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Clearly, you are using an unauthorized heathen Bible. Everyone knows that God spoke 16th century Swedish. bork bork bork quoth he... And Bork said bork there be bork! And bork there be! Cut that out, it's racist. |
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My faith is strong enough I don't need creation or the flood to be literal and still believe in God. I can see the natural world for what it is and still accept the word and God. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Oh, I know God could do it. I just don't think that He literally did do it. And that's the bottom line. I DO believe that He did it, just as He said. And I don't look for "evidence" of the flood or anything else, as I doubt that there is any. It is a matter of faith. My faith is strong enough I don't need creation or the flood to be literal and still believe in God. I can see the natural world for what it is and still accept the word and God. Even if the the processes we see natural world are all an artificial creation, it's still the study of the Creation.. Were a supreme being to create a unicorn and plop it down in front of us, would it not show all indications of having been born and matured to adulthood, would it not have hairs growing, hooves growing, teeth showing patterns of wear, etc? Would it not have nutrients in its blood and eventually leave a unicorn turd? Is recognizing that some hairs appears older than others, indicating denial of the creation? Would a pious student of said unicorn have to deny that the wear in the teeth indicates age, and instead concoct some crazy "oh the grass it ate right after it was created was unusually rough" explanation? Thats what puzzles me about the bullshitters. Instead of seeing the study of nature as inseparable from the study of God, they see it as an affront, and then turn around and spread blatant falsehoods. That indicates a lack of faith, not the opposite. |
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The Lost Squadron and the Ice Age – Evidence for a recent ice age and how it fits into Biblical history
http://www.searchforthetruth.net/37-the-lost-squadron-and-the-ice-age-evidence-for-a-recent-ice-age-and-how-it-fits-into-biblical-history/ Bill Nye vs Ken Ham Debate http://www.cecwisc.org/InTheNews/bill-nye-ken-ham-debate Living fossils: a powerful argument for creation http://creation.com/werner-living-fossils |
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God is not limited to our finite mind. The world is full of naysayers and critics. I don't believe many minds will be changed in this thread. Omnipotence is something you will lose against every time, both in argument and in life /death:
How is God Omnipotent, Omnipresent, and Omniscient? Many have heard about God, but wonder about His existence, omnipotence, omnipresence, and omniscience. To learn more about this, let's start with the Bible. The Bible teaches: 24 God is Spirit (John 4:24). Because God is spirit, this helps explain why God is omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient. Notice a couple of comments from two books: Both God and the Word (who became Christ) have existed eternally and before all else. From them emanates the Spirit of God, by which God is omnipresent and omniscient. God the Father is the divine Father of the God family, into which truly converted Christians shall be born. (Mystery of the Ages. Dodd, Mead & Company, New York. 1985 ,p. 57) "In the Beginning-GOD" God had to be there first because He made everything that ever was. (Genesis 1: 1.) Probably one of the first things you wonder about God is where He came from. He didn't come from anywhere. He has always existed.' It is hard for us to understand. We must remember that "the secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever" (Deuteronomy 29:29). God always was and He always will be. (Revelation 1:8.) (Wolverton B. RadioCG, 1961, pp. 2-3) God has always existed. Notice also what God's name is: 13 Then Moses said to God, "Indeed, when I come to the children of Israel and say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you,' and they say to me, 'What is His name?' what shall I say to them?" 14 And God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM." And He said, "Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you.'" (Exodus 3:13-15) Before there was a universe, there was God. An article of related interest may be Where Did God Come From? God is Omnipotent and Omnipresent In 2007, Wallace Smith had an article published titled God and the "Three 'O's. It begins with: Is God omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient? In answering such questions, we should always begin with another question: “What does the Bible teach on these matters?” If our beliefs are not rooted in God’s inspired word, they are not beliefs worth having!... Is God Omnipotent? This is, perhaps, the easiest of the three to answer: Yes, God is omnipotent! There is even a verse that, in the King James Version and New King James Version, uses this very word: “Alleluia! For the Lord God Omnipotent reigns!” (Revelation 19:6). The Greek word translated as “Omnipotent” here is pantokrator, meaning “All-ruling” or (as it is more frequently translated) “Almighty.” When