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Posted: 2/11/2015 6:44:03 PM EDT
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Madison police issued a statement on Monday saying they received a call early Friday about a man looking in garages among the brick homes just south of the city's new high school. "The caller, who lives in the neighborhood did not recognize the subject and thought him to be suspicious," reads the statement released by police. The 911 tapes should clear this up. Txl And apparently they have video. Why hasn't it been released? 
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Posted: 2/11/2015 6:45:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh my... we wouldn't want any INJUSTICE to happen!!! At least not to the poor officer... Btw... do I seem "angry" in this thread??? Well I AM!! This is getting beyond ridiculous. I work with over a hundred PD officers and if I knew of any of them to abuse their power like this... they'd never get a helping hand from me again. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: "Thank you for taking the time to email our department and share your concerns. As the Chief of Police and community member, I am equally concerned about the incident. I have instructed the Office of Professional Standard's Lieutenant to conduct a thorough investigation into the entire incident. I understand everyone's desire for immediate action, but that would be reckless, and could potentially lead to injustice. I respectfully request your patience while we investigate this incident. When the investigation is complete, we will be open and transparent with our findings."  Oh my... we wouldn't want any INJUSTICE to happen!!! At least not to the poor officer... Btw... do I seem "angry" in this thread??? Well I AM!! This is getting beyond ridiculous. I work with over a hundred PD officers and if I knew of any of them to abuse their power like this... they'd never get a helping hand from me again. We be a fickle bunch here....we were all for not passing judgment on that cop in Furgeson - until the grand jury reached their conclusions. One side to the story and all that jazz. Now we sound like Al Sharpton demanding the cop be sacrificed before the incident has even been investigated.  If it's proven that the cop was wrong, he should be fired and held personally liable for civil damages......IF.  |
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Posted: 2/11/2015 6:45:56 PM EDT
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http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2015/02/indian_citizen_stopped_by_madi.html Posted without comment. No crime had been committed. Madison Police on Monday issued a statement saying the department had suspended the officer and were investigating the use of force in this case. The police statement wished the man a "speedy recovery." wait. let me guess. with pay? |
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Posted: 2/11/2015 6:54:18 PM EDT
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The definition of "resisting" is rapidly becoming meaningless. Also, Is training in departments really so poor that officers can't even recognize the existence of a language barrier? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So the officers were called to investigate a burglary suspect, made contact, attempted a terry frisk and he resisted. The definition of "resisting" is rapidly becoming meaningless. Also, Is training in departments really so poor that officers can't even recognize the existence of a language barrier? I have been around six decades, was hired by a police force in '73 but turned it down at the last minute for what I thought at the time a more promising future in private business. (I was wrong). But, more and more I see stories like this I wonder where the police in general derailed. I still have the utmost respect for them, but no longer trust them, and that is very sad. |
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Posted: 2/11/2015 6:58:59 PM EDT
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The shit you people will defend is incredible. Oh perfect so you've seen the video of the incident! Please tell us all what really happened since you have first hand knowledge. |
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Posted: 2/11/2015 7:03:39 PM EDT
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I have been around six decades, was hired by a police force in '73 but turned it down at the last minute for what I thought at the time a more promising future in private business. (I was wrong). But, more and more I see stories like this I wonder where the police in general derailed. I still have the utmost respect for them, but no longer trust them, and that is very sad. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So the officers were called to investigate a burglary suspect, made contact, attempted a terry frisk and he resisted. The definition of "resisting" is rapidly becoming meaningless. Also, Is training in departments really so poor that officers can't even recognize the existence of a language barrier? I have been around six decades, was hired by a police force in '73 but turned it down at the last minute for what I thought at the time a more promising future in private business. (I was wrong). But, more and more I see stories like this I wonder where the police in general derailed. I still have the utmost respect for them, but no longer trust them, and that is very sad. Derailed? Please. When I first pinned on tin, my uncle, a 40+ year cop, asked me 2 questions. Do you wear your vest every day? Do you need a throw down? Cops have changed for the better a whole lot. The big difference is that it's so much easier to see the bad cops now than it was back then. |
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Posted: 2/11/2015 7:07:02 PM EDT
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Oh perfect so you've seen the video of the incident! Please tell us all what really happened since you have first hand knowledge. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The shit you people will defend is incredible. Oh perfect so you've seen the video of the incident! Please tell us all what really happened since you have first hand knowledge. LOL |
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Posted: 2/11/2015 7:08:11 PM EDT
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All Indians around here are named Patel.
