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Posted: 1/26/2015 7:22:42 PM EDT
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Does it come with a set of Sordins?
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Posted: 1/26/2015 7:30:46 PM EDT
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I don't suppose this is the pornstar, Jesse James?
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Posted: 1/26/2015 7:32:15 PM EDT
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This was pointed out in the other thread. This video shows gasses escaping from the top of the device back by the threading. LINK What exactly does that mean? |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 7:41:24 PM EDT
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What exactly does that mean? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This was pointed out in the other thread. This video shows gasses escaping from the top of the device back by the threading. LINK What exactly does that mean? It means it's a shitty suppressor. |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 7:41:25 PM EDT
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I don't suppose this is the pornstar, Jesse James? She's retired.....lives down the road from me........ 
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Posted: 1/26/2015 7:43:45 PM EDT
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Imagine if somebody allows the screws to back out until the last few threads. Kapoweee!!
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Posted: 1/26/2015 8:08:21 PM EDT
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What if he is using Colibris or Aguila SSS to get his numbers? Would he actually be lying?
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Posted: 1/26/2015 8:12:23 PM EDT
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I heard it really is just 78 dB, but your bullet will only travel 7 feet...and to the left.
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Posted: 1/26/2015 8:18:11 PM EDT
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I heard it really is just 78 dB, but your bullet will only travel 7 feet...and to the left. My GF says little me has the same problem 
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Posted: 1/26/2015 8:22:51 PM EDT
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That diesel trike with the big-rig engine he built was pretty cool.
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Posted: 1/26/2015 8:28:10 PM EDT
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What if he is using Colibris or Aguila SSS to get his numbers? Would he actually be lying? According to his website, "Test fired with 5.56 ammo, sound was 78 decibels at the muzzle" |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 8:30:17 PM EDT
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Just curious....were you getting decibel levels anywhere close to what he's claiming? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Looking at the x-Ray view from the link it is very intesting... Similar in idea to something I was working on. No one Will probably believe my but I have been dabbling in suppressor concepts & an expansion cavity like this makes a lot of sense... Good thing I have moved on to something I feel is a bit better. Cheaper & easier to maintain, as well. A Lot cheaper than $4500. That is all.  Just curious....were you getting decibel levels anywhere close to what he's claiming? Concepts at this point. Nothing tangible as of yet. What his design does is manage the sound contraction wave in a manner so it doesn't distort. The gasses want to expand. Allowing them to in a contractional ratio is the key to managing the distortion. Add: divergence/convergence ratios to be more precise. The mass velocity is the determining factor here. The energy of a sound wave is dependent on the energy of the gasses it is held within, as does its relative velocity. |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 8:31:33 PM EDT
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Y'all are just mad that an inkie grease monkey has found a way to suspend the laws of physics.
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Posted: 1/26/2015 8:32:45 PM EDT
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Y'all are just mad that an inkie grease monkey has found a way to suspend the laws of physics. I'll admit it. That would make me very mad. |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 8:34:34 PM EDT
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This interview with Jesse James is classic. Here's some quotes from that article:
On the rifle: G&T: What kind of accuracy are you getting out of this gun? JJFU: I haven’t tested it with the suppressor, but the AR is super, super nice. From 100 yards it is dead on. G&T: So, 1 MOA? Sub MOA? JJFU: You know what, I really haven’t sighted them in, or done really a test, I have just shot them against a bunch of other ones [ARs]. On the suppressor: G&T: Tell me a little bit about your sound suppressor, cause […] it does look strange. JJFU: It’s pure function. It is designed to follow the sound wave. So if you look at an oscilloscope or a MacPro sound tool display where it shows a bullet shot sound wave it has that bulging ellipse type shape, where it tapers in then BOOM and it tapers back out. So I am trying to let the gas move in a more natural type fashion instead of forcing it with wedges or stacking baffles up in it. The first prototype we tested, and it was leaking, knocked 10 db off the quietest one on the market. G&T: Really? What’s the db drop that you are getting right now? What’s the average db when you are shooting 5.56? JJFU: It was at [measured] from the shooter’s distance at three feet or less, it’s 88 db. G&T: It knocked off 88 db? JJFU: No, it’s 88 db total at the loudest point. (NOTE: when I talked to Jesse again at SHOT SHOW 2014 he told me he was able to get the levels down to 82 db) G&T: Even still… That’s with subsonic ammunition? JJFU: No, that’s just regular. I didn’t want to do any subsonic stuff. I just use regular, cheapo Cabela’s .223. |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 8:38:22 PM EDT
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I'll admit it. That would make me very mad. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Y'all are just mad that an inkie grease monkey has found a way to suspend the laws of physics. I'll admit it. That would make me very mad. We could tar and feather him for you, only using the finest down available. 
