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Posted: 1/25/2015 11:45:10 PM EDT
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What if I told you, the BATFE allows certain people to keep post 1986 machine guns? I would say that bodes well for the lawsuit. 
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Posted: 1/25/2015 11:45:59 PM EDT
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What if I told you, the BATFE allows certain people to keep post 1986 machine guns? I wouldn't be surprised  Win or lose, we will at the least expose them. How many you figuring are on that list? 50? 100? More? |
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Posted: 1/25/2015 11:46:27 PM EDT
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What if I told you, the BATFE allows certain people to keep post 1986 machine guns? It would piss me off something fierce... That too. |
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Posted: 1/25/2015 11:46:57 PM EDT
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What if I told you, the BATFE allows certain people to keep post 1986 machine guns? It would piss me off something fierce... Get ready to get pissed. Soon? |
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Posted: 1/25/2015 11:47:29 PM EDT
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What if I told you, the BATFE allows certain people to keep post 1986 machine guns? It would piss me off something fierce... Get ready to get pissed. Soon? Yes. |
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Posted: 1/25/2015 11:47:30 PM EDT
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Go out of Business? Quite the opposite. There would be Lots of Machine Gun Sales.
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Posted: 1/25/2015 11:47:32 PM EDT
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I'm not naming any names. I'm not exposing myself to drama, or some butthurt gun dealer trying to sue me.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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......I remember back in 2012 when I was stationed at Fort Campbell, some of the gun dealers around me were hoping Obama got re-elected, so their sales would go up. 
Now with the Hollis vs Holder suit, it seems to have some of the more fucktarded SOTs around the country worried...... On Saturday, I was at a semi-local NFA dealer, and heard a conversation between the two guys behind the counter, that while they thought it was private, wasn't so private afterall. I overhead the guy saying how if the NFA were repealed, or if post-86 MGs were legal again, he'd loose lots of money, or possibly go out of business, and that he hopes the lawsuit fails.
Is this really the type of people that dealers specalizing in NFA items, actually are? I bet there's more than a few dealers and MG owners on this forum that hope Hollis vs Holder fails as well.  NAMES???? I'm not naming any names. I'm not exposing myself to drama, or some butthurt gun dealer trying to sue me. I was mainly being sarcastic. I used to live in NOVA and no, after watching that other VA dealer clown a couple of years ago...not surprised. I can still remember talking to some of the FUDD cunts in years past about the need to give up the AW to protect their uber expensive shotguns from regulations.
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Posted: 1/25/2015 11:48:22 PM EDT
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What if I told you, the BATFE allows certain people to keep post 1986 machine guns? It would piss me off something fierce... Get ready to get pissed. Soon? Yes. Soon Not Soon™ Right? |
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Posted: 1/25/2015 11:49:08 PM EDT
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moot point; it's not getting repealed.
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Posted: 1/25/2015 11:49:20 PM EDT
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Then tell us who they are so we can avoid them and/or make that fucker famous. I am not optimistic about having a positive outcome or even neutral outcome in these suits, but fuck that Benedict Arnold piece of shit. We don't need friends like that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Snip Then tell us who they are so we can avoid them and/or make that fucker famous. I am not optimistic about having a positive outcome or even neutral outcome in these suits, but fuck that Benedict Arnold piece of shit. We don't need friends like that. On this we can agree. Worse the Liberal gun grabbers IMO. |
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Posted: 1/25/2015 11:50:44 PM EDT
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......I remember back in 2012 when I was stationed at Fort Campbell, some of the gun dealers around me were hoping Obama got re-elected, so their sales would go up.
Now with the Hollis vs Holder suit, it seems to have some of the more fucktarded SOTs around the country worried...... On Saturday, I was at a semi-local NFA dealer, and heard a conversation between the two guys behind the counter, that while they thought it was private, wasn't so private afterall. I overhead the guy saying how if the NFA were repealed, or if post-86 MGs were legal again, he'd loose lots of money, or possibly go out of business, and that he hopes the lawsuit fails.
