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Posted: 1/26/2015 8:49:28 PM EDT
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Some day. I just dont own one and its not in my budget right now. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Any chance of the same 2 tests with a 20" AR? I would loan you a 20" upper for testing. |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 8:49:29 PM EDT
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Why didn't you back the plate up with clay as is required for such testing?
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Posted: 1/26/2015 8:49:58 PM EDT
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Okay maybe my sensors are miscalibrated. wouldn't be the first time.
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Posted: 1/26/2015 8:50:25 PM EDT
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dont use AR500 as body armor if you give a shit about living through being shot with a varmint rifle and one specific ammo type. that is all. anybody that tells you different is trying to sell you something. FTFY |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 8:52:17 PM EDT
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so are you a paying industry member? Cause we keep getting directed to your channel which i assume you make money for. Wow the Grunge has finally leached into your brain. Interesting. |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 8:52:39 PM EDT
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Nice video OP. Even with chatter it was shorter than the Nutnfancy theme song. Have you done this with the jelly behind it? Interested to see what the penetration looks like after clearing that, plus spall effects. Good heavens, when did your legion of sycophants get you reinstated? |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 8:53:21 PM EDT
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Thanks for the video OP.
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Posted: 1/26/2015 8:54:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So you would not trust AR500 steel armor to save you in a gang related home invasion where threats have handguns, assuming the armor was struck by a bullet? It's all about preparing for specific threats. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: listen, or dont. frankly, I dont care what you do. keep debating this bullshit because you think you can save a buck on armor. you are only fooling yourselves (well, and some newbies who might listen to you) your life is in you own hands. So you would not trust AR500 steel armor to save you in a gang related home invasion where threats have handguns, assuming the armor was struck by a bullet? It's all about preparing for specific threats. |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 8:58:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's "The Wound Channel" Seems like he's trying to sell us something. Is he trying to sell us gummy bears?
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Posted: 1/26/2015 8:59:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting. You talk less than other gun video commentators. I like that. Less talky, more shooty. Ditto. I watch a lot of gun related videos on youtube and one of my biggest complaints about many of them is that the people running them have a tendency of being a bit to chatty, in my opinion. Nut n' fancy is (probably) the most well known poster boy for this pet peeve but he's certainly not the only one who's guilty of this, though. |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 9:05:44 PM EDT
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Good heavens, when did your legion of sycophants get you reinstated? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nice video OP. Even with chatter it was shorter than the Nutnfancy theme song. Have you done this with the jelly behind it? Interested to see what the penetration looks like after clearing that, plus spall effects. Good heavens, when did your legion of sycophants get you reinstated? 
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Posted: 1/26/2015 9:30:02 PM EDT
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Under current rules, we allow people to pimp their YouTube channels. This exception doesn't apply to videos that are advertising products.
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Posted: 1/26/2015 9:34:08 PM EDT
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With 300 views, I think op is safe from becoming a youtube millionaire.
I do appreciate the very informative post, though. |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 9:53:08 PM EDT
[#14]
I believe you get paid about $1.00 per 4,000 views.
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Posted: 1/26/2015 10:03:50 PM EDT
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Do you have a 5.45x39 rifle you could shoot at it? Based on the AR I'm pretty sure it couldn't penetrate at 25 yards but wonder about 7? Cool video again imo.
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Posted: 1/26/2015 10:13:51 PM EDT
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Ok, good to have a mix of barrel lengths. A few 16", a few 20"... works for me.
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Posted: 1/26/2015 10:32:30 PM EDT
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Okay maybe my sensors are miscalibrated. wouldn't be the first time. Too bad this post didn't double tap, 'cuz you can say that again. |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 10:34:29 PM EDT
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Good heavens, when did your legion of sycophants get you reinstated? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nice video OP. Even with chatter it was shorter than the Nutnfancy theme song. Have you done this with the jelly behind it? Interested to see what the penetration looks like after clearing that, plus spall effects. Good heavens, when did your legion of sycophants get you reinstated? 
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Posted: 1/26/2015 10:36:09 PM EDT
[#19]
Ceramics fellas. Use ceramic.
