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Posted: 1/27/2015 9:52:37 PM EDT
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Look, I know nothing about Mr. Cotton, but if EVER there was a year when Texas could expect to get OC, it's this year. The brand new governor came into office declaring he wanted to sign OC into law. What is the damned problem here? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Charles Cotton has been dedicating himself pro-bono to the NRA and TSRA longer than some of the people here have been alive. He isn't popular with the "but I want it now!' crowd because he is actually down at the Capitol quite a bit and frequently shits reality on their ideas, albeit very politely. Look, I know nothing about Mr. Cotton, but if EVER there was a year when Texas could expect to get OC, it's this year. The brand new governor came into office declaring he wanted to sign OC into law. What is the damned problem here? Pretty simple, they don't have the votes to bring it to the floor. And acting like OCT did isn't going to get any Democrats to support it. |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 9:53:29 PM EDT
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I've stated elsewhere that I was once on the fence about OC, and when all this came up with the multiple threads and seeing these goofy paulbots pushing it so hard, I came down against it. My question is why does anyone want to OC? I open carried as a cop for over 35 years in two states, , had to fight over it multiple times and had co workers shot and killed with their own gun after losing it. I don't get this. I think concealed carry should be granted with a NICS check, but when you're toting a gun for the world to see that's a heavy responsibility. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not that I would open carry, but it's just another reason I'm glad I left. LoL I've stated elsewhere that I was once on the fence about OC, and when all this came up with the multiple threads and seeing these goofy paulbots pushing it so hard, I came down against it. My question is why does anyone want to OC? I open carried as a cop for over 35 years in two states, , had to fight over it multiple times and had co workers shot and killed with their own gun after losing it. I don't get this. I think concealed carry should be granted with a NICS check, but when you're toting a gun for the world to see that's a heavy responsibility. If you change a principle because of the foolish actions of a few, you never really had a principle to begin with. If you believe that civil rights are okay with permission of the state, then you are not for civil rights,. OC is important because, in my state, if I CCW and want to take my jacket off because it is hot or I want to sit down and eat or want to load boxes of books into my truck I can without fear of arrest because OC is also legal here. Not so much in Texas. I can go from CCW to OC as I wish and as the circumstances dictate. If you are against OC, you are also anti-gun IMHO. |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 9:55:58 PM EDT
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I've stated elsewhere that I was once on the fence about OC, and when all this came up with the multiple threads and seeing these goofy paulbots pushing it so hard, I came down against it. My question is why does anyone want to OC? I open carried as a cop for over 35 years in two states, , had to fight over it multiple times and had co workers shot and killed with their own gun after losing it. I don't get this. I think concealed carry should be granted with a NICS check, but when you're toting a gun for the world to see that's a heavy responsibility. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not that I would open carry, but it's just another reason I'm glad I left. LoL I've stated elsewhere that I was once on the fence about OC, and when all this came up with the multiple threads and seeing these goofy paulbots pushing it so hard, I came down against it. My question is why does anyone want to OC? I open carried as a cop for over 35 years in two states, , had to fight over it multiple times and had co workers shot and killed with their own gun after losing it. I don't get this. I think concealed carry should be granted with a NICS check, but when you're toting a gun for the world to see that's a heavy responsibility. I don't much want to open carry. It would be nice to not have to worry about getting arrested because I accidentally let my shirt ride up too high. And don't give me this crap about "accidental exposure." Accidental exposure laws don't offer nearly the same level of legal protection as a bona fide OC law. |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 9:57:09 PM EDT
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If a couple of neckbeards are the excuse politicians use for doing the wrong thing, they were never on the right side in the first place. It's like blaming Westboro Baptist for voting to ban free speech--there is a lot more to the issue than a few idiots. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lol. Texas is anything but the pro-gun bastion of freedom its made out to be. Indeed. The OCTards just made it worse. If a couple of neckbeards are the excuse politicians use for doing the wrong thing, they were never on the right side in the first place. It's like blaming Westboro Baptist for voting to ban free speech--there is a lot more to the issue than a few idiots. NavyDoc, if there's anyone on the site that I can trust to speak truthfully and logically, it's you. If I disagree with something that you say, I generally re-evaluate what I think and see if it is right. I just wanted to let you know. 
