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Posted: 1/25/2015 10:04:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Perhaps you should take it to IM with him then? In your attempt to state facts, you conveniently left out the fact that his first trial ended with a hung jury, and the prosecutor jury shopped for the second trial. Also, to date, nobody has stated officially what police duties he allegedly interfered with. The charge, and ultimate conviction were for contempt of cop. Please explain what you mean by "jury shopping." Problem is, the trial wasn't about the 2nd Amendment but of causing a scene. Oh I know what he wants. I was just curious as to what, precisely, he meant.
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Posted: 1/25/2015 10:20:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We wants to make it sound as if the State Attorney's Office tried to doctor to jury and trial. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Perhaps you should take it to IM with him then? In your attempt to state facts, you conveniently left out the fact that his first trial ended with a hung jury, and the prosecutor jury shopped for the second trial. Also, to date, nobody has stated officially what police duties he allegedly interfered with. The charge, and ultimate conviction were for contempt of cop. Please explain what you mean by "jury shopping." Problem is, the trial wasn't about the 2nd Amendment but of causing a scene. Oh I know what he wants. I was just curious as to what, precisely, he meant. |
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Posted: 1/25/2015 11:31:59 AM EDT
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Whole Foods have now banned guns from their businesses. Awesome!
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Posted: 1/25/2015 11:45:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Whole Foods have now banned guns from their businesses. Awesome! The Open Carry Tards have done and are doing more to get antigun laws/rules put in place than the anti-gun activists....
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Posted: 1/25/2015 11:55:41 AM EDT
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The Open Carry Tards have done and are doing more to get antigun laws/rules put in place than the anti-gun activists....
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Whole Foods have now banned guns from their businesses. Awesome! The Open Carry Tards have done and are doing more to get antigun laws/rules put in place than the anti-gun activists....
Shall not be infringed!!!!!!!! These guys are our modern day lunch counter protestors. You want to live on your knees? These tactics worked for the homos. (All the above is being facetious). |
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Posted: 1/25/2015 12:40:23 PM EDT
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Problem is, the trial wasn't about the 2nd Amendment but of causing a scene. Oh I know what he wants. I was just curious as to what, precisely, he meant. He won't answer.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Perhaps you should take it to IM with him then? In your attempt to state facts, you conveniently left out the fact that his first trial ended with a hung jury, and the prosecutor jury shopped for the second trial. Also, to date, nobody has stated officially what police duties he allegedly interfered with. The charge, and ultimate conviction were for contempt of cop. Please explain what you mean by "jury shopping." Oh I know what he wants. I was just curious as to what, precisely, he meant. He won't answer.... No big surprise there. |
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Posted: 1/25/2015 2:15:26 PM EDT
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Problem is, the trial wasn't about the 2nd Amendment but of causing a scene. Oh I know what he wants. I was just curious as to what, precisely, he meant. He won't answer.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Perhaps you should take it to IM with him then? In your attempt to state facts, you conveniently left out the fact that his first trial ended with a hung jury, and the prosecutor jury shopped for the second trial. Also, to date, nobody has stated officially what police duties he allegedly interfered with. The charge, and ultimate conviction were for contempt of cop. Please explain what you mean by "jury shopping." Oh I know what he wants. I was just curious as to what, precisely, he meant. He won't answer.... Oh, are you talking to me now?? Hard to keeo track... ya'll are worse than a pregnant woman sometimes. How could the trial be about "causing a scene" when the stop occurred on a back road with no uninvolved parties present? Further, Texas Penal Code does not provide, so far as I am aware, penalties for "causing a scene". |
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Posted: 1/25/2015 2:56:09 PM EDT
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Screaming profanities with bullhorns at the police should be enough to tell you who these people really are. http://www.fwweekly.com/2015/01/14/open-scary/ Then again there is a certain group of members who would consider you a "Bootlicker" for NOT doing so.... Luckily its a SMALL number... |
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Posted: 1/25/2015 3:49:30 PM EDT
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I ignore anyone who calls himself a patriot.
