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Posted: 1/31/2015 1:05:21 PM EDT
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During the Cold War they were going to beach on an uninhabated island and start repopulating the world.
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Posted: 1/31/2015 1:06:45 PM EDT
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During the Cold War they were going to beach on an uninhabated island and start repopulating the world. Oh those silly all male crews... 
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Posted: 1/31/2015 1:07:07 PM EDT
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During the Cold War they were going to beach on an uninhabated island and start repopulating the world. Silent Running? |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 1:08:25 PM EDT
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During the Cold War they were going to beach on an uninhabated island and start repopulating the world. With what women? During the Cold War there were no women on subs. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 1:09:13 PM EDT
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I didn't want to derail the missile silo thread, so I started a new one. If a nuclear war had taken place between NATO and the Warsaw Pact, what were nuclear submarines supposed to do after they had fired all their missiles? I mean in a worst-case scenario, if they had "shot their wad", so to speak, and all US or friendly ports were destroyed by Soviet nukes, where were they supposed to go? I assume space is at a premium on a submarine, so how long could they go w/o re-supply? Secondary mission, ASW. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 1:09:34 PM EDT
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With what women? During the Cold War there were no women on subs. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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During the Cold War they were going to beach on an uninhabated island and start repopulating the world. With what women? During the Cold War there were no women on subs. Why so serious? |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 1:10:32 PM EDT
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I would think they are easily resupplied at sea ... then their job would be finding enemy naval forces
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Posted: 1/31/2015 1:10:38 PM EDT
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Secondary mission, ASW. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I didn't want to derail the missile silo thread, so I started a new one. If a nuclear war had taken place between NATO and the Warsaw Pact, what were nuclear submarines supposed to do after they had fired all their missiles? I mean in a worst-case scenario, if they had "shot their wad", so to speak, and all US or friendly ports were destroyed by Soviet nukes, where were they supposed to go? I assume space is at a premium on a submarine, so how long could they go w/o re-supply? Secondary mission, ASW. Yep. No reason to let those torpedoes go to waste. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 1:10:51 PM EDT
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During the Cold War they were going to beach on an uninhabated island and start repopulating the world. Oh those silly all male crews... Didn't say it was a good plan. 
But the non-joke answer is report in to the remaining command and control elements for additional orders, I wouldn't be surprised if they had them rendezvous with remaining forces to replace lost personnel but really nobody that's actually going to say anything knows for sure and even then there would be a lot of seat of the pants decisions. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 1:11:06 PM EDT
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With what women? During the Cold War there were no women on subs. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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During the Cold War they were going to beach on an uninhabated island and start repopulating the world. With what women? During the Cold War there were no women on subs. Not gonna stop 'em from trying. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 1:14:44 PM EDT
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I would think they are easily resupplied at sea ... then their job would be finding enemy naval forces No submarine is easily resupplied at sea. And during a shooting war, you don't want a submarine hanging out surfaced. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 1:19:47 PM EDT
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During the Cold War they were going to beach on an uninhabated island and start repopulating the world. Silent Running? Run Silent, Run Deep. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 1:22:37 PM EDT
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Run Silent, Run Deep. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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During the Cold War they were going to beach on an uninhabated island and start repopulating the world. Silent Running? Run Silent, Run Deep. On the Beach. ETA: 
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Posted: 1/31/2015 1:24:03 PM EDT
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Being on an SSN I think finding a place in the pacific with island girls would by my desire..
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Posted: 1/31/2015 1:24:13 PM EDT
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Quoted: I didn't want to derail the missile silo thread, so I started a new one. If a nuclear war had taken place between NATO and the Warsaw Pact, what were nuclear submarines supposed to do after they had fired all their missiles? I mean in a worst-case scenario, if they had "shot their wad", so to speak, and all US or friendly ports were destroyed by Soviet nukes, where were they supposed to go? I assume space is at a premium on a submarine, so how long could they go w/o re-supply? To alternate places. Normal load-out is 90 days food.