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Posted: 1/27/2015 9:57:14 PM EDT
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Pretty simple, they don't have the votes to bring it to the floor. And acting like OCT did isn't going to get any Democrats to support it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Charles Cotton has been dedicating himself pro-bono to the NRA and TSRA longer than some of the people here have been alive. He isn't popular with the "but I want it now!' crowd because he is actually down at the Capitol quite a bit and frequently shits reality on their ideas, albeit very politely. Look, I know nothing about Mr. Cotton, but if EVER there was a year when Texas could expect to get OC, it's this year. The brand new governor came into office declaring he wanted to sign OC into law. What is the damned problem here? Pretty simple, they don't have the votes to bring it to the floor. And acting like OCT did isn't going to get any Democrats to support it. The Texas Senate has 20 Republicans and 11 Democrats. I think we should know who these Republicans are that oppose OC. |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 9:57:51 PM EDT
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If you change a principle because of the foolish actions of a few, you never really had a principle to begin with. If you believe that civil rights are okay with permission of the state, then you are not for civil rights,. OC is important because, in my state, if I CCW and want to take my jacket off because it is hot or I want to sit down and eat or want to load boxes of books into my truck I can without fear of arrest because OC is also legal here. Not so much in Texas. I can go from CCW to OC as I wish and as the circumstances dictate. If you are against OC, you are also anti-gun IMHO. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not that I would open carry, but it's just another reason I'm glad I left. LoL I've stated elsewhere that I was once on the fence about OC, and when all this came up with the multiple threads and seeing these goofy paulbots pushing it so hard, I came down against it. My question is why does anyone want to OC? I open carried as a cop for over 35 years in two states, , had to fight over it multiple times and had co workers shot and killed with their own gun after losing it. I don't get this. I think concealed carry should be granted with a NICS check, but when you're toting a gun for the world to see that's a heavy responsibility. If you change a principle because of the foolish actions of a few, you never really had a principle to begin with. If you believe that civil rights are okay with permission of the state, then you are not for civil rights,. OC is important because, in my state, if I CCW and want to take my jacket off because it is hot or I want to sit down and eat or want to load boxes of books into my truck I can without fear of arrest because OC is also legal here. Not so much in Texas. I can go from CCW to OC as I wish and as the circumstances dictate. If you are against OC, you are also anti-gun IMHO. In Texas, if you have a CHL and a brisk wind exposes your weapon, or if its accidently seen you have not violated any law. Typical GD lockstep mentality, if I'm anti OC I'm anti gun. |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 9:58:05 PM EDT
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OC is important because, in my state, if I CCW and want to take my jacket off because it is hot or I want to sit down and eat or want to load boxes of books into my truck I can without fear of arrest because OC is also legal here. Not so much in Texas. I can go from CCW to OC as I wish and as the circumstances dictate. If you are against OC, you are also anti-gun IMHO. I'm in an OC state and never, ever have a problem showing my carry pistol accidentally. You sound like one of those guys that thinks OWB is concealed. |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 9:58:12 PM EDT
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Do you mean personality-wise? I don't think that's true. Look at this history of monarchy. The next guy in line almost always couldn't wait to be King. And monarchs were overwhelmingly in favor of preserving the status quo or restoring old traditions. But I digress. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Because, only those with a liberal bent want to be in charge of other people. Sure, legit conservatives like to run successful businesses, but they look at it as being a producer, not a boss of people. If anything, conservative businessmen consider themselves a net positive to society because they create opportunities for people to work hard and create their own weatlh. Do you mean personality-wise? I don't think that's true. Look at this history of monarchy. The next guy in line almost always couldn't wait to be King. And monarchs were overwhelmingly in favor of preserving the status quo or restoring old traditions. But I digress. I guess I was thinking in terms of mondern, American pols. |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 10:00:00 PM EDT