Don't ban me bro!
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Posted: 1/26/2015 8:39:02 PM EDT
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This interview with Jesse James is classic. Here's some quotes from that article: On the rifle: G&T: What kind of accuracy are you getting out of this gun? JJFU: I haven’t tested it with the suppressor, but the AR is super, super nice. From 100 yards it is dead on. G&T: So, 1 MOA? Sub MOA? JJFU: You know what, I really haven’t sighted them in, or done really a test, I have just shot them against a bunch of other ones [ARs]. On the suppressor: G&T: Tell me a little bit about your sound suppressor, cause […] it does look strange. JJFU: It’s pure function. It is designed to follow the sound wave. So if you look at an oscilloscope or a MacPro sound tool display where it shows a bullet shot sound wave it has that bulging ellipse type shape, where it tapers in then BOOM and it tapers back out. So I am trying to let the gas move in a more natural type fashion instead of forcing it with wedges or stacking baffles up in it. The first prototype we tested, and it was leaking, knocked 10 db off the quietest one on the market. G&T: Really? What’s the db drop that you are getting right now? What’s the average db when you are shooting 5.56? JJFU: It was at [measured] from the shooter’s distance at three feet or less, it’s 88 db. G&T: It knocked off 88 db? JJFU: No, it’s 88 db total at the loudest point. (NOTE: when I talked to Jesse again at SHOT SHOW 2014 he told me he was able to get the levels down to 82 db) G&T: Even still… That’s with subsonic ammunition? JJFU: No, that’s just regular. I didn’t want to do any subsonic stuff. I just use regular, cheapo Cabela’s .223. I like how people are saying, "BUT WHAT IF it actually works?! Listen. He designed the can based on the same of a sound MEASUREMENT. It is screwed together, and LITTERALLY uses shittier technology than the very first AR-15 silencer ever made. I don't fault that man for making money, but I think it's funny people are bending over backwards to give this suppressor a chance. It's like people saying that a motorcycle with square wheels MIGHT be awesome. Pro-tip: It's not! |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 8:39:21 PM EDT
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This
On the end of this. 
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Posted: 1/26/2015 8:40:33 PM EDT
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This interview with Jesse James is classic. Here's some quotes from that article: On the rifle: G&T: What kind of accuracy are you getting out of this gun? JJFU: I haven’t tested it with the suppressor, but the AR is super, super nice. From 100 yards it is dead on. G&T: So, 1 MOA? Sub MOA? JJFU: You know what, I really haven’t sighted them in, or done really a test, I have just shot them against a bunch of other ones [ARs]. On the suppressor: G&T: Tell me a little bit about your sound suppressor, cause […] it does look strange. JJFU: It’s pure function. It is designed to follow the sound wave. So if you look at an oscilloscope or a MacPro sound tool display where it shows a bullet shot sound wave it has that bulging ellipse type shape, where it tapers in then BOOM and it tapers back out. So I am trying to let the gas move in a more natural type fashion instead of forcing it with wedges or stacking baffles up in it. The first prototype we tested, and it was leaking, knocked 10 db off the quietest one on the market. G&T: Really? What’s the db drop that you are getting right now? What’s the average db when you are shooting 5.56? JJFU: It was at [measured] from the shooter’s distance at three feet or less, it’s 88 db. G&T: It knocked off 88 db? JJFU: No, it’s 88 db total at the loudest point. (NOTE: when I talked to Jesse again at SHOT SHOW 2014 he told me he was able to get the levels down to 82 db) G&T: Even still… That’s with subsonic ammunition? JJFU: No, that’s just regular. I didn’t want to do any subsonic stuff. I just use regular, cheapo Cabela’s .223. Correct me if I am wrong but wouldn't a supersonic round have way more than78db from the crack alone if you zeroed-out all of the muzzle blast? |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 8:44:04 PM EDT