It's the Smith of the brown curry people. A gas station I visit every morning to buy my biscuit, Marlboro reds in the box, and 60ozs of Redbulls from is owned by a Patel. Very nice guy and treats customers like gold. |
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Posted: 2/11/2015 7:11:35 PM EDT
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Where's the video?
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Posted: 2/11/2015 7:24:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why hasn't it been released? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Madison police issued a statement on Monday saying they received a call early Friday about a man looking in garages among the brick homes just south of the city's new high school. "The caller, who lives in the neighborhood did not recognize the subject and thought him to be suspicious," reads the statement released by police. The 911 tapes should clear this up. Txl And apparently they have video. Why hasn't it been released? Because as soon as the word LAWSUIT is used, there is no reason or obligation to release it. If I were the city's attorney, I would highly recommend the did not release. |
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Posted: 2/11/2015 7:29:30 PM EDT
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Because as soon as the word LAWSUIT is used, there is no reason or obligation to release it.If I were the city's attorney, I would highly recommend the did not release. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Madison police issued a statement on Monday saying they received a call early Friday about a man looking in garages among the brick homes just south of the city's new high school. "The caller, who lives in the neighborhood did not recognize the subject and thought him to be suspicious," reads the statement released by police. The 911 tapes should clear this up. Txl And apparently they have video. Why hasn't it been released? Because as soon as the word LAWSUIT is used, there is no reason or obligation to release it.If I were the city's attorney, I would highly recommend the did not release. Why's that? |
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Posted: 2/11/2015 7:34:02 PM EDT
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Wrong, if anyone is to blame it is the local electorate. You have the local law enforcement you vote for. The Sheriff is elected. The police chief works for the mayor, who is elected. Don't want no-knocks? Don't want to be shot for making a furtive movement? Don't want police to conduct terry frisks? Whatever else the popo do that violates your actual or perceived rights? Elect a new mayor who will institute these changes, with the penalties you want to see. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A brown guy who didn't even speak English walking around in nice white neighborhood...probably wearing those cheap sandal. What did he expect the police to do...kiss him on the cheek? If he just stayed in the house with the curtain closed nothing would have happened.
my office is in Madison where this happened. Its a suburb of Huntsville Al (new Remington home) and is full of engineers and technical people. lots of Japanese, Arab, Indian and many other nationalities are all over this town. im sure the language barrier had a bit to do with it but so did the foreigners ignorance of American police instructions and tactics. Did the officer take it to far and use too much force on an old man, probably but he is not 100% at fault if the old man isnt responding to commands and digging in his pockets. pretty crappy situation all around with several factors that led to this incident. Wrong....he is 100% to blame. Not immediately responding because of a language barrier / and or "digging in one's pockets" does not constitute the need for massive force. But hey, maybe you are like the guy in the thread yesterday who thinks that as long as you are suspected of doing something wrong, the constitution no longer applies, you lose your rights, and as long as you have a badge, you get to kick their teeth in when you feel like it. Wrong, if anyone is to blame it is the local electorate. You have the local law enforcement you vote for. The Sheriff is elected. The police chief works for the mayor, who is elected. Don't want no-knocks? Don't want to be shot for making a furtive movement? Don't want police to conduct terry frisks? Whatever else the popo do that violates your actual or perceived rights? Elect a new mayor who will institute these changes, with the penalties you want to see. Do that and you just might get Patel'd. |
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Posted: 2/11/2015 7:35:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why's that? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The 911 tapes should clear this up. Txl And apparently they have video. Why hasn't it been released? Because as soon as the word LAWSUIT is used, there is no reason or obligation to release it.If I were the city's attorney, I would highly recommend the did not release. Why's that? there's no pro to releasing it. Make a statement, provide a copy to the plaintiff's attorney, and wait for trial. You'll notice 95% of the time, it's the plaintiff's attorney that releases video. |
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Posted: 2/11/2015 7:39:05 PM EDT
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I had an engineering professor named Patel. Nobody could understand anything he said. At one point, we tried writing a Patel-to-English dictionary. Ex: "Pleebedeeded" = Please be seated Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Odd reading a story with a "Patel" that didn't involve fraud, or medical malpractice. 
