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Russia so poor, make vodka in bathtub with sugar and bread yeast. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Russia is also saying it will finance Greece. With what? Potatoes potato vodka. FIFY. Russia so poor, make vodka in bathtub with sugar and bread yeast. |
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I look forward to another European war. One can only watch Crusade in Europe and Victory at Sea so many times. Those series' need a new season. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The EU is on borrowed time. I look forward to another European war. One can only watch Crusade in Europe and Victory at Sea so many times. Those series' need a new season. |
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I have 800rd of HXP M80 ball coming to the stash tomorrow to go with all the .303 and M2 ball. Yay Greek milsurp ammo!
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Agreed, the EU is not on borrowed time. It will continue to last for the ages to come, providing that European nations and relations don't fragment. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The EU is on borrowed time. derp Agreed, the EU is not on borrowed time. It will continue to last for the ages to come, providing that European nations and relations don't fragment. One might think Greece's actions might affect those of Spain and Italy. |
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One might think Greece's actions might affect those of Spain and Italy. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The EU is on borrowed time. derp Agreed, the EU is not on borrowed time. It will continue to last for the ages to come, providing that European nations and relations don't fragment. One might think Greece's actions might affect those of Spain and Italy. Went right over your head, didn't it? |
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Sounds like a pretty fucked up place to be living in. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The Greek communist party is in parliament, but refused to participate in a coalition with Syriza. The KKE (the official Communist Party of Greece) are old-line Stalinists, and they never cooperate with anybody. They're tightly internally disciplined. They got 5.5% of the vote in this election, which is their typical percentage. People vote for the KKE mainly because their grandparents did so. Tsipras got his start in politics in the KNE, the youth branch of the KKE. But like many young people, he became disillusioned with it. There are much more dynamic elements of the Left in Greece, many of which are component parts of Syriza (which is an "umbrella" party). Bear in mind that the Nazis (Golden Dawn) got 6.3% in this election. While the KKE doesn't cooperate with anyone, no one will cooperate with Golden Dawn. So you have the two non-players in the Greek political system, at opposite ends of the spectrum, representing nearly 12% of the electorate. Sounds like a pretty fucked up place to be living in. If you had a pile of small parties in US politics I'm sure you'd see something similar. |
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Reading the biographies of the new Greek cabinet ministers, they're a hodgepodge of ex-communists, ex-socialists, nonpolitical academics, and conservative nationalists. What they have in common is opposition to the austerity measures and opposition to EU (read: German) meddling in Greece's affairs. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
IIRC, isn't the new Greek government communist? Reading the biographies of the new Greek cabinet ministers, they're a hodgepodge of ex-communists, ex-socialists, nonpolitical academics, and conservative nationalists. What they have in common is opposition to the austerity measures and opposition to EU (read: German) meddling in Greece's affairs. And lack of work ethic. |
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After today's developments (the meeting between Greece's new Economics Minister and the head of the Eurogroup, in which each side was talking past each other), it seems that Greece is deliberately trying to pick a fight. Basically, the Economics Minister, Varoufakis, told the EU to take its next tranche of bailout money and shove it up its ass.