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I guess we will see. He seems to be confident. No amount of confidence can defy the laws of physics. |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 8:45:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Correct me if I am wrong but wouldn't a supersonic round have way more than78db from the crack alone if you zeroed-out all of the muzzle blast? Quote HistoryQuoted: Correct me if I am wrong but wouldn't a supersonic round have way more than78db from the crack alone if you zeroed-out all of the muzzle blast? No, no. Don't you see the Wizard James has found a way to suspend the laws of physics....  Yeah the sonic boom would be above 78, and as pointed out a few pages back the bolt cycling registers 120+db by itself. Either James is full of shit or he has some wicked magic CNC'ed into that can. |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 8:45:54 PM EDT
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It's like people saying that a motorcycle with square wheels MIGHT be awesome. Pro-tip: It's not!   
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Posted: 1/26/2015 8:47:23 PM EDT
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I like how people are saying, "BUT WHAT IF it actually works?! Listen. He designed the can based on the same of a sound MEASUREMENT. It is screwed together, and LITTERALLY uses shittier technology than the very first AR-15 silencer ever made. I don't fault that man for making money, but I think it's funny people are bending over backwards to give this suppressor a chance. It's like people saying that a motorcycle with square wheels MIGHT be awesome. Pro-tip: It's not! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This interview with Jesse James is classic. Here's some quotes from that article: On the rifle: G&T: What kind of accuracy are you getting out of this gun? JJFU: I haven’t tested it with the suppressor, but the AR is super, super nice. From 100 yards it is dead on. G&T: So, 1 MOA? Sub MOA? JJFU: You know what, I really haven’t sighted them in, or done really a test, I have just shot them against a bunch of other ones [ARs]. On the suppressor: G&T: Tell me a little bit about your sound suppressor, cause […] it does look strange. JJFU: It’s pure function. It is designed to follow the sound wave. So if you look at an oscilloscope or a MacPro sound tool display where it shows a bullet shot sound wave it has that bulging ellipse type shape, where it tapers in then BOOM and it tapers back out. So I am trying to let the gas move in a more natural type fashion instead of forcing it with wedges or stacking baffles up in it. The first prototype we tested, and it was leaking, knocked 10 db off the quietest one on the market. G&T: Really? What’s the db drop that you are getting right now? What’s the average db when you are shooting 5.56? JJFU: It was at [measured] from the shooter’s distance at three feet or less, it’s 88 db. G&T: It knocked off 88 db? JJFU: No, it’s 88 db total at the loudest point. (NOTE: when I talked to Jesse again at SHOT SHOW 2014 he told me he was able to get the levels down to 82 db) G&T: Even still… That’s with subsonic ammunition? JJFU: No, that’s just regular. I didn’t want to do any subsonic stuff. I just use regular, cheapo Cabela’s .223. I like how people are saying, "BUT WHAT IF it actually works?! Listen. He designed the can based on the same of a sound MEASUREMENT. It is screwed together, and LITTERALLY uses shittier technology than the very first AR-15 silencer ever made. I don't fault that man for making money, but I think it's funny people are bending over backwards to give this suppressor a chance. It's like people saying that a motorcycle with square wheels MIGHT be awesome. Pro-tip: It's not! I agree, poor execution. |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 8:52:26 PM EDT
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Some high notes from the other thread: At SHOT Show: http://scontent-b-dfw.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xaf1/t51.2885-15/s306x306/e15/10914285_848749388501431_434327128_n.jpg Good info here: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_20/439162_Jesse_James_Firearms_Suppressor.html&page=4#i4241139 jesseMFjames could well be a troll, but: Quote HistoryQuoted:
Some high notes from the other thread: At SHOT Show: http://scontent-b-dfw.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xaf1/t51.2885-15/s306x306/e15/10914285_848749388501431_434327128_n.jpg Good info here: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_20/439162_Jesse_James_Firearms_Suppressor.html&page=4#i4241139 Quoted:
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Most of us are just mocking his absurd claims. Like this one: http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j88/Engineer303/arfcom/JJFU_zpscpbg06j4.jpg Followed up by this one: http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j88/Engineer303/arfcom/Way_Lower_zps5khpz6oe.jpg So "way lower" than 78 dB huh? Somewhere between a vacuum cleaner running and a garbage disposal running? Right... Many of us have made Form 1 cans that perform OK to well, so we know that a suppressor can be made with relatively simple parts/designs. But we don't run around making absurd performance claims. Doesn't an ar-15 bolt cycle make around 105? Has he found a way to attach something to then end of an AR and make the bolt cycling noise level lower ? Edit: I'm stupid here's some real world testing. This is an ar15 BCG released from locked open position. :source silencer forum. http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l69/armorgod/KACSR15E3ActionNoise.jpg 78db from muzzle of gun ? When the cycling noise is 126db? Ohh and before anyone dares to say "It was a bolt action!" Your viewing pleasure action noise of other firearms here: Action noise of a gun. Note these are from shooter right ear Ie 2" from rear stock. Not meter to the right of muzzle. Still the claim of 78 is just stupid. jesseMFjames could well be a troll, but: Quoted:
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*As soon as any one of you can half ass explain what is going on with my design? Then I will take your comments serious. Until then you sound like a bunch of fat kids commenting on a WOW forum. i certainly don't understand the science here but i am having a real hard time believing that dropping the bolt in an ar is over 100db of noise. 80-90db is considered to be unsafe for hearing damage. |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 8:55:03 PM EDT
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What is Arfcom going to do if this turns out legit? If I was to guess Jesse would be followed by the military acquisition branch. Jesse would be making a LOT of money. Even if just through licensing. I am wrong? Wouldn't this be absolute revolution item of it could do sub 80 decibels? |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 8:55:10 PM EDT
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In my opinion, Jessie James is a cunt. Carry on. You sir, win a prize.... Best comment ever... And, agree!! |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 8:56:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: High tech baffle stack. http://truthaboutguns-zippykid.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/P1150354-900x600.jpg Looks like OPS INC and Surfire's baffle design, but spaced out more I don't foresee 88db total |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 8:57:28 PM EDT
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If its so quite why is he wearing hearing protection in the video?
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Posted: 1/26/2015 8:58:02 PM EDT
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Dear Jesse James, First off, I must say, it's amazing to direct a letter at someone as badass of a tool as you are. I also want to thank the person reading this to you. I am blown away, no lie, blown away at what it must have been like to come out of that meth induced haze, and go "Ya know what I haven't fucked up yet? GUNS. Showing your true talent for drilling oddly shaped holes in things, now, some folks may question that wisdom, or the choice of taking the most buffoonish easy motorcycle types and guns to work with, but to get into Class III stuff, specifically a suppressor, that just doesn't look cool, but actually functions?? Seriously, blown away. So will the recipients of your "Can". Did you know the commies tried your idea, in the 1920's? Oh you didn't?? 