A doctor named Patel saved my son's life when the white guys gave up. I had an engineering professor named Patel. Nobody could understand anything he said. At one point, we tried writing a Patel-to-English dictionary. Ex: "Pleebedeeded" = Please be seated I had a Nigerian fluid mechanics professor.............. Really nice guy but impossible to understand 99% of the time. |
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Posted: 2/11/2015 7:40:29 PM EDT
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Unfortunately if there is one thing I have learned on this site, it's that this is true. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Blue Wall goes up in 3...2...1 Unfortunately if there is one thing I have learned on this site, it's that this is true. One thing I've learned on this site is that GD will make knee jerk reactions w/o any legitimate basis. Be interesting to hear/see the tapes. |
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Posted: 2/11/2015 7:41:56 PM EDT
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A morning constitutional is a way of life for folks from India and the Orient. I see both in droves in the early morning when I go to the NOVA burbs to the yard sales.
Fucking hicks. 
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Posted: 2/11/2015 7:43:18 PM EDT
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If he's fresh off the plane from India then "out for a walk" probably translates into "dropping a deuce" on a neighbor's front lawn.
The nation of India is as a whole, entirely unaware of the concept of indoor plumbing. Good maiming. |
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Posted: 2/11/2015 7:43:58 PM EDT
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im sure the language barrier had a bit to do with it but so did the foreigners ignorance of American police instructions and tactics. Did the officer take it to far and use too much force on an old man, probably but he is not 100% at fault if the old man isnt responding to commands and digging in his pockets.
Justify all you want. A non-violent old man who committed no crime is paralyzed because of shit training and bully-culture. I'm sick of hearing about whose fault it isn't. Please provide back up to your statement. Was he charged with a crime? Were the police conducting an investigation? |
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Posted: 2/11/2015 7:44:06 PM EDT
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Sadly, LEO's wages are paid by the citizens they 'serve'. As someone pointed out in another web site, some how, some where and at some time, the term 'peace officer' changed to 'law enforcement officer' which is telling in itself. Lucky for us where we live, we are lucky to see a county sheriff once yearly (and if we are really lucky it may take an hour if we need one) which lead to 'taking care of business' locally which seems to work for us ............
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Posted: 2/11/2015 7:45:45 PM EDT
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How do you know anything you just said is true? You couldn't possibly know that the guy was "non-violent" unless you were there or you've seen some video that we haven't seen yet. Please provide back up to your statement. Did he assault anyone before he was assaulted? No. That's "non-violent". Are police allowed to use reasonable force? |
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Posted: 2/11/2015 7:46:12 PM EDT
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Odd reading a story with a "Patel" that didn't involve fraud, or medical malpractice.
A doctor named Patel saved my son's life when the white guys gave up. I had an engineering professor named Patel. Nobody could understand anything he said. At one point, we tried writing a Patel-to-English dictionary. Ex: "Pleebedeeded" = Please be seated 
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Posted: 2/11/2015 7:46:52 PM EDT
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And apparently they have video. Why hasn't it been released? IAB investigation. |
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Posted: 2/11/2015 7:47:59 PM EDT
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We be a fickle bunch here....we were all for not passing judgment on that cop in Furgeson - until the grand jury reached their conclusions. One side to the story and all that jazz. Now we sound like Al Sharpton demanding the cop be sacrificed before the incident has even been investigated.
If it's proven that the cop was wrong, he should be fired and held personally liable for civil damages......IF.
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"Thank you for taking the time to email our department and share your concerns. As the Chief of Police and community member, I am equally concerned about the incident. I have instructed the Office of Professional Standard's Lieutenant to conduct a thorough investigation into the entire incident. I understand everyone's desire for immediate action, but that would be reckless, and could potentially lead to injustice. I respectfully request your patience while we investigate this incident. When the investigation is complete, we will be open and transparent with our findings."
Oh my... we wouldn't want any INJUSTICE to happen!!! At least not to the poor officer... Btw... do I seem "angry" in this thread??? Well I AM!! This is getting beyond ridiculous. I work with over a hundred PD officers and if I knew of any of them to abuse their power like this... they'd never get a helping hand from me again. Now we sound like Al Sharpton demanding the cop be sacrificed before the incident has even been investigated.
