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Posted: 1/28/2015 5:03:17 AM EDT
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Hahahahahaha!!!!!!! You think that the current administration would do a more thorough job of opposing communism?? 
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Yeah, I'd mostly agree in terms of their mentality... But where are they gonna get the weaponry for a proper revolution? Nowhere, unless we supply them with it. It would be easier to just drop a couple Ranger Battalions in and be done with it. I would not complain if my tax payer dollars went to supplying M4s to Cubans. In my opinion, direct interference/assistance shouldn't occur until the Cubans themselves formed a fighting force. That didn't work out so well the last time we tried it. I know. Kennedy hasn't been president for a while though. We could make it work this time if we actually grew a set of nuts. Hahahahahaha!!!!!!! You think that the current administration would do a more thorough job of opposing communism??
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Posted: 1/28/2015 5:03:36 AM EDT
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CIA compromised the operation, and set the ex-pats up for major failure. It's a very interesting story. During the Cold War, there was always this speech mentioned where Kruschev talked about a ruse that would make the US think Russia was going to be a partner in peace. Within the military establishment, whisperings and scenarios involving Cuba seemed to surface every so often. It's one of the premises to Red Dawn. We were really uncomfortable with Cuba being partners with the Soviet Union, since they provide strategic depth for a foreign army allied with Cuba. I'm very suspicious of this Comrade Obama BS, to be totally honest. Keep in mind that he is pushing hard to get this done before his term is up. Why the rush? Just another fire being lit by the destroyer from within, from my perspective. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yeah, I'd mostly agree in terms of their mentality... But where are they gonna get the weaponry for a proper revolution? Nowhere, unless we supply them with it. It would be easier to just drop a couple Ranger Battalions in and be done with it. I would not complain if my tax payer dollars went to supplying M4s to Cubans. In my opinion, direct interference/assistance shouldn't occur until the Cubans themselves formed a fighting force. That didn't work out so well the last time we tried it. CIA compromised the operation, and set the ex-pats up for major failure. It's a very interesting story. During the Cold War, there was always this speech mentioned where Kruschev talked about a ruse that would make the US think Russia was going to be a partner in peace. Within the military establishment, whisperings and scenarios involving Cuba seemed to surface every so often. It's one of the premises to Red Dawn. We were really uncomfortable with Cuba being partners with the Soviet Union, since they provide strategic depth for a foreign army allied with Cuba. I'm very suspicious of this Comrade Obama BS, to be totally honest. Keep in mind that he is pushing hard to get this done before his term is up. Why the rush? Just another fire being lit by the destroyer from within, from my perspective. Any reading references? |
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Posted: 1/28/2015 5:07:24 AM EDT
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CIA compromised the operation, and set the ex-pats up for major failure. It's a very interesting story. During the Cold War, there was always this speech mentioned where Kruschev talked about a ruse that would make the US think Russia was going to be a partner in peace. Within the military establishment, whisperings and scenarios involving Cuba seemed to surface every so often. It's one of the premises to Red Dawn. We were really uncomfortable with Cuba being partners with the Soviet Union, since they provide strategic depth for a foreign army allied with Cuba. I'm very suspicious of this Comrade Obama BS, to be totally honest. Keep in mind that he is pushing hard to get this done before his term is up. Why the rush? Just another fire being lit by the destroyer from within, from my perspective. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yeah, I'd mostly agree in terms of their mentality... But where are they gonna get the weaponry for a proper revolution? Nowhere, unless we supply them with it. It would be easier to just drop a couple Ranger Battalions in and be done with it. I would not complain if my tax payer dollars went to supplying M4s to Cubans. In my opinion, direct interference/assistance shouldn't occur until the Cubans themselves formed a fighting force. That didn't work out so well the last time we tried it. CIA compromised the operation, and set the ex-pats up for major failure. It's a very interesting story. During the Cold War, there was always this speech mentioned where Kruschev talked about a ruse that would make the US think Russia was going to be a partner in peace. Within the military establishment, whisperings and scenarios involving Cuba seemed to surface every so often. It's one of the premises to Red Dawn. We were really uncomfortable with Cuba being partners with the Soviet Union, since they provide strategic depth for a foreign army allied with Cuba. I'm very suspicious of this Comrade Obama BS, to be totally honest. Keep in mind that he is pushing hard to get this done before his term is up. Why the rush? Just another fire being lit by the destroyer from within, from my perspective. You haven't lost me on your argument. I'm too drunk to have a rational discussion (just being honest), but it's pretty clear to anyone with an objective viewpoint that he doesn't even attempt to serve America's best interests. The only thing I can't decide at this point is whether he serves his own personal interests, or someone else's. His policies certainly don't improve the US of A as a whole... Edited for grammar. |
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Posted: 1/28/2015 5:23:43 AM EDT
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The CIA was penetrated by the Soviet NKVD before the CIA was even formed, back in the end of the OSS days.