I think I know where this is going. There's a segment of the Greek Left (as well as a segment of the Greek Right) that wants to ditch the euro and go back to the drachma. Likewise, there are voices in the rest of the EU that would like to kick Greece out of the euro. But surveys show that some 70% of the Greek public wants to stay in the euro "at all costs," and Tsipras won the election partly by assuring people that he would keep Greece in the euro. So he can't just up and exit on his own. If he insists on rolling back the austerity agreements (which was also part of his pre-election promises), then he can put the onus on the EU for the exit. The Tsipras government is even talking about a referendum, if push comes to shove, in which the people would be asked if they want the euro with continued austerity and unemployment, or the drachma with loose purse strings and full employment. When stated in those terms, I think the drachma would win. Note also that EU membership is not synonymous with eurozone membership. The are countries in the EU (the UK, Denmark, Sweden, and some of the new members in eastern Europe) that don't use the euro currency. EU membership is good for Greece (because it allows Greeks to work in, say, Germany, without formalities), while the euro has proven to be a disaster for Greece. |
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After today's developments (the meeting between Greece's new Economics Minister and the head of the Eurogroup, in which each side was talking past each other), it seems that Greece is deliberately trying to pick a fight. Basically, the Economics Minister, Varoufakis, told the EU to take its next tranche of bailout money and shove it up its ass. I think I know where this is going. There's a segment of the Greek Left (as well as a segment of the Greek Right) that wants to ditch the euro and go back to the drachma. Likewise, there are voices in the rest of the EU that would like to kick Greece out of the euro. But surveys show that some 70% of the Greek public wants to stay in the euro "at all costs," and Tsipras won the election partly by assuring people that he would keep Greece in the euro. So he can't just up and exit on his own. If he insists on rolling back the austerity agreements (which was also part of his pre-election promises), then he can put the onus on the EU for the exit. The Tsipras government is even talking about a referendum, if push comes to shove, in which the people would be asked if they want the euro with continued austerity and unemployment, or the drachma with loose purse strings and full employment. When stated in those terms, I think the drachma would win. Note also that EU membership is not synonymous with eurozone membership. The are countries in the EU (the UK, Denmark, Sweden, and some of the new members in eastern Europe) that don't use the euro currency. EU membership is good for Greece (because it allows Greeks to work in, say, Germany, without formalities), while the euro has proven to be a disaster for Greece. View Quote It will be interesting to see how the Eurocrats counter Tsipras. |
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The KKE (the official Communist Party of Greece) are old-line Stalinists, and they never cooperate with anybody. They're tightly internally disciplined. They got 5.5% of the vote in this election, which is their typical percentage. People vote for the KKE mainly because their grandparents did so. Tsipras got his start in politics in the KNE, the youth branch of the KKE. But like many young people, he became disillusioned with it. There are much more dynamic elements of the Left in Greece, many of which are component parts of Syriza (which is an "umbrella" party). Bear in mind that the Nazis (Golden Dawn) got 6.3% in this election. While the KKE doesn't cooperate with anyone, no one will cooperate with Golden Dawn. So you have the two non-players in the Greek political system, at opposite ends of the spectrum, representing nearly 12% of the electorate. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
The Greek communist party is in parliament, but refused to participate in a coalition with Syriza. The KKE (the official Communist Party of Greece) are old-line Stalinists, and they never cooperate with anybody. They're tightly internally disciplined. They got 5.5% of the vote in this election, which is their typical percentage. People vote for the KKE mainly because their grandparents did so. Tsipras got his start in politics in the KNE, the youth branch of the KKE. But like many young people, he became disillusioned with it. There are much more dynamic elements of the Left in Greece, many of which are component parts of Syriza (which is an "umbrella" party). Bear in mind that the Nazis (Golden Dawn) got 6.3% in this election. While the KKE doesn't cooperate with anyone, no one will cooperate with Golden Dawn. So you have the two non-players in the Greek political system, at opposite ends of the spectrum, representing nearly 12% of the electorate. Those aren't opposite ends, both are left wing, the only real difference between communism and fascism other than the spelling is that fascists are nationalists while communists are internationalist (global communism). |
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Why derp? You country sells weapons to other countries and relies on being geographically isolated in buttfuck nowhere. A war in Europe would be great for your countries GDP. Again. |
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Why derp? You country sells weapons to other countries and relies on being geographically isolated in buttfuck nowhere. A war in Europe would be great for your countries GDP. Again. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The EU is on borrowed time. derp A war in Europe would be great for your countries GDP. Again. This won't lead to war. Keep on derping kid. |
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Everything leads to war. Are you ignorant of history? LOL calling me kid... that's cute. It's almost like you're implying you've done anything manly in your life, and are of some enlightened age. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The EU is on borrowed time. derp A war in Europe would be great for your countries GDP. Again. This won't lead to war. Keep on derping kid. You're coming off as a kid. Perhaps it's just intellectually? |