If it's proven that the cop was wrong, he should be fired and held personally liable for civil damages......IF.
But you're missing my point here... regardless of the VICTIM'S response... unless he flat-out attacked the officer he shouldn't have sustained these serious of injuries during the encounter. We've been trained to ask "did he have it coming?". Seriously... we've slid off the edge here and unless this guy assaulted the officer, he should have a BIG payday coming and the officer should be criminally prosecuted. |
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Posted: 2/11/2015 7:49:02 PM EDT
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Well, what else could the PD say about the incident? they have to protect their own..its human nature....So if you run into a person who is obviously not typical white american..who can't talk a word of english, shows no signs of understanding english, and reaches in his pockets(think maybe just maybe he was after both his ID and the paper that had his sons address on it)..and your first instinct is to go hands on and destroy him? And you can't even after the fact reason out to even a "well, maybe, just maybe we over reacted just a little bit" I just don't understand why many of you ever became cops to begin with, nor why you continue to do it..the fear some show in trying to do the job is mind boggling....... Seriously? Even a text book take down can result in injury. Or the "suspect" can stand up and walk away. We have no idea what actually happened that resulted in the guy's hospitalization. |
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Posted: 2/11/2015 7:49:47 PM EDT
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Are police allowed to use reasonable force? Whose definition of "reasonable" should we accept? The guy to did the beating, or the guy who got beaten? |
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Posted: 2/11/2015 7:50:49 PM EDT
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Protected and served the fuck out of him. Jesus Yup... |
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Posted: 2/11/2015 7:50:55 PM EDT
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If he's fresh off the plane from India then "out for a walk" probably translates into "dropping a deuce" on a neighbor's front lawn. The nation of India is as a whole, entirely unaware of the concept of indoor plumbing. Good maiming. What in the hell is this SHIT??? Had better be sarcasm... |
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Posted: 2/11/2015 7:50:58 PM EDT
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Some North AL law enforcement agencies have had several very serious incidents and allegations recently. This is not the first local news story to make national headlines. I’m not sure what in the hell is going on in these police departments, but some of their employees clearly have serious ethical, anger and ego problems.
A while back, one of the local cops damn near beat a guy to death over what looks like a payback for a bar fight that happened off duty. A local man and friend of the victim was starting a protest against the local police dept and this abuse, he ended up murdered, hit man style. AL.com did a multipart story about this murder; it was like a real life version of a Lifetime movie of the week. There were even claims of a local SWAT team intimidating citizens and a local business not to talk and police lying under oath. I don’t remember all the details, but the entire situation was a train wreck. It caused a huge shit storm here and a lot of mistrust with local LEOs. The last I heard, the FBI is still investigating all of this mess. I drive by the murder victims house all the time, it still pisses me off knowing that guy was trying to do something right and just help his friend and it looks like he was murdered for it. His protest signs and grandstand are still up in his front yard. 
I can’t find the link to the multipart story, but these articles paint a pretty nasty tale.... http://whnt.com/2014/07/31/madison-county-sheriffs-office-settles-lawsuit-with-man-badly-beaten-after-arrest/ http://www.waff.com/story/23905589/man-found-dead-in-yard-murder-investigation-underway http://blog.al.com/wire/2014/02/three_months_later_klonowski_k.html |
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Posted: 2/11/2015 7:51:55 PM EDT
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A morning constitutional is a way of life for folks from India and the Orient. I see both in droves in the early morning when I go to the NOVA burbs to the yard sales. Fucking hicks. And more pearls. The "Orient"? What are you, like 100 years old? |
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Posted: 2/11/2015 7:53:02 PM EDT
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The definition of "resisting" is rapidly becoming meaningless. Also, Is training in departments really so poor that officers can't even recognize the existence of a language barrier? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So the officers were called to investigate a burglary suspect, made contact, attempted a terry frisk and he resisted. The definition of "resisting" is rapidly becoming meaningless. Also, Is training in departments really so poor that officers can't even recognize the existence of a language barrier? Mexican gang members around here claim to only speak Spanish - should I treat a burglary suspect wearing all red or all blue with kid gloves? |
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Posted: 2/11/2015 7:56:04 PM EDT
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How do you know anything you just said is true? You couldn't possibly know that the guy was "non-violent" unless you were there or you've seen some video that we haven't seen yet. Please provide back up to your statement. Did he assault anyone before he was assaulted? No. That's "non-violent". Are police allowed to use reasonable force? Yes. Police are allowed to use reasonable force. What is reasonable? I say that when there is no crime then NO FORCE is the reasonable amount of force. |
