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Seagate failures are nothing new. That said, I'm running 2 of them now with no problems after a year. I keep good backups, though.
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Wow always thought Seagate was a good brand, I have used Seagate SCSI Cheetahs for years never had a problem, switched to Fujitsu SAS drives in my last build had two of those fail in a one week period, now I just use SSDs.
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that's why all my drives are western digital. Seagates have always been notorious for failures View Quote That's your misplaced brand loyalty talking. All manufacturers have about the same failure rates virtually across the board. They are mechanical parts. They are DESTINED to fail. |
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That's your misplaced brand loyalty talking. All manufacturers have about the same failure rates virtually across the board. They are mechanical parts. They are DESTINED to fail. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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that's why all my drives are western digital. Seagates have always been notorious for failures That's your misplaced brand loyalty talking. All manufacturers have about the same failure rates virtually across the board. They are mechanical parts. They are DESTINED to fail. Pretty much however as someone who spent many years in the IT world doing everything from desktop support to server administration I would choose WD over Seagate any day. I have personally had a lot of bad luck with seagate. |
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Pretty much however as someone who spent many years in the IT world doing everything from desktop support to server administration I would choose WD over Seagate any day. I have personally had a lot of bad luck with seagate. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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that's why all my drives are western digital. Seagates have always been notorious for failures That's your misplaced brand loyalty talking. All manufacturers have about the same failure rates virtually across the board. They are mechanical parts. They are DESTINED to fail. Pretty much however as someone who spent many years in the IT world doing everything from desktop support to server administration I would choose WD over Seagate any day. I have personally had a lot of bad luck with seagate. I have over two decades in IT operations, planning and design. Consumer level are all the same, save the warranties of course. |
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That failure rate doesn't even surprise me. It's not very unusual. Ever since the "Death Stars" there's been model number after model number of unreliable drives. I've done a lot of Seagate RMAs, a lot of WD RMAs, no mfr seems immune to it, and I think all drives die at 3-5yrs anyway... so just buy based on longest warranty coverage period and expect it to die eventually. Back shit up. I only get pissed if they die within 3yrs, and I won't buy a drive with less than a 3yr warranty, period. View Quote Every now and then you get a good one. I have an old Acer laptop, purchased in 2004 when I started college. It has an 80GB 4200rpm drive -- still works fine, over 10 years later. It might be slow as shit but it still works, and that laptop was hauled to class almost every day in my bookbag, tossed into cars, and generally not treated as fragile. Heck I've never had any issues with that laptop other than the hinges eventually wearing out and shearing off (2x...I replaced them the first time but couldn't find replacement parts the second time). Never even had to reinstall Windows. |
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that's why all my drives are western digital. Seagates have always been notorious for failures That's your misplaced brand loyalty talking. All manufacturers have about the same failure rates virtually across the board. They are mechanical parts. They are DESTINED to fail. Pretty much however as someone who spent many years in the IT world doing everything from desktop support to server administration I would choose WD over Seagate any day. I have personally had a lot of bad luck with seagate. I have over two decades in IT operations, planning and design. Consumer level are all the same, save the warranties of course. If you look at the data even consumer level drives are not created equal. Some of the Seagate drives have failure rates on par with the other manufacturers. It's been a few years but I remember some of the reviews on Amazon about certain model Seagates produced in china had issues but Taiwan produced drives were OK. Sometimes it's better to pay more and get better drives like WD blacks over the green for instance. Do your research and you can minimize your potential problems. |
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that's why all my drives are western digital. Seagates have always been notorious for failures That's your misplaced brand loyalty talking. All manufacturers have about the same failure rates virtually across the board. They are mechanical parts. They are DESTINED to fail. Pretty much however as someone who spent many years in the IT world doing everything from desktop support to server administration I would choose WD over Seagate any day. I have personally had a lot of bad luck with seagate. I have over two decades in IT operations, planning and design. Consumer level are all the same, save the warranties of course. Same concept but different write heads, platters, and controllers but I'm sure you know this. The .gov faculty I worked at for years before taking a different postilion within the organization had around 600 PC's which isn't a lot comparatively speaking but in my own first hand experience the failure rate of Seagate compared to WD has been astronomical. My experience might differ from what you have seen but for the most part what i have seen is on par with what you will find on the web or hear from other guys that work/worked in IT. |