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I guess I was thinking in terms of mondern, American pols. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Because, only those with a liberal bent want to be in charge of other people. Sure, legit conservatives like to run successful businesses, but they look at it as being a producer, not a boss of people. If anything, conservative businessmen consider themselves a net positive to society because they create opportunities for people to work hard and create their own weatlh. Do you mean personality-wise? I don't think that's true. Look at this history of monarchy. The next guy in line almost always couldn't wait to be King. And monarchs were overwhelmingly in favor of preserving the status quo or restoring old traditions. But I digress. I guess I was thinking in terms of mondern, American pols. So.....what did you do in Chicago? |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 10:00:56 PM EDT
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In Texas, if you have a CHL and a brisk wind exposes your weapon, or if its accidently seen you have not violated any law. Typical GD lockstep mentality, if I'm anti OC I'm anti gun. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not that I would open carry, but it's just another reason I'm glad I left. LoL I've stated elsewhere that I was once on the fence about OC, and when all this came up with the multiple threads and seeing these goofy paulbots pushing it so hard, I came down against it. My question is why does anyone want to OC? I open carried as a cop for over 35 years in two states, , had to fight over it multiple times and had co workers shot and killed with their own gun after losing it. I don't get this. I think concealed carry should be granted with a NICS check, but when you're toting a gun for the world to see that's a heavy responsibility. If you change a principle because of the foolish actions of a few, you never really had a principle to begin with. If you believe that civil rights are okay with permission of the state, then you are not for civil rights,. OC is important because, in my state, if I CCW and want to take my jacket off because it is hot or I want to sit down and eat or want to load boxes of books into my truck I can without fear of arrest because OC is also legal here. Not so much in Texas. I can go from CCW to OC as I wish and as the circumstances dictate. If you are against OC, you are also anti-gun IMHO. In Texas, if you have a CHL and a brisk wind exposes your weapon, or if its accidently seen you have not violated any law. Typical GD lockstep mentality, if I'm anti OC I'm anti gun. And you haven't violated any law when you are pulled over and appear drunk but blow a .07 either, but you're less likely to be wrongly or falsely arrested if you are completely sober... |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 10:01:38 PM EDT
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The Texas Senate has 20 Republicans and 11 Democrats. I think we should know who these Republicans are that oppose OC. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Charles Cotton has been dedicating himself pro-bono to the NRA and TSRA longer than some of the people here have been alive. He isn't popular with the "but I want it now!' crowd because he is actually down at the Capitol quite a bit and frequently shits reality on their ideas, albeit very politely. Look, I know nothing about Mr. Cotton, but if EVER there was a year when Texas could expect to get OC, it's this year. The brand new governor came into office declaring he wanted to sign OC into law. What is the damned problem here? Pretty simple, they don't have the votes to bring it to the floor. And acting like OCT did isn't going to get any Democrats to support it. The Texas Senate has 20 Republicans and 11 Democrats. I think we should know who these Republicans are that oppose OC. They need 21 to bring this bill to the floor. We don't have the numbers. We needed a couple Democrats. OCT gave them an excuse. No Republicans are at fault. |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 10:01:59 PM EDT
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I guess I was thinking in terms of mondern, American pols. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Because, only those with a liberal bent want to be in charge of other people. Sure, legit conservatives like to run successful businesses, but they look at it as being a producer, not a boss of people. If anything, conservative businessmen consider themselves a net positive to society because they create opportunities for people to work hard and create their own weatlh. Do you mean personality-wise? I don't think that's true. Look at this history of monarchy. The next guy in line almost always couldn't wait to be King. And monarchs were overwhelmingly in favor of preserving the status quo or restoring old traditions. But I digress. I guess I was thinking in terms of mondern, American pols. You may very well be right about modern America. I just wonder what is so different about us today, and our ancestors a few hundred years ago. |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 10:04:56 PM EDT
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They need 21 to bring this bill to the floor. We don't have the numbers. We needed a couple Democrats. OCT gave them an excuse. No Republicans are at fault. Quote HistoryQuoted:
They need 21 to bring this bill to the floor. We don't have the numbers. We needed a couple Democrats. OCT gave them an excuse. No Republicans are at fault. Actually, they now only need 19. Dan Patrick is behind the rule change. What a tangled web... http://www.texastribune.org/2015/01/21/change-procedure-senate-democrats-lose-clout/ With a new lieutenant governor installed for the first time in over a decade Wednesday — and over the cries of Democrats — the Texas Senate voted to break from an almost 70-year tradition intended to encourage compromise among its 31 members.