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Posted: 2/11/2015 7:56:11 PM EDT
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Yes. That's it entirely and exactly. It's exactly like the time I stopped a car that was slinking around my city at 3 AM on a Thursday night. Turns out it was a French family that got lost looking for their hotel near Disney Land. Lucky for them that the French know how to be properly afraid of cops and that they spoke barely enough English to understand, "Drive that way for 5 miles. Look for the mouse on the left." I should have dragged them fucking furiners out of the car for a proper lesson in welcome to America because they took too long pulling over to the curb. Fuck Bama. There's more to policing than just jerking people around because they are twitchy. Totality of circumstances and all that. Of course it's easier to just say respect mah authoritay and slam a fucker to the ground. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So the officers were called to investigate a burglary suspect, made contact, attempted a terry frisk and he resisted. Yes. That's it entirely and exactly. It's exactly like the time I stopped a car that was slinking around my city at 3 AM on a Thursday night. Turns out it was a French family that got lost looking for their hotel near Disney Land. Lucky for them that the French know how to be properly afraid of cops and that they spoke barely enough English to understand, "Drive that way for 5 miles. Look for the mouse on the left." I should have dragged them fucking furiners out of the car for a proper lesson in welcome to America because they took too long pulling over to the curb. Fuck Bama. There's more to policing than just jerking people around because they are twitchy. Totality of circumstances and all that. Of course it's easier to just say respect mah authoritay and slam a fucker to the ground. All we have right now is the version from the son & family lawyer. There take on the "totality of the circumstances" might be a bit different than the officers. Maybe the cops fucked up, maybe they didn't. |
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Posted: 2/11/2015 7:59:21 PM EDT
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Some North AL law enforcement agencies have had several very serious incidents and allegations recently. This is not the first local news story to make national headlines. I’m not sure what in the hell is going on in these police departments, but some of their employees clearly have serious ethical, anger and ego problems. A while back, one of the local cops damn near beat a guy to death over what looks like a payback for a bar fight that happened off duty. A local man and friend of the victim was starting a protest against the local police dept and this abuse, he ended up murdered, hit man style. AL.com did a multipart story about this murder; it was like a real life version of a Lifetime movie of the week. There were even claims of a local SWAT team intimidating citizens and a local business not to talk and police lying under oath. I don’t remember all the details, but the entire situation was a train wreck. It caused a huge shit storm here and a lot of mistrust with local LEOs. The last I heard, the FBI is still investigating all of this mess. I drive by the murder victims house all the time, it still pisses me off knowing that guy was trying to do something right and just help his friend and it looks like he was murdered for it. His protest signs and grandstand are still up in his front yard.
I can’t find the link to the multipart story, but these articles paint a pretty nasty tale.... http://whnt.com/2014/07/31/madison-county-sheriffs-office-settles-lawsuit-with-man-badly-beaten-after-arrest/ http://www.waff.com/story/23905589/man-found-dead-in-yard-murder-investigation-underway http://blog.al.com/wire/2014/02/three_months_later_klonowski_k.html I posted a thread on that deal. I think it got 20 responses. Has nothing to do with claiming India guy was randomingly attacked by cops for walking while brown. |
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Posted: 2/11/2015 8:00:58 PM EDT
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The shit you people will defend is incredible. Quote the individuals defending the officer(s). Hell of a lot easier to quote all the people jumping on the "fucking thug officer" bandwagon based on the son's and lawyer's statements............................ |
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Posted: 2/11/2015 8:03:15 PM EDT
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http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2015/02/indian_citizen_stopped_by_madi.html Posted without comment. No crime had been committed. Madison Police on Monday issued a statement saying the department had suspended the officer and were investigating the use of force in this case. The police statement wished the man a "speedy recovery." wait. let me guess. with pay? Did the officer commit a crime? Should all people being investigated have their paycheck stopped? |
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Posted: 2/11/2015 8:03:40 PM EDT
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In before explanations of why he had it coming.  "But Sureshbhai Patel does not speak English, this being only his second trip to the United States." doesn't mix all that well with "ask, tell, make" i suppose |
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Posted: 2/11/2015 8:05:13 PM EDT
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We be a fickle bunch here....we were all for not passing judgment on that cop in Furgeson - until the grand jury reached their conclusions. One side to the story and all that jazz. Now we sound like Al Sharpton demanding the cop be sacrificed before the incident has even been investigated.
