6:25:16 PM EDT
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There was not nearly as many species of animals back then
Link Posted: 2/24/2015 6:27:33 PM EDT
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IBTF

(In before the flood)

+1 in the non-believing camp
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so you're saying that a bunch of new species evolved?
Link Posted: 2/24/2015 6:30:20 PM EDT
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Most of these predate the Noah story.  So most historians think the jews adopted the story from the babylonians.  
 
 
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guess where abraham was born.

go ahead...guess.
Link Posted: 2/24/2015 6:31:11 PM EDT
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From those animals.
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so you're saying that a bunch of new species evolved?
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so you're saying that a bunch of new species evolved?

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I have read the Bible over a hundred times. That doesn't stop fundies from continuing to cherry-pick scripture from the Old Testament out of context to back up their personal views. See: every single same-sex marriage debate.
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I can never remember which parts of the Torah Christians buy and which parts they do not.




Only the parts they agree with. Just look at how Christians treat Leviticus.






I can tell you have not read the Bible.



Jesus came to fulfill the law and the sacrifices of the Old Testament were no longer necessary.



Jesus fulfilled them with his death and resurrection on the cross!



I have read the Bible over a hundred times. That doesn't stop fundies from continuing to cherry-pick scripture from the Old Testament out of context to back up their personal views. See: every single same-sex marriage debate.


It's forbidden in the New Testament as well.
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From those animals.
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There was not nearly as many species of animals back then

so you're saying that a bunch of new species evolved?



So you are on record saying that it is indeed true that one species can evolve into another one? "Macro-evolution" is true?



Is there evidence of this evolution within the genetics of the animals?



What objective criteria can be used to determine how many "original" species there were? Please be extremely specific as to how one can differentiat this from the evidence as would be seen for the common ancestry of all life.





 
Link Posted: 2/24/2015 6:33:21 PM EDT
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Faith = ignorance?

Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see. This is what the ancients were commended for. By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible. By faith Abel brought God a better offering than Cain did. By faith he was commended as righteous, when God spoke well of his offerings. And by faith Abel still speaks, even though he is dead. By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death: “He could not be found, because God had taken him away.” For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God. And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him. By faith Noah, when warned about things not yet seen, in holy fear built an ark to save his family. By his faith he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness that is in keeping with faith. By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going. By faith he made his home in the promised land like a stranger in a foreign country; he lived in tents, as did Isaac and Jacob, who were heirs with him of the same promise. For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God. And by faith even Sarah, who was past childbearing age, was enabled to bear children because she considered him faithful who had made the promise. And so from this one man, and he as good as dead, came descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as countless as the sand on the seashore. All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance, admitting that they were foreigners and strangers on earth. People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own. If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. Instead, they were longing for a better country—a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them. By faith Abraham, when God tested him, offered Isaac as a sacrifice. He who had embraced the promises was about to sacrifice his one and only son, even though God had said to him, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.” Abraham reasoned that God could even raise the dead, and so in a manner of speaking he did receive Isaac back from death. By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau in regard to their future. By faith Jacob, when he was dying, blessed each of Joseph’s sons, and worshiped as he leaned on the top of his staff. By faith Joseph, when his end was near, spoke about the exodus of the Israelites from Egypt and gave instructions concerning the burial of his bones. By faith Moses’ parents hid him for three months after he was born, because they saw he was no ordinary child, and they were not afraid of the king’s edict. By faith Moses, when he had grown up, refused to be known as the son of Pharaoh’s daughter. He chose to be mistreated along with the people of God rather than to enjoy the fleeting pleasures of sin. He regarded disgrace for the sake of Christ as of greater value than the treasures of Egypt, because he was looking ahead to his reward. By faith he left Egypt, not fearing the king’s anger; he persevered because he saw him who is invisible. By faith he kept the Passover and the application of blood, so that the destroyer of the firstborn would not touch the firstborn of Israel. By faith the people passed through the Red Sea as on dry land; but when the Egyptians tried to do so, they were drowned. By faith the walls of Jericho fell, after the army had marched around them for seven days. By faith the prostitute Rahab, because she welcomed the spies, was not killed with those who were disobedient. And what more shall I say? I do not have time to tell about Gideon, Barak, Samson and Jephthah, about David and Samuel and the prophets, who through faith conquered kingdoms, administered justice, and gained what was promised; who shut the mouths of lions, quenched the fury of the flames, and escaped the edge of the sword; whose weakness was turned to strength; and who became powerful in battle and routed foreign armies. Women received back their dead, raised to life again. There were others who were tortured, refusing to be released so that they might gain an even better resurrection. Some faced jeers and flogging, and even chains and imprisonment. They were put to death by stoning; they were sawed in two; they were killed by the sword. They went about in sheepskins and goatskins, destitute, persecuted and mistreated— the world was not worthy of them. They wandered in deserts and mountains, living in caves and in holes in the ground. These were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised, since God had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect. (?Hebrews? ?11?:?1-40? NIV)
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Easily done.  Plenty of room left even.
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