we say God is “Almighty,” we are stating our belief in His authority and rulership over all creation, and the Bible is firm in declaring this fact. Even though Satan is now the “god of this age” (2 Corinthians 4:4), it belongs to him only because Almighty God has granted it to Him: “And the devil said to Him, ‘All this authority [over all the kingdoms of this world] I will give You, and their glory; for this has been delivered to me, and I give it to whomever I wish’” (Luke 4:6). It is God who ultimately reigns in the universe, and all legitimate authority must derive from Him. If we let Scripture tell us of God’s authority, we must agree that He has all authority to do all His pleasure (Isaiah 46:10–11), and to see to the fulfillment of His plans without fail. If we accept the Scriptural definition of “almighty”—and we must accept no other!—we can rightly call God omnipotent. Indeed, Christ says clearly that “with God all things are possible” (Matthew 19:26). However, if we were to insist that omnipotent meant God could do anything and everything at all, we would need to reject that description, because His word says He cannot! For example, God “cannot lie” (Titus 1:2), and He “cannot deny Himself” (2 Timothy 2:13). The Bible clearly shows that God cannot act contrary to His nature. But do these “cannots” mean He is not omnipotent—not almighty? Not if we let Scripture define its own terms! There is no limit to the power of God. A search I did in the NKJV revealed that God was referred to as "Almighty" 48 times in the Hebrew scriptures and 9 times in the Greek scriptures, a total of 57 mentions in the Holy Bible. This is a point that God wants humankind to clearly understand. The Bible is clear that God is omnipotent. Notice the following: 5 For I know that the Lord is great, And our Lord is above all gods. 6 Whatever the Lord pleases He does, In heaven and in earth, In the seas and in all deep places. 7 He causes the vapors to ascend from the ends of the earth; He makes lightning for the rain; He brings the wind out of His treasuries. (Psalms 135:5-7) 5 Behold, the nations are as a drop in a bucket, And are counted as the small dust on the scales; Look, He lifts up the isles as a very little thing. 16 And Lebanon is not sufficient to burn, Nor its beasts sufficient for a burnt offering. 17 All nations before Him are as nothing, And they are counted by Him less than nothing and worthless. 18 To whom then will you liken God? Or what likeness will you compare to Him? (Isaiah 40:15-18) The Three 'O's article continued with: Is God Omnipresent? Correctly understood, the question of God’s omnipotence has historically caused little controversy. The term omnipresent, however, has caused more trouble. Basically, being omnipresent means being present everywhere at the same time. Can this term be applied to God? What does Scripture tell us? Ask yourself: is there any physical location in this universe where we can hide from the presence of God? The answer, according to Scripture, is a resounding “No!” In fact, King David posed this question directly, asking: “Where can I go from Your Spirit? Or where can I flee from Your presence? If I ascend into heaven, You are there; if I make my bed in hell [the grave], behold, You are there. If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea, even there Your hand shall lead me, and Your right hand shall hold me” (Psalm 139:7–10). David answers the question beautifully: it is futile to search for a place to hide from the presence of God (and it is unwise to try—just ask Jonah!). In this sense, God’s infallible word shows that He is omnipresent—within His vast creation, there is no place where you can hide from His presence. Still, we must be careful with our terms! Many have tried to twist God’s omnipresence to portray Him as some kind of shapeless “blob”—even though the Bible clearly shows that God has a body and a shape—and it is a shape like ours! Consider Genesis 1:26, which tells us that man is made in God’s image and likeness—words that do convey a sense of shape. We do not use human philosophies to avoid the clear statements of Scripture! Consider, as well, the passage in which God says unambiguously that He has a face, a hand and a back (Exodus 33:18–23)! The only way to understand this passage from Exodus without making a mockery of God’s word is to agree that God has a shape and a body! So, how is God “everywhere”? We already read the answer, in David’s words: “Where can I go from your Spirit?” (Psalm 139:7). It is by their Spirit that the Father and the glorified Christ have complete access to their creation! Through His Spirit, God’s reach extends to every nook and cranny of the universe, and there is—as David wrote—no place to flee from His presence. Yet He still retains a shape—a body—ruling in glory from His throne in heaven. It is from there that “His eyes behold” the sons of men (Psalm 11:4). We must also note that although God is omnipresent through His Spirit, we can become separated from Him. In fact, we are warned, “your iniquities have separated you from your God; and your sins have hidden His face from you, so that He will not hear” (Isaiah 59:2). Jesus Christ experienced this horrible separation during His crucifixion, when on our behalf He took upon