One of the biggest goals the Command General's Staff had in the Politburo was to establish strategic depth in Latin America, and begin a domino effect as part of the revolution. After a series of colossal "failures" in Eastern Europe, the same CIA doubles working for the KGB then were relocated to Latin American Bureau to repeat the same basic template they used against Czechoslovakia and Hungary, which is... Acting in official capacity as US Foreign Intelligence Services officers of the Clandestine Services, these doubles work in the region building relationships of trust with host nations, defense attache's, supporting allies, and most importantly, the actual resistance groups to the revolution. Before major resistance groups or ex pats trained and equipped by the CIA make their decisive moves, these same CS officers/doubles notify the targeted figures that the operation is getting ready to initiate, so they are prepared. They often would use covert means to execute or capture the resistance fighters in Europe, before Soviet tanks came rolling in. Castro new fully the location and disposition of the US-supplied ex-pats, and what exactly to do to prevent them from establishing a beach head. Kennedy's CIA liaison for Operation Zapata even directly disobeyed his orders when it was time to send in the Nicaraguan pilots in A-26's to destroy Castro's air assets. The Russians are very good at placing doubles where they need them, and are extremely bold about it. |
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Posted: 1/28/2015 5:38:36 AM EDT
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The CIA was penetrated by the Soviet NKVD before the CIA was even formed, back in the end of the OSS days. One of the biggest goals the Command General's Staff had in the Politburo was to establish strategic depth in Latin America, and begin a domino effect as part of the revolution. After a series of colossal "failures" in Eastern Europe, the same CIA doubles working for the KGB then were relocated to Latin American Bureau to repeat the same basic template they used against Czechoslovakia and Hungary, which is... Acting in official capacity as US Foreign Intelligence Services officers of the Clandestine Services, these doubles work in the region building relationships of trust with host nations, defense attache's, supporting allies, and most importantly, the actual resistance groups to the revolution. Before major resistance groups or ex pats trained and equipped by the CIA make their decisive moves, these same CS officers/doubles notify the targeted figures that the operation is getting ready to initiate, so they are prepared. They often would use covert means to execute or capture the resistance fighters in Europe, before Soviet tanks came rolling in. Castro new fully the location and disposition of the US-supplied ex-pats, and what exactly to do to prevent them from establishing a beach head. Kennedy's CIA liaison for Operation Zapata even directly disobeyed his orders when it was time to send in the Nicaraguan pilots in A-26's to destroy Castro's air assets. The Russians are very good at placing doubles where they need them, and are extremely bold about it. Well. You taught me something new. Basically Bay of Pigs was the Soviet spies intentionally fucking up American operations? |
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Posted: 1/28/2015 8:35:36 AM EDT
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GD, Doing business with communist governments, But boycotting Leathermen. The computer I'm typing this on was manufactured by citizens of a Communist country. And I think my Leatherman is fine, honestly. |
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Posted: 1/28/2015 9:27:46 AM EDT
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That didn't work out so well the last time we tried it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yeah, I'd mostly agree in terms of their mentality... But where are they gonna get the weaponry for a proper revolution? Nowhere, unless we supply them with it. It would be easier to just drop a couple Ranger Battalions in and be done with it. I would not complain if my tax payer dollars went to supplying M4s to Cubans. In my opinion, direct interference/assistance shouldn't occur until the Cubans themselves formed a fighting force. That didn't work out so well the last time we tried it. Yeah, America became James Yeager. |
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Posted: 1/28/2015 8:16:57 PM EDT
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Roebuck, they want to go there for diving, the beaches, and some to go for the Cuban prostitutes. Check out the other threads. |
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Posted: 1/28/2015 8:18:59 PM EDT
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just out of curiosity, do you own anything made in germany, or japan? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Their country their rules. The US doesn't need to be getting involved to telling other countries how to operate..unless they attack us or sponsor groups who attack us. Lift the damn embargo already. Why do you want to send money and aid to a government that tortured and killed my family? just out of curiosity, do you own anything made in germany, or japan? Or buy gasoline? |
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Posted: 1/28/2015 8:25:54 PM EDT
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I agree. If you gonna lift the embargo, destroy the regime. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think that we should overthrow the Castro government, then lift the embargo. Also, there'd be more utility in embargoing the Chinese, than lifting the embargo on Cuba. I agree. If you gonna lift the embargo, destroy the regime. If the US really enforced the embargo, stopped remittances, stopped travel, quarantined the island allowing nothing in or out. Maybe that might have an effect. |
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Posted: 1/28/2015 8:51:01 PM EDT
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You mean the dictatorship there doesn't want to give up power? Shocked...