If it's proven that the cop was wrong, he should be fired and held personally liable for civil damages......IF.
Plenty of people, officers and not, were quick to pass judgement that the officer acted appropriately in that case. Or should we only not pass judgement when the officer appears in the wrong? |
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Posted: 2/11/2015 8:07:36 PM EDT
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Are police allowed to use reasonable force? Whose definition of "reasonable" should we accept? The guy to did the beating, or the guy who got beaten? we have no idea if a "beating" occurred or if the man's injuries are an unfortunate accident. People can fuck up their back getting out a chair the wrong way. |
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Posted: 2/11/2015 8:08:05 PM EDT
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Why should guests be treated any differently that any other citizen?
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Posted: 2/11/2015 8:08:33 PM EDT
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I posted a thread on that deal. I think it got 20 responses. Has nothing to do with claiming India guy was randomingly attacked by cops for walking while brown. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Some North AL law enforcement agencies have had several very serious incidents and allegations recently. This is not the first local news story to make national headlines. I’m not sure what in the hell is going on in these police departments, but some of their employees clearly have serious ethical, anger and ego problems. A while back, one of the local cops damn near beat a guy to death over what looks like a payback for a bar fight that happened off duty. A local man and friend of the victim was starting a protest against the local police dept and this abuse, he ended up murdered, hit man style. AL.com did a multipart story about this murder; it was like a real life version of a Lifetime movie of the week. There were even claims of a local SWAT team intimidating citizens and a local business not to talk and police lying under oath. I don’t remember all the details, but the entire situation was a train wreck. It caused a huge shit storm here and a lot of mistrust with local LEOs. The last I heard, the FBI is still investigating all of this mess. I drive by the murder victims house all the time, it still pisses me off knowing that guy was trying to do something right and just help his friend and it looks like he was murdered for it. His protest signs and grandstand are still up in his front yard.
I can’t find the link to the multipart story, but these articles paint a pretty nasty tale.... http://whnt.com/2014/07/31/madison-county-sheriffs-office-settles-lawsuit-with-man-badly-beaten-after-arrest/ http://www.waff.com/story/23905589/man-found-dead-in-yard-murder-investigation-underway http://blog.al.com/wire/2014/02/three_months_later_klonowski_k.html I posted a thread on that deal. I think it got 20 responses. Has nothing to do with claiming India guy was randomingly attacked by cops for walking while brown. Nothing personal, but REALLY? I think it has everything to do with excessive force, it shows a documented trend of overreaction by some local LE agencies.
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Posted: 2/11/2015 8:09:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If he's fresh off the plane from India then "out for a walk" probably translates into "dropping a deuce" on a neighbor's front lawn. The nation of India is as a whole, entirely unaware of the concept of indoor plumbing. Good maiming. |
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Posted: 2/11/2015 8:10:13 PM EDT
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How do you know anything you just said is true? You couldn't possibly know that the guy was "non-violent" unless you were there or you've seen some video that we haven't seen yet. Please provide back up to your statement. Did he assault anyone before he was assaulted? No. That's "non-violent". Are police allowed to use reasonable force? Yes. Police are allowed to use reasonable force. What is reasonable? I say that when there is no crime then NO FORCE is the reasonable amount of force. How do police determine if a crime has been committed or not? |
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Posted: 2/11/2015 8:12:39 PM EDT
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Nothing personal, but REALLY? I think it has everything to do with excessive force, it shows a documented trend of overreaction by some local LE agencies.Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I posted a thread on that deal. I think it got 20 responses. Has nothing to do with claiming India guy was randomingly attacked by cops for walking while brown. Nothing personal, but REALLY? I think it has everything to do with excessive force, it shows a documented trend of overreaction by some local LE agencies.The case you are talking about is a cop who got into a drunken bar fight and going after the guy who kicked his ass. Has exactaly nothing to compare to this deal and the son accusing the cops of beating up his dad just because he has brown skin. |
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Posted: 2/11/2015 8:17:21 PM EDT
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The case you are talking about is a cop who got into a drunken bar fight and going after the guy who kicked his ass. Has exactaly nothing to compare to this deal and the son accusing the cops of beating up his dad just because he has brown skin. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I posted a thread on that deal. I think it got 20 responses. Has nothing to do with claiming India guy was randomingly attacked by cops for walking while brown. Nothing personal, but REALLY? I think it has everything to do with excessive force, it shows a documented trend of overreaction by some local LE agencies.The case you are talking about is a cop who got into a drunken bar fight and going after the guy who kicked his ass. Has exactaly nothing to compare to this deal and the son accusing the cops of beating up his dad just because he has brown skin. This is 2015, I wouild like to think that cops today do not beat up old men because of their skin color, I am 100% sure they would have beat the shit out of an old man of ANY color.