Yeah, see, godless commie heathens did the same thing, a little under a hundred years ago, aaaand know what? It didn't work. But, I won't be totally down on you! I bet you've found some suckers to buy your piece of shit can. Look, I know you spent umpteen minutes coming up with "how it should look", so I won't bash you too hard. Hopefully you've found some rubes to buy your shit. Ever thought of drilling some holes in them? You know, SPEED HOLES. Maybe you can make a quarter! Then buy a fold for that fucking hat brim. -Federov |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 8:59:19 PM EDT
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This interview with Jesse James is classic. Here's some quotes from that article: On the rifle: G&T: What kind of accuracy are you getting out of this gun? JJFU: I haven’t tested it with the suppressor, but the AR is super, super nice. From 100 yards it is dead on. G&T: So, 1 MOA? Sub MOA? JJFU: You know what, I really haven’t sighted them in, or done really a test, I have just shot them against a bunch of other ones [ARs]. On the suppressor: G&T: Tell me a little bit about your sound suppressor, cause […] it does look strange. JJFU: It’s pure function. It is designed to follow the sound wave. So if you look at an oscilloscope or a MacPro sound tool display where it shows a bullet shot sound wave it has that bulging ellipse type shape, where it tapers in then BOOM and it tapers back out. So I am trying to let the gas move in a more natural type fashion instead of forcing it with wedges or stacking baffles up in it. The first prototype we tested, and it was leaking, knocked 10 db off the quietest one on the market. G&T: Really? What’s the db drop that you are getting right now? What’s the average db when you are shooting 5.56? JJFU: It was at [measured] from the shooter’s distance at three feet or less, it’s 88 db. G&T: It knocked off 88 db? JJFU: No, it’s 88 db total at the loudest point. (NOTE: when I talked to Jesse again at SHOT SHOW 2014 he told me he was able to get the levels down to 82 db) G&T: Even still… That’s with subsonic ammunition? JJFU: No, that’s just regular. I didn’t want to do any subsonic stuff. I just use regular, cheapo Cabela’s .223. I'm actually embarrassed for him. Dear Lord, he's talking completely out of his ass, and there's really no need to. I have no idea why he's doing this. |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 9:03:13 PM EDT
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I'll say this his mechanical ability is genius, before all the fame and money he was a wrench and a damn good one. Never underestimate what mind like that can make...
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Posted: 1/26/2015 9:04:05 PM EDT
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Sure, normally its a "big freaking can" though... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hmm...without taking the sound of the bolt into account, does anyone think 78db with subsonic is possible out of any suppressor? Sure, normally its a "big freaking can" though... The trigger, bullet in flight, and the noise coming out of the action when it's fired are all at or (much) more than 78db. |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 9:07:17 PM EDT
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I'm actually embarrassed for him. Dear Lord, he's talking completely out of his ass, and there's really no need to. I have no idea why he's doing this. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This interview with Jesse James is classic. Here's some quotes from that article: On the rifle: G&T: What kind of accuracy are you getting out of this gun? JJFU: I haven’t tested it with the suppressor, but the AR is super, super nice. From 100 yards it is dead on. G&T: So, 1 MOA? Sub MOA? JJFU: You know what, I really haven’t sighted them in, or done really a test, I have just shot them against a bunch of other ones [ARs]. On the suppressor: G&T: Tell me a little bit about your sound suppressor, cause […] it does look strange. JJFU: It’s pure function. It is designed to follow the sound wave. So if you look at an oscilloscope or a MacPro sound tool display where it shows a bullet shot sound wave it has that bulging ellipse type shape, where it tapers in then BOOM and it tapers back out. So I am trying to let the gas move in a more natural type fashion instead of forcing it with wedges or stacking baffles up in it. The first prototype we tested, and it was leaking, knocked 10 db off the quietest one on the market. G&T: Really? What’s the db drop that you are getting right now? What’s the average db when you are shooting 5.56? JJFU: It was at [measured] from the shooter’s distance at three feet or less, it’s 88 db. G&T: It knocked off 88 db? JJFU: No, it’s 88 db total at the loudest point. (NOTE: when I talked to Jesse again at SHOT SHOW 2014 he told me he was able to get the levels down to 82 db) G&T: Even still… That’s with subsonic ammunition? JJFU: No, that’s just regular. I didn’t want to do any subsonic stuff. I just use regular, cheapo Cabela’s .223. I'm actually embarrassed for him. Dear Lord, he's talking completely out of his ass, and there's really no need to. I have no idea why he's doing this. Yeah. If he actually SAID that, then I don't even know what to say. 
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Posted: 1/26/2015 9:11:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll say this his mechanical ability is genius, before all the fame and money he was a wrench and a damn good one. Never underestimate what mind like that can make... He is, really, a first-rate craftsman working with metal and bikes....but I fear on this he's let his ego/mouth over-shoot his abilities.
