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Posted: 1/30/2015 7:32:32 PM EDT
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wat
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Posted: 1/30/2015 7:33:01 PM EDT
[#2]
Why would you need ammo for a grenade?
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Posted: 1/30/2015 7:34:31 PM EDT
[#3]
Get rid of silly overlarge .380, replace with smaller gun in 9X19. Then pick a good 147 or 124gr JHP from "the list".
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Posted: 1/30/2015 7:39:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Get rid of silly overlarge .380, replace with smaller gun in 9X19. Then pick a good 147 or 124gr JHP from "the list". |
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Posted: 1/30/2015 7:40:04 PM EDT
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Have you shot it? Everyone I know who has shot it (admittedly small sample size) has had multiple FTEs
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Posted: 1/30/2015 7:43:05 PM EDT
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Buffalo bore.
Wadcutters. Fuck that, 9mm. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 1/30/2015 7:45:26 PM EDT
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FMJs.
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Posted: 1/30/2015 7:48:58 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/30/2015 9:24:48 PM EDT
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I'd suggest you carry FMJ ball ammo. It'll feed better; and penetration will be improved. JHP doesn't do anything for ya in either 380 or 32.
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Posted: 1/30/2015 9:25:23 PM EDT
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I have gold dot in mine
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Posted: 1/30/2015 10:13:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd suggest you carry FMJ ball ammo. It'll feed better; and penetration will be improved. JHP doesn't do anything for ya in either 380 or 32. Not entirely true as XTP often performs well in 380. |
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Posted: 1/30/2015 10:17:19 PM EDT
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Hornady XTPs feed just fine in my G42 and Sig 238. Gold dots also work fine.
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Posted: 1/30/2015 10:18:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd suggest you carry FMJ ball ammo. It'll feed better; and penetration will be improved. JHP doesn't do anything for ya in either 380 or 32. |
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Posted: 1/30/2015 10:19:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not entirely true as XTP often performs well in 380. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'd suggest you carry FMJ ball ammo. It'll feed better; and penetration will be improved. JHP doesn't do anything for ya in either 380 or 32. Not entirely true as XTP often performs well in 380. |
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Posted: 1/30/2015 10:19:54 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/30/2015 10:28:40 PM EDT
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I'm using Winchester Rangers, but admittedly carry my G19 most of the time. I rarely only carry the 42.
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Posted: 1/30/2015 10:42:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bingo. Using FMJ is outdated fudd derp. Quote HistoryQuoted: Bingo. Using FMJ is outdated fudd derp. Stick with FMJ for .380 ACP or better yet, don't use it at all. - DocGKR |
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Posted: 1/30/2015 10:45:24 PM EDT
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Hornady XTP is the answer you seek. While a do carry a .380 most days it is due to its small size (CW380). I don't understand carrying the glock 42 at all. A Kahr CM9 or PM9 is a hair smaller and has the same capacity. Why not carry a better defensive round if you are already going to carry a larger weapon?
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Posted: 1/30/2015 10:49:09 PM EDT
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Just get a 938. Problem solved. More power smaller package.
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Posted: 1/30/2015 10:54:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?4336-BUG-s-380-ACP-vs-38-Sp Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Bingo. Using FMJ is outdated fudd derp. Stick with FMJ for .380 ACP or better yet, don't use it at all. - DocGKR I get that guy is considered a guru, but his research and writings do not include recent ammunition advancements. Just look at the dates on his cited material. For the average Joe grabbing any standard SD .380 loading off the shelf is a recipe for failure, but if your taking the time to lock down a truly acceptable loading there are a few out there
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Posted: 1/30/2015 10:58:41 PM EDT
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I could have sworn that Old_Painless did a test and the only .380 that got the required penetration was straight ball.
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Posted: 1/31/2015 3:34:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Have you shot it? Everyone I know who has shot it (admittedly small sample size) has had multiple FTEs |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 3:38:00 PM EDT
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I assume this is a pocket pistol, if yes I like Hydra-Shok 380
If this is not a pocket pistol, I would get a more powerful caliber. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 3:38:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hornady XTP is the answer you seek. While a do carry a .380 most days it is due to its small size (CW380). I don't understand carrying the glock 42 at all. A Kahr CM9 or PM9 is a hair smaller and has the same capacity. Why not carry a better defensive round if you are already going to carry a larger weapon? |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 3:57:58 PM EDT
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Carry ball and empty the magazine if, God forbid, you ever have to use it. 380 is my summer carry BTW. Don't forget an extra magazine or two.
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Posted: 1/31/2015 4:04:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryYup. Carry XTPs if they feed in your gun, otherwise HydraShoks. HS sucks for most calibers, but it works for .380 (aside from failing to expand sometimes, which makes it equal to FMJ if it fails.) |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 5:05:13 PM EDT
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I enjoy the G42 and still carry it. It's easy to hit stuff with it. I have PDX in it which is on the 'underpenetrate' list so I'll aim for the shallow targets
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Posted: 1/31/2015 5:18:55 PM EDT
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My post from an older thread on the same topic:
I used to think FMJ but it seems like there are a couple JHP rounds that make 12" now.
Some tests: http://shootingthebull.net/blog/final-results-of-the-380-acp-ammo-quest/ Some more: http://mousegunaddict.blogspot.com/p/ammo-tests.html |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 5:48:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
FMJs. Phukin' this.  If it's a 380, always rock the hard ball. It'll always feed and get to where it needs to go.
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Posted: 1/31/2015 5:59:35 PM EDT
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I ended up staggering back and forth between ball and Winchester T. Between penetration and damage one will get them.
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Posted: 1/31/2015 6:20:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I could have sworn that Old_Painless did a test and the only .380 that got the required penetration was straight ball. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 6:24:51 PM EDT
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XTP and Hydrashok are the two .380 bullets that will offer some expansion while still penetrating 12" even when they expand.
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Posted: 1/31/2015 6:25:36 PM EDT
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FMJs. Why when there are hollowpoints that will expand yet still meet pentration standards? |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 6:29:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
So closing your eyes and ears and ignoring extensive video evidence of new bullet designs meeting and exceeding FBI penatration testing is the way to go? I agree better yet don't use it at all, but loadings with XTP bullets perform as good as most 9mm SD loadings, excluding the unicorn performance of HSTs and the new Winchester "D". I get that guy is considered a guru, but his research and writings do not include recent ammunition advancements. Just look at the dates on his cited material. For the average Joe grabbing any standard SD .380 loading off the shelf is a recipe for failure, but if your taking the time to lock down a truly acceptable loading there are a few out there Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Bingo. Using FMJ is outdated fudd derp. Stick with FMJ for .380 ACP or better yet, don't use it at all. - DocGKR I get that guy is considered a guru, but his research and writings do not include recent ammunition advancements. Just look at the dates on his cited material. For the average Joe grabbing any standard SD .380 loading off the shelf is a recipe for failure, but if your taking the time to lock down a truly acceptable loading there are a few out there Doc is an expert and he is right more often than he is wrong. But sometimes his info seems contradictory. There is no rational reason to not use a JHP bullet in .380 as long as that bullet meets penetration standards. |
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