Himself the full penalty of our sins (cf. Mark 15:34; Isaiah 53:4–5). The world’s scholars and theologians often have a wrong idea about God’s omnipresence. But if we let God’s flawless word teach us what God’s omnipresence truly means, our footing is made sure. God is everywhere, in the known, and unknown universe. And the Spirit of God is infinite. The article continued with: Is God Omniscient? Having considered God’s omnipotence and His omnipresence, we can address the most troublesome of the “Three ‘O’s”— His omniscience. Is God omniscient? Philosophers and theologians have debated this question over the millennia. Were you to read what the International Standard Bible Encyclopedia says about God’s omniscience, you would find more philosophical gobbledygook than you may have seen in your entire life. So, before we determine whether or not God is omniscient, we need to recognize that the world has some weird and conflicting ideas about what this word means. Why is there so much confusion? The Random House Unabridged Dictionary (2006) offers this definition of omniscient: “having complete or unlimited knowledge, awareness, or understanding; perceiving all things.” That is quite a mouthful; what does it mean to have “complete or unlimited knowledge”? Scholars disagree about what it means, but if we let the lamp of God’s word light our path and guide our steps (Psalm 119:105), we can know the truth of the matter. The Bible tells us that God does perceive all things, which means that no fact can be hidden from His knowledge. As King David recognized: “Indeed, the darkness shall not hide from You, but the night shines as the day; the darkness and the light are both alike to You” (Psalm 139:12). God sees all things, and nothing can be hidden from His knowledge—not even the secret intentions of the heart (Psalm 44:21). In fact, He understands our own intentions better than we do (cf. Jeremiah 17:9-10; Hebrews 4:12)! As Paul explains, “there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account” (Hebrews 4:13). Human beings perceive through the senses, but there are limits to what the senses let us perceive and understand. But God’s senses are not limited like ours! His Spirit searches all things (1 Corinthians 2:10), and nothing is beyond God’s ability to perceive it. In this sense, He is omniscient. Nothing can escape His gaze and His knowledge. If it can be known, He knows it! But if we are to use the word omniscient to describe our Father and His glorified Son, it cannot mean that God knows our every choice before we make it in every circumstance, because Scripture tells us otherwise! For example, the Bible shows that when God gave Abraham the supreme test of sacrificing his son Isaac, He did not know until that moment whether Abraham would choose to obey. Upon seeing his choice, He told Abraham: “Do not lay your hand on the lad, or do anything to him; for now I know that you fear God, since you have not withheld your son, your only son, from Me” (Genesis 22:12). This was one of the most crucial points in the history of faith and in the plan of God! It was a challenge so intense, and involving such faith, that God did not know what choice Abraham would make. Most of the choices we make each day may be rather predictable. Parents with young children can see this for themselves. If a parent can often predict a young child’s choices, how much more can the One who sees all—even the intent of our heart, which we sometimes do not know ourselves—predict our choices? Yet the Bible reveals that God does arrange circumstances to challenge our character— to help us to grow—where the outcome is not so predictable. When we choose, we participate with God in the creation of our character. We have a role to play in God’s creation of His character within us, as He prepares us to become future members of His Family! We should not allow vain philosophy to rob us of this truth. It is not that God cannot determine the future. He can, and He does! We read: “Remember the former things of old, for I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like Me, declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times things that are not yet done, saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, and I will do all My pleasure’” (Isaiah 46:9–10). Yet this passage shows that declaring the end from the beginning is not just a function of “seeing” what is “destined” to happen. Continuing in Isaiah, we read that God acts and intervenes in history to accomplish His ends, “calling a bird of prey from the east, the man who executes My counsel, from a far country. Indeed I have spoken it; I will also bring it to pass. I have purposed it; I will also do it” (v. 11). We can say with confidence that God is omniscient. But we must allow the Bible to define what omniscient means. Let the world’s theologians and philosophers wander from the path of Scripture in their pointless arguments if they choose—we need not follow them! : |
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Since God has always existed.... Why all the sudden are we created and have existed for such a miniscular time period compared to "forever"? Did He suddenly get bored? Lonely? Have there been previous " worlds" created before us? Are we the only ones He created?