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Posted: 1/28/2015 9:03:00 PM EDT
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I'm always in favor of more freedom, not less. If I want to sell something of mine to a Cuban (or vice versa), I'd appreciate it people didn't use guns to tell me I'm not allowed to. This. Also, don't give them any money. Just allow commerce to take place and the regime will weaken from within. |
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Posted: 1/28/2015 9:04:15 PM EDT
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I honestly don't care. I want American companies to have the freedom to sell their shit to Cubans if they want to. And vice versa. Isolationism sucks.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm not interested in sending aid. I am, however, interested in spreading freedom and we're not doing much of that in Cuba with the embargo in place. There are a lot of Cubans in America that are still operating under the fantasy that their property will be returned to them at some point. I assure you that no matter what we do that is not going to happen. I'm doubting ending the embargo will spread freedom, but just give more $ to Castro. I honestly don't care. I want American companies to have the freedom to sell their shit to Cubans if they want to. And vice versa. Isolationism sucks. Amen Brother. |
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Posted: 1/28/2015 9:05:41 PM EDT
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The Government of Cuba would confiscate whatever you transacted with the Cuban people. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm always in favor of more freedom, not less. If I want to sell something of mine to a Cuban (or vice versa), I'd appreciate it people didn't use guns to tell me I'm not allowed to. The Government of Cuba would confiscate whatever you transacted with the Cuban people. All of it? Really? |
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Posted: 1/28/2015 9:08:11 PM EDT
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being a communist country, that mean's you're directly doing business with the Cuban government. Since all business, means of producing are owned by the gov and required permits. You'd have to be dealing directly with the Castro's. a Government known by the U.S. and abroad for being state sponsors of terrorism, torture, imprisoning, etc. with Exiles and living casualties of that government being U.S. Citizens now themselves. There's a reason the Cuban Population here wants no one dealing with the Government there, because any material aid, or transaction there, the Government gets their slice, and that's money and Material aid that the government then uses against the Cuban people. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm always in favor of more freedom, not less. If I want to sell something of mine to a Cuban (or vice versa), I'd appreciate it people didn't use guns to tell me I'm not allowed to. The Government of Cuba would confiscate whatever you transacted with the Cuban people. Not my problem. being a communist country, that mean's you're directly doing business with the Cuban government. Since all business, means of producing are owned by the gov and required permits. You'd have to be dealing directly with the Castro's. a Government known by the U.S. and abroad for being state sponsors of terrorism, torture, imprisoning, etc. with Exiles and living casualties of that government being U.S. Citizens now themselves. There's a reason the Cuban Population here wants no one dealing with the Government there, because any material aid, or transaction there, the Government gets their slice, and that's money and Material aid that the government then uses against the Cuban people. Look at how amazing your stupid fucking ideas have worked out so far. 
