Do you even understand the words you're typing? Deep ocean trenches? What?

Path of least resistance would be for it to STAY UNDER GROUND. But not only is there no evidence of a flood of that size covering the world, there is no evidence of water gushing forth from - ??? ocean trenches - bwhaahaha.

lol

You asked a question how would water escape from deep below the earth. You seem not to understand the questions you are asking or you did not expect an answer. I used that as a possibility that at faultiness and deep ocean trenches that lie upon faultiness would be the most likely area that water would come out since there are paths already that go deep into the earth. You say there is no evidence but the trenches themselves very well could of been created by such a subterranean event. You would expect Trenches like the ones we have in the deep oceans to occur from a massive release of deep earth water. BWAHAHAHA


 




 

The scoffers and atheists who say there's not enough water on earth to cover the globe in an intentionally God caused flood apparently haven't looked closely at an image of earth from space.

Furthermore these uninformed detractors and rock throwers are not aware the land would be covered with up to 2 miles deep in water were the land evenly disbursed vertically (i.e., all at nearly the same elevation). The mountains we see today pushed up after the global flood when pangaea separated and tectonic plates pushed into one another.



http://www.icr.org/article/did-noahs-flood-cover-himalayan-mountains/



http://creation.com/where-did-all-the-water-go

You seem to forget one detail. This was supposed to have happened at some point in the history of mankind when Earth was in its current configuration. No such event has occurred.

Bible..... A good book of fairytales.

No, it isn't.

Ummm what? If man wasn't around, what was the point in flooding the earth. Hard to teach Noah a lesson if he wasn't there.

 

The Flood story predates both the Bible and the Torah. Going by the earliest found records of the story (something like 1800 BC) it's actually an ancient Sumerian legend about the god Enil deciding to depopulate the planet, and the god Enki secretly telling Atrahasis to build a boat - which he does, loads it with family and animals, and survives the 7-day-long flood that wipes out the rest of the planet. Following this, Enil and Enki swear an oath to never again use a flood to wipe out humanity.

Math is, unfortunately, trumped by history and human tendency to argue the toss. A byte is, by common convention now, 8 bits, however this was not always the case. In fact, bytes started off as 4 bits, then became 6 bits, then became 7 bits, before finally settling on a fairly standardised 8 bits.



So, who's to say how many bits were in a biblical byte.



 

It's interesting that you say that, because the Roman Catholic Church's position is that the essential message of the Bible is inerrant, but that the Bible as a whole is not necessarily factually and scientifically correct.



I remember attending a very interesting lecture on the subject by a lawyer who went on to become a Catholic priest and studied canon law quite extensively.



 

Darwin was actually a Protestant, though I grant you that's pretty much the same thing. I doubt he "needed to come up" with anything, he just observed things that suggested an alternative viewpoint. Not quite the evil atheist in a white labcoat, cackling and rubbing his hands as he tries to destroy all belief in God.



 

More to chew on for you spacy readers and posters here! Truth seekers are always welcome.

http://vocaroo.com/i/s0tZiaPdNGgr

http://Vocaroo.com/i/s1iFlqgzX7S3

http://Vocaroo.com/i/s0D6ATQpYQGT

http://Vocaroo.com/i/s1RxqKXL0V7N

http://Vocaroo.com/i/s13JtvMOJLAj

http://Vocaroo.com/i/s1wyBr0OUZ6F

By new matierial being spewed up from deep below the earth. Example mount Saint helens whale back that is growing right now it won't have sea life fossils because it is all new formations from mostly in that past decade and new rock formations push up every day. but nice try

How am I redefining geology go to Washington state it is an observable fact.

 

You just defined JDtalon to a "t."

At least Bondmen is entertaining.

Mountains form from two plates pushing against each other and pushing the rock up. Mt St Helen's isn't a mountain, it's a volcano. Volcanoes do form from new molten rock pushing up from the earth. But most mountains are NOT volcanoes.

This is geology 101, dude.