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Posted: 1/26/2015 10:40:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: listen, or dont. frankly, I dont care what you do. keep debating this bullshit because you think you can save a buck on armor. you are only fooling yourselves (well, and some newbies who might listen to you) your life is in you own hands. Level 3 plates offer enhanced protective ability over lll-A, stopping everything lll-A can plus more. Over 750K LEO's hit the streets every day with lll-A. Think about that. |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 10:51:55 PM EDT
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Level 3 plates offer enhanced protective ability over lll-A, stopping everything lll-A can plus more. Over 750K LEO's hit the streets every day with lll-A. Think about that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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listen, or dont. frankly, I dont care what you do. keep debating this bullshit because you think you can save a buck on armor. you are only fooling yourselves (well, and some newbies who might listen to you) your life is in you own hands. Level 3 plates offer enhanced protective ability over lll-A, stopping everything lll-A can plus more. Over 750K LEO's hit the streets every day with lll-A. Think about that. This is how I look at it. Get decent plates with some spall protection and you're better protected than almost all police officers. |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 10:52:03 PM EDT
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I'd like to see a wet phone book placed in back of the plate or at least a clean card board placed about 6" back to catch what comes out the back. Is it a bunch of fragments and bits?
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Posted: 1/27/2015 12:28:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He's just reviewing and testing plates against different common ammo selections. I've watched plenty of his videos and never seen a sales pitch. He probably does get paid for views, but I doubt he's making a living off it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's "The Wound Channel" Seems like he's trying to sell us something. He's just reviewing and testing plates against different common ammo selections. I've watched plenty of his videos and never seen a sales pitch. He probably does get paid for views, but I doubt he's making a living off it. I have purposely not posted links to the videos which are more like a merchandise showcase, because I didn't want to post shit on here that is like a commercial. Even though some free targets doesn't even touch what it costs me to stand on that range let alone cameras, guns, ammo, etc. How does my channel name indicate I'm trying to sell you something? The wound channel is the name for the path a bullet cuts through flesh, I thought it was a clever youtube channel name. I didn't even come up with it a member of this forum did. If I am trying to sell you something by shooting holes in body armor I've got to be the worst salesman ever lol. Unless you think I'm trying to sell you m193 ammo and long barrels. ETA: I clarified my first statement because I thought the quote said "paid for reviews" not paid for views. My videos are monetized by youtube. |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 12:29:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would loan you a 20" upper for testing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Any chance of the same 2 tests with a 20" AR? I would loan you a 20" upper for testing. |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 12:38:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why didn't you back the plate up with clay as is required for such testing? With all the variables of ballistic testing I don't try to chase (sometimes arbitrary) test standards, they're costly and difficult/impossible to recreate anyway. A good example is that "official" ballistic testing like this specifically says you cannot use a firearm, and the temperature has to be 70F +- 5F. I also don't see the point in recreating the testing that the label of this plate specifically says it already passed, I'm not untrusting of the company I'm just exploring other scenarios.
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Posted: 1/27/2015 12:45:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: With 300 views, I think op is safe from becoming a youtube millionaire. I do appreciate the very informative post, though. Sure thing!
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Posted: 1/27/2015 12:45:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you have a 5.45x39 rifle you could shoot at it? Based on the AR I'm pretty sure it couldn't penetrate at 25 yards but wonder about 7? Cool video again imo. |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 12:48:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd like to see a wet phone book placed in back of the plate or at least a clean card board placed about 6" back to catch what comes out the back. Is it a bunch of fragments and bits? |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 12:54:06 AM EDT
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I've never been paid anything for any video. Ever. These videos cost me a decent amount of money, not even considering my time. I have gotten free shit to test before, and members of this forum have sent me ammo to try out. I paid for this plate knowing I would shoot holes in it to educate myself and others. I have purposely not posted links to the videos which are more like a merchandise showcase, because I didn't want to post shit on here that is like a commercial. Even though some free targets doesn't even touch what it costs me to stand on that range let alone cameras, guns, ammo, etc. How does my channel name indicate I'm trying to sell you something? The wound channel is the name for the path a bullet cuts through flesh, I thought it was a clever youtube channel name. I didn't even come up with it a member of this forum did. If I am trying to sell you something by shooting holes in body armor I've got to be the worst salesman ever lol. Unless you think I'm trying to sell you m193 ammo and long barrels. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's "The Wound Channel" Seems like he's trying to sell us something. He's just reviewing and testing plates against different common ammo selections. I've watched plenty of his videos and never seen a sales pitch. He probably does get paid for views, but I doubt he's making a living off it. I have purposely not posted links to the videos which are more like a merchandise showcase, because I didn't want to post shit on here that is like a commercial. Even though some free targets doesn't even touch what it costs me to stand on that range let alone cameras, guns, ammo, etc. How does my channel name indicate I'm trying to sell you something? The wound channel is the name for the path a bullet cuts through flesh, I thought it was a clever youtube channel name. I didn't even come up with it a member of this forum did. If I am trying to sell you something by shooting holes in body armor I've got to be the worst salesman ever lol. Unless you think I'm trying to sell you m193 ammo and long barrels. Please ignore the trolls and imbeciles. The rest of us appreciate a member contributing something other than their opinion on American Sniper and how silent the theater was. I agree that placing something (ideally ballistic gel) behind the armor would be an improvement to gauging effectiveness. Ideally, the plate would be in a carrier with and without soft armor (I believe most plates are designed to be worn in conjunction with soft armor). I understand if this is cost prohibitive. Another thing for people to keep in mind is that bullets don't necessarily impact the target at perfect 90 degree angles in gun fights. Those plates will hold up much better if the impact angle is off a bit. |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 12:59:21 AM EDT
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I've never been paid anything by any company or individual. Ever. These videos cost me a decent amount of money, not even considering my time. I have gotten free shit to test before, and members of this forum have sent me ammo to try out. I paid for this plate knowing I would shoot holes in it to educate myself and others. I have purposely not posted links to the videos which are more like a merchandise showcase, because I didn't want to post shit on here that is like a commercial. Even though some free targets doesn't even touch what it costs me to stand on that range let alone cameras, guns, ammo, etc. How does my channel name indicate I'm trying to sell you something? The wound channel is the name for the path a bullet cuts through flesh, I thought it was a clever youtube channel name. I didn't even come up with it a member of this forum did. If I am trying to sell you something by shooting holes in body armor I've got to be the worst salesman ever lol. Unless you think I'm trying to sell you m193 ammo and long barrels. ETA: I clarified my first statement because I thought the quote said "paid for reviews" not paid for views. My videos are monetized by youtube. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's "The Wound Channel" Seems like he's trying to sell us something. He's just reviewing and testing plates against different common ammo selections. I've watched plenty of his videos and never seen a sales pitch. He probably does get paid for views, but I doubt he's making a living off it. I have purposely not posted links to the videos which are more like a merchandise showcase, because I didn't want to post shit on here that is like a commercial. Even though some free targets doesn't even touch what it costs me to stand on that range let alone cameras, guns, ammo, etc. How does my channel name indicate I'm trying to sell you something? The wound channel is the name for the path a bullet cuts through flesh, I thought it was a clever youtube channel name. I didn't even come up with it a member of this forum did. If I am trying to sell you something by shooting holes in body armor I've got to be the worst salesman ever lol. Unless you think I'm trying to sell you m193 ammo and long barrels. ETA: I clarified my first statement because I thought the quote said "paid for reviews" not paid for views. My videos are monetized by youtube. Patchouli gets like this sometimes when he needs Snickers bar. (as do I sometimes) Don't let the guys here get you down and dog pile you. There isn't anything wrong with your videos and I look forward to seeing more from you provided you keep it interesting and entertaining. Just don't go Nutnfancy or I will jump on the dog pile myself. 
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Posted: 1/27/2015 1:02:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Please ignore the trolls and imbeciles. The rest of us appreciate a member contributing something other than their opinion on American Sniper and how silent the theater was. I agree that placing something (ideally ballistic gel) behind the armor would be an improvement to gauging effectiveness. Ideally, the plate would be in a carrier with and without soft armor (I believe most plates are designed to be worn in conjunction with soft armor). I understand if this is cost prohibitive. Another thing for people to keep in mind is that bullets don't necessarily impact the target at perfect 90 degree angles in gun fights. Those plates will hold up much better if the impact angle is off a bit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It's "The Wound Channel" Seems like he's trying to sell us something. He's just reviewing and testing plates against different common ammo selections. I've watched plenty of his videos and never seen a sales pitch. He probably does get paid for views, but I doubt he's making a living off it. I have purposely not posted links to the videos which are more like a merchandise showcase, because I didn't want to post shit on here that is like a commercial. Even though some free targets doesn't even touch what it costs me to stand on that range let alone cameras, guns, ammo, etc. How does my channel name indicate I'm trying to sell you something? The wound channel is the name for the path a bullet cuts through flesh, I thought it was a clever youtube channel name. I didn't even come up with it a member of this forum did. If I am trying to sell you something by shooting holes in body armor I've got to be the worst salesman ever lol. Unless you think I'm trying to sell you m193 ammo and long barrels. Please ignore the trolls and imbeciles. The rest of us appreciate a member contributing something other than their opinion on American Sniper and how silent the theater was. I agree that placing something (ideally ballistic gel) behind the armor would be an improvement to gauging effectiveness. Ideally, the plate would be in a carrier with and without soft armor (I believe most plates are designed to be worn in conjunction with soft armor). I understand if this is cost prohibitive. Another thing for people to keep in mind is that bullets don't necessarily impact the target at perfect 90 degree angles in gun fights. Those plates will hold up much better if the impact angle is off a bit. If you watch the videos @ 7 yards it actually has everything you mentioned. Ballistic gel, soft armor backer, chronograph. The idea of keeping the videos as short as possible leads me to not repeat stuff from previous videos in follow-up ones, although it makes the later ones seem incomplete. This video was really just to see if either had a chance @ 25 yards. You are correct repeating the gel and soft armor and everything for every scenario is cost prohibitive.