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Right, lovely red herring. Obviously you have nothing of substance to counter my assertion besides attempting to deflect the topic of conversation. But really. What do you do besides get online and argue on ARF about politics? It seems like that's about it. You're like the Swede Couch commando. (which is disingenuous, since he actually shoots and such) View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Everything leads to war. Are you ignorant of history? LOL calling me kid... that's cute. It's almost like you're implying you've done anything manly in your life, and are of some enlightened age. You're coming off as a kid. Perhaps it's just intellectually? But really. What do you do besides get online and argue on ARF about politics? It seems like that's about it. You're like the Swede Couch commando. (which is disingenuous, since he actually shoots and such) Red herring? That's rich coming from you. You seem to post more than I do. Perhaps you need a remedial math class? |
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Quoted: Red herring? That's rich coming from you. You seem to post more than I do. Perhaps you need a remedial math class? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Everything leads to war. Are you ignorant of history? LOL calling me kid... that's cute. It's almost like you're implying you've done anything manly in your life, and are of some enlightened age. You're coming off as a kid. Perhaps it's just intellectually? But really. What do you do besides get online and argue on ARF about politics? It seems like that's about it. You're like the Swede Couch commando. (which is disingenuous, since he actually shoots and such) Red herring? That's rich coming from you. You seem to post more than I do. Perhaps you need a remedial math class? Yes, I post more than you do. It's a gun site, I'm a shooter and collector. Goes well together in discussion about firearms. I also own old cars... and there's a car sub forum... and about a dozen other sub forums with things that I actively do in my life... ARF is great for centralizing it all so I'm not burning time on about 50 different forums. |
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I do, I'm math retarded, it's a huge bottleneck. Sucks, but you work with what you got ya know? Yes, I post more than you do. It's a gun site, I'm a shooter and collector. Goes well together in discussion about firearms. I also own old cars... and there's a car sub forum... and about a dozen other sub forums with things that I actively do in my life... ARF is great for centralizing it all so I'm not burning time on about 50 different forums. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Everything leads to war. Are you ignorant of history? LOL calling me kid... that's cute. It's almost like you're implying you've done anything manly in your life, and are of some enlightened age. You're coming off as a kid. Perhaps it's just intellectually? But really. What do you do besides get online and argue on ARF about politics? It seems like that's about it. You're like the Swede Couch commando. (which is disingenuous, since he actually shoots and such) Red herring? That's rich coming from you. You seem to post more than I do. Perhaps you need a remedial math class? Yes, I post more than you do. It's a gun site, I'm a shooter and collector. Goes well together in discussion about firearms. I also own old cars... and there's a car sub forum... and about a dozen other sub forums with things that I actively do in my life... ARF is great for centralizing it all so I'm not burning time on about 50 different forums. I shoot as much as I can afford. Unfortunately I'm a government employee, and ammo is more expensive here than in the US. I have a competition coming up, and had hoped to practice today, but there's a snow storm right now. |
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Well the one they had last Tuesday was....Who's to say about next Tuesday. View Quote The previous conservative prime minister, Samaras, is banking on what he calls the "Left parenthesis," that is, that the Tsipras government will be discredited within a couple of months, new elections will be called, and the conservatives will win again. I don't see this happening. The Greek constitution gives a newly-elected parliament a 4-year term, as long as the government can win votes of confidence. Tsipras' Syriza party has 149 members in the 300-seat parliament, and these are pretty solid party followers. (They were required to sign a "code of ethics" before the election, that said that if in future they disagreed with the party's position, they were obligated to resign their seat rather than go independent. The party would then refill the seat with another member.) In addition, Tsipras wisely chose the Independent Greeks party as a coalition partner. They have 13 seats, and they are even more populist, anti-austerity, and anti-EU (anti-German) than Syriza itself. That's 162 solid votes in the parliament. An opinion survey taken since the election shows that Tsipras has the support of more than 60% of the Greek public regarding his confrontational tactics. One thing about the Greeks is that they are a very proud people, and they are quick to rally around the flag if they feel they are being nationally insulted. At these moments their economic self-interests tend to fly out the window. (Remember the resounding "No" to Mussolini in 1940.) |
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Greece threatens to veto EU Russia sanctions View Quote Exactly what the EU deserves. Best analysis I've read yet on the game playing out between Russia and the (so-called) West: In It To Win It Putin is no fool. He understands, much more clearly than Berlin does, just what a hammer blow the euro disaster has dealt to the entire structure of the enlarged, post-1990 European Union. He understands that Berlin’s leadership of the continent has lost legitimacy across the south, and further he believes that Berlin is too shortsighted and constrained to undertake the kind of policy that could still save the euro and the EU.