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Posted: 1/26/2015 9:11:20 PM EDT
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i certainly don't understand the science here but i am having a real hard time believing that dropping the bolt in an ar is over 100db of noise. 80-90db is considered to be unsafe for hearing damage. I can't speak to the authoritativeness of the source, but this is where that value was quanitified. http://www.silencerforum.com/forum/showthread.php?754-SOUND-TEST-of-Action-Noise! Also, the threshold of hearing damage values that you are quoting may be for continuous noise levels. |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 9:13:45 PM EDT
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Dear Jesse James, First off, I must say, it's amazing to direct a letter at someone as badass of a tool as you are. I also want to thank the person reading this to you. I am blown away, no lie, blown away at what it must have been like to come out of that meth induced haze, and go "Ya know what I haven't fucked up yet? GUNS. Showing your true talent for drilling oddly shaped holes in things, now, some folks may question that wisdom, or the choice of taking the most buffoonish easy motorcycle types and guns to work with, but to get into Class III stuff, specifically a suppressor, that just doesn't look cool, but actually functions?? Seriously, blown away. So will the recipients of your "Can". Did you know the commies tried your idea, in the 1920's? Oh you didn't?? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/106880595/mosin-suppressor-2.jpg https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/106880595/mosin-suppressor.jpg Yeah, see, godless commie heathens did the same thing, a little under a hundred years ago, aaaand know what? It didn't work. But, I won't be totally down on you! I bet you've found some suckers to buy your piece of shit can. Look, I know you spent umpteen minutes coming up with "how it should look", so I won't bash you too hard. Hopefully you've found some rubes to buy your shit. Ever thought of drilling some holes in them? You know, SPEED HOLES. Maybe you can make a quarter! Then buy a fold for that fucking hat brim. -Federov
One of the funniest fucking posts I've read here. " I also want to thank the person reading this to you."
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Posted: 1/26/2015 9:14:12 PM EDT
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Yeah. If he actually SAID that, then I don't even know what to say. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This interview with Jesse James is classic. Here's some quotes from that article: On the rifle: G&T: What kind of accuracy are you getting out of this gun? JJFU: I haven’t tested it with the suppressor, but the AR is super, super nice. From 100 yards it is dead on. G&T: So, 1 MOA? Sub MOA? JJFU: You know what, I really haven’t sighted them in, or done really a test, I have just shot them against a bunch of other ones [ARs]. On the suppressor: G&T: Tell me a little bit about your sound suppressor, cause […] it does look strange. JJFU: It’s pure function. It is designed to follow the sound wave. So if you look at an oscilloscope or a MacPro sound tool display where it shows a bullet shot sound wave it has that bulging ellipse type shape, where it tapers in then BOOM and it tapers back out. So I am trying to let the gas move in a more natural type fashion instead of forcing it with wedges or stacking baffles up in it. The first prototype we tested, and it was leaking, knocked 10 db off the quietest one on the market. G&T: Really? What’s the db drop that you are getting right now? What’s the average db when you are shooting 5.56? JJFU: It was at [measured] from the shooter’s distance at three feet or less, it’s 88 db. G&T: It knocked off 88 db? JJFU: No, it’s 88 db total at the loudest point. (NOTE: when I talked to Jesse again at SHOT SHOW 2014 he told me he was able to get the levels down to 82 db) G&T: Even still… That’s with subsonic ammunition? JJFU: No, that’s just regular. I didn’t want to do any subsonic stuff. I just use regular, cheapo Cabela’s .223. I'm actually embarrassed for him. Dear Lord, he's talking completely out of his ass, and there's really no need to. I have no idea why he's doing this. Yeah. If he actually SAID that, then I don't even know what to say. Agreed. It was painful to read. I'd be squirming if I had to listen to it in person. 