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Posted: 1/27/2015 1:06:08 AM EDT
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Lol omg it was sooooooooo silent. I wonder if it occurred to anyone that it was probably the only movie without music during the credits. If you watch the videos @ 7 yards it actually has everything you mentioned. Ballistic gel, soft armor backer, chronograph. The idea of keeping the videos as short as possible leads me to not repeat stuff from previous videos in follow-up ones, although it makes the later ones seem incomplete. This video was really just to see if either had a chance @ 25 yards. You are correct repeating the gel and soft armor and everything for every scenario is cost prohibitive. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's "The Wound Channel" Seems like he's trying to sell us something. He's just reviewing and testing plates against different common ammo selections. I've watched plenty of his videos and never seen a sales pitch. He probably does get paid for views, but I doubt he's making a living off it. I have purposely not posted links to the videos which are more like a merchandise showcase, because I didn't want to post shit on here that is like a commercial. Even though some free targets doesn't even touch what it costs me to stand on that range let alone cameras, guns, ammo, etc. How does my channel name indicate I'm trying to sell you something? The wound channel is the name for the path a bullet cuts through flesh, I thought it was a clever youtube channel name. I didn't even come up with it a member of this forum did. If I am trying to sell you something by shooting holes in body armor I've got to be the worst salesman ever lol. Unless you think I'm trying to sell you m193 ammo and long barrels. Please ignore the trolls and imbeciles. The rest of us appreciate a member contributing something other than their opinion on American Sniper and how silent the theater was. I agree that placing something (ideally ballistic gel) behind the armor would be an improvement to gauging effectiveness. Ideally, the plate would be in a carrier with and without soft armor (I believe most plates are designed to be worn in conjunction with soft armor). I understand if this is cost prohibitive. Another thing for people to keep in mind is that bullets don't necessarily impact the target at perfect 90 degree angles in gun fights. Those plates will hold up much better if the impact angle is off a bit. If you watch the videos @ 7 yards it actually has everything you mentioned. Ballistic gel, soft armor backer, chronograph. The idea of keeping the videos as short as possible leads me to not repeat stuff from previous videos in follow-up ones, although it makes the later ones seem incomplete. This video was really just to see if either had a chance @ 25 yards. You are correct repeating the gel and soft armor and everything for every scenario is cost prohibitive. 
Now I feel like the guy that posts without reading. I'd seen your earlier videos, but forgot. Well done. |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 1:07:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Patchouli gets like this sometimes when he needs Snickers bar. (as do I sometimes) Don't let the guys here get you down and dog pile you. There isn't anything wrong with your videos and I look forward to seeing more from you provided you keep it interesting and entertaining. Just don't go Nutnfancy or I will jump on the dog pile myself. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It's "The Wound Channel" Seems like he's trying to sell us something. He's just reviewing and testing plates against different common ammo selections. I've watched plenty of his videos and never seen a sales pitch. He probably does get paid for views, but I doubt he's making a living off it. I have purposely not posted links to the videos which are more like a merchandise showcase, because I didn't want to post shit on here that is like a commercial. Even though some free targets doesn't even touch what it costs me to stand on that range let alone cameras, guns, ammo, etc. How does my channel name indicate I'm trying to sell you something? The wound channel is the name for the path a bullet cuts through flesh, I thought it was a clever youtube channel name. I didn't even come up with it a member of this forum did. If I am trying to sell you something by shooting holes in body armor I've got to be the worst salesman ever lol. Unless you think I'm trying to sell you m193 ammo and long barrels. ETA: I clarified my first statement because I thought the quote said "paid for reviews" not paid for views. My videos are monetized by youtube. Patchouli gets like this sometimes when he needs Snickers bar. (as do I sometimes) Don't let the guys here get you down and dog pile you. There isn't anything wrong with your videos and I look forward to seeing more from you provided you keep it interesting and entertaining. Just don't go Nutnfancy or I will jump on the dog pile myself. |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 1:08:35 AM EDT
[#34]
First off, thanks for the videos, they are informative.