It is clear in the Bible that there will be another world created after Revelation.... is that an ongoing process of "worlds"? Where one is created another is destroyed and so on? Serious questions here, questions that's have been bugging me. I am Christian, however its a struggle to take everything in the Bible as literal. I know the answer is to take it by faith....but damn lol it be nice to hear something else. |
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Since God has always existed.... Why all the sudden are we created and have existed for such a miniscular time period compared to "forever"? Did He suddenly get bored? Lonely? Have there been previous " worlds" created before us? Are we the only ones He created? It is clear in the Bible that there will be another world created after Revelation.... is that an ongoing process of "worlds"? Where one is created another is destroyed and so on? Serious questions here, questions that's have been bugging me. I am Christian, however its a struggle to take everything in the Bible as literal. I know the answer is to take it by faith....but damn lol it be nice to hear something else. View Quote There obviously have been an endless succession of worlds, but they're best ignored, like the second and third Matrix movies. |
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The Bible if full of stories that mean more than one thing and sometimes are addressed to more than one generation.
I believe the story of Noah and the flood. I also see similarities to the final judgement and the saving grace of Jesus. ymmv |
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Since God has always existed.... Why all the sudden are we created and have existed for such a miniscular time period compared to "forever"? Did He suddenly get bored? Lonely? Have there been previous " worlds" created before us? Are we the only ones He created? It is clear in the Bible that there will be another world created after Revelation.... is that an ongoing process of "worlds"? Where one is created another is destroyed and so on? Serious questions here, questions that's have been bugging me. I am Christian, however its a struggle to take everything in the Bible as literal. I know the answer is to take it by faith....but damn lol it be nice to hear something else. View Quote Well the Bible can be more of less pinpointed to a certain lapse of time according to the Biblical genealogical record in it. But, where is it that we as Christians are to believe that the earth is as young as it is about 6,000 years and some change? Actually, and as a matter as a matter of record here, we can genealogically date all of the generations from Adam, the first man, to Jesus Christ which was around two thousand years ago. Ok, the Bible says that man was created a whole being, as God blew the His breath of essence into him. Well. that right there is going to stop some from believing from that point for at least two obvious reasons that I can think of. No God, thus no essence of God in order to create the man whole and completed. So, do I believe that man, or that first man looked very similar to what we look like today. Well, I would say somewhat similar, but I think that you might have been able to pick Adam out of a line-up with several other more modern types of individuals fairly easily and so forth. The Bible states that a day IS AS a thousand years and that the reversal of that IS AS a day, or that would be how God might equate time in the eternal places. But, when the earth would have been considered by our best but still lacking methods of testing its age, "new," or during its constructive stage from being as the Bible states, "formless, " or, "void," did time run back then as time works and counts out minutes and hours for us now? Do we really understand enough about time itself even now, to know with any real certainty when time proceeded on the face of the earth as it does now? There are some fairly interesting scientific views out there concerning these things. Now the Bible states also that on a literal day of creation that it was a literal 24 hour time lapse of time to take place according to the ancient Hebrew language word, "day." Well. if it did then that would have been miraculous indeed, but I hypothesize that time ran differently back during the initial creation, because I can also see a much older earth than what many other creationist believe. However, as I do not get caught up much in these sorts of disputes because, in knowing God through His word, it is noted at several thousand years ago that God actually stopped the sun and in, "backed up," for a short period of time, and a couple of other quite amazing anomalies in the word that I hold genuinely to God's account and according to his purpose. Remember here, that God over time, has shown His mysteries, the ones some people call, "miracles," approximately to the same amount of non-believers as the reverse. I believe in closing that a day/age theory is one which should be examined closer, and even concerning the secular science community also. You know, once they figure out exactly what time is in the first place of being though.. |
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Biblical Genealogical Example of Time Occurrences and Record