They've rationalized talking snakes, magic carpenters and a loving god who sends people to hell.  Rationalizing a global flood is nothing.

Where do you get this?   nowhere in the Bible does it describe the configuration of the earth...seems to me that comes from what we understand currently about geology.

OK - I listened to the youtube video posted by SAE... ugh. What is sad is this guy seems to know many of the facts, and then proceeds to construct pure fantasy with his "explanation" - one that he admits many Creationists might not agree with. I just jotted down some notes and the counter points. He actually gives a partial history of early geology that shows the two camps of thought - what we see arriving from a slow process vs catastrophic events.

First off, as I said before, early geology presumed that there was a world wide flood and looked for evidence of it.

He mentions that there would have been vulcanism at work during the flood - but vulcanism leaves LOTS of evidence to study. There is nothing out there to support the flood.

He said the surface would have been obliterated - which is true. The pressure alone from that much water would crush anything on land. I highly doubt any plant material could have survived and if it did we are talking very small amounts that would take a long time to repopulate the earth. What would the animals eat?

On the ark he mentions dinosaurs. Never mind that dinosaurs lived MILLIONS of years before man, and there are no fossil of anything but small primates found at the time of the dinosaurs. Anyway - he says dinosaurs were smaller before the flood - though he himself admits there is no evidence of that. He goes on to say that Cretaceous dinosaurs were large, but the ones from the Jurassic were small. While it is true the AVERAGE size of a dinosaur is about a sheep size, Bracheosaurs lived during the Jurassic and was 43 tons. Anyway he gave a fancy name to his theory about dinosaurs being smaller, stunted, and not reproducing right before the flood - which is all pure fantasy.

He goes on to say that they didn't have to load every single SPECIES on the Ark - just each KIND. WHAT? He said new species appeared after the flood. Sooooo how the hell would we have that happen? Another round of creation or, dare I say, evolution?

He then starts to talk about the geological column and how fossils are laid down. He seems to get the progression of fossil evidence - simpler life forms in the sea, slowly reaching out to land, eventually we have plants, mammals, birds, etc. He even agrees there were mass extinctions. I don't know how he explains the fact that you wont find a t-rex during the Cambrian era, even though he he acknowledges the existence of the various eras repeatedly.

Oh he attacks the Cambrian era because of the explosion of life. Where did that all come from? First off that lasted 100 million years. It didn't just happen one day. Second there was live before the Cambrian, but it didn't leave hard shells to find, so the fossil record before that time is very rare. But that doesn't mean there wasn't more complex life in the sea that was soft bodied that evolved shells later. Anyway, let's say the Cambrian did happen from creation, it was all sea life. The were no land animals and plant, no mammals or birds. So how did they get here? Another round of creation?

So then he starts to go into HIS theory. One that he admits Creationists might not agree with. He things between the per-cambrian and Cambrian eras is when the flood happened. He said all fossils are from after the flood. Why the hell he thinks that, I dunno. Why wouldn't there be fossils from before the flood?

So the reason we see the fossils in the layers we do is from the recolonization of earth after the flood. The sea life thrived first. The egg laying animals like reptiles and dinosaurs were next. He even admits there were at first no land creatures in the fossil record, but that is because it took time for them to reclaim the land, and the reason you see the reptiles and dinosaurs first is because they reproduced faster and spread out quicker, citing that an elephant has a 2 year gestation period.

HAHA - ok- what about rabbits, mice, rats, chickens, pigs, etc. All of those animals reproduce often and quickly. Chickens even lay eggs like dinosaurs (well, birds are dinosaurs, technically). It makes zero sense. If they had let out all the animals back on land, you would find elephant and dinosaur bones in the same layers. You do not.

Of course his theory also depends on the massive layers of rocks some time hundreds of yard deep, are only 4000 years old. If rock formed that quickly, we would observe that process today. New rock layers would be evident every year, like a tree ring.

He ended with a really weak attack about radio dating rock in the Grand Canyon. Basically he is cherry picking anomalies and saying that discredits the method entirely.