Second... Well, hell, I have nothing useful to add. I'd love to see how ceramic and those plastic plates hold up, but I understand if that's out of your budget.
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Posted: 1/27/2015 1:13:17 AM EDT
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It's "The Wound Channel" Seems like he's trying to sell us something. I'm sure he is making a fortune off of shooting ammo through body armor. Go be the 99% somewhere else. |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 1:20:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: First off, thanks for the videos, they are informative. Second... Well, hell, I have nothing useful to add. I'd love to see how ceramic and those plastic plates hold up, but I understand if that's out of your budget. Since they were nice enough to send it I want to use it for something awesome, I'm being patient for once lol.
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Posted: 1/27/2015 1:21:45 AM EDT
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I'm sure he is making a fortune off of shooting ammo through body armor. Go be the 99% somewhere else. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's "The Wound Channel" Seems like he's trying to sell us something. I'm sure he is making a fortune off of shooting ammo through body armor. Go be the 99% somewhere else. It's getting worse and worse. I joined long ago when people used to appreciate posting of info for the benefit of the community 
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Posted: 1/27/2015 1:23:59 AM EDT
[#38]
Where in NC are you? I've got an AK74 we could test some 5.45 7n6 ammo out of.
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Posted: 1/27/2015 1:27:45 AM EDT
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45-70 that should be fun on a lvl 3!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVnYNlEN_z0 |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 1:28:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Where in NC are you? I've got an AK74 we could test some 5.45 7n6 ammo out of. |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 1:33:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 45-70 that should be fun on a lvl 3! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVnYNlEN_z0 |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 1:35:57 AM EDT
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Some day. I just dont own one and its not in my budget right now. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Any chance of the same 2 tests with a 20" AR? I'd like to see an 18" as well. |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 1:44:11 AM EDT
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Maybe I need another axis and a hacksaw lol
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Posted: 1/27/2015 1:46:11 AM EDT
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Nice video OP. Even with chatter it was shorter than the Nutnfancy theme song. Have you done this with the jelly behind it? Interested to see what the penetration looks like after clearing that, plus spall effects. Good heavens, when did your legion of sycophants get you reinstated? http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-qw_8iWP2wio/UpeVTI8l5iI/AAAAAAAAEKI/dmTxEgArbJk/s1600/ed7.gif Welcome back, dude! |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 1:47:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why didn't you back the plate up with clay as is required for such testing? hard plates do not require a backing material with 'give' in order to be effective/most effective. that only applies to soft armor. of course the other reason that a clay backing material is used in testing is to be able to measure back-face deformation but thats also not applicable here |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 1:48:29 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/27/2015 10:36:37 AM EDT
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Second... Well, hell, I have nothing useful to add. I'd love to see how ceramic and those plastic plates hold up, but I understand if that's out of your budget. I actually was sent a ceramic Level IV plate by this same company, but I just haven't figured out what to do with it yet. I don't want to waste it by hitting it with something everyone knows it would stop anyway. Since they were nice enough to send it I want to use it for something awesome, I'm being patient for once lol. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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First off, thanks for the videos, they are informative. I actually was sent a ceramic Level IV plate by this same company, but I just haven't figured out what to do with it yet. I don't want to waste it by hitting it with something everyone knows it would stop anyway. Since they were nice enough to send it I want to use it for something awesome, I'm being patient for once lol. Is it rated to stop 338LM.?
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Posted: 1/27/2015 11:26:44 AM EDT
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great video.
i'd like to see just how much of the rounds are splattering out to the sides. i can't help but think of arteries in arms and legs. |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 11:34:49 AM EDT
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How much different might a 22in barreled AR be vs a bolt gun? 6 inches |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 12:24:12 PM EDT
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It's getting worse and worse. I joined long ago when people used to appreciate posting of info for the benefit of the community Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's "The Wound Channel" Seems like he's trying to sell us something. I'm sure he is making a fortune off of shooting ammo through body armor. Go be the 99% somewhere else. It's getting worse and worse. I joined long ago when people used to appreciate posting of info for the benefit of the community Whatever newb.... lol |
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