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If you look at the data even consumer level drives are not created equal. Some of the Seagate drives have failure rates on par with the other manufacturers. It's been a few years but I remember some of the reviews on Amazon about certain model Seagates produced in china had issues but Taiwan produced drives were OK. Sometimes it's better to pay more and get better drives like WD blacks over the green for instance. Do your research and you can minimize your potential problems. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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that's why all my drives are western digital. Seagates have always been notorious for failures That's your misplaced brand loyalty talking. All manufacturers have about the same failure rates virtually across the board. They are mechanical parts. They are DESTINED to fail. Pretty much however as someone who spent many years in the IT world doing everything from desktop support to server administration I would choose WD over Seagate any day. I have personally had a lot of bad luck with seagate. I have over two decades in IT operations, planning and design. Consumer level are all the same, save the warranties of course. If you look at the data even consumer level drives are not created equal. Some of the Seagate drives have failure rates on par with the other manufacturers. It's been a few years but I remember some of the reviews on Amazon about certain model Seagates produced in china had issues but Taiwan produced drives were OK. Sometimes it's better to pay more and get better drives like WD blacks over the green for instance. Do your research and you can minimize your potential problems. Bingo BTW only use the green for storage |
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Same concept but different write heads, platters, and controllers but I'm sure you know this. The .gov faculty I worked at for years before taking a different postilion within the organization had around 600 PC's which isn't a lot comparatively speaking but in my own first hand experience the failure rate of Seagate compared to WD has been astronomical. My experience might differ from what you have seen but for the most part what i have seen is on par with what you will find on the web or hear from other guys that work/worked in IT. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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that's why all my drives are western digital. Seagates have always been notorious for failures That's your misplaced brand loyalty talking. All manufacturers have about the same failure rates virtually across the board. They are mechanical parts. They are DESTINED to fail. Pretty much however as someone who spent many years in the IT world doing everything from desktop support to server administration I would choose WD over Seagate any day. I have personally had a lot of bad luck with seagate. I have over two decades in IT operations, planning and design. Consumer level are all the same, save the warranties of course. Same concept but different write heads, platters, and controllers but I'm sure you know this. The .gov faculty I worked at for years before taking a different postilion within the organization had around 600 PC's which isn't a lot comparatively speaking but in my own first hand experience the failure rate of Seagate compared to WD has been astronomical. My experience might differ from what you have seen but for the most part what i have seen is on par with what you will find on the web or hear from other guys that work/worked in IT. When I supported the Federal Air Marshals we had A FEW THOUSAND Western Digital Raptors. 90 percent (not an exaggeration) dead in under 3 years. and about 50 percent of the replacements dead in the first year after swap. It's all a gamble. The parts are mechanical. Design (both the drive design and the case it's put in), software\firmaware, heat, shipping and use all deliver different results. It's simply impossible to say "Seagate sux" with a straight face, if you are employing any level of intellectual honesty. |
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Wow always thought Seagate was a good brand, I have used Seagate SCSI Cheetahs for years never had a problem, switched to Fujitsu SAS drives in my last build had two of those fail in a one week period, now I just use SSDs. View Quote Seagate used to be one of the best. Then they merged with Maxtor and things went to shit. They moved production to China and started building cheaper, shittier drives than everyone else to lock in OEM contracts. |
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When I supported the Federal Air Marshals we had A FEW THOUSAND Western Digital Raptors. 90 percent (not an exaggeration) dead in under 3 years. and about 50 percent of the replacements dead in the first year after swap. It's all a gamble. The parts are mechanical. Design (both the drive design and the case it's put in), software\firmaware, heat, shipping and use all deliver different results. It's simply impossible to say "Seagate sux" with a straight face, if you are employing any level of intellectual honesty. View Quote Raptors have a short lifespan and WD is even up front about it. The speed was a trade off for the longevity. Please tell me you aren't basing your finding off from raptor drives |
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I have heard this stay away from seagate for years and ignored it for years.