Now the approval of only 19 senators instead of 21 will be required to bring legislation to the floor for debate. The change — passed on a vote of 20-10 — has the practical effect of allowing Republicans to consider a bill without a single vote from one of the chamber's 11 Democrats. Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick, who presides over the Senate, has targeted the tradition known as the “two-thirds rule” since he first entered the Legislature in 2007. ETA: So the question, I suppose, becomes "Who is this one Republican who is against bringing it to a floor vote?" |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 10:05:19 PM EDT
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So.....what did you do in Chicago? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Because, only those with a liberal bent want to be in charge of other people. Sure, legit conservatives like to run successful businesses, but they look at it as being a producer, not a boss of people. If anything, conservative businessmen consider themselves a net positive to society because they create opportunities for people to work hard and create their own weatlh. Do you mean personality-wise? I don't think that's true. Look at this history of monarchy. The next guy in line almost always couldn't wait to be King. And monarchs were overwhelmingly in favor of preserving the status quo or restoring old traditions. But I digress. I guess I was thinking in terms of mondern, American pols. So.....what did you do in Chicago? Worked. 
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Posted: 1/27/2015 10:07:10 PM EDT
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Actually, they now only need 19. Dan Patrick is behind the rule change. What a tangled web... http://www.texastribune.org/2015/01/21/change-procedure-senate-democrats-lose-clout/ ETA: So the question, I suppose, becomes "Who is this one Republican who is against bringing it to a floor vote?" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They need 21 to bring this bill to the floor. We don't have the numbers. We needed a couple Democrats. OCT gave them an excuse. No Republicans are at fault. Actually, they now only need 19. Dan Patrick is behind the rule change. What a tangled web... http://www.texastribune.org/2015/01/21/change-procedure-senate-democrats-lose-clout/ With a new lieutenant governor installed for the first time in over a decade Wednesday — and over the cries of Democrats — the Texas Senate voted to break from an almost 70-year tradition intended to encourage compromise among its 31 members.
Now the approval of only 19 senators instead of 21 will be required to bring legislation to the floor for debate. The change — passed on a vote of 20-10 — has the practical effect of allowing Republicans to consider a bill without a single vote from one of the chamber's 11 Democrats. Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick, who presides over the Senate, has targeted the tradition known as the “two-thirds rule” since he first entered the Legislature in 2007. ETA: So the question, I suppose, becomes "Who is this one Republican who is against bringing it to a floor vote?" It is my understanding that the rule change doesn't apply to bills already filled before this session. |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 10:07:59 PM EDT
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It is my understanding that the rule change doesn't apply to bills already filled before this session. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They need 21 to bring this bill to the floor. We don't have the numbers. We needed a couple Democrats. OCT gave them an excuse. No Republicans are at fault. Actually, they now only need 19. Dan Patrick is behind the rule change. What a tangled web... http://www.texastribune.org/2015/01/21/change-procedure-senate-democrats-lose-clout/ With a new lieutenant governor installed for the first time in over a decade Wednesday — and over the cries of Democrats — the Texas Senate voted to break from an almost 70-year tradition intended to encourage compromise among its 31 members.
Now the approval of only 19 senators instead of 21 will be required to bring legislation to the floor for debate. The change — passed on a vote of 20-10 — has the practical effect of allowing Republicans to consider a bill without a single vote from one of the chamber's 11 Democrats. Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick, who presides over the Senate, has targeted the tradition known as the “two-thirds rule” since he first entered the Legislature in 2007. ETA: So the question, I suppose, becomes "Who is this one Republican who is against bringing it to a floor vote?" It is my understanding that the rule change doesn't apply to bills already filled before this session. Easy fix, re-file another one with basically the same language. |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 10:08:28 PM EDT
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Look, I know nothing about Mr. Cotton, but if EVER there was a year when Texas could expect to get OC, it's this year. The brand new governor came into office declaring he wanted to sign OC into law. What is the damned problem here? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Charles Cotton has been dedicating himself pro-bono to the NRA and TSRA longer than some of the people here have been alive. He isn't popular with the "but I want it now!' crowd because he is actually down at the Capitol quite a bit and frequently shits reality on their ideas, albeit very politely. Look, I know nothing about Mr. Cotton, but if EVER there was a year when Texas could expect to get OC, it's this year. The brand new governor came into office declaring he wanted to sign OC into law. What is the damned problem here? I agree. Lt. Gov. Patrick's comments aside, this is still the best opportunity we have had in years to get open carry passed. If it goes up for a vote, I am 100% positive it will pass the House and the Senate. There are three problems holding this up: 1) It appears that Gov. Abbott isn't going to make this a priority by naming it emergency legislation - so it is subject to the normal legislative process. 2) Needs 21 votes in the Senate to be considered for a vote - only 20 Republicans 3) The Speaker of the House is Joe Straus, who last session appointed a Democrat to chair the committee that hears gun legislation. Not surprisingly, that committee chair (Joe Pickett - D El Paso) did not get around to scheduling any votes on open carry. The Speaker of the House is still Joe Straus. We've yet to learn who the Committee Chair for Homeland Security and Public Safety will be. |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 10:09:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not that I would open carry, but it's just another reason I'm glad I left. But you are in Colorado now????? |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 10:09:57 PM EDT
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It is my understanding that the rule change doesn't apply to bills already filled before this session. Withdraw the current open carry bill and submit a new one that is adequately different. |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 10:10:02 PM EDT
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Easy fix, re-file another one with basically the same language. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They need 21 to bring this bill to the floor. We don't have the numbers. We needed a couple Democrats. OCT gave them an excuse. No Republicans are at fault. Actually, they now only need 19. Dan Patrick is behind the rule change. What a tangled web... http://www.texastribune.org/2015/01/21/change-procedure-senate-democrats-lose-clout/ With a new lieutenant governor installed for the first time in over a decade Wednesday — and over the cries of Democrats — the Texas Senate voted to break from an almost 70-year tradition intended to encourage compromise among its 31 members.