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Posted: 1/28/2015 9:11:21 PM EDT
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With what money will the Cuban people being buying goods from you? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm always in favor of more freedom, not less. If I want to sell something of mine to a Cuban (or vice versa), I'd appreciate it people didn't use guns to tell me I'm not allowed to. Start small. Every economy does. |
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Posted: 1/28/2015 9:22:03 PM EDT
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Start small. Every economy does. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm always in favor of more freedom, not less. If I want to sell something of mine to a Cuban (or vice versa), I'd appreciate it people didn't use guns to tell me I'm not allowed to. Start small. Every economy does. Repeat after me 90% taxation with further fuck yous of dual currency coversions. There is no money in CUBAN that is not in th hands of the corrupt or the criminal Castro families. |
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Posted: 1/28/2015 10:11:32 PM EDT
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Repeat after me 90% taxation with further fuck yous of dual currency coversions. There is no money in CUBAN that is not in th hands of the corrupt or the criminal Castro families. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm always in favor of more freedom, not less. If I want to sell something of mine to a Cuban (or vice versa), I'd appreciate it people didn't use guns to tell me I'm not allowed to. Start small. Every economy does. Repeat after me 90% taxation with further fuck yous of dual currency coversions. There is no money in CUBAN that is not in th hands of the corrupt or the criminal Castro families. 10% is more than they had. |
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Posted: 1/28/2015 10:12:12 PM EDT
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Repeat after me 90% taxation with further fuck yous of dual currency coversions. There is no money in CUBAN that is not in th hands of the corrupt or the criminal Castro families. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm always in favor of more freedom, not less. If I want to sell something of mine to a Cuban (or vice versa), I'd appreciate it people didn't use guns to tell me I'm not allowed to. Start small. Every economy does. Repeat after me 90% taxation with further fuck yous of dual currency coversions. There is no money in CUBAN that is not in th hands of the corrupt or the criminal Castro families. He obviously know's the situation better there than actual Cubans apparently. |
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Posted: 1/28/2015 10:12:35 PM EDT
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10% is more than they had. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm always in favor of more freedom, not less. If I want to sell something of mine to a Cuban (or vice versa), I'd appreciate it people didn't use guns to tell me I'm not allowed to. Start small. Every economy does. Repeat after me 90% taxation with further fuck yous of dual currency coversions. There is no money in CUBAN that is not in th hands of the corrupt or the criminal Castro families. 10% is more than they had. but 90% more for the government. |
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Posted: 1/28/2015 10:35:44 PM EDT
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but 90% more for the government. You have the definition of insanity boiled down into an art form. If your ideas don't work just scream louder. |
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Posted: 1/28/2015 10:41:40 PM EDT
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Look at how amazing your stupid fucking ideas have worked out so far. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm always in favor of more freedom, not less. If I want to sell something of mine to a Cuban (or vice versa), I'd appreciate it people didn't use guns to tell me I'm not allowed to. The Government of Cuba would confiscate whatever you transacted with the Cuban people. Not my problem. being a communist country, that mean's you're directly doing business with the Cuban government. Since all business, means of producing are owned by the gov and required permits. You'd have to be dealing directly with the Castro's. a Government known by the U.S. and abroad for being state sponsors of terrorism, torture, imprisoning, etc. with Exiles and living casualties of that government being U.S. Citizens now themselves. There's a reason the Cuban Population here wants no one dealing with the Government there, because any material aid, or transaction there, the Government gets their slice, and that's money and Material aid that the government then uses against the Cuban people. Look at how amazing your stupid fucking ideas have worked out so far. They have worked out just fine. Cuba is a wreck and has been for years. We have lost nothing. |
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Posted: 1/28/2015 10:42:28 PM EDT
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Our communist government is flying back and forth to suck communist dick.
DC to Cuba. Suck Dick. Cuba to DC. Repeat. |
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Posted: 1/28/2015 10:46:59 PM EDT
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They have worked out just fine. Cuba is a wreck and has been for years. We have lost nothing. Really? We have lost 40 years of influencing the minds and hearts of the general population there through commerce. |
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Posted: 1/28/2015 10:47:06 PM EDT
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but 90% more for the government. You have the definition of insanity boiled down into an art form. If your ideas don't work just scream louder. 