Putin also understands the fragility of the EU’s accomplishments beyond western Europe. EU bureaucrats and German diplomats don’t think culture matters as they build a multicultural and cosmopolitan New Europe from Dublin to Dubrovnik and from Sweden to Sicily. Putin thinks they are wrong, and when he looks at current conditions in Greece, Cyprus, Bulgaria, Romania, Italy and Spain he sees the full confirmation of his theory. Europe, he believes, is not a country–and even if it were, it is not a German country. Germany, he believes, is trying to build a Europe in defiance of the facts–and Germany lacks both the resources and the will to push this project indefinitely as its difficulties grow. Germany will not, Putin may well believe, find a way to turn the euro disaster around. The south will continue to fester and stew under an increasingly hateful and damaging system. Germany will also not be able to turn the Balkans into an orderly and quiet garden of Nordic and Teutonic virtues. The key to Putin’s thinking is that he is betting less on Russian strength than on German and therefore Western weakness. In opposing the consolidation of a German Europe, he is betting on German failure more than he is betting on Russian success. The goal of Russian policy in Ukraine, for example, is not to create a new Ukraine in Russia’s image. It is not to conquer Ukraine–but to demonstrate that the East is indigestible. Germany cannot save Ukraine or organize Ukraine. It doesn’t have the money, the military culture or the political skills to convert this particular sow’s ear into the silk purse of a North Atlantic market democracy. Germany cannot save Ukraine when the price of oil is at $100 per barrel; it cannot save Ukraine when the price of oil is $25 per barrel. But if Germany cannot save Ukraine at any price of oil, it also cannot reform Greece, Italy and Spain at any value of the euro. Putin doesn’t see his job as one of building up a powerful force to counter a rising Germany. He sees his job as being able to take advantage of the coming failures and catastrophes of what he believes to be the grandiose and unsustainable Western project in Europe. View Quote |
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Its a coalition government involving a left-wing populist party and a right-wing populist party. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalition_of_the_Radical_Left http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Greeks The Greek communist party is in parliament, but refused to participate in a coalition with Syriza. But by GD standards, yes, "communist". View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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IIRC, isn't the new Greek government communist? Its a coalition government involving a left-wing populist party and a right-wing populist party. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalition_of_the_Radical_Left http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Greeks The Greek communist party is in parliament, but refused to participate in a coalition with Syriza. But by GD standards, yes, "communist". oh please. its fucking a communist party by anyone but an idiot's standards. their platform is completely communist. they just lie to the masses and the morons. |
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Exactly what the EU deserves. Best analysis I've read yet on the game playing out between Russia and the (so-called) West: In It To Win It View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Greece threatens to veto EU Russia sanctions Exactly what the EU deserves. Best analysis I've read yet on the game playing out between Russia and the (so-called) West: In It To Win It Putin is no fool. He understands, much more clearly than Berlin does, just what a hammer blow the euro disaster has dealt to the entire structure of the enlarged, post-1990 European Union. He understands that Berlin’s leadership of the continent has lost legitimacy across the south, and further he believes that Berlin is too shortsighted and constrained to undertake the kind of policy that could still save the euro and the EU.