Now the approval of only 19 senators instead of 21 will be required to bring legislation to the floor for debate. The change — passed on a vote of 20-10 — has the practical effect of allowing Republicans to consider a bill without a single vote from one of the chamber's 11 Democrats. Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick, who presides over the Senate, has targeted the tradition known as the “two-thirds rule” since he first entered the Legislature in 2007. ETA: So the question, I suppose, becomes "Who is this one Republican who is against bringing it to a floor vote?" It is my understanding that the rule change doesn't apply to bills already filled before this session. Easy fix, re-file another one with basically the same language. That is a good idea actually. |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 10:13:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Look, I know nothing about Mr. Cotton, but if EVER there was a year when Texas could expect to get OC, it's this year. The brand new governor came into office declaring he wanted to sign OC into law. What is the damned problem here? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Charles Cotton has been dedicating himself pro-bono to the NRA and TSRA longer than some of the people here have been alive. He isn't popular with the "but I want it now!' crowd because he is actually down at the Capitol quite a bit and frequently shits reality on their ideas, albeit very politely. Look, I know nothing about Mr. Cotton, but if EVER there was a year when Texas could expect to get OC, it's this year. The brand new governor came into office declaring he wanted to sign OC into law. What is the damned problem here? |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 10:14:06 PM EDT
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So wait, we are blaming the open carry people and not the politicians that are denying Texans their rights? This, it's comical. |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 10:16:55 PM EDT
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Good job open carry hipster dicks I love seeing NY and CO chime in on gun bills. There's nobody better to know how precious a right can be than someone who has been denied it. We appreciate what many of you take for granted. This........ OTOH, it is a bit disingenuous to point out the failings of the actions of other people when the people of your own community failed much, much worse. Really.......OK then......... |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 10:18:09 PM EDT
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Because, only those with a liberal bent want to be in charge of other people. Sure, legit conservatives like to run successful businesses, but they look at it as being a producer, not a boss of people. If anything, conservative businessmen consider themselves a net positive to society because they create opportunities for people to work hard and create their own weatlh. Do you mean personality-wise? I don't think that's true. Look at this history of monarchy. The next guy in line almost always couldn't wait to be King. And monarchs were overwhelmingly in favor of preserving the status quo or restoring old traditions. But I digress. I guess I was thinking in terms of mondern, American pols. So.....what did you do in Chicago? Worked. sure you did |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 10:20:09 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/27/2015 10:20:55 PM EDT
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Which is why I'm looking at moving there. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If only there was someplace left that was still free..... http://www.clker.com/cliparts/7/6/2/1/13147373821030202912Arizona%20Outline%20with%20Flag.svg.hi.png  Good. Dibs on food from your dinner pics. 
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Posted: 1/27/2015 10:26:18 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/27/2015 10:29:08 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/27/2015 10:42:10 PM EDT
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The great Jerry knows how to do it right!