These are the family records of the descendants of Adam. On the day that God created man (or Adam), He (or God) made him in the likeness of God (or made him in the likeness of One: The Coming Savior; God in Man); He created them male and female. He blessed them (or completed a purpose for them) and called them man. Adam was 130 years old when he fathered a child in his likeness, according to hid image, and named him Seth (or This One Replaces). Adam lived 800 years after the birth of Seth, and he fathered other sons and daughters. So Adam's life lasted 930 years; then he died. Now, Seth was 105 years old when he fathered Enosh. Seth lived 807 years after the birth of Enosh, and he fathered other sons and daughters. Seth's life lasted 912 years; then he died. Enosh was 90 years old when he fathered Kenan. Enosh lived 815 years after the birth of Kenan, and he fathered other sons and daughters. So Enosh's life lasted 905 years; then he died. Kenan was 70 years old when he fathered Mahalalel. Kenan lived 840 years after the birth of Mahalalel, and he fathered other sons and daughters. So Kenan's life lasted 910 years and then he died. Mahalalel was 65 years old when he fathered Jared. Mahalalel lived 830 years after the birth of Jared, and he fathered other sons and daughters. So Mahalalel lasted 895 years; then he died. Jared was 162 years old when he fathered Enoch. Jared lived 800 years after the birth of Enoch, and he fathered other sons and daughters. So Jared's life lasted 962 years; then he died. Enoch was 65 years when he fathered Methuselah, Enoch walked with God 300 years and fathered other sons and daughters. So Enoch's live lasted 365 years. Enoch walked with God, and he was not there (or Enoch was not there because he was translated to the kingdom of God in the state of the still physical living), because God took him. Methuselah was 187 years olds when he fathered Lamech. Methuselah lived 782 years after the birth of Lamech, and he fathered other sons and daughters. So Methuselah lasted 969 years; then he died (and was the oldest man who ever lived). Lamech was 182 years old when he fathered a son. And he named him Noah, saying, "This one will bring us relief (The Hb word translated bring us relief sounds like the name of Noah) from the agonizing labor of our hands, caused by the ground that the LORD has cursed." Lamech lived 595 years after Noah's birth, and he fathered other sons and daughters. So Lamech's life lasted 777 years; and then he died. Noah was 500 years old when he fathered Shem, Ham, and Japheth. Genesis 5: 1-32 The Genealogical Lineage of Seth through Adam to Noah Transcript of Moses |
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Another Example of the Biblical Genealogical Record
As He began His ministry, Jesus was about thirty years old and was thought to be (or people did not know about His virgin birth or immaculate conception; yet) the: Son of Joseph, son of Heli, son of Matthat, son of Levi, son of Melchi, son of Janni, Joseph, Mattathias, Amos, Nahum, Esli, Naggi, Maath, Mattathias, Semein, Josech, Joda, Joanan, Rhesa, Zerubbabel, Shealtiel, Neri, Melchi, Addi, Cosam, Elmadam, Er, Joshua, Eliezer, Jorim, Matthat, Levi, Simeon, Judah, Joseph, Jonam, Eliakim, Melea, Menna, Mattatha, Nathan, David, Jesse, Obed, BOAZ, Salmon, Nahshon, Amminadab, Ram, Hezron, Perez, JUDAH, JACOB, ISACC, ABRAHAM, Terah, Nahor, Serug, Rue, Peleg, Eber, Shelah, Cainan, Arphaxad, Shem, NOAH, Lamech, Methuselah, ENOCH, Jared, Mahalaleel, Cainan, son of Enos, son of SETH, son of Adam, son of God. The Gospel of Saint Luke Luke 3: 23-38 The Presumed Genealogical line of Jesus Christ from Steward Joseph Descending to Originator Adam: Seventy-four Generations |
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LOL false. If you do not believe in stories like the flood you are not a christian. Next you are going to say it is only the "literal fundies" who Think Jesus was GOD incarnate who healed the sick raised the dead and turned water into wine. you know they recently found an underground ocean 3 times bigger than our surface oceans. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/13/hidden-ocean-earth-core-underground-video_n_5491692.html Christians have been saying this for a long time science is just catching up. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Noah's Ark is just another example of how Fundamentalists have hamstrung themselves by a too-literal reading of the book of Genesis, really. Rational Christians could take it as the story of a regional flood (for which there is ample evidence) in the Middle East in prehistory used as a morality tale by the Bible. Instead, literalist Fundamentalists insist on a literal flooding of the Earth beyond the top of the highest mountains with all the physical impossibilities that entails. If you do not believe in stories like the flood you are not a christian. Next you are going to say it is only the "literal fundies" who Think Jesus was GOD incarnate who healed the sick raised the dead and turned water into wine. you know they recently found an underground ocean 3 times bigger than our surface oceans. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/13/hidden-ocean-earth-core-underground-video_n_5491692.html Christians have been saying this for a long time science is just catching up. That's funny, I've always hear from fundamentalists that all that was required was accepting Jesus. Say, does taking the rest of the bible literally count as a good work? |
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How could one take the modern revision of a bible literally? It's changed so many times for so many reasons over the years.
