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My little note. Shot from the hip, not a lot of time. Anyway:

I have been a police officer for two decades. I’ve been a member of a special response/ entry team. I’ve been trained as a police armorer. I’ve been a crime scene investigator and I am trained to evaluate and process shooting scenes. I’ve been a competition shooter and handloader for almost 20 years. I have a unique perspective on the proposed ban on M855-type ammunition based on my training and experience. My occupation gives me the RIGHT to comment, since I am one of those it is claimed the ban will protect.

In order to understand what effect this ban will have on the safety of police, we must first understand the body armor that is commonly in use today, as well as the capabilities of the projectile in question. The most prevalent form of bullet-resistant vest in use today is NIJ level IIIa soft armor. This armor is designed to protect against pistol-calibre cartridges commonly encountered by police. Level IIIa armor is not designed to protect against ANY rifle-calibre rounds. Any conventional lead-cored rifle projectile will penetrate level IIIa body armor. It makes ABSOLUTELY no difference if an officer is shot with an M855-type projectile or a lead-core projectile. Both will penetrate the front and back armor panels. It is also generally accepted that the lead-cored M193-type projectile has measurably greater penetration at close range than the M855 projectile due to higher velocity. Given this, the statement that the banning of M855 ammunition is in the interest of law enforcement safety is simply untrue.

Next, we must look at the projectile itself –does it meet the definition of “armor piercing” as found in 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(17)(B):
(B)  The term “armor piercing ammunition” means—  
(i)  a projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and which is constructed entirely (excluding the presence of traces of other substances) from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper or depleted uranium; or  
(ii)  a full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25 percent of the total weight of the projectile.
The M855/SS109 projectile core is made up of two parts, a small steel cap at the tip of the projectile and a substantially larger lead portion. This core is enclosed by a guilding metal jacket. The question is if this construction fits within either definition, and it does not. The core of the M855/SS109 is substantially lead, with only a small portion being steel. The core is NOT entirely made up of steel (or any of the other proscribed metals). The M855/SS109 projectile is, in fact, a .22 calibre bullet (equal in diameter to a .22lr projectile), but was never designed or intended for use in handguns and has a jacket substantially lighter than 25% of projectile weight. BATFE agrees that section ii is not at issue, and relies on an improper and incomplete interpretation of section i to support banning the ammunition. Further, BATFE consistently relies on a flawed interpretation of “sporting purposes” that we have seen twisted and bent to further political agendas.

How does banning M855-type ammunition affect the public and the industry? M855-type ammunition is generally used for practice and competition, as well as self-defense. M855-type ammunition is produced on the same machinery and uses the same components as military ammunition, so the shooting public benefits from “production inertia”, reducing the cost of ammunition for public consumption. Lower production costs means increased profitability for the industry.
Again, I wish to point out that the banning of M855-type ammunition will have NO EFFECT on officer safety. To claim otherwise is to lie. NO rifle cartridge fired from a pistol can be stopped by protective vests in common use by law enforcement. Projectile construction is irrelevant regarding rifle cartridges. The M855 does NOT meet the definition BATFE is attempting to use in support of a ban. The definition of “sporting purposes” used by BATFE is fatally flawed by political sophistry. To ban M855 will result in unnecessary litigation and hostility towards law enforcement by the general public. You will be CREATING a hostile environment for police for NO actual gain. This is a mistake to even consider.



EDIT: I'm also forwarding this to ol' Joe Wilson and a number of others. Have we thought of possibly threatening a 1983 action against BATFE agents involved in the creation and implementation of this nonsense? Would be a GREAT thing to do to hold the individuals responsible for their stupidity.

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The 223 chamber is slightly smaller its a tighter shoulder/neck area, the 556 is made to looser tolerances so they can run up tight in the 223 chamber

that coupled with slightly higher pressures can lead to overpressure problems as we3ll as the mentioned difficult extractions, 223 Wilde is a longer

chamber and is generally considered safe for 5.56.

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Is there any way of finding out if any police officers in the US has been shot with green tip during the commission of a crime? If so how many , when etc.?

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Is there any way of finding out if any police officers in the US has been shot with green tip during the commission of a crime? If so how many , when etc.?

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eat it all up  


http://gun-deals.com/list/ammo/.223%252F5.56

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If/when this goes into effect I wonder if the ATF will give warning, for example say the sale/manufacture of M855 must stop by this date. Otherwise I see lots of places being stuck with product they can't sell.

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Why are all types of 223 and 556 selling out?

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If/when this goes into effect I wonder if the ATF will give warning, for example say the sale/manufacture of M855 must stop by this date. Otherwise I see lots of places being stuck with product they can't sell.

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I wanted to be able to sell my green tip off and rotate in to m193, but guys are bare-necking that too? Shit.

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I'm sure I'm not the only one praying that this current panic will take pressure off .22LR and let me get my mitts on some.

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Ok I guess I could do this. I tried the link and it asks for a Login ID and password?

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I don't understand why people are panic buying all the Wolf steel cased ammo?

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Maybe somebody mentioned this already...

Maybe in my moment of clarity at this early hour...

Instead of banning M855 ammo for EVERYBODY, why not just make it illegal to shoot it through AR pistols?

Of course, it would be nearly impossible to enforce.

A person would have to do something really stupid to get caught.

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Maybe somebody mentioned this already...



Maybe in my moment of clarity at this early hour...



Instead of banning M855 ammo for EVERYBODY, why not just make it illegal to shoot it through AR pistols?



Of course, it would be nearly impossible to enforce.



A person would have to do something really stupid to get caught.

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Yup...

On another note supplies of M193 are drying up...reloading components are going to be next...

I am so fucking irritated over this situation it makes me sick to think about it..

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LOL people panicking and buying up all the Wolf steel cased ammo too. Everyone needs to calm down.
http://sgammo.com/catalog/rifle-ammunition/223-556mm

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I wanted to be able to sell my green tip off and rotate in to m193, but guys are neckbearding that too? Shit.