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Posted: 1/28/2015 10:47:48 PM EDT
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Really? We have lost 40 years of influencing the minds and hearts of the general population there through commerce. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They have worked out just fine. Cuba is a wreck and has been for years. We have lost nothing. Really? We have lost 40 years of influencing the minds and hearts of the general population there through commerce. LOL. |
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Posted: 1/28/2015 10:51:51 PM EDT
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but 90% more for the government. You have the definition of insanity boiled down into an art form. If your ideas don't work just scream louder. http://www.homestoriesatoz.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/keep-calm-and-don-t-feed-the-troll-6.png http://i1270.photobucket.com/albums/jj606/roebuck1020/arfcomgdderp_zpsa1d12c8c.png I'm responding with an opposing view point. Please explain how that is trolling? Do you think taunting me with names is going to win the argument like it did in grade school? |
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Posted: 1/28/2015 10:59:04 PM EDT
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I'm responding with an opposing view point.[ LOL.] Please explain how that is trolling? Do you think taunting me with names is going to win the argument like it did in grade school? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 1/28/2015 11:02:56 PM EDT
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Really? We have lost 40 years of influencing the minds and hearts of the general population there through commerce. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They have worked out just fine. Cuba is a wreck and has been for years. We have lost nothing. Really? We have lost 40 years of influencing the minds and hearts of the general population there through commerce. You seem to conveniently leave out certain parts of that equation, ironic considering Cuba has had access to the rest of the world this whole time. I wonder why it still sucks for the people there? And again, we have lost nothing. Cuba is not a large market in any measure. |
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Posted: 1/28/2015 11:04:29 PM EDT
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Their country their rules. The US doesn't need to be getting involved to telling other countries how to operate..unless they attack us or sponsor groups who attack us. Lift the damn embargo already. Lifting the embargo abnd telling them how to operate are not the same thing. They have been trading with the rest of the world for decades and life still sucks for most people there. Us lifting the embargo ain't gonna help those people, it will just fund their fucked up government. |
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Posted: 1/28/2015 11:06:48 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/28/2015 11:14:11 PM EDT
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It's so fucking stupid.
We could take Cuba in a day. In a day with minimal to no loses. The whole thing would be over quick and with all the Cuban Americans we could return to the Island there wouldn't be any insurgency bullshit. The Cuban Communist government has no big friends like the Soviet Union anymore to worry about. Why we don't just go in and liberate that nation is beyond me. |
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Posted: 1/28/2015 11:24:51 PM EDT
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It's so fucking stupid. We could take Cuba in a day. In a day with minimal to no loses. The whole thing would be over quick and with all the Cuban Americans we could return to the Island there wouldn't be any insurgency bullshit. The Cuban Communist government has no big friends like the Soviet Union anymore to worry about. Why we don't just go in and liberate that nation is beyond me. I would approve of this. But i suspect things would happen such as North Koreans refugees commiting suicide after being in south korea for a while because they couldent cope with h ow different the world is and reality outside NK. In Cuba, the history books show the U.S. as the agressor and starter of WW2, and indiscriminately Buked japan to take their Oil and impose imprealist government there. and invaded Europe to conqour under the guise of liberating them from the Nazi's, Whome the US Armed. It wasn't until the Soviets came and Liberated Europe from the American occupation that Europe was free. The GLORIOUS soviets. Talking with people there. i get Asked how i felt about the atrocities American had committed on Japan and Europe. I was  Until someone showed me a text book they got issued in School.
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Posted: 1/29/2015 12:10:39 AM EDT
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We have open socialist in office in our own country. Until we fight the ones here, there is little argument against dealing with others that don't effect us at all. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Their country their rules. The US doesn't need to be getting involved to telling other countries how to operate..unless they attack us or sponsor groups who attack us. No, fuck that. I don't want us lining up the wallets of a couple goddamn communist sonofabitches by the name of Raul and Fidel. We have open socialist in office in our own country. Until we fight the ones here, there is little argument against dealing with others that don't effect us at all. They don't have any impact on us because they don't have enough money and power. They're too close, keep it that way until they get their shit together. |
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Posted: 1/29/2015 12:23:54 AM EDT
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Sure let's get in bed with more commies.
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Posted: 1/29/2015 6:33:01 PM EDT
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It's so fucking stupid. We could take Cuba in a day. In a day with minimal to no loses. The whole thing would be over quick and with all the Cuban Americans we could return to the Island there wouldn't be any insurgency bullshit. The Cuban Communist government has no big friends like the Soviet Union anymore to worry about. Why we don't just go in and liberate that nation is beyond me. There is a new generation of Cuban emigres to the US, who traveled here for economic reasons — to work and to send home money — rather than political reasons. This generation is focused less on hating Castro and more on helping their families. They would like to be able to travel back to Cuba more freely and send more money home from the US. |
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