It was understood that parables were an important teaching tool many many years ago, but "modern" people think these parables are true word for word? Crazy... just crazy. |
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How could one take the modern revision of a bible literally? It's changed so many times for so many reasons over the years. It was understood that parables were an important teaching tool many many years ago, but "modern" people think these parables are true word for word? Crazy... just crazy. View Quote Well as I believe that your own premise here is totally in error and flawed, here is where I believe that I will show you why.. First, the same could be stated about secular science in much the same way the way that you deduce that the bible contains error demonstrated by you method. For example, in the earth we have three basic kinds of rock in which we study earth and fossils by radio-carbon dating them correct? Igneous rock. Metamorphic rock. Sedimentary rock. Most all of the fossil record is found in the sedimentary rock deposits which are now, or were way back then mostly adjacent to oceans, inland seas, and waterways correct? It is a widely accepted hypothesis that most archaic or prehistoric animals and plants became fossils initially via a catastrophic event or over time a series of these events in order for the rocks, mineral deposits and the like to flow over them initially, and then to over time form and become a part or section of the total geological subterranean formation correct? |
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Noah's Ark is just another example of how Fundamentalists have hamstrung themselves by a too-literal reading of the book of Genesis, really. Rational Christians could take it as the story of a regional flood (for which there is ample evidence) in the Middle East in prehistory used as a morality tale by the Bible. Instead, literalist Fundamentalists insist on a literal flooding of the Earth beyond the top of the highest mountains with all the physical impossibilities that entails. If you do not believe in stories like the flood you are not a christian. Next you are going to say it is only the "literal fundies" who Think Jesus was GOD incarnate who healed the sick raised the dead and turned water into wine. you know they recently found an underground ocean 3 times bigger than our surface oceans. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/13/hidden-ocean-earth-core-underground-video_n_5491692.html Christians have been saying this for a long time science is just catching up. That's funny, I've always hear from fundamentalists that all that was required was accepting Jesus. Say, does taking the rest of the bible literally count as a good work? In my estimation and understanding yes and no as God gives certain types of teaching and explanation to some, but as it goes with the total purely human view if the Bible isn't fully believed for its truths by some, then it is apparent then, concerning a good percentage of mankind, only a few are able to adapt, cope, and are able to decipher difficult and abstract information that is in the world and by the standards of testing in this world. In reality, most of us are only capable concerning the basic concepts of abstract and critical thinking, as I believe that I somewhat fit into this category also. Jim |
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Quoted: And that's the bottom line. I DO believe that He did it, just as He said. And I don't look for "evidence" of the flood or anything else, as I doubt that there is any. It is a matter of faith. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Oh, I know God could do it. I just don't think that He literally did do it. And that's the bottom line. I DO believe that He did it, just as He said. And I don't look for "evidence" of the flood or anything else, as I doubt that there is any. It is a matter of faith. I totally understand. And I respect the part in red, especially. I have zero argument with someone that takes that position. My argument is with those who use fallacious arguments to demonstrate the existence of evidence that doesn't exist. Since you take it on faith, no evidence is necessary. I believe that the flood story is a metaphor. That does not make it false; it just makes it not literally true. |
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The scoffers and atheists who say there's not enough water on earth to cover the globe in an intentionally God caused flood apparently haven't looked closely at an image of earth from space. Furthermore these uninformed detractors and rock throwers are not aware the land would be covered with up to 2 miles deep in water were the land evenly disbursed vertically (i.e., all at nearly the same elevation). The mountains we see today pushed up after the global flood when pangaea separated and tectonic plates pushed into one another. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cb/Pangaea_continents.svg/220px-Pangaea_continents.svg.png http://www.icr.org/article/did-noahs-flood-cover-himalayan-mountains/ http://creation.com/images/creation_mag/vol30/5938globe.jpg http://creation.com/where-did-all-the-water-go You seem to forget one detail. This was supposed to have happened at some point in the history of mankind when Earth was in its current configuration. No such event has occurred. Where do you get this? nowhere in the Bible does it describe the configuration of the earth...seems to me that comes from what we understand currently about geology. The Bible doesn't speak to "configuration" but if the Earth was inhabited by man it's less than 10,000 years ago from a strict creationist perspective. I don't think anyone believes there has been continental drift during that short time span. Or do they? |