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Posted: 1/26/2015 9:19:09 PM EDT
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High tech baffle stack. http://truthaboutguns-zippykid.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/P1150354-900x600.jpg Looks like OPS INC and Surfire's baffle design, but spaced out more I don't foresee 88db total I'd bet a pmag that can doesn't go below 135db in milspec or at the ear testing. If he goes through with this, the Liberty cans are going to absolutely wreck his in testing. |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 9:21:08 PM EDT
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Agreed. It was painful to read. I'd be squirming if I had to listen to it in person. It would be seriously uncomfortable as an interviewer, if you're trying to be polite and respectful. Because basically, the guy you're interviewing thinks you're a fucking moron. |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 9:28:33 PM EDT
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i certainly don't understand the science here but i am having a real hard time believing that dropping the bolt in an ar is over 100db of noise. 80-90db is considered to be unsafe for hearing damage. Well, it's a fact. That's one of the reasons people will tell you that no suppressor on an AR is truly hearing safe. Loud noises are bad for your ears. The louder they are the shorter duration before damage risk. Think about how loud the action really is if it were a continuous noise. |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 9:32:10 PM EDT
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High tech baffle stack. http://truthaboutguns-zippykid.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/P1150354-900x600.jpg Looks like OPS INC and Surfire's baffle design, but spaced out more I don't foresee 88db total I'd bet a pmag that can doesn't go below 135db in milspec or at the ear testing. If he goes through with this, the Liberty cans are going to absolutely wreck his in testing. I have a feeling he has no idea how little he actually knows, and how many people know a whole lot more than he does.. There's no other explanation for it. |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 9:33:31 PM EDT
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Agreed. It was painful to read. I'd be squirming if I had to listen to it in person. It would be seriously uncomfortable as an interviewer, if you're trying to be polite and respectful. Because basically, the guy you're interviewing thinks you're is a fucking moron. FIFY |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 9:34:17 PM EDT
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It always amuses me when someone thinks they can waltz into an already competitive make full of smart well funded people and claim they made something far better then everyone else.
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Posted: 1/26/2015 9:37:25 PM EDT
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It always amuses me when someone thinks they can waltz into an already competitive make full of smart well funded people and claim they made something far better then everyone else. Silencers are where some of the smarter folks in the gun business are located too... *kermit* but that's none of my business... *kermit* |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 9:44:01 PM EDT
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It always amuses me when someone thinks they can waltz into an already competitive make full of smart well funded people and claim they made something far better then everyone else. Silencers are where some of the smarter folks in the gun business are located too... *kermit* but that's none of my business... *kermit* What's really crazy is in that vid of him speaking to that crowd, he says something like, "I'm not doing this to put other people out of business, or steal customers."
I think he believes what he says and knows close to nothing about shooting or silencers, and he doesn't understand how far out of his depth he is. He doesn't even understand he can't use his Iphone to measure dbs. (I'm positive that's what he used to "meter" his abominations. Every time I see numbers like that, it's a small-time guy who knows nothing using his phone. Or Red Jacket.) I'll bet he just recently got interested in them. He is really embarrassing himself. |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 9:44:20 PM EDT
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I suspect that some of the high-end suppressor shops are running CFD simulations on their cans.
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Posted: 1/26/2015 9:45:17 PM EDT
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I suspect that some of the high-end suppressor shops are running CFD simulations on their cans. I'm imagining a few SureFire engineers with expressions after that interview.
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Posted: 1/26/2015 9:45:31 PM EDT
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Y'all are just mad that an inkie grease monkey has found a way to suspend the laws of physics. I'll admit it. That would make me very mad. LOLed. Quoted for the angery. |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 9:45:53 PM EDT
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I suspect that some of the high-end suppressor shops are running CFD simulations on their cans. I suspect they're posting humorous captioned photos in the breakroom. |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 9:49:54 PM EDT
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I suspect that some of the high-end suppressor shops are running CFD simulations on their cans. I suspect they're posting humorous captioned photos in the breakroom. I mean their own cans as in they can run beaucoup sims making minor changes each run doing thousands of runs on a computer. Really, how is a guy in a machine shop gonna compete with that when they can do ten thousand sim runs for every prototype he can make? |
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