Putin also understands the fragility of the EU’s accomplishments beyond western Europe. EU bureaucrats and German diplomats don’t think culture matters as they build a multicultural and cosmopolitan New Europe from Dublin to Dubrovnik and from Sweden to Sicily. Putin thinks they are wrong, and when he looks at current conditions in Greece, Cyprus, Bulgaria, Romania, Italy and Spain he sees the full confirmation of his theory. Europe, he believes, is not a country–and even if it were, it is not a German country. Germany, he believes, is trying to build a Europe in defiance of the facts–and Germany lacks both the resources and the will to push this project indefinitely as its difficulties grow. Germany will not, Putin may well believe, find a way to turn the euro disaster around. The south will continue to fester and stew under an increasingly hateful and damaging system. Germany will also not be able to turn the Balkans into an orderly and quiet garden of Nordic and Teutonic virtues. The key to Putin’s thinking is that he is betting less on Russian strength than on German and therefore Western weakness. In opposing the consolidation of a German Europe, he is betting on German failure more than he is betting on Russian success. The goal of Russian policy in Ukraine, for example, is not to create a new Ukraine in Russia’s image. It is not to conquer Ukraine–but to demonstrate that the East is indigestible. Germany cannot save Ukraine or organize Ukraine. It doesn’t have the money, the military culture or the political skills to convert this particular sow’s ear into the silk purse of a North Atlantic market democracy. Germany cannot save Ukraine when the price of oil is at $100 per barrel; it cannot save Ukraine when the price of oil is $25 per barrel. But if Germany cannot save Ukraine at any price of oil, it also cannot reform Greece, Italy and Spain at any value of the euro. Putin doesn’t see his job as one of building up a powerful force to counter a rising Germany. He sees his job as being able to take advantage of the coming failures and catastrophes of what he believes to be the grandiose and unsustainable Western project in Europe. I think this is massively overstating Russia's strength. Putin has painted himself into a corner via his kleptocracy and knows that there can be no exit for him. Either he remains in power or he's at best jailed and everything he's stolen taken away. Some want to make him into an evil genius and he's not,he's simply a criminal who had the good fortune to have high oil prices and a state security apparatus...and nuclear weapons. |
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-31072139 Spanish leftist hold massive rally in Madrid following the perceived success of the left in Greece. Tens of thousands of people have massed in central Madrid for a rally organised by radical Spanish leftists Podemos. The "March for Change" is one of the party's first outdoor mass rallies, as it looks to build on the recent victory of its close allies Syriza in Greece. Podemos has surged into the lead in recent opinion polls, and says it will seek to write off part of Spain's debt if it wins elections later this year. Podemos says politicians should "serve the people, not private interests". The BBC's Tom Burridge in Madrid says that there has been an impressive turnout and a carnival atmosphere at the rally. Podemos leader Pablo Iglesias spelt out the party's message to the crowd. "We want change," he said, quoted by the Associated Press. "I know that governing is difficult but those who have serious dreams can change things." Protesters are parading in the same streets that over the past six years have seen many other gatherings against financial crisis cutbacks imposed by successive governments. More at link. |
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Time for zombie colonels and zombie Franco to sort this shit out.
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oh please. its fucking a communist party by anyone but an idiot's standards.
their platform is completely communist. they just lie to the masses and the morons. View Quote There are "communists" and then there are "communists." This covers a wide spectrum. In Greece, the KKE Stalinists and the Syriza euro-communists (and not everyone in Syriza is a communist, btw) tend to hate each other. The KKE is celebrating this week because it managed to maintain its traditional 5.5% of the vote and increased its seats in parliament to 15. Then, there is the KKE (Marxist-Leninist) (not to be confused with the "official" KKE) and there is Antarsya (Anticapitalist Left Cooperation for the Overthrow). These groups did not get enough votes to pass the 3% threshold for getting into parliament. ANTARSYA was founded on 22 March 2009 in Athens by 10 organisations and independent militants involved in the Radical Left Front (MERA) and United Anti-Capitalist Left (ENANTIA) with the exception of the Workers Revolutionary Party (???). These organisations come from different left wing currents ranging from ex-Communist Party (KKE) and KKE Interior members to Maoism and Trotskyism.