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Posted: 1/31/2015 1:24:44 PM EDT
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Go here
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Posted: 1/31/2015 1:25:28 PM EDT
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No submarine is easily resupplied at sea. And during a shooting war, you don't want a submarine hanging out surfaced. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would think they are easily resupplied at sea ... then their job would be finding enemy naval forces No submarine is easily resupplied at sea. And during a shooting war, you don't want a submarine hanging out surfaced. I'd imagine an SSBN surfacing would basically be an act of suicide in such circumstances. I would also suspect that given how our SSNs would be making it their mission in life to destroy every enemy SSBN possible, the other side would be doing the same. Given the fervor with which enemy ASW units would be hunting boomers, and given how un-stealthy launching ICBMs is, I reckon the most likely mission of an SSBN after launching its missiles is to act as a target for the other side. ETA: Lt. George: "Captain, what should we do if we trod on a mine?" Captain Blacakadder: "Well leftenant, the usual procedure is to leap 300 feet in the air, then scatter yourself about the landscape." Lt. George: "Very good Sir!" |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 1:29:13 PM EDT
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No submarine is easily resupplied at sea. And during a shooting war, you don't want a submarine hanging out surfaced. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would think they are easily resupplied at sea ... then their job would be finding enemy naval forces No submarine is easily resupplied at sea. And during a shooting war, you don't want a submarine hanging out surfaced. I find that very hard to believe ... especially if they are out of food. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 1:30:20 PM EDT
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During the Cold War they were going to beach on an uninhabated island and start repopulating the world. With what women? During the Cold War there were no women on subs. Not gonna stop 'em from trying. I bet those crews hated those war games. "Aww, come on Skipper - we did the uninhabited island execise last month!" 
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Posted: 1/31/2015 1:30:34 PM EDT
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During the Cold War they were going to beach on an uninhabated island and start repopulating the world. Oh those silly all male crews... 
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Posted: 1/31/2015 1:33:29 PM EDT
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During the Cold War they were going to beach on an uninhabated island and start repopulating the world. Oh those silly all male crews... http://m.quickmeme.com/img/19/19e3c5963b43b35ffdbb9c2caf78ece18cf63f74bb1b39ddc5e6d7662367172d.jpg LOL,
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Posted: 1/31/2015 1:33:31 PM EDT
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I asked my Pop this year's ago. His response was he wasn't worried about it, because after they launched the last one his plan was to go to his cabin and eat a bullet. He figured if it got that bad, we would all be dead and he would have no reason to go on after the launch.
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Posted: 1/31/2015 1:35:58 PM EDT
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I asked my Pop this year's ago. His response was he wasn't worried about it, because after they launched the last one his plan was to go to his cabin and eat a bullet. He figured if it got that bad, we would all be dead and he would have no reason to go on after the launch. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 1:37:06 PM EDT
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the new subs are solar powered .
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Posted: 1/31/2015 1:37:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd imagine an SSBN surfacing would basically be an act of suicide in such circumstances. I would also suspect that given how our SSNs would be making it their mission in life to destroy every enemy SSBN possible, the other side would be doing the same. Given the fervor with which enemy ASW units would be hunting boomers, and given how un-stealthy launching ICBMs is, I reckon the most likely mission of an SSBN after launching its missiles is to act as a target for the other side. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I would think they are easily resupplied at sea ... then their job would be finding enemy naval forces No submarine is easily resupplied at sea. And during a shooting war, you don't want a submarine hanging out surfaced. I'd imagine an SSBN surfacing would basically be an act of suicide in such circumstances. I would also suspect that given how our SSNs would be making it their mission in life to destroy every enemy SSBN possible, the other side would be doing the same. Given the fervor with which enemy ASW units would be hunting boomers, and given how un-stealthy launching ICBMs is, I reckon the most likely mission of an SSBN after launching its missiles is to act as a target for the other side. The ocean is very much big. And unstealthy or not, Ivan has to generate a target package, get it approved, and transmitted out to the actual shooters. Lets give them the benefit of the doubt and call that 1hr. Then we've got launch stuff that has to happen, plus time of flight. Heck, you've got time to catch a meal, a movie and squeeze in a quick nap before any counterfire arrives; by then, we're out of the neighborhood.