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Posted: 1/27/2015 10:44:24 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/27/2015 10:45:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThat's a lot of butt hurt from a guy with no skin in the game. |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 10:48:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's a lot of butt hurt from a guy with no skin in the game. Quote HistoryQuoted: That's a lot of butt hurt from a guy with no skin in the game. My wife and I were actually planning on moving to Texas and investing in the Texas Economy. I was scouting property and jobs. My wife was really excited to open a CPA Firm in Texas. But instead we're going to take our money (skin in the game) and go else where. Texas just lost two conservative latinos. |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 10:49:10 PM EDT
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My wife and I were actually planning on moving to Texas and investing in the Texas Economy. I was scouting property and jobs. My wife was really excited to open a CPA Firm in Texas. But instead we're going to take our money (skin in the game) and go else where. Texas just lost two conservative latinos. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's a lot of butt hurt from a guy with no skin in the game. My wife and I were actually planning on moving to Texas and investing in the Texas Economy. I was scouting property and jobs. My wife was really excited to open a CPA Firm in Texas. But instead we're going to take our money (skin in the game) and go else where. Texas just lost two conservative latinos. Well wherever you go, good luck. |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 10:50:06 PM EDT
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I'm in an OC state and never, ever have a problem showing my carry pistol accidentally. You sound like one of those guys that thinks OWB is concealed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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OC is important because, in my state, if I CCW and want to take my jacket off because it is hot or I want to sit down and eat or want to load boxes of books into my truck I can without fear of arrest because OC is also legal here. Not so much in Texas. I can go from CCW to OC as I wish and as the circumstances dictate. If you are against OC, you are also anti-gun IMHO. I'm in an OC state and never, ever have a problem showing my carry pistol accidentally. You sound like one of those guys that thinks OWB is concealed. Once upon a time in FL, if you printed you could get harassed for "brandishing". Unsure if the laws have changed since. |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 10:50:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well wherever you go, good luck. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: That's a lot of butt hurt from a guy with no skin in the game. My wife and I were actually planning on moving to Texas and investing in the Texas Economy. I was scouting property and jobs. My wife was really excited to open a CPA Firm in Texas. But instead we're going to take our money (skin in the game) and go else where. Texas just lost two conservative latinos. Well wherever you go, good luck. I'm looking at the promise land! Arizona!
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Posted: 1/27/2015 10:50:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Once upon a time in FL, if you printed you could get harassed for "brandishing". Unsure if the laws have changed since. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: OC is important because, in my state, if I CCW and want to take my jacket off because it is hot or I want to sit down and eat or want to load boxes of books into my truck I can without fear of arrest because OC is also legal here. Not so much in Texas. I can go from CCW to OC as I wish and as the circumstances dictate. If you are against OC, you are also anti-gun IMHO. I'm in an OC state and never, ever have a problem showing my carry pistol accidentally. You sound like one of those guys that thinks OWB is concealed. Once upon a time in FL, if you printed you could get harassed for "brandishing". Unsure if the laws have changed since. |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 10:52:02 PM EDT
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It sure as fuck isn't Texas and and the OCT assholes are part to blame. I'm looking at the promise land! Arizona! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's a lot of butt hurt from a guy with no skin in the game. My wife and I were actually planning on moving to Texas and investing in the Texas Economy. I was scouting property and jobs. My wife was really excited to open a CPA Firm in Texas. But instead we're going to take our money (skin in the game) and go else where. Texas just lost two conservative latinos. Well wherever you go, good luck. I'm looking at the promise land! Arizona! Beautiful state. Be sure to check out Bisbee
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Posted: 1/27/2015 10:55:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No argument there, wife's family is from Nebraska. Shame you have all that below zero temp stuff going on though. BTW: Can you hunt from helicopters with that suppressor? .  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Since your post are more entertaining at the moment... Nebraska is better because we have open carry, concealed carry, own and hunt with suppressors, SBR's, etc etc... No argument there, wife's family is from Nebraska. Shame you have all that below zero temp stuff going on though. BTW: Can you hunt from helicopters with that suppressor? . |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 10:59:05 PM EDT
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Hey Texas.
I think I will open carry a pistol tomorrow. I live in a free state. |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 10:59:57 PM EDT
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Can't wait to get out of here to a free state. LOL. Come to Idaho. Guns are more than welcome here. http://www.the-minuteman.org/sites/default/files/Barron%20Barnett/DSC_0831.jpg ya, but your women are pretty ugly. no homo |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 11:00:27 PM EDT
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Paulbots gonna paulbot Gr Johnsontards gonna Johnsontard 19 Republicans, 11 Democrats. Tx needed 2 dems jumping party line. "Libertarians" persuaded all of them to vote D Party platform with TSRA D+ rated Nevarez. It's all over MSM and social media. Wouldn't be surprised if Wendy Davis, Holder and FBHO called on every dem Senator to vote party line. Shocking, they are Ferguson Occupy copblock and have many apologists.