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Posted: 1/25/2015 4:59:01 PM EDT
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Then again there is a certain group of members who would consider you a "Bootlicker" for NOT doing so.... Luckily its a SMALL number... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Screaming profanities with bullhorns at the police should be enough to tell you who these people really are. http://www.fwweekly.com/2015/01/14/open-scary/ Then again there is a certain group of members who would consider you a "Bootlicker" for NOT doing so.... Luckily its a SMALL number... Reading the comments from that linked article, several posters seem to think these douche bags are Republicans. No mention of their true leader, ron Paul. |
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Posted: 1/25/2015 5:14:52 PM EDT
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Quote Historyso this CJ Grisham is supposed to be the reasonable opposite of Kory Watkins? 
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Posted: 1/27/2015 4:34:26 PM EDT
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Another question for CJ if he ever pokes his head back in here:
You said earlier that yesterday (1/26) was OCT's lobbying day at the capital. Today (1/27) Lt Gov Patrick said he doesn't think we have the votes in the Senate to pass Open Carry. Are you ready to reevaluate your lobbying tactics now, after 3 sessions of failure by being confrontational and abrasive? |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 4:42:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Another question for CJ if he ever pokes his head back in here: You said earlier that yesterday (1/26) was OCT's lobbying day at the capital. Today (1/27) Lt Gov Patrick said he doesn't think we have the votes in the Senate to pass Open Carry. Are you ready to reevaluate your lobbying tactics now, after 3 sessions of failure by being confrontational and abrasive? |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 4:49:24 PM EDT
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According to my sources inside the leg, they were even "aggressive and abrasive" to the members who are pushing open carry and Constitutional carry. They pretty much pissed off everyone, for and against.  Hence the split from OC Texas. Nor can they tell the difference from the rest of us gunowners and nor will they NOT gleefully jump on these idiots' antics to tar us all with the same brush. Eh, they can tell the difference IMO, just like a gay man in a 3-piece looks reasonable and moderate after comparing to a flamer. |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 6:50:08 PM EDT
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I would like to hear an answer to that please. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Another question for CJ if he ever pokes his head back in here: You said earlier that yesterday (1/26) was OCT's lobbying day at the capital. Today (1/27) Lt Gov Patrick said he doesn't think we have the votes in the Senate to pass Open Carry. Are you ready to reevaluate your lobbying tactics now, after 3 sessions of failure by being confrontational and abrasive? I doubt that CJ will ever be around again after the whole OCT thing severely backfired. |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 6:51:50 PM EDT
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so this CJ Grisham is supposed to be the reasonable opposite of Kory Watkins? Quote HistoryQuoted:
so this CJ Grisham is supposed to be the reasonable opposite of Kory Watkins? Grisham CREATED Watkins and his group. Had high praise for them just a couple of weeks ago. |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 6:54:11 PM EDT
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Once again... this is what CJ Grisham help spawn.     |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 6:54:57 PM EDT
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I ignore anyone who calls himself a patriot. I would add to that list people who claim to be sheepdogs. |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 6:55:38 PM EDT
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Fucking cocksucking open carry douchetards.
One of these days one of these idiots is going to get shot by the police. That will generate zero fucks from me. |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 7:03:54 PM EDT
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Fucking cocksucking open carry douchetards. One of these days one of these idiots is going to get shot by the police. That will generate zero fucks from me. And here is where we set up the ramp. |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 7:05:37 PM EDT
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Fucking cocksucking open carry douchetards. One of these days one of these idiots is going to get shot by the police. That will generate zero fucks from me. It's coming, they are harassing cops while armed now. (CopBlock) To be honest, I'm amazed they haven't shot each OTHER. |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 8:52:21 PM EDT
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http://www.guns.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Jason-McMillon.jpg Why do these guys dress like bums?  To hide his drop leg rig. Always good to walk around with a rifle in your hands. |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 8:59:04 PM EDT
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The other thing is this one group of 10-15 (?) people (Open Carry Tarrant County) is responsible for damn near 90-95% of the negative publicity regarding open carry. This is the same group from Chipotle. It is the same group from Target. It is the same group that keeps mixing it up with the city of Arlington. It is the group that got hit by a car as well as the group whose member was arrested for the murder of her husband. If they aren't a false flag group, they are doing a damn good job for free. So if a politician votes against free speech, citing the shenanigans of Westboro Baptist Church, is it the fault of the church or the politicians that are too stupid or too liberal to see the whole picture? |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 11:45:20 PM EDT
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It's coming, they are harassing cops while armed now. (CopBlock) To be honest, I'm amazed they haven't shot each OTHER. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fucking cocksucking open carry douchetards. One of these days one of these idiots is going to get shot by the police. That will generate zero fucks from me. It's coming, they are harassing cops while armed now. (CopBlock) To be honest, I'm amazed they haven't shot each OTHER. Well, turn about is fair play, is it not Johnny? What's good for the goose and all? Am I right??? 