The only drive i ever had fail was a WD 10 years ago or so in a raid 0 setup. The day the SEAGATE - BARRACUDA 1.5TB 7200RPM SERIAL ATA-300 came out i picked up 3 for gaming systems and all still work fine, I no longer do raid now that i have SSD's for boot drives. If you research it you will see a lot of trash talking saying the drive is crap well they still run years later and not a problem. Its luck of the draw you may get a good drive and you may get a crap drive no mater who makes it. |
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It seems like all the 2tb and above drives, especially 3, 4 and 5 have astronomical failure rates. completely unacceptable
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And who here doesn't have at least a few SAN/NAS arrays backing their shit up?
I'm running three arrays including a four disk Drobo, a pair of two disk NAS systems, and I just added a wireless NAS to the mix for the phones. |
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Actually the 4's seem to be better than the 3tb's for some reason. Little Pony just had a Seagate Caviar 1tb fail but it was about 5 years old and was one I gave him from a previous build.
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I have an array of 24 3T Seagate Constellation drives which are the enterprise rated drives. Zero failures but it's only about 6 months old at this point.
The drive manufactures make two types of drives - those for consumers and those for the enterprise where it's not uncommon for the drive to see 24 hour a day use. The enterprise drives are a bit more expensive but some times you actually get what you paid for! It pays to look into the purpose that each drive line is optimized for and buy the correct drive ... rather than buying what's cheapest! Sort of like putting BFG KM2 mud tires on your Corvette just because they fit doesn't mean it should be done. |
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And who here doesn't have at least a few SAN/NAS arrays backing their shit up? I'm running three arrays including a four disk Drobo, a pair of two disk NAS systems, and I just added a wireless NAS to the mix for the phones. View Quote My play desktop backs up once a week and my at home work laptop and desktop back up in real time ony any file change made. I have small two drive Lenova NAS at home that replicates with another small four drive NAS on my work desk. The transfer leaves my network with 256 AES encryption. |
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I thought we were talking about "What's in your computer?". I run mechanicals on my iSCSI SAN, but not on my laptop or PCs. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Mechanical drives. 120 TB worth of SSD storage Our current SAN is a hybrid with 3.5 TB worth of SSD, a second layer of 10K drives, and a third layer of 7200 drives. 500 GB SSD drives. |
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I'm running a Western Digital black HDD and a Samsung EVO SSD in mine and couldn't be happier.
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(Knock on wood) I've got old Maxtors, WD, Seagate and Fujitsu drives running still. Haven't had any fail.
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mother fucker. eta I only recognize the model number because I've been trying to figure out why this stupid HP PC only sees it as ~830 GB. View Quote You got problems, 2 of them. If the BIOS only shows it as 830 GB, then you need to upgrade the BIOS, as it's losing the 2TB due to "wraparound". Once you get the BIOS to see the full 2.8TB, you still can't install Windows on it directly. You need a partition < 2TB for your primary OS, and the Windows installer will only show the 830GB. Eventually, you give up, put in a SSD or 2TB drive for system, and the 3TB drive for Data (it is recognized once windows has been installed on a smaller partition). You'd think Microsoft would have updated their installer, but nope. |
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this. i don;t remember a time in the last 20 years where seagate wasn't know for high failure rates. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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that's why all my drives are western digital. Seagates have always been notorious for failures this. i don;t remember a time in the last 20 years where seagate wasn't know for high failure rates. I have also seen this, but it appears to have the opposite trend for USB/Removeable drives. The WD external USB drives I've used all died in about a year, while 3 Seagates are going on fine. They are subject to many more power cycles and abuse while unplugged, however. That may just be saying Seagate has a better head parking and shock system than WD, neither of which is relevant when installed into a system. |
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I haven't used them in almost ten years. Because they were JUST THAT FREAKING AWFUL when I did. We're talking batches with >50% failure rates in less than a year, and the replacements that Seagate would send were recertified, and had ~50% failure rate in the first three months. Now, some would last FOREVER. But the early failures in some batches were just unbelievable. Never had trouble like that with any other vendor, before or since. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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that's why all my drives are western digital. Seagates have always been notorious for failures Been a while since I worked the IT Security side of things (getting back into it next week), but I've been told by our techies to stay away from Seagate. Anybody else confirm this? I haven't used them in almost ten years. Because they were JUST THAT FREAKING AWFUL when I did. We're talking batches with >50% failure rates in less than a year, and the replacements that Seagate would send were recertified, and had ~50% failure rate in the first three months. Now, some would last FOREVER. But the early failures in some batches were just unbelievable. Never had trouble like that with any other vendor, before or since. You may not be old enough to remember Micropolis. Now there was a vendor with a shabby reliability record... 400,000 MTBF figure must be for a drive sitting on a climate controlled shelf, powered off. Hard drives are like light bulbs, either back them up or at least run in a RAID configuration, because they are going to fail sooner or later. |
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You got problems, 2 of them. If the BIOS only shows it as 830 GB, then you need to upgrade the BIOS, as it's losing the 2TB due to "wraparound". View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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mother fucker. eta I only recognize the model number because I've been trying to figure out why this stupid HP PC only sees it as ~830 GB. You got problems, 2 of them. If the BIOS only shows it as 830 GB, then you need to upgrade the BIOS, as it's losing the 2TB due to "wraparound". There's no BIOS update. Well, there may have been one but it looks like HP pulled it at some point. Every time I buy a complete computer I end up regretting it. Anyway, this Toshba HD is destined for a different computer now. |
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Quoted: You may not be old enough to remember Micropolis. Now there was a vendor with a shabby reliability record... 400,000 MTBF figure must be for a drive sitting on a climate controlled shelf, powered off. Hard drives are like light bulbs, either back them up or at least run in a RAID configuration, because they are going to fail sooner or later. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: that's why all my drives are western digital. Seagates have always been notorious for failures Been a while since I worked the IT Security side of things (getting back into it next week), but I've been told by our techies to stay away from Seagate. Anybody else confirm this? I haven't used them in almost ten years. Because they were JUST THAT FREAKING AWFUL when I did. We're talking batches with >50% failure rates in less than a year, and the replacements that Seagate would send were recertified, and had ~50% failure rate in the first three months. Now, some would last FOREVER. But the early failures in some batches were just unbelievable. Never had trouble like that with any other vendor, before or since. You may not be old enough to remember Micropolis. Now there was a vendor with a shabby reliability record... 400,000 MTBF figure must be for a drive sitting on a climate controlled shelf, powered off. Hard drives are like light bulbs, either back them up or at least run in a RAID configuration, because they are going to fail sooner or later. |
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Not to say there aren't differences between manufacturers, but the meaningful differentiators (Taiwan vs. China, etc.) have been obfuscated to the point that diligent research is necessary to uncover them. Brand names mean jack shit anymore. Not too many folks are going to go to the trouble for a $80 drive, and I include myself in that number.
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that's why all my drives are western digital. Seagates have always been notorious for failures This. Has Seagate - Crahsed Had Maxtor - Crashed Had Hitatchi - Crashed Using WD - No crash even with 8 year old 750GB VR. I'm expecting a 2GB WD black label drive back from warranty replacement today. I've had all those other brands fail too. I did have a bad rash of Maxtor failures 10-12 years ago.. but not sure what bearing that has on maxtor drives of today (are they even still in business?) Almost all drives crash, sooner or later. The odd drive will hang on longer than expected; however, the way storage capacities (and demands) increase, I'm not sure a 8 year old drive that still works is something to be that excited about. 750GB was a monster back in 2007! |
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I must be a lucky motherfucker. I have numerous computers that get used a lot and I have never had a hard drive fail. Never. Got my first computer in 1985 and have had at least one ever since. At a quick count right now I own over 20 hard drives that get used regularly.
I do backup regularly just in case but my experience has been that drives are pretty robust. We have a computer at work that up until a few months ago was absolutely critical to our operations and it has hard drives from the nineties in it. |
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Meh, all my important stuff is backed up online.
Though I did buy probably my first extended warranty ever on a new Seagate 3TB drive I picked up. 2 year manufacturer warrenty + 3 year $15 NewEgg extended warranty = covered till 2020 |
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Just put 4 new HGST 4tb in a NAS.
3 year warranty - thats what matters to me. All brands will have some failure, have multiple backups and its not a big deal. |
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that's why all my drives are western digital. Seagates have always been notorious for failures If you look at the NewEgg reviews on the WD Red drives that are supposed to be designed for constant running NAS drives, they have an amazingly high failure rate. When capacity goes above 2 TB, the failure rate increases even more. Their quality control has all but disappeared. I'm not one for civil suits, but I would not be against a class action suit for their claimed MTBF's. Their MTBF numbers are all BS. I've been running five Seagate 2TB NAS drives in my FreeNAS box constant for 6 months. Not even a hiccup, but 6 months is not even close to a valid useful lifespan of these drives. |
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I have 2 of those running in a RAID 1 array. They have been running for about a year with no issues. I'll have to check the manufacture date to see if they are outside that group mentioned.
The only drive (of mine) that has died on me in the past 4 years is a WD 500 GB drive. Go figure. |
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Been a while since I worked the IT Security side of things (getting back into it next week), but I've been told by our techies to stay away from Seagate. Anybody else confirm this? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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that's why all my drives are western digital. Seagates have always been notorious for failures Been a while since I worked the IT Security side of things (getting back into it next week), but I've been told by our techies to stay away from Seagate. Anybody else confirm this? That's been my experience over the years. Seagate = Fail. |
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I'm expecting a 2GB WD black label drive back from warranty replacement today. I've had all those other brands fail too. I did have a bad rash of Maxtor failures 10-12 years ago.. but not sure what bearing that has on maxtor drives of today (are they even still in business?) Almost all drives crash, sooner or later. The odd drive will hang on longer than expected; however, the way storage capacities (and demands) increase, I'm not sure a 8 year old drive that still works is something to be that excited about. 750GB was a monster back in 2007! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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that's why all my drives are western digital. Seagates have always been notorious for failures This. Has Seagate - Crahsed Had Maxtor - Crashed Had Hitatchi - Crashed Using WD - No crash even with 8 year old 750GB VR. I'm expecting a 2GB WD black label drive back from warranty replacement today. I've had all those other brands fail too. I did have a bad rash of Maxtor failures 10-12 years ago.. but not sure what bearing that has on maxtor drives of today (are they even still in business?) Almost all drives crash, sooner or later. The odd drive will hang on longer than expected; however, the way storage capacities (and demands) increase, I'm not sure a 8 year old drive that still works is something to be that excited about. 750GB was a monster back in 2007! There was a bad run of Maxtor drives back then. The 3.5" 30, 40 and 60 GB drives, especially the slim ones had insanely high failure rates. I still have a box full of dead 40GB Maxtor slim drives that I never got around to throwing out. I saved them in case I got bored enough to swap controller cards between them and see if I could resurrect a few. |
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I haven't used a Seagate HDD in maybe 10 years or so, WD all the way. As a matter of fact, I'm still using some WD Raptor X HDDs that I bought off of someone on here years ago, and they were used. |
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Seagates decimating of their warranties on consumer level drives has really made WD the only choice for desktop drives.
Not that thats a bad thing, their black series are solid. I would avoid the greens, never seen a failure rate so high when I worked in computer service. |
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And a monkey wrench... http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/6028/dispelling-backblaze-s-hdd-reliability-myth-the-real-story-covered/index.html View Quote Not sure that's really a monkey wrench. If the HGST 4TB drives only have a 1.4% failure rate in such a harsh environment, I'd say that's doing pretty damn good. |
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I have three 3TB Seagate drives. I'll check the firmware when I get home.
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We have replaced between 500 and 1000 of these drives. They were all bought at the same time and started failing last year. We've premptively replaced all of them that were purchased.
IMHO it is not a coincidence that these things are failing since their manufacturing location was changed due to the massive floods a couple years ago in SE Asia. |
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