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Posted: 1/27/2015 5:52:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is it rated to stop 338LM.?  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: First off, thanks for the videos, they are informative. I actually was sent a ceramic Level IV plate by this same company, but I just haven't figured out what to do with it yet. I don't want to waste it by hitting it with something everyone knows it would stop anyway. Since they were nice enough to send it I want to use it for something awesome, I'm being patient for once lol. Is it rated to stop 338LM.?  |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 6:04:27 PM EDT
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listen, or dont. frankly, I dont care what you do. keep debating this bullshit because you think you can save a buck on armor. you are only fooling yourselves (well, and some newbies who might listen to you) your life is in you own hands. I use AR500 and am confident that it is a hell of alot better than nothing, or the soft armor worn by my colleagues. |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 6:11:37 PM EDT
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Whatever newb.... lol Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's "The Wound Channel" Seems like he's trying to sell us something. I'm sure he is making a fortune off of shooting ammo through body armor. Go be the 99% somewhere else. It's getting worse and worse. I joined long ago when people used to appreciate posting of info for the benefit of the community  Whatever newb.... lol did you forget to take your meds today? what is your purpose on coming into this thread and shitting on it. |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 6:13:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I use AR500 and am confident that it is a hell of alot better than nothing, or the soft armor worn by my colleagues. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: listen, or dont. frankly, I dont care what you do. keep debating this bullshit because you think you can save a buck on armor. you are only fooling yourselves (well, and some newbies who might listen to you) your life is in you own hands. I use AR500 and am confident that it is a hell of alot better than nothing, or the soft armor worn by my colleagues. |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 6:34:23 PM EDT
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First off, thanks for the videos, they are informative. I actually was sent a ceramic Level IV plate by this same company, but I just haven't figured out what to do with it yet. I don't want to waste it by hitting it with something everyone knows it would stop anyway. Since they were nice enough to send it I want to use it for something awesome, I'm being patient for once lol. Is it rated to stop 338LM.? I need an excuse to get out to NC this summer. My son's at Lejeune. I'm always looking for an excuse to roll this thing out too. 
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Posted: 1/27/2015 7:05:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I need an excuse to get out to NC this summer. My son's at Lejeune. I'm always looking for an excuse to roll this thing out too. http://dillehay.org/images/mrad_supp.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: First off, thanks for the videos, they are informative. I actually was sent a ceramic Level IV plate by this same company, but I just haven't figured out what to do with it yet. I don't want to waste it by hitting it with something everyone knows it would stop anyway. Since they were nice enough to send it I want to use it for something awesome, I'm being patient for once lol. Is it rated to stop 338LM.? I need an excuse to get out to NC this summer. My son's at Lejeune. I'm always looking for an excuse to roll this thing out too. http://dillehay.org/images/mrad_supp.jpg  |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 7:06:07 PM EDT
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cool, thanks!
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Posted: 1/27/2015 7:06:58 PM EDT
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will watch after telling you your sights are backwards
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Posted: 1/27/2015 7:11:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So you would not trust AR500 steel armor to save you in a gang related home invasion where threats have handguns, assuming the armor was struck by a bullet? It's all about preparing for specific threats. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: listen, or dont. frankly, I dont care what you do. keep debating this bullshit because you think you can save a buck on armor. you are only fooling yourselves (well, and some newbies who might listen to you) your life is in you own hands. So you would not trust AR500 steel armor to save you in a gang related home invasion where threats have handguns, assuming the armor was struck by a bullet? It's all about preparing for specific threats. Rifle plates are for threats with rifles.
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Posted: 1/27/2015 7:13:20 PM EDT
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Level IV if you want to live.
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Posted: 1/27/2015 7:19:46 PM EDT
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So would soft armor catch what comes through the plate?
<---uses ceramic plates |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 7:23:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: will watch after telling you your sights are backwards  |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 7:24:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So would soft armor catch what comes through the plate? <---uses ceramic plates |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 7:59:15 PM EDT
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Very interesting that the velocity of M193 trumps the 855 with the steel penetrator. I'd buy you a beer if you were ever in my neck of the woods.