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Posted: 1/31/2015 1:41:33 PM EDT
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Well, look at how the Brits handled it:
Letters of Last Resort While I'm sure the particulars differ they do give a pretty good idea of the available options. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 1:41:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I find that very hard to believe ... especially if they are out of food. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I would think they are easily resupplied at sea ... then their job would be finding enemy naval forces No submarine is easily resupplied at sea. And during a shooting war, you don't want a submarine hanging out surfaced. I find that very hard to believe ... especially if they are out of food. It takes the better part of a day when you're tied up to a pier in a calm harbor. With cranes. That's after making a gaping 10' hole in it by removing the escape trunk.
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Posted: 1/31/2015 1:42:43 PM EDT
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We always lived at Ground Zero, and being the CO, he had access to all of the CEP and damage/survivability projections. Pop is the most stable person I know, and to hear that from him was disturbing.
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Posted: 1/31/2015 1:43:59 PM EDT
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The ocean is very much big. And unstealthy or not, Ivan has to generate a target package, get it approved, and transmitted out to the actual shooters. Lets give them the benefit of the doubt and call that 1hr. Then we've got launch stuff that has to happen, plus time of flight. Heck, you've got time to catch a meal, a movie and squeeze in a quick nap before any counterfire arrives; by then, we're out of the neighborhood. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would think they are easily resupplied at sea ... then their job would be finding enemy naval forces No submarine is easily resupplied at sea. And during a shooting war, you don't want a submarine hanging out surfaced. I'd imagine an SSBN surfacing would basically be an act of suicide in such circumstances. I would also suspect that given how our SSNs would be making it their mission in life to destroy every enemy SSBN possible, the other side would be doing the same. Given the fervor with which enemy ASW units would be hunting boomers, and given how un-stealthy launching ICBMs is, I reckon the most likely mission of an SSBN after launching its missiles is to act as a target for the other side. The ocean is very much big. And unstealthy or not, Ivan has to generate a target package, get it approved, and transmitted out to the actual shooters. Lets give them the benefit of the doubt and call that 1hr. Then we've got launch stuff that has to happen, plus time of flight. Heck, you've got time to catch a meal, a movie and squeeze in a quick nap before any counterfire arrives; by then, we're out of the neighborhood. Well, I know we tried our best to shadow their missile boats with our attack subs during the Cold War, and I am giving them the benefit of the doubt and assuming they were doing the same. Assuming my assumption is correct, for at least some of our SSBNs, there would have been a Soviet attack sub skipper somewhere nearby who would have just noticed our sub having pooped out a bunch of canned sunshine for his homeland. I imagine his response would not be to phone home and ask for instruction. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 1:45:38 PM EDT
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Quoted: I didn't want to derail the missile silo thread, so I started a new one. If a nuclear war had taken place between NATO and the Warsaw Pact, what were nuclear submarines supposed to do after they had fired all their missiles? I mean in a worst-case scenario, if they had "shot their wad", so to speak, and all US or friendly ports were destroyed by Soviet nukes, where were they supposed to go? I assume space is at a premium on a submarine, so how long could they go w/o re-supply? 'On the Beach'....the old one. 1959 movie.  |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 1:46:08 PM EDT
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I would think they are easily resupplied at sea ... then their job would be finding enemy naval forces No submarine is easily resupplied at sea. And during a shooting war, you don't want a submarine hanging out surfaced. I find that very hard to believe ... especially if they are out of food. They regularly do BSPs (Brief Stop for Parts). But these are usually done in protected waters and is only what can be hand carried across a small brow. A surfaced submarine does not have a lot of free board. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 1:47:02 PM EDT
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I find that very hard to believe ... especially if they are out of food. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would think they are easily resupplied at sea ... then their job would be finding enemy naval forces No submarine is easily resupplied at sea. And during a shooting war, you don't want a submarine hanging out surfaced. I find that very hard to believe ... especially if they are out of food. Yeah god forbid you actually listen to the guy who has SERVED ON SUBS........ |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 1:47:15 PM EDT
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Well, look at how the Brits handled it: Letters of Last Resort While I'm sure the particulars differ they do give a pretty good idea of the available options. Not quite the same thing. OP was asking what a missile boat would after expending its missiles, not what they would do if the home country (or at least if BBC Radio 4,) was knocked out. As an aside, given that being a metric for the opening of the things, I wonder how much money the U.K. spent to make very darn sure BBC Radio 4 never went down? |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 1:47:30 PM EDT
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A boomer may not launch it's full compliment of missiles during a first strike, so it's quite possible that after launching (1st strike) the boomers would go deep and quite and wait for orders for a possible 2nd or even 3rd strike.