View Quote In Greece, and in Europe generally, the word "communist" simply does not have the pejorative context that it has in the U.S. I've seen extreme-conservative Greek politicians (Makis Voridis and Adonis Georgiadis, for example) respectfully debate communists on TV. They knoiw that by keeping the communists (KKE, etc.) in the political system, the net effect is to draw votes away from their real opponents, which are more centrist leftists. Syriza could not have achieved the success it has had, if it had not cast itself more to the center, compared to its original incarnation. Greece is essentially a bourgeois (urban middle-class) country, and Syriza is a bourgeois party. |
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the lack of a pejorative association does not diminish the meaning.
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No country in debt wants to pay what they owe. They elect the commie fuckstick party, who promise to wipe out the debt and carry on with the free shit bonanza. Commie fucksticks flip off creditors, delete all freedom from former citizens, now subjects.
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There are "communists" and then there are "communists." This covers a wide spectrum. In Greece, the KKE Stalinists and the Syriza euro-communists (and not everyone in Syriza is a communist, btw) tend to hate each other. The KKE is celebrating this week because it managed to maintain its traditional 5.5% of the vote and increased its seats in parliament to 15. Then, there is the KKE (Marxist-Leninist) (not to be confused with the "official" KKE) and there is Antarsya (Anticapitalist Left Cooperation for the Overthrow). These groups did not get enough votes to pass the 3% threshold for getting into parliament. [wikipedia] In Greece, and in Europe generally, the word "communist" simply does not have the pejorative context that it has in the U.S. I've seen extreme-conservative Greek politicians (Makis Voridis and Adonis Georgiadis, for example) respectfully debate communists on TV. They knoiw that by keeping the communists (KKE, etc.) in the political system, the net effect is to draw votes away from their real opponents, which are more centrist leftists. Syriza could not have achieved the success it has had, if it had not cast itself more to the center, compared to its original incarnation. Greece is essentially a bourgeois (urban middle-class) country, and Syriza is a bourgeois party. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
oh please. its fucking a communist party by anyone but an idiot's standards.
their platform is completely communist. they just lie to the masses and the morons. There are "communists" and then there are "communists." This covers a wide spectrum. In Greece, the KKE Stalinists and the Syriza euro-communists (and not everyone in Syriza is a communist, btw) tend to hate each other. The KKE is celebrating this week because it managed to maintain its traditional 5.5% of the vote and increased its seats in parliament to 15. Then, there is the KKE (Marxist-Leninist) (not to be confused with the "official" KKE) and there is Antarsya (Anticapitalist Left Cooperation for the Overthrow). These groups did not get enough votes to pass the 3% threshold for getting into parliament. ANTARSYA was founded on 22 March 2009 in Athens by 10 organisations and independent militants involved in the Radical Left Front (MERA) and United Anti-Capitalist Left (ENANTIA) with the exception of the Workers Revolutionary Party (???). These organisations come from different left wing currents ranging from ex-Communist Party (KKE) and KKE Interior members to Maoism and Trotskyism.
In Greece, and in Europe generally, the word "communist" simply does not have the pejorative context that it has in the U.S. I've seen extreme-conservative Greek politicians (Makis Voridis and Adonis Georgiadis, for example) respectfully debate communists on TV. They knoiw that by keeping the communists (KKE, etc.) in the political system, the net effect is to draw votes away from their real opponents, which are more centrist leftists. Syriza could not have achieved the success it has had, if it had not cast itself more to the center, compared to its original incarnation. Greece is essentially a bourgeois (urban middle-class) country, and Syriza is a bourgeois party. They are definitely Communists, the fact that Communists always hate each other does not diminish that fact. |
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No country in debt wants to pay what they owe. They elect the commie fuckstick party, who promise to wipe out the debt and carry on with the free shit bonanza. Commie fucksticks flip off creditors, delete all freedom from former citizens, now subjects.