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Posted: 2/11/2015 8:28:33 PM EDT
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sorry double post...
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Posted: 2/11/2015 8:29:51 PM EDT
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The case you are talking about is a cop who got into a drunken bar fight and going after the guy who kicked his ass. Has exactaly nothing to compare to this deal and the son accusing the cops of beating up his dad just because he has brown skin. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I posted a thread on that deal. I think it got 20 responses. Has nothing to do with claiming India guy was randomingly attacked by cops for walking while brown. Nothing personal, but REALLY? I think it has everything to do with excessive force, it shows a documented trend of overreaction by some local LE agencies.The case you are talking about is a cop who got into a drunken bar fight and going after the guy who kicked his ass. Has exactaly nothing to compare to this deal and the son accusing the cops of beating up his dad just because he has brown skin. You can spin it all you want, but this is about excess force, not his skin color. I could care less what his son says. You have a innocent man that is possibly paralyzed due to an overreaction or misunderstanding by LE. I'm sorry, but this entire incident is wrong and should have never happened. Now the local tax payers will be on the hook again paying this guy God knows how much to settle another case of police abuse. I'm all about supporting LEO's, you guys have a hard job at times, but the trends were are starting to see in this county with excessive force, abuse and asset seizure are very disturbing. Police are starting to lose the respect of the law abiding general public, that is a very troubling development.
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Posted: 2/11/2015 8:34:06 PM EDT
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A morning constitutional is a way of life for folks from India and the Orient. I see both in droves in the early morning when I go to the NOVA burbs to the yard sales. Fucking hicks. He is telling the truth. We have a few wealthy Indian families in our AO. They take walks in family groups and are generally productive, useful members of society. |
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Posted: 2/11/2015 8:37:21 PM EDT
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From what little of the article I was able to read before ithe website crashed my browser and I had to reinstall chrome.
It seems like what happened to the poor old guy was a terrible combination of him not being able to speak English and the cops not knowing how to fight. The old guy couldn't understand their commands to follow them making the cops worry for their safety. The cops did not know how to fight so they used way more strength then is appropriate to get the techniques they sort of learned in the academy to work causing injury to the old guy. Solution. Teach cops to know what they are doing with their hands so they do not hurt people unintentionally. And maybe teach your grandpa English, which is supposed to be the official language of India. |
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Posted: 2/11/2015 8:40:30 PM EDT
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C'mon man... as long as THE OFFICER went home safely... wheres the story here? Now pick up the can and move your ass along... BTW... in case you weren't aware... THE LAW no longer matters. All that matters are those who enforce, argue, adjudicate, and execute it. Those associated with it don't exist to serve you. You exist to serve them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
C'mon man... as long as THE OFFICER went home safely... wheres the story here? Now pick up the can and move your ass along... BTW... in case you weren't aware... THE LAW no longer matters. All that matters are those who enforce, argue, adjudicate, and execute it. Those associated with it don't exist to serve you. You exist to serve them. Quoted:
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Posted: 2/11/2015 8:40:42 PM EDT
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Odd reading a story with a "Patel" that didn't involve fraud, or medical malpractice.
A doctor named Patel saved my son's life when the white guys gave up. I had an engineering professor named Patel. Nobody could understand anything he said. At one point, we tried writing a Patel-to-English dictionary. Ex: "Pleebedeeded" = Please be seated I had a Nigerian fluid mechanics professor.............. Really nice guy but impossible to understand 99% of the time. Where I worked, the students always bitched about the TAs, especially the asian ones. |
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