So really, it was a bunch of drivel. His "hypothesis" is easily shot full of holes. Honestly my 8 year old could have come up with a better theory. As I said this guy is super sad because he not only knows many of the facts, he intentionally ignores them and then come up with a non-biblical fantasy that tries to make the observations line up with the story.

. . . you know, sometimes the stupid level makes my head hurt. . .
Believe what you want, but do not ask me what God is going to think of me because I chose to use my God given power of reason and thought to make educated guesses and develop and understanding of the world around me rather than believing blindly in the word of scripture. God will judge men on their character rather than their beliefs. There are good men and women of every belief set, and I refuse to think that those who may not have even had the opportunity to hear of Jesus Christ will be punished because they choose to believe in another code of conduct to direct their morality.

Go back to believing in your 6000 year old earth, God creating everything in 7 days, and your floods if that is what helps you sleep soundly in your bed at night, however I believe more than just blind faith is needed for salvation and saying you believe in the word of God while not showing it in your life will not save you.

I'd be Super-sad too if I could make money telling people any old bullshit that they wanted to hear, getting paid to attend conventions or getting advertising revenue from Youtube...



 

well...quit fucking around and get back to work on colapocalypse.

You automatically get bonus points because you'd have a foreign accent.  The trick is to lose all sense of morality and run with it. People will line up to pay anyone who tells them what they want to hear.

This is my last post in this thread.

You cannot apply human limitations and understanding to your theories on God.


He created all things. Think about that a minute. Matter itself was created by Him.


A global flood is nothing to Him. Whatever He wants He can create. He is God and we are not. Nothing is impossible.

In other words, supernatural magic which leaves no evidence behind that it happened.

The issue is trying to assert there is geological evidence where there is not. Asserting it was a miracle, despite acknowledging that the evidence points differently, is one thing.  The high order BS surrounding the "Creation Science" movement is something completely different.

Strictly speaking, yes, that is entirely within His power.

That said, I don't think He plays games like that...

That theory is at odds with the attempt to "prove" that there was a global flood as described in Genesis.  If it's supernatural magic, then you just have to take it on faith. Attempting to prove that it happened is the exact opposite of that.

Edit: Or, basically what Bohr said better.

Noah and his family spoke with an English accent and Rock-Monsters build the Ark for him...  I know, I saw the movie.

Same thing with Moses.  Moses brought down the 10 Commandments and the 2nd Admendment.  I saw that movie too.

In all seriousness, I think there is also a Native American story involving a global flood.  Something I would have to look up to see specifically.

No Moses brought down 15 commandments but accidentally dropped one tables so it became 10.  I saw that movie.

The whole New Testament is suspect.  The Bible starts off with proper foreign names.  Hosea, Habakkuk, Shadrach, Meshach, etc.  
Then we get to the New Testament and it's all Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Peter.  English names.  Like it was invented by a bunch of English speakers.

Myths about floods are prevalent in many cultures. Certainly there have been large floods in the past. Probably thousands in the time man has been on earth. None of them were global.

Of course how could any other global flood story be used to back up the one in Genesis? They would have been wiped out with the flood and never passed down the story.

You must have a fake bible, the names are completely different from the ones in mine.

This.

Yes, we can, because you do it all the time.
Without placing human limitations and understanding to your god, you can't have your religion.
"God cannot lie" or "god cannot do evil" or "the bible must be literal" or "god was always there" or "god wasn't caused" or "god can't change his mind" or any number of things religions assert is placing huge limitations on god based on your fallible human understanding, whether you realize it or not.
 

Clearly, you are using an unauthorized heathen Bible.

Everyone knows that God spoke 16th century Swedish.

bork bork bork quoth he...

My faith is strong enough I don't need creation or the flood to be literal and still believe in God. I can see the natural world for what it is and still accept the word and God.

And Bork said bork there be bork! And bork there be!

What about blinking the wicked people out of existence?