Is this really the type of people that dealers specalizing in NFA items, actually are? I bet there's more than a few dealers and MG owners on this forum that hope Hollis vs Holder fails as well. NAMES???? I hope they go out business soon I would not shop there ever again. If they are too stupid to realize the business they would get if NFA was repealed. |
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Posted: 1/25/2015 11:50:53 PM EDT
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Not Soon™ Right? What is this I don't even. |
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Posted: 1/25/2015 11:51:09 PM EDT
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Shit bags like that belong on the end of a rope with the rest of the treasonous pieces of shit.... +2 |
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Posted: 1/25/2015 11:52:06 PM EDT
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disgusting....
while some parts of the country are getting boots on their necks for basic freedoms.. faggots like this are praying freedom doesnt win. i hope to shit their store doesnt burn down....  |
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Posted: 1/25/2015 11:52:25 PM EDT
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That's all been brought up before. Most MG owners would trade the value in their collection to be able to buy new MGs for a tiny fraction of current pricing. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I recently bought a machine gun and I'd trade its value to register 10 AR-15's and 10 AK's in a heartbeat! |
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Posted: 1/25/2015 11:52:48 PM EDT
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Not Soon™ Right? What is this I don't even. Soon™ Is code for "As soon as its ready." Not "Soon next week.". Also, why do you feel then need to show up with stuff like this so near bed time then make me stay up hopping for info.  
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Posted: 1/25/2015 11:52:56 PM EDT
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Freedom is secondary to making a buck. If your outlook is to buy overvalued shit with very similar functionality to existing arms for thousands more because you believe the existing law will continue on forever then you should just jump headfirst into cow shit. Which also most likely implies those same people would do nothing to change the law.
I'm not referring to people who buy FA weapons because that's what they want, I'm referring to the people who specifically buy them as an investment. That's hedging on your 2A rights never being fully restored. |
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Posted: 1/25/2015 11:52:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes. Can I safely assume this goes well beyond a SOT expiring and them keeping pre-may dealer samples? |
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Posted: 1/25/2015 11:55:05 PM EDT
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Can I safely assume this goes well beyond a SOT expiring and them keeping pre-may dealer samples? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes. Can I safely assume this goes well beyond a SOT expiring and them keeping pre-may dealer samples? You are a wise man. |
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Posted: 1/25/2015 11:55:28 PM EDT
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I know a man who renounced his lifetime NRA membership in disgust in 1994 after he overheard a gun store owner, who was an NRA bigwig talking about how much he liked Bill Clinton for signing the federal AW ban. The store owner was in the process of tripling the marked prices on AR-15 rifles. I understand that business is reptilian and that marking up the prices was the logical thing to do, but the guy's attitude was disgusting. Not long after Sandy Hook when the panic was getting into high gear I walked into two brand new gunshops on the same day. The first one I talked to the owner and he told me that he would only raise prices as his distributors did so that he could stay in business. Over the last few years he has stayed true to his word. I talked to the owner of the second one and he told me he was about to remove the prices from his PMAGs and when a customer would ask to buy one he would check the internet and sell it for the highest price he found. Guess which store I continue to shop at and which one I have never set foot in again? |
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Posted: 1/25/2015 11:55:36 PM EDT
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I mean, there are some dealers sitting on shit that would loose their shirts if it was repealed. That's the nature of doing business. Some times investments change. Nothing is given, markets have a habit of changing. Evolve or die.
Myself personally? I'd be happy to see my couple of hundred k get turned into $50k worth so I could buy a new P90. Or a 249. Or 240b. Or 134. Or MK19. Or MP7. Or or or Get the point? 
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Posted: 1/25/2015 11:58:40 PM EDT
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......I remember back in 2012 when I was stationed at Fort Campbell, some of the gun dealers around me were hoping Obama got re-elected, so their sales would go up.
Now with the Hollis vs Holder suit, it seems to have some of the more fucktarded SOTs around the country worried...... On Saturday, I was at a semi-local NFA dealer, and heard a conversation between the two guys behind the counter, that while they thought it was private, wasn't so private afterall. I overhead the guy saying how if the NFA were repealed, or if post-86 MGs were legal again, he'd loose lots of money, or possibly go out of business, and that he hopes the lawsuit fails.