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Posted: 1/27/2015 9:45:10 PM EDT
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Level IV Stay in moms basement if you want to live. Fixed. |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 11:29:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Very interesting that the velocity of M193 trumps the 855 with the steel penetrator. I'd buy you a beer if you were ever in my neck of the woods.  |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 11:29:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fixed. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Level IV Stay in moms basement if you want to live. Fixed. |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 11:47:52 PM EDT
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If your location is correct shipping might be costly. I would be glad to use it though, shoot me a PM if you have something specific in mind. I have already filmed two more videos with this plate, it's about toast. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Any chance of the same 2 tests with a 20" AR? I would loan you a 20" upper for testing. Isn't the integrity of the plate compromised once it's shot, especially after it has a hole through it? If so, doesn't that mean it would be easier to shoot through the plate after it has already been shot through, which is not a very accurate result? |
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Posted: 1/28/2015 12:04:36 AM EDT
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Are you going to try shooting it with the plate angled?
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Posted: 1/28/2015 12:12:36 AM EDT
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10mm, you want to borrow a 20" upper for testing?
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Posted: 1/28/2015 12:50:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Isn't the integrity of the plate compromised once it's shot, especially after it has a hole through it? If so, doesn't that mean it would be easier to shoot through the plate after it has already been shot through, which is not a very accurate result? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Any chance of the same 2 tests with a 20" AR? I would loan you a 20" upper for testing. Isn't the integrity of the plate compromised once it's shot, especially after it has a hole through it? If so, doesn't that mean it would be easier to shoot through the plate after it has already been shot through, which is not a very accurate result? |
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Posted: 1/28/2015 12:52:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you going to try shooting it with the plate angled? I should probably buy a new plate, I sent several .308 rounds into this one since that is what it is rated for. It's pretty used up now.
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Posted: 1/28/2015 12:53:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 10mm, you want to borrow a 20" upper for testing? I would be more eager to borrow a 20" upper if I had a test plan and test samples ready to go, at this point I do not have either of those.
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Posted: 1/28/2015 5:59:24 PM EDT
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I would like to do some 20" testing, I may just buy a 20" 5.56 barrel for my 300blk thrown together cheap gun and swap it out. I would be more eager to borrow a 20" upper if I had a test plan and test samples ready to go, at this point I do not have either of those. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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10mm, you want to borrow a 20" upper for testing? I would be more eager to borrow a 20" upper if I had a test plan and test samples ready to go, at this point I do not have either of those. if you ever need one i have a heavy barrel a2 upper that i can let go on vacation for a bit. you would have to tuck it in at night and read it bedtime stories though
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Posted: 1/28/2015 6:46:50 PM EDT
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So would soft armor catch what comes through the plate? <---uses ceramic plates Some general information about that.
http://www.theboxotruth.com/the-box-o-truth-24-sniper-against-armor/ |
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Posted: 1/28/2015 6:56:52 PM EDT
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so are you a paying industry member? Cause we keep getting directed to your channel which i assume you make money for. Seriously dude...those rumors about you sucking the "double donger" might just be true
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Posted: 1/28/2015 7:27:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: if you ever need one i have a heavy barrel a2 upper that i can let go on vacation for a bit. you would have to tuck it in at night and read it bedtime stories though Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: 10mm, you want to borrow a 20" upper for testing? I would be more eager to borrow a 20" upper if I had a test plan and test samples ready to go, at this point I do not have either of those. if you ever need one i have a heavy barrel a2 upper that i can let go on vacation for a bit. you would have to tuck it in at night and read it bedtime stories though |
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Posted: 1/28/2015 7:36:20 PM EDT
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That's why Level III is bullshit.