I mean, this mess started with cops harassing armed citizens LMAO!! 
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Posted: 1/27/2015 11:47:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You do realize no body takes you seriously right?, that you're a big joke? |
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Posted: 1/27/2015 11:48:46 PM EDT
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You do realize no body takes you seriously right?, that you're a big joke? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: You do realize no body takes you seriously right?, that you're a big joke? This is arfcom. Is it to be taken seriously? I thought there were special threads for that, where people shared their hardships, loss, or other real world issues. eta: And for somebody not taken seriously, there's a lot of people who put good effort into letting me know that. I wonder why that is... 
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Posted: 1/27/2015 11:56:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, turn about is fair play, is it not Johnny? What's good for the goose and all? Am I right??? I mean, this mess started with cops harassing armed citizens LMAO!! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Fucking cocksucking open carry douchetards. One of these days one of these idiots is going to get shot by the police. That will generate zero fucks from me. It's coming, they are harassing cops while armed now. (CopBlock) To be honest, I'm amazed they haven't shot each OTHER. Well, turn about is fair play, is it not Johnny? What's good for the goose and all? Am I right??? I mean, this mess started with cops harassing armed citizens LMAO!! CJ Grisham was arrested and charged with Florida equivalence of Disorderly Conduct and was found guilty by a jury of his peers. He wasn't arrested for Open Carrying. The 2nd Amendment had no play at all in his initial arrest. Am I right??? If you think an officer conducting a investigation after someone called in a gun "harassing". LMAO!! |
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Posted: 1/28/2015 12:00:16 AM EDT
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CJ Grisham was arrested and charged with Florida equivalence of Disorderly Conduct and was found guilty by a jury of his peers. He wasn't arrested for Open Carrying. The 2nd Amendment had no play at all in his initial arrest. Am I right???
If you think an officer conducting a investigation after someone called in a gun "harassing". LMAO!!
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Fucking cocksucking open carry douchetards. One of these days one of these idiots is going to get shot by the police. That will generate zero fucks from me. It's coming, they are harassing cops while armed now. (CopBlock) To be honest, I'm amazed they haven't shot each OTHER. Well, turn about is fair play, is it not Johnny? What's good for the goose and all? Am I right???
I mean, this mess started with cops harassing armed citizens LMAO!! CJ Grisham was arrested and charged with Florida equivalence of Disorderly Conduct and was found guilty by a jury of his peers. He wasn't arrested for Open Carrying. The 2nd Amendment had no play at all in his initial arrest. Am I right???
If you think an officer conducting a investigation after someone called in a gun "harassing". LMAO!!
That's great. We have DC here, and he was not charged with that. Further, there were a flurry of well publicized incidents of the police butting heads with legal OC'ers who were not engaged in protests, but just walking down the street with their rifle and their camera. It was all discussed here. eta: Yes, I do. "carrying a gun" is not an offense. Add asshattery to the mix, sure. But folks minding their own business doing so called "open carry walks" were "given the treatment" by over zealous officers. There were a number of law abiding officers filmed as well. |
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Posted: 1/28/2015 12:09:02 AM EDT
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Quoted: My first choice is open carry, and I hope that by some miracle it gets to the floor for a vote. I don't support campus carry, because I fundamentally oppose carve outs for special interest groups. But I will say, the epic amount of butt hurt I am seeing here from certain members (inclusing those in-austin) makes up for the let down.  CCW permit holders are a special interest group. Hell, gun owners are... they have specific lobbying organizations working on their behalf to pass special laws just for them. |
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Posted: 1/28/2015 9:53:26 AM EDT
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Good job, Open Carry Texans!