How long before creditors start taking it out of these commie fucksticks hides? View Quote It wasn't the communists who got Greece into all that debt. They were the perennial outsiders. No, the debt was run up by the alternating ND - PASOK kleptocracies, who ruled Greece since the ouster of the Junta in 1974. And much of the debt was due to outsize defense expenditures, required by Greece's role in NATO, on the one hand, and the artificially inflated threat from Turkey, on the other. Greece should never have joined the euro currency zone.The "technocrat" PASOK prime minister, Simitis, got the country into the euro by cooking the books. His idea was to be able to borrow at low "German" rates -- rates that did not reflect the real Greek economy. The Germans turned a blind eye to this, because they could then lend money to Greece, which would then turn around and buy defective German defense products, such as tanks and submarines, at grossly inflated prices. (The German submarines were delivered listing at 45 degrees! And anyway, Greece has no strategic need for submarines, since the Aegean is virtually a Greek lake, and the thousands of islands are unsinkable aircraft carriers.) The former PASOK defense minister, Akis Tsochatzopoulos, is now serving a long prison term for taking millions in bribes from German defense contactors. So these creditors -- Germany and France first among them -- do not have clean hands. Furthermore, there are two issues between Greece and Germany pending since WW2. One is the "mandatory" loan from the puppet occupational Greek government to the Third Reich, which was never repaid, and the other is war reparations for destroying half the country. These two things would wipe out most of the debt that Greece currently has to Germany. |
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Stupid bitches, the man who owes the bank 5 million dollars is owned by the bank. The man who owes the bank 300 million owns the bank.
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In 1947 we saved the Turks from Communism and they have always been thankful.
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The EU is on borrowed time. Meh, according to some, everything is fine. As long as the EU in its present form is on borrowed time, then it is fine. It was supposed to be a trading association and that was it. It long ago exceeded that remit by a considerable margin and has sought to control sovereign states, remove legitimate Govts and impose it's own will on people who never elected the council which controls it. The unelected tossers at the head of the EU need to have their post-democratic ambitions crushed before their eyes and be kicked from office. The EU also needs needs to reigned in and have it's socialist systems torn apart. The EU parliament is a sham. The EU directives process is one of creeping death, and the whole debacle needs to reap the shit storm it is sowing. Civil disorder is more than likely as we have already seen, possibly martial law declared in some countries where the economic pressures and impositions of EU membership have been most severely felt and the Govts are failing to act, but It is unlikely to result in a war. A lot of people have predicted for a long time that the EU was making a rod for it's own back by imposing a system of wealth redistribution on those who it saw could afford to pay and by creating a system of dependency on those nations who it saw could not afford to live up to EU imposed standards. I suspect the when the EU does start to unravel, it will still survive in some form and hopefully with a much reduced remit, but for now it is a lesson in how socialism actually creates far more long term problems than it can ever temporarily purport to solve. Sometimes you have to sit back and let the wheels fall off the bus before the idiots cheering it on realise they're not getting anywhere. |
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LOL Greece. Go back to your 3 hour workdays and unfinished houses.
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The interesting development in this, over the weekend, is that the U.S. has belatedly realized what Putin is doing in cozying up to the Greeks. Obama has joined the bidding war by making a strong statement on behalf on Greece in his interview with CNN's Fareed Zakaria.
http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2015/02/01/pres-obama-on-fareed-zakaria-gps-cnn-exclusive/ Basically, Obama is telling Merkel not to try to "squeeze blood from a stone." The Greek Finance Minister, Varoufakis, is making a whirlwind tour to France, Britain, and Italy to try to put together an anti-German front. Tsipras will visit Cyprus, Italy, and France in the next few days as a followup. This all leads up to the European Summit on Feb. 12. |
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The interesting development in this, over the weekend, is that the U.S. has belatedly realized what Putin is doing in cozying up to the Greeks. Obama has joined the bidding war by making a strong statement on behalf on Greece in his interview with CNN's Fareed Zakaria. http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2015/02/01/pres-obama-on-fareed-zakaria-gps-cnn-exclusive/ Basically, Obama is telling Merkel not to try to "squeeze blood from a stone." The Greek Finance Minister, Varoufakis, is making a whirlwind tour to France, Britain, and Italy to try to put together an anti-German front. Tsipras will visit Cyprus, Italy, and France in the next few days as a followup. This all leads up to the European Summit on Feb. 12. View Quote Greece has drained Germany, let them drain Russia. Seriously. They deserve each other. commies gonna commie. |
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