XM193 is so common that to me a Level III plate is worthless weight to carry around. Have to go with a Level IV or a Level III that the manufacturers specifically states will defeat XM193. |
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Posted: 1/28/2015 7:41:47 PM EDT
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This is why I use 20" barrels on my AR 
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Posted: 1/28/2015 7:47:43 PM EDT
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That's why Level III is bullshit. XM193 is so common that to me a Level III plate is worthless weight to carry around. Have to go with a Level IV or a Level III that the manufacturers specifically states will defeat XM193. Moreover, if you had to select level III plates that are vulnerable to a common round (like M855), why not go with UHMWPE plates that weigh 3lb each, have the same multihit ability, and don't spall? Steel is the answer to a question noone asked, unless that question is about the ideal basement armor. |
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Posted: 1/28/2015 7:49:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Moreover, if you had to select level III plates that are vulnerable to a common round (like M855), why not go with UHMWPE plates that weigh 3lb each, have the same multihit ability, and don't spall? Steel is the answer to a question noone asked, unless that question is about the ideal basement armor. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That's why Level III is bullshit. XM193 is so common that to me a Level III plate is worthless weight to carry around. Have to go with a Level IV or a Level III that the manufacturers specifically states will defeat XM193. Moreover, if you had to select level III plates that are vulnerable to a common round (like M855), why not go with UHMWPE plates that weigh 3lb each, have the same multihit ability, and don't spall? Steel is the answer to a question noone asked, unless that question is about the ideal basement armor. |
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Posted: 1/28/2015 7:51:38 PM EDT
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That's why Level III is bullshit. XM193 is so common that to me a Level III plate is worthless weight to carry around. Have to go with a Level IV or a Level III that the manufacturers specifically states will defeat XM193. Level III is not bullshit or worthless. (Well, steel might be.  ) But what the industry generally terms a "III+" (ceramic/PE hybrid) is probably the best of all worlds when it comes to weight and threat protection.
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Posted: 1/28/2015 7:52:16 PM EDT
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Polethylene is not dirt cheap. No one is interested. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's why Level III is bullshit. XM193 is so common that to me a Level III plate is worthless weight to carry around. Have to go with a Level IV or a Level III that the manufacturers specifically states will defeat XM193. Moreover, if you had to select level III plates that are vulnerable to a common round (like M855), why not go with UHMWPE plates that weigh 3lb each, have the same multihit ability, and don't spall? Steel is the answer to a question noone asked, unless that question is about the ideal basement armor. Really? No one? Nobody on ARFCom has enough money to afford real plates? Dang. 
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Posted: 1/28/2015 7:56:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Really? No one? Nobody on ARFCom has enough money to afford real plates? Dang. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: That's why Level III is bullshit. XM193 is so common that to me a Level III plate is worthless weight to carry around. Have to go with a Level IV or a Level III that the manufacturers specifically states will defeat XM193. Moreover, if you had to select level III plates that are vulnerable to a common round (like M855), why not go with UHMWPE plates that weigh 3lb each, have the same multihit ability, and don't spall? Steel is the answer to a question noone asked, unless that question is about the ideal basement armor. Really? No one? Nobody on ARFCom has enough money to afford real plates? Dang. |
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Posted: 1/28/2015 8:01:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think the people who want to spend the money do their research and conclude that hybrid III or some flavor of IV are the way to go, precisely because of the stated deficiencies of the other plates being discussed. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: That's why Level III is bullshit. XM193 is so common that to me a Level III plate is worthless weight to carry around. Have to go with a Level IV or a Level III that the manufacturers specifically states will defeat XM193. Moreover, if you had to select level III plates that are vulnerable to a common round (like M855), why not go with UHMWPE plates that weigh 3lb each, have the same multihit ability, and don't spall? Steel is the answer to a question noone asked, unless that question is about the ideal basement armor. Really? No one? Nobody on ARFCom has enough money to afford real plates? Dang. |
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Posted: 1/28/2015 8:02:09 PM EDT
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Really? No one? Nobody on ARFCom has enough money to afford real plates? Dang. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Polyethylene is not dirt cheap. No one is interested. Really? No one? Nobody on ARFCom has enough money to afford real plates? Dang. A PE plate can go as high as 600. That's two months worth of hot pockets and doritos, so if your plates are a novelty buy destined for a closet, the price differential is significant. |