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The scoffers and atheists who say there's not enough water on earth to cover the globe in an intentionally God caused flood apparently haven't looked closely at an image of earth from space. Furthermore these uninformed detractors and rock throwers are not aware the land would be covered with up to 2 miles deep in water were the land evenly disbursed vertically (i.e., all at nearly the same elevation). The mountains we see today pushed up after the global flood when pangaea separated and tectonic plates pushed into one another. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cb/Pangaea_continents.svg/220px-Pangaea_continents.svg.png http://www.icr.org/article/did-noahs-flood-cover-himalayan-mountains/ http://creation.com/images/creation_mag/vol30/5938globe.jpg http://creation.com/where-did-all-the-water-go You seem to forget one detail. This was supposed to have happened at some point in the history of mankind when Earth was in its current configuration. No such event has occurred. Where do you get this? nowhere in the Bible does it describe the configuration of the earth...seems to me that comes from what we understand currently about geology. The Bible doesn't speak to "configuration" but if the Earth was inhabited by man it's less than 10,000 years ago from a strict creationist perspective. I don't think anyone believes there has been continental drift during that short time span. Or do they? Well...there ya go. As I, and other have noted numerous times....We don't know the age of the earth from a biblical perspective..the time line established in the Bible is there for an ancestral lineage. We have zero idea how long Adam and Eve were in the Garden before their fall...and as been mentioned time is ours..not Gods.."with God, a day is like a thousand years...and a thousand years is like a day" in the end..the age of the earth bears very little relevance to my faith anyway. |
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I just wish that the people who believe in this stuff literally could be moved to some other planet.
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I just wish that the people who believe in this stuff literally could be moved to some other planet. lol...you believe differently than I do..so get off my planet.....and you jokers have the nerve to call us intolerant. It's one thing to think differently, but to deny reality? That's dangerous. |
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I just wish that the people who believe in this stuff literally could be moved to some other planet. lol...you believe differently than I do..so get off my planet.....and you jokers have the nerve to call us intolerant. It's one thing to think differently, but to deny reality? That's dangerous. You would know. |
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I just wish that the people who believe in this stuff literally could be moved to some other planet. Just wait. So you're a Mormon now? That's just cold. I wasn't raised to be a pre-tribber, so it took me a long time to realize you were talking about the rapture. |
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IMO matter itself is proof of God's existence. Even if you ignore everything else, matter had to come from a creator.
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12 pages in now so I can't keep up. Have dinosaurs been mentioned yet? eta: Is the story that dinosaurs were indeed on the Ark? View Quote The bible never mentions dinosaurs. Dinosaurs died MILLIONS of years before man. So if you can make up enough BS to put them at the same timeline, you may as well put them on the Ark too. Though a smart creationist would be like, "Nah, they wouldn't fit, that's why they all died off." |
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IMO matter itself is proof of God's existence. Even if you ignore everything else, matter had to come from a creator. If spacetime were completely devoid of matter it wouldn't simplify the origin question at all, except of course we wouldn't be here to ask it. Posting from the Google Image Search screen isn't very friendly to quoting. It also helps if you us e img tags instead of url. Google Image Search gives you the raw Base64 representation of the image itself, not a link to the image. When trying to post an image from GIS, click the 'View Image' button and use that address. |
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IMO matter itself is proof of God's existence. Even if you ignore everything else, matter had to come from a creator. If you study quantum mechanics, you will find that something can come from nothing. Particles pop in and out of existence all the time. Do you realize just how much matter exists in the universe? Just where did it come from? That's not my field, so I can't answer that question. But saying "I don't know" is far more valid than making something up. Even if it was a god, what makes you think it would be the absurd caricature portrayed in the Bible? |
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That's OK. I don't buy the rapture, either. You will when it happens. I plan on telling you, "I told you so." So you don't expect to be Raptured? Of course I do, and I hope my friend Zaphod is too. He can be mistaken about some theological things and still be born again. |
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