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Posted: 1/28/2015 9:57:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: CCW permit holders are a special interest group. Hell, gun owners are... they have specific lobbying organizations working on their behalf to pass special laws just for them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My first choice is open carry, and I hope that by some miracle it gets to the floor for a vote. I don't support campus carry, because I fundamentally oppose carve outs for special interest groups. But I will say, the epic amount of butt hurt I am seeing here from certain members (inclusing those in-austin) makes up for the let down. CCW permit holders are a special interest group. Hell, gun owners are... they have specific lobbying organizations working on their behalf to pass special laws just for them. Open Carry movements draw the sort of folks that have trouble conceptualizing the value of incrementalism. |
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Posted: 1/28/2015 9:58:41 AM EDT
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There have not been enough votes to send an open-carry bill to the governor in past legislative sessions, he said, and this session, “I haven’t had anyone bring it up to me.” |
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Posted: 1/28/2015 9:59:40 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/28/2015 10:02:18 AM EDT
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So if a politician votes against free speech, citing the shenanigans of Westboro Baptist Church, is it the fault of the church or the politicians that are too stupid or too liberal to see the whole picture? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The other thing is this one group of 10-15 (?) people (Open Carry Tarrant County) is responsible for damn near 90-95% of the negative publicity regarding open carry. This is the same group from Chipotle. It is the same group from Target. It is the same group that keeps mixing it up with the city of Arlington. It is the group that got hit by a car as well as the group whose member was arrested for the murder of her husband. If they aren't a false flag group, they are doing a damn good job for free. So if a politician votes against free speech, citing the shenanigans of Westboro Baptist Church, is it the fault of the church or the politicians that are too stupid or too liberal to see the whole picture? Depends. Are the WBC folks neckbeards? Dress like slobs ? Wear fedoras? Wear a "hands up" shirt ? Ratio of bronnies to hipsters ? Do they almost seem like a a giant ironic charecture of gun owners ? We need answers before we load them in cattle cars. Fuck it, let's just load em up and get on to another subset of gun owners. The only way to power is to cast nonbelievers out and continue to purge our ranks. |
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Posted: 1/28/2015 10:32:23 AM EDT
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Jokes are funny. Z stinks worse than a cattle feed lot. What sort of dysfunctional mindset do you have to have to seek out negative attention on the internet? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 1/28/2015 10:36:10 AM EDT
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Open Carry movements draw the sort of folks that have trouble conceptualizing the value of incrementalism. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My first choice is open carry, and I hope that by some miracle it gets to the floor for a vote. I don't support campus carry, because I fundamentally oppose carve outs for special interest groups. But I will say, the epic amount of butt hurt I am seeing here from certain members (inclusing those in-austin) makes up for the let down. [div style='text-indent: 20px;']CCW permit holders are a special interest group. Hell, gun owners are... they have specific lobbying organizations working on their behalf to pass special laws just for them. Open Carry movements draw the sort of folks that have trouble conceptualizing the value of incrementalism. Theres at least two reasons for that: 1) The right wing (Limbaugh et al) have painted incrementalism as an evil tool of the left. "We can't full socialism today so lets get a bit here and a bit there!" 2) As I've posted many times, liberty minded people are of the belief that this shit sells itself. Something about truths being "self evident". |
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Posted: 1/28/2015 10:39:25 AM EDT
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What purpose is served by digging-up this thread?