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Posted: 1/28/2015 8:04:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A PE plate can go as high as 600. That's two months worth of hot pockets and doritos, so if your plates are a novelty buy destined for a closet, the price differential is significant. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Polyethylene is not dirt cheap. No one is interested. Really? No one? Nobody on ARFCom has enough money to afford real plates? Dang. A PE plate can go as high as 600. That's two months worth of hot pockets and doritos, so if your plates are a novelty buy destined for a closet, the price differential is significant. |
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Posted: 1/28/2015 8:34:51 PM EDT
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lol thanks, that's very generous of you. I will keep it in mind for future tests. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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10mm, you want to borrow a 20" upper for testing? I would be more eager to borrow a 20" upper if I had a test plan and test samples ready to go, at this point I do not have either of those. if you ever need one i have a heavy barrel a2 upper that i can let go on vacation for a bit. you would have to tuck it in at night and read it bedtime stories though
i enjoy your videos and think it would be neat to point out to buddies "hey thats my upper!" |
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Posted: 1/28/2015 8:54:44 PM EDT
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So you would not trust AR500 steel armor to save you in a gang related home invasion where threats have handguns, assuming the armor was struck by a bullet? It's all about preparing for specific threats. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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listen, or dont. frankly, I dont care what you do. keep debating this bullshit because you think you can save a buck on armor. you are only fooling yourselves (well, and some newbies who might listen to you) your life is in you own hands. So you would not trust AR500 steel armor to save you in a gang related home invasion where threats have handguns, assuming the armor was struck by a bullet? It's all about preparing for specific threats. Gangs don't have Ar15s or XM193 ? 
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Posted: 1/28/2015 9:12:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Gangs don't have Ar15s or XM193 ? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: listen, or dont. frankly, I dont care what you do. keep debating this bullshit because you think you can save a buck on armor. you are only fooling yourselves (well, and some newbies who might listen to you) your life is in you own hands. So you would not trust AR500 steel armor to save you in a gang related home invasion where threats have handguns, assuming the armor was struck by a bullet? It's all about preparing for specific threats. Gangs don't have Ar15s or XM193 ? |
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Posted: 1/29/2015 6:47:17 PM EDT
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m855 vs m855A1 penetration and accuracy test. Cut all the Army BS and get down to the truth of things.
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Posted: 1/29/2015 9:50:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: m855 vs m855A1 penetration and accuracy test. Cut all the Army BS and get down to the truth of things. |
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Posted: 1/29/2015 11:36:30 PM EDT
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m855 vs m855A1 penetration and accuracy test. Cut all the Army BS and get down to the truth of things. Really!? Whats your personal favorite after all your testing? Also, does it help you any if we click on advertisers or watch the preview commercial? I always do for fellow ARFcommers just in case it helps you any. |
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Posted: 1/29/2015 11:41:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Really!? Whats your personal favorite after all your testing? Also, does it help you any if we click on advertisers or watch the preview commercial? I always do for fellow ARFcommers just in case it helps you any. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: m855 vs m855A1 penetration and accuracy test. Cut all the Army BS and get down to the truth of things. Really!? Whats your personal favorite after all your testing? Also, does it help you any if we click on advertisers or watch the preview commercial? I always do for fellow ARFcommers just in case it helps you any. I am pretty sure it does help so thank you, I'll thank my lucky stars if I ever get to the point where I can break even on these videos and only have to spend my time.
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Posted: 2/1/2015 5:04:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: After my personal testing I have no use for either of those rounds Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: m855 vs m855A1 penetration and accuracy test. Cut all the Army BS and get down to the truth of things. It's more about knowledge and curiosity. Report in the past stated the M855A1 is very hard on the bolt. Cracks can been seen around the 3k mark. It has been said the M855A1 have better accuracy but not with a standard M4 with 1:7 twist. There is a lot of questions surround the M855A1 performance. |
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Posted: 2/1/2015 5:16:59 PM EDT
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This is why I use 20" barrels on my AR lol
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Posted: 2/1/2015 5:23:26 PM EDT
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This is why I use 20" barrels on my AR http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/31600000/herp-derp-XD-random-31654875-222-227.jpg You really showed him. I'm very impressed. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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