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Posted: 1/27/2015 11:01:45 PM EDT
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I thought Texas was as free as it get's  LOL |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 11:04:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Johnsontards gonna Johnsontard 19 Republicans, 11 Democrats. Tx needed 2 dems jumping party line. "Libertarians" persuaded all of them to vote D Party platform with TSRA D+ rated Nevarez. It's all over MSM and social media. Wouldn't be surprised if Wendy Davis, Holder and FBHO called on every dem Senator to vote party line. Shocking, they are Ferguson Occupy copblock and have many apologists.  http://youtu.be/MbfxRQRQOTYQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Paulbots gonna paulbot Gr Johnsontards gonna Johnsontard 19 Republicans, 11 Democrats. Tx needed 2 dems jumping party line. "Libertarians" persuaded all of them to vote D Party platform with TSRA D+ rated Nevarez. It's all over MSM and social media. Wouldn't be surprised if Wendy Davis, Holder and FBHO called on every dem Senator to vote party line. Shocking, they are Ferguson Occupy copblock and have many apologists. http://youtu.be/MbfxRQRQOTYHere is your Open Carry Messiah! He is the one that will bring you to the promise land and give you Cheeto Dust and Mountain Dew! Nice work folks!        Another Prophet of Open Carry!  +6 Jacob Cordova flashes the peace sign in front of two Texas police officers while he carries a weapon strapped to his back  Cardova was arrested last week after he pulled up to film a traffic stop while carrying a black powder revolver on his hip - which he says is legal under Texas law |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 11:06:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My first choice is open carry, and I hope that by some miracle it gets to the floor for a vote. I don't support campus carry, because I fundamentally oppose carve outs for special interest groups. But I will say, the epic amount of butt hurt I am seeing here from certain members (inclusing those in-austin) makes up for the let down.  Uh huh.
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Posted: 1/27/2015 11:06:48 PM EDT
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Hey Texas. I think I will open carry a pistol tomorrow. I live in a free state. Yeah, good luck with that. Your state has its own issues. |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 11:09:15 PM EDT
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Wait that can't be true. Our liberty squad assured us that OC of a rifle everywhere would guarantee moar freedoms!
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Posted: 1/27/2015 11:10:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My wife and I were actually planning on moving to Texas and investing in the Texas Economy. I was scouting property and jobs. My wife was really excited to open a CPA Firm in Texas. But instead we're going to take our money (skin in the game) and go else where. Texas just lost two conservative latinos. Sorry to hear that, best of luck wherever you guys land... |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 11:11:15 PM EDT
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You know this whole thing is kinda odd.
On one hand you have states like Virginia and many others where OC has been legal for generations where more gun owners than I'd like to admit look down their noses at OCers. We have had numerous polls on OC here in GD and they bear-out my thoughts in both votes and comments. I OC a lot more than CC these days. Hopefully I don't come across as tard while doing so but I've yet to see anyone look twice. On the other hand you have a state like Texas that has not enjoyed OC in generations but get all butt-hurt when a individual or group OCs a long gun in a way that does not suit them. Hurts the "cause" they say. I submit that you can't have it both ways but it seems that is exactly what is going on in the gun owning community. "A house divided" and all that. OC, use it in a sane way or lose it.
As for the fool that threatened the reprehensive it seems to me Texans need to police their own when they get out of line like that. There has been more than one occasion where a VCDL member has been taken aside and pointedly reminded which side his bread is buttered on. There are always yahoos in any movement. |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 11:11:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, good luck with that. Your state has its own issues. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Hey Texas. I think I will open carry a pistol tomorrow. I live in a free state. Yeah, good luck with that. Your state has its own issues. I'm sorry... what was that? |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 11:14:41 PM EDT
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So, you don't support doing away with a category of "gun-free zone". Uh huh. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My first choice is open carry, and I hope that by some miracle it gets to the floor for a vote. I don't support campus carry, because I fundamentally oppose carve outs for special interest groups. But I will say, the epic amount of butt hurt I am seeing here from certain members (inclusing those in-austin) makes up for the let down. Uh huh. Not if does not apply to everyone. Equal protection under the law and all that... |
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