Is this really the type of people that dealers specalizing in NFA items, actually are? I bet there's more than a few dealers and MG owners on this forum that hope Hollis vs Holder fails as well. Was it John Brown ? I would take the lose in value for the repeal of 1934 as would most NFA owners . Even most dealers would . rare guns and unusual examples would still have value . Original guns would still have value |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 12:00:15 AM EDT
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If we win the lawsuit and it turns out that ATF's actions are ruled unconstitutional/illegal, could not current MG owners sue for the financial damage doen to them by those actions?
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Posted: 1/26/2015 12:03:02 AM EDT
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What if I told you, the BATFE allows certain people to keep post 1986 machine guns? I have heard stories of this for many years |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 12:06:35 AM EDT
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What if I told you, the BATFE allows certain people to keep post 1986 machine guns? I wouldn't be surprised Win or lose, we will at the least expose them. Any anti-2nd politicians on that list? |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 12:07:24 AM EDT
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What if I told you, the BATFE allows certain people to keep post 1986 machine guns? I have heard stories of this for many years There was an article discussing it in Small Arms Review about 8 years ago, iirc. |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 12:09:19 AM EDT
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Shit bags like that belong on the end of a rope with the rest of the treasonous pieces of shit.... +2 Would that same line of thought also extend to LEOs that arrest and charge citizens for possession of illegal firearms? |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 12:11:26 AM EDT
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What if I told you, the BATFE allows certain people to keep post 1986 machine guns? I too will be interested to read this further. I read in the complaint and the answer that upon information and belief you had this info, but nothing specific. Over the years, I've seen a few clearly post-86 transferrables for sale. Mostly, they have been M16s that rumor has it, Colt re-made for a few special clients with old serials. I have to imagine that if you can prove these exist, that you'll also have to prove that the BATFE had knowledge of them and were complicit in allowing them to remain in private hands and in the registry. It's all well and good to say "look, your honor, John Doe has what clearly is a Colt M4 manufactured around 1996 and it's in the registry." But surely, the ATF will deny knowledge and say "thank you for bringing it to our attention. Had we been aware of it, we would have confiscated it immediately." The court probably isn't going to say "tough shit, now you've opened the floodgates" to the ATF. It'll probably say "mistakes happen and they're going to deal with it. It's irrelevant." About the only thing that I can see happening without showing evidence that the ATF did indeed have knowledge and made exceptions, is that more than a few machine guns will be confiscated and those owners will loose thousands or hundreds of thousands. How do you propose to deal with all that? And do you have proof the ATF was complicit in this? That's the stuff I'd like to know...I look forward to reading up on it. For the record, the hatred from people on this board toward those who own machine guns currently is pretty astounding to me. It really seems as though you all think we're trying to keep the little people down and that we think ourselves superior to you. It's a totally ridiculous notion. |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 12:11:40 AM EDT
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What if I told you, the BATFE allows certain people to keep post 1986 machine guns? It would piss me off something fierce... Get ready to get pissed. who gets to keep posties, i was under the impression that dealers had to destroy, sell or surrender them after their SOT expired. |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 12:13:16 AM EDT
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Shit. A factory fresh m240 costs $16k today. That is a hell of a lot cheaper than $175k, but still very pricey. the .mil pays 16k for a belt fed? seriously ? |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 12:13:22 AM EDT
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Aren't there some senators, congressmen, and other high ranking officials able to get post guns added to the registration, and then sell them to others for profit? I've read of this before, but I forget where.
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Posted: 1/26/2015 12:13:44 AM EDT
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Unless the SOT is sitting on several mid to high dollar MGs or does a ton of transfers, NFA repeal/nullification would actually help him. Suppressor sales especially would skyrocket, but so too would MGs (albeit at a lower price, but more volume).
