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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:13:24 PM EDT
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Isn't this basically just a CZ-75 clone? Get a steel frame Witness in 10mm, write "Bren 10" on the side with a Sharpie. BAM! Done. 
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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:15:01 PM EDT
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Sounds like it's the "Duke Nukem Forever" of the gun world
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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:15:14 PM EDT
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SAO models too; I'm getting one. 
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Vltor needn't even bother anymore. http://whichgun.com/img/firearms/pistols/sig_sauer/p220_match_elite/1.jpg Super-want. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile SAO models too; I'm getting one.
http://www.gunsandammo.com/files/2015/01/P220_NitronElite_10mm.jpg
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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:18:30 PM EDT
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Sounds like it's the "Duke Nukem Forever" of the gun world If only Vltor would sell the rights to Kel Tec... THEN we'd see some movement on it! |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:32:34 PM EDT
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But Miami Vice is streaming on netflix NOW! Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If they can hold out a few more years, by the time they are ready, Crockett's clothes will be back in style. But Miami Vice is streaming on netflix NOW! Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Patience my young padawan...it will always be streaming on Netflix. |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:35:34 PM EDT
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VLTOR is a good company, and I wish them success.
That said, I don't understand why this is so important. |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:39:54 PM EDT
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GMTmaster willbe along shortly to remind everyone that he owns a bren and a rolex so that we can be suitable impressed by his somewhat ordinary possessions
a few years ago the excuse was that vltor was swamped with military contracts. The next year the excuse was that they needed to improve the design. Vltor is full of shit. If they wanted to sell brens they could have had them on the market years ago. Once they owned all the IP they could have had brens on shelves in 12 months. I wish they would just fuck off. |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:43:49 PM EDT
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Remember the Vltor Volks suppressor?
yeah, me neither.  |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:45:14 PM EDT
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Ares Defense: Amateurs. 
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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:50:10 PM EDT
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If only Vltor would sell the rights to Kel Tec... THEN we'd see some movement on it! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sounds like it's the "Duke Nukem Forever" of the gun world If only Vltor would sell the rights to Kel Tec... THEN we'd see some movement on it! Indeed we would; Ruger would be pumping them out by the thousands in short order. |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:52:29 PM EDT
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It's real to the Airsoft world. http://www.bren-ten.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/bren_10_l_f.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Make believe gun is make believe. It's real to the Airsoft world. http://www.bren-ten.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/bren_10_l_f.jpg So is the plasma rifle in the 40 watt range. 
Doesn't mean I'm going to carry one. 
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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:54:17 PM EDT
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Really hoped VLTOR would have pulled it off. Wanted a Bren Ten for a long time. A guy that would set at the Nashville gun shows quite some time ago had 2 consecutive numbered Bren Tens with 2 mags each in a case. I would ogle them each time he had them on display.
Maybe VLTOR will eventually pull it off. If they do, I will get one. But for now when the SIG comes out, I'll get one of those. |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:56:35 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/17/2015 12:59:39 PM EDT
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I forget, is this one of those deals.....that a bunch of people paid in advance for their pistols? Actually they did have something like that. My local bass pro shop was going to let people pre order them but you had to put up like $1300 or something like that. I asked if he was going to kiss me before he did that to me and he just hung up... |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 1:19:26 PM EDT
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VLTOR never did. Shady distributor jumped the gun (so to speak) by about 6 years. 
I'd still love to have one. Better they turn out a quality product than junk. Imagine the GD butthurt if VLTOR Bren Tens started grenading here and there or just plain didn't function. 
SIG will have a P220 in 10mm soon. I'll get a Bren Ten when it happens. It's a range/jack-off toy anyway.
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Posted: 1/17/2015 1:23:17 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/17/2015 1:51:46 PM EDT
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Friend has a Witness in 10MM. It is actually a pretty good pistol. He's got 8 magazines for it and bought a bunch of spare recoil springs.
I have fired it and it's not bad. He paid 450 for it over ten years ago I think. He calls it his "poor mans Bren Ten" He will never get rid of it. |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 1:56:17 PM EDT
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If only Vltor would sell the rights to Kel Tec... THEN we'd see some movement on it! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sounds like it's the "Duke Nukem Forever" of the gun world If only Vltor would sell the rights to Kel Tec... THEN we'd see some movement on it! I've read that occasionally someone will buy a Kel Tec, and then someone from Kel Tec will come and take it back. |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 1:57:03 PM EDT
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VLTOR never did. Shady distributor jumped the gun (so to speak) by about 6 years.
I'd still love to have one. Better they turn out a quality product than junk. Imagine the GD butthurt if VLTOR Bren Tens started grenading here and there or just plain didn't function.
SIG will have a P220 in 10mm soon. I'll get a Bren Ten when it happens. It's a range/jack-off toy anyway.
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VLTOR never did. Shady distributor jumped the gun (so to speak) by about 6 years.
I'd still love to have one. Better they turn out a quality product than junk. Imagine the GD butthurt if VLTOR Bren Tens started grenading here and there or just plain didn't function.
SIG will have a P220 in 10mm soon. I'll get a Bren Ten when it happens. It's a range/jack-off toy anyway.
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How many YEARS has it been now? Have they taken Pre-order money???? Ok that's what I thought..... So it isnt a Shrike deal where people have a couple of thousand dollars tied up waiting for years and years...... Vltor has to be able to justify the expense of tooling and production.. In reality how many are they going to sell?? Will it be enough to keep it affordable AND profitable? sometimes i think guys here forget that profit is necessary |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 1:57:07 PM EDT
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That damn company is such a joke.
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Posted: 1/17/2015 2:00:17 PM EDT
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Ares Defense: Amateurs. I thought of this, but I couldn't in good conscience make a joke about them since they delivered big time with the SCR. |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 2:05:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That signature  Seriously. Does he use a Spirograph to sign his name?!
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Posted: 1/17/2015 2:10:51 PM EDT
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I don't buy the excuse of "we need to make sure it works first". It's fuckin 80s tech, if a modern manufacturing company can't make a gun that they own the fucking blueprints for, maybe they shouldn't be in business.
I think they're just trying to hype it up so they can make a limited run in a few more years, and charge an ungodly amount for it. Whatever happened to their revolutionary suppressor? I'm less and less impressed with vltor as time goes on. |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 8:01:40 PM EDT
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VLTOR can choke on an entire bag of dicks. I hope they go bankrupt and their business burns to the ground. 
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Posted: 1/17/2015 8:31:14 PM EDT
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How many YEARS has it been now? Too many. I remember this 4 years ago on 10mm talk. |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 9:45:52 PM EDT
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Remember the Vltor Volks suppressor? yeah, me neither. Haha! Beat me to it! Was going to say maybe I could get a Volks suppressor to go with my Bren Ten. 
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Posted: 1/17/2015 10:27:18 PM EDT
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I followed it for a year or two or three. I can't believe they are still talking about it as if one day it's going to happen. I would have deleted the blog and website and pretended it was all a dream.
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Posted: 1/18/2015 9:57:02 PM EDT
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Can I buy one in .40 cal? |
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Posted: 1/20/2015 7:30:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I followed it for a year or two or three. I can't believe they are still talking about it as if one day it's going to happen. I would have deleted the blog and website and pretended it was all a dream. It would be that simple....but the doofuses that run that place obviously can't seem to think in any rational manner. Don't they realize that the longer they participate in this farce...the more it will hurt them??? I mean, I will not buy ANYTHING from Vltor specifically because of this issue. Think about it....if these guys carry on with this bizarre hoax/trolling event/whatever; what does that say about their mentality??? What does it say about their ethics??? These guys are DEFINITELY on my "do not trust" list. |
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Posted: 1/20/2015 7:37:52 PM EDT
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This isn't going well for them.
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Posted: 1/20/2015 7:48:14 PM EDT
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It's not like Tanfoglio doesn't make at least 6 models in 10mm as it is, most of them well below $1k. In most cases, their higher end guns are easier to find in 10mm than 9mm. I think these are 8 hundred something...
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Posted: 1/20/2015 7:51:45 PM EDT
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that's OK...Rock Island sounds better anyways....
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Posted: 1/20/2015 7:53:07 PM EDT
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That fucking gun is cursed
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Posted: 1/20/2015 7:55:37 PM EDT
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What is so hard about making addtional copies of a gun that already exists? We have 5 axis CNC machines, laser scanners, 3D metal printing, and CAD. We have companies literally printing out their own 1911s all the way down to the barrel and this company can't make a working copy of a handgun that was already developed, tested, and produced decades ago. This makes Vltor looks like a bunch of incompetents that can't figure out how to work a pair of digital calipers. Yeah, I don't get that either. Maybe their shop was more oriented to injection molding instead of actual machining. |
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Posted: 1/20/2015 7:57:22 PM EDT
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Remember when we used to sit by the fire, roasting marshmallows and talking about those whippersnappers from the UK on the Ed Sullivan show? Since then. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How many YEARS has it been now? Remember when we used to sit by the fire, roasting marshmallows and talking about those whippersnappers from the UK on the Ed Sullivan show? Since then. Longer than the Shrike |
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Posted: 1/20/2015 8:12:33 PM EDT
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No thanks. If I ever start feeling nostalgic about Sonny Crockett, I'll just go pick up a Smith & Wesson 645 or a 4506 like he used in the last 3 seasons of the show.
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Posted: 1/20/2015 8:24:47 PM EDT
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Vltor needn't even bother anymore. http://whichgun.com/img/firearms/pistols/sig_sauer/p220_match_elite/1.jpg I'll wait to see how the Sig 10mm fares. Given Sig's spotty quality on some of their other firearms, I'm not sure if I would want to be the first in line to buy one of their new firearms. Especially a 10mm. |
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Posted: 1/20/2015 8:42:03 PM EDT
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I'll wait to see how the Sig 10mm fares. Given Sig's spotty quality on some of their other firearms, I'm not sure if I would want to be the first in line to buy one of their new firearms. Especially a 10mm. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Vltor needn't even bother anymore. http://whichgun.com/img/firearms/pistols/sig_sauer/p220_match_elite/1.jpg I'll wait to see how the Sig 10mm fares. Given Sig's spotty quality on some of their other firearms, I'm not sure if I would want to be the first in line to buy one of their new firearms. Especially a 10mm. I sadly have to agree with this assessment. I will be anxiously awaiting new owner feedback before I'll drop a dime on one. |
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Posted: 1/20/2015 8:55:20 PM EDT
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This is what's been going through my mind too. Even if they couldn't/don't have the original design you should be able to get at a minimum two guns, one for non-destructive testing and one for destructive testing to take them apart, measure and model. Even if they don't have that NDI/DI measurement capabilities in house there's tons of places that would have reversed engineered the parts for them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What is so hard about making addtional copies of a gun that already exists? We have 5 axis CNC machines, laser scanners, 3D metal printing, and CAD. We have companies literally printing out their own 1911s all the way down to the barrel and this company can't make a working copy of a handgun that was already developed, tested, and produced decades ago. This makes Vltor looks like a bunch of incompetents that can't figure out how to work a pair of digital calipers. This is what's been going through my mind too. Even if they couldn't/don't have the original design you should be able to get at a minimum two guns, one for non-destructive testing and one for destructive testing to take them apart, measure and model. Even if they don't have that NDI/DI measurement capabilities in house there's tons of places that would have reversed engineered the parts for them. Quoted:
I don't buy the excuse of "we need to make sure it works first". It's fuckin 80s tech, if a modern manufacturing company can't make a gun that they own the fucking blueprints for, maybe they shouldn't be in business. I think they're just trying to hype it up so they can make a limited run in a few more years, and charge an ungodly amount for it. Whatever happened to their revolutionary suppressor? I'm less and less impressed with vltor as time goes on. My understanding was that the original gun had several issues and was unreliable. Is that not the case????? Copying a problematic gun can be very problematic. Just look at the R51 debacle. I never could warm up to glocks but maybe the new 40 will be the one that I actually keep. Always wanted to try one of the witness guns or the STI perfect 10. |
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Posted: 1/20/2015 8:57:45 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/20/2015 11:47:14 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/21/2015 12:11:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That fucking gun is cursed |
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Posted: 1/28/2015 5:27:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just like the Auto Mag. Thank GOD those morons didn't attempt that. That'd be like asking the Swahili to build you a nuclear power plant. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That fucking gun is cursed |
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Posted: 1/28/2015 5:32:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's not like Tanfoglio doesn't make at least 6 models in 10mm as it is, most of them well below $1k. In most cases, their higher end guns are easier to find in 10mm than 9mm. I think these are 8 hundred something...http://www.realguns.com/images/witnesslimitedpro10opn.jpg LOL still nobody would buy it. Well, probably about the same number of folks that would buy a $3K VLTOR
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Posted: 1/28/2015 5:34:09 PM EDT
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If Tanfoglio had half a brain at the helm they'd make one that looks just like a bren 10, figure out how to add the funky bushing and call it the Brenini Decimo. Rost.
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Posted: 1/28/2015 5:57:02 PM EDT
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I don't get it. With today's manufacturing technology, why is this so hard? |
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Posted: 1/28/2015 7:34:16 PM EDT
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I don't get it. With today's manufacturing technology, why is this so hard? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't get it. With today's manufacturing technology, why is this so hard? If the gun was flawed from the beginning sometimes it is impossible to get it to work without totally changing the gun. There is a reason people like Maxim and Browning are considered geniuses. It takes a lot of work to make these thing function reliably. Same reason you see companies like Glock stay close to the original. Don't want to mess up a good thing. |
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Posted: 1/28/2015 7:37:10 PM EDT
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By "redirecting resources towards sustainability" did he mean they were launching a belt fed AR upper product?
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Posted: 1/28/2015 7:43:41 PM EDT
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Fire up the way back machine for a Mini-14 and A-Team van! I still want a Bren Ten tho... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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3 minutes ago I knew zero about the Bren Ten. My google powers reveal to me that it was popular back in the day due in part to being carried on TV by Don Johnson. If we are going to do nostalgia guns now, can we please just do the gun from Heat so I can carry it in my Airwolf clone helicopter or my A-Team replica van?
Fire