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Posted: 1/31/2015 1:48:03 PM EDT
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We always lived at Ground Zero, and being the CO, he had access to all of the CEP and damage/survivability projections. Pop is the most stable person I know, and to hear that from him was disturbing. We were within the "won't hear the boom before the flash gets ya" zone too, and my dad worked a bit with the primary target in the area. He never even told us it was there. I found out myself later and quizzed him on it. "Weren't no reason to worry anyone." |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 1:48:22 PM EDT
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They would rule the sea
I'm pretty sure our nuke subs could go quite some time without resupply, and there were almost certainly secret anchorages and resupply depots all over the world for just that purpose. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 1:48:22 PM EDT
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Yeah god forbid you actually listen to the guy who has SERVED ON SUBS........ Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would think they are easily resupplied at sea ... then their job would be finding enemy naval forces No submarine is easily resupplied at sea. And during a shooting war, you don't want a submarine hanging out surfaced. I find that very hard to believe ... especially if they are out of food. Yeah god forbid you actually listen to the guy who has SERVED ON SUBS........ Sheesh, what does he know? Besides, he's obviously crazy and shouldn't be trusted, since he, you know, served on subs.
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Posted: 1/31/2015 1:48:57 PM EDT
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Interesting question.
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Posted: 1/31/2015 1:49:51 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/31/2015 1:50:14 PM EDT
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Not even a 13er!
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I would think they are easily resupplied at sea ... then their job would be finding enemy naval forces No submarine is easily resupplied at sea. And during a shooting war, you don't want a submarine hanging out surfaced. I find that very hard to believe ... especially if they are out of food. Yeah god forbid you actually listen to the guy who has SERVED ON SUBS........ |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 1:51:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryAlready posted, and nothing to do with the OP's question. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 1:52:43 PM EDT
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I would think they are easily resupplied at sea ... then their job would be finding enemy naval forces No submarine is easily resupplied at sea. And during a shooting war, you don't want a submarine hanging out surfaced. I find that very hard to believe ... especially if they are out of food. LOL Look again at his user name and avatar. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 1:53:49 PM EDT
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On the Beach. ETA:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Awm50kJQeeI
or the remake http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOBPr3uiAMM
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During the Cold War they were going to beach on an uninhabated island and start repopulating the world. Silent Running? Run Silent, Run Deep. On the Beach. ETA: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Awm50kJQeeI
or the remake http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOBPr3uiAMM
I'll have to check out the original. [:) |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 1:57:09 PM EDT
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I would think they are easily resupplied at sea ... then their job would be finding enemy naval forces Wait, this just sank in. You are suggesting that after a nuclear exchange, even assuming underway replenishment of subs is easy, which it is not, that normal resupply procedures would be in effect? I mean, I know the world wouldn't actually end, but to suggest that after the U.S. and the U.S.S.R. unloaded on each other and various other parts, along with probable full commitment by the U.K., and possible use by France and China, that an SSBN could just call HQ and get a resupply of anything seems a trifle......over-optimistic. At about the level of optimism involved in panning for gold in your own shower. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 2:02:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, I know we tried our best to shadow their missile boats with our attack subs during the Cold War, and I am giving them the benefit of the doubt and assuming they were doing the same. Assuming my assumption is correct, for at least some of our SSBNs, there would have been a Soviet attack sub skipper somewhere nearby who would have just noticed our sub having pooped out a bunch of canned sunshine for his homeland. I imagine his response would not be to phone home and ask for instruction. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I would think they are easily resupplied at sea ... then their job would be finding enemy naval forces No submarine is easily resupplied at sea. And during a shooting war, you don't want a submarine hanging out surfaced. I'd imagine an SSBN surfacing would basically be an act of suicide in such circumstances. I would also suspect that given how our SSNs would be making it their mission in life to destroy every enemy SSBN possible, the other side would be doing the same. Given the fervor with which enemy ASW units would be hunting boomers, and given how un-stealthy launching ICBMs is, I reckon the most likely mission of an SSBN after launching its missiles is to act as a target for the other side. The ocean is very much big. And unstealthy or not, Ivan has to generate a target package, get it approved, and transmitted out to the actual shooters. Lets give them the benefit of the doubt and call that 1hr. Then we've got launch stuff that has to happen, plus time of flight. Heck, you've got time to catch a meal, a movie and squeeze in a quick nap before any counterfire arrives; by then, we're out of the neighborhood. Well, I know we tried our best to shadow their missile boats with our attack subs during the Cold War, and I am giving them the benefit of the doubt and assuming they were doing the same. Assuming my assumption is correct, for at least some of our SSBNs, there would have been a Soviet attack sub skipper somewhere nearby who would have just noticed our sub having pooped out a bunch of canned sunshine for his homeland. I imagine his response would not be to phone home and ask for instruction. There are procedures for delousing on the way out of port. Once clear, their chances of regaining contact are to use your words, like panning for gold in the shower. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 2:03:38 PM EDT
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We were within the "won't hear the boom before the flash gets ya" zone too, and my dad worked a bit with the primary target in the area. He never even told us it was there. I found out myself later and quizzed him on it. "Weren't no reason to worry anyone." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We always lived at Ground Zero, and being the CO, he had access to all of the CEP and damage/survivability projections. Pop is the most stable person I know, and to hear that from him was disturbing. We were within the "won't hear the boom before the flash gets ya" zone too, and my dad worked a bit with the primary target in the area. He never even told us it was there. I found out myself later and quizzed him on it. "Weren't no reason to worry anyone." We've likely been neighbors at one time or another. I read a book a few years back, the author somehow got a copy of the old Soviet SIOP. The fewest number of targeted warheads aimed at me growing up was 3. All 1Meg ones. My understanding is that the mission after launch was ASW/ASUW until they were dead or Wnchester, then head to a friendly port or shore. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 2:12:06 PM EDT
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"Captain, all missiles have been launched. NORAD is reporting total devastation of the northern hemisphere. What are our orders?"
"Our orders are to sail south and find an uninhabited Island where we must begin repopulation procedures." "But sir, this is an all male crew!" "We have our orders chief, now go get my lube and assless chaps" |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 2:12:41 PM EDT
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Isn't a Boomer that has shot it's missile now just a big slow attack boat?
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Posted: 1/31/2015 2:16:48 PM EDT
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No submarine is easily resupplied at sea. And during a shooting war, you don't want a submarine hanging out surfaced. I'd imagine an SSBN surfacing would basically be an act of suicide in such circumstances. I would also suspect that given how our SSNs would be making it their mission in life to destroy every enemy SSBN possible, the other side would be doing the same. Given the fervor with which enemy ASW units would be hunting boomers, and given how un-stealthy launching ICBMs is, I reckon the most likely mission of an SSBN after launching its missiles is to act as a target for the other side. The ocean is very much big. And unstealthy or not, Ivan has to generate a target package, get it approved, and transmitted out to the actual shooters. Lets give them the benefit of the doubt and call that 1hr. Then we've got launch stuff that has to happen, plus time of flight. Heck, you've got time to catch a meal, a movie and squeeze in a quick nap before any counterfire arrives; by then, we're out of the neighborhood. Well, I know we tried our best to shadow their missile boats with our attack subs during the Cold War, and I am giving them the benefit of the doubt and assuming they were doing the same. Assuming my assumption is correct, for at least some of our SSBNs, there would have been a Soviet attack sub skipper somewhere nearby who would have just noticed our sub having pooped out a bunch of canned sunshine for his homeland. I imagine his response would not be to phone home and ask for instruction. There are procedures for delousing on the way out of port. Once clear, their chances of regaining contact are to use your words, like panning for gold in the shower. I wasn't trying to get anyone to say anything they shouldn't, and please don't, I was just saying that both sides play the same game, and while I doubt they were/are our equal, I also doubt that their success rate was zero. I mean, I realize that while I am not entirely off-roading here, I am at the least wildly dodging oncoming traffic, but to compare apples to steaks for a moment, in my own job we, generally speaking, have far better training, tactics, communications, support, and equipment than the folks who typically oppose us with violence, but some of us die at the hands of others every week anyway, nationally speaking. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 2:16:57 PM EDT
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