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Posted: 1/26/2015 12:14:11 AM EDT
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What if I told you, the BATFE allows certain people to keep post 1986 machine guns? It would piss me off something fierce... Get ready to get pissed. who gets to keep posties, i was under the impression that dealers had to destroy, sell or surrender them after their SOT expired. My guess? Hollywood types, uber rich folk, high ranking .fed employes.... |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 12:14:35 AM EDT
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Shit. A factory fresh m240 costs $16k today. That is a hell of a lot cheaper than $175k, but still very pricey. the .mil pays 16k for a belt fed? seriously ? Methinks ASB might be referring to the OOW semi-auto price? |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 12:14:48 AM EDT
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Can I safely assume this goes well beyond a SOT expiring and them keeping pre-may dealer samples? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes. Can I safely assume this goes well beyond a SOT expiring and them keeping pre-may dealer samples? Well that's legal. If it was a post-sample, it wouldn't be. By definition anyway, a pre-May sample was made before FOPA...it just didn't enter the transferrable registry, |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 12:15:15 AM EDT
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What if I told you, the BATFE allows certain people to keep post 1986 machine guns? Did you get some response to your FOIA requests? |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 12:15:46 AM EDT
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It would never happen, but if the NFA did get completely repealed, what do you think would happen to the value of all of those 25k+ MG's? Instant market correction. I don't care. I prefer freedom! |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 12:16:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Philosophically I can't agree. However, they are businessmen with an inventory that could be de-valued sUbstantially. Don't Care. They shouldn't have invested so much into a highly volatile commodity that their business is in jeopardy if that commodity tanks. |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 12:16:53 AM EDT
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What if I told you, the BATFE allows certain people to keep post 1986 machine guns? It would piss me off something fierce... Get ready to get pissed. who gets to keep posties, i was under the impression that dealers had to destroy, sell or surrender them after their SOT expired. I have heard this for some time now. Bush has Saddams Glock 18. But thats an overt case there are plenty of covert cases of this happening. |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 12:17:37 AM EDT
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I know two SOTs, and they both are for repealing Hughes and NFA. The guys I know are SOTs mostly for themselves and dealing is not the main source of their income.
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Posted: 1/26/2015 12:20:02 AM EDT
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What if I told you, the BATFE allows certain people to keep post 1986 machine guns? Wouldn't be surprised in the least. |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 12:22:14 AM EDT
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How about the quisling professional trainers who push for requiring training and qualification standards for people who want to exercise their right to carry a gun? Those assholes too. Yep |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 12:26:27 AM EDT
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I doubt a 1917 water cooled or Colt Potato Digger are going to lose value.
Modern stuff probably. |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 12:35:08 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/26/2015 12:36:32 AM EDT
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What if I told you, the BATFE allows certain people to keep post 1986 machine guns? It would piss me off something fierce... Get ready to get pissed. Soon? Yes. Oh snap. My freedom boner is chubby now. |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 12:39:11 AM EDT
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What if I told you, the BATFE allows certain people to keep post 1986 machine guns? You're such a tease!
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Posted: 1/26/2015 12:40:21 AM EDT
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They see it as an investment rather than a right. They'd make their money back if they are smart. And i'd have full auto :)
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Posted: 1/26/2015 12:40:54 AM EDT
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Philosophically I can't agree. However, they are businessmen with an inventory that could be de-valued sUbstantially. Then they're carrying too much inventory. For dealers, they should pry for NFA to be overturned- sales volume will go through the roof, although at lower prices. For the assholes who chose transferable MGs as their entire retirement portfolio - they may have chosen poorly if those MGs don't also have historic value. |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 12:41:08 AM EDT
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I know it's not much compared to a lot of folks on here but I'd gladly watch my $2500 Mac 11 turn into a $400 gun if it meant I could Form 1 a FA lower.
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Posted: 1/26/2015 12:41:59 AM EDT
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the .mil pays 16k for a belt fed? seriously ? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Shit. A factory fresh m240 costs $16k today. That is a hell of a lot cheaper than $175k, but still very pricey. the .mil pays 16k for a belt fed? seriously ? More like 6K |
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