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Posted: 1/28/2015 10:39:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How many of these OC tards are actually antis who are covertly trying to do harm by acting like a retarded firearm owner? What better way to destroy the public opinion of your enemy than doing it for them "as them". |
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Posted: 1/28/2015 10:40:30 AM EDT
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What purpose is served by digging-up this thread? I bumped it today when I saw that OC efforts in Texas have failed. Rubbing their noses in the truth and all that. |
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Posted: 1/28/2015 11:36:42 AM EDT
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So if a politician votes against free speech, citing the shenanigans of Westboro Baptist Church, is it the fault of the church or the politicians that are too stupid or too liberal to see the whole picture? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The other thing is this one group of 10-15 (?) people (Open Carry Tarrant County) is responsible for damn near 90-95% of the negative publicity regarding open carry. This is the same group from Chipotle. It is the same group from Target. It is the same group that keeps mixing it up with the city of Arlington. It is the group that got hit by a car as well as the group whose member was arrested for the murder of her husband. If they aren't a false flag group, they are doing a damn good job for free. So if a politician votes against free speech, citing the shenanigans of Westboro Baptist Church, is it the fault of the church or the politicians that are too stupid or too liberal to see the whole picture? WBC is a democrat front group. Democrats have always used false flags, agent provocateurs and infiltrators to drive low info voters away from Republicans and conservatism. Crash The Tea Party is another. Reminder: 'God Hates Fags' Church Run By Democrats Outcrazying The Crazy: How A Prankster Plans To Infiltrate And Destroy The Tea Party Movement |
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Posted: 1/28/2015 11:39:02 AM EDT
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Fucking cocksucking open carry douchetards. One of these days one of these idiots is going to get shot by the police. That will generate zero fucks from me. We can only hope......
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Posted: 1/28/2015 11:39:36 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/28/2015 11:47:01 AM EDT
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I have a hard time believing that the WBC is a false flag operation.
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Posted: 1/28/2015 11:47:29 AM EDT
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I ignore anyone who calls himself a patriot. I would add to that list people who claim to be sheepdogs. Ughhh, I hate that term. It's one of those words that immediately causes me to stop taking someone seriously. Same here. Grossman never saw combat. |
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Posted: 1/28/2015 12:03:46 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/28/2015 12:08:57 PM EDT
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In Liberty, CJ Grisham President Open Carry Texas Thanks for joining us! |
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Posted: 1/28/2015 12:11:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks for joining us! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: In Liberty, CJ Grisham President Open Carry Texas Thanks for joining us! |
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Posted: 1/28/2015 1:45:18 PM EDT
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Watkins added: "I'm coming to [Patrick's] office Thursday. Tell them to get the panic buttons ready.” His group started a separate Facebook page vowing to "hunt [opponents] down” and make them "leave Texas
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Posted: 1/28/2015 1:46:08 PM EDT
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I have a hard time believing that the WBC is a false flag operation. Old Fred was a die-hard dem for ages, up to and including running for office as a Dem..... Now his "Church" can be used as the poster child for "Whacko Right Wing Extremists"..... Not saying they ARE, but it wouldnt be a huge stretch...especially since i have seen a lot of far lefties try to use WBC to tarnish any conservative. |
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Posted: 1/28/2015 2:11:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryHere's another gem: Texas Lawmakers Vote for Panic Buttons Following a dust-up Tuesday when gun rights activists confronted state Rep. Poncho Nevárez in his office, members of the Texas House moved Wednesday to heighten their sense of safety at the Capitol. The members attached an amendment to a perfunctory general housekeeping rule to allow lawmakers to get so-called panic buttons in their offices that would allow them to summon officers from the Department of Public Safety. ----------------- On Tuesday a gun rights group led by Kory Watkins went to several lawmakers’ offices to push for an open carry law ----------------- Former Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson, the original author of the state’s concealed handgun law, said the tangle in Nevárez’s office, which ended with a call to police and the representative tossing the activists out, was an example of the group “trying to pick a fight” and exploit it on the Internet. In the end, Watkins probably did more harm to his cause than good, Patterson said. “That episode might have killed constitutional carry,” Patterson said So they were able to get some legislation passed. They pushed the bill through to get panic-buttons installed real quick. To my understanding it has already passed. Good job you warriors for liberty! ETA: Here in KY we've managed to pass pro-gun legislations via lobbying our legislature behind the scenes. Recently we got some better CCW stuff passed (we already had CCW this just made things better) as well as a shall-issue NFA CLEO sign-off bill by lobbying behind the scenes and with a little help from one of the NRA's lawyers. KY is a top the list of states with good gun rights. We have been controlled by democrats for over 100 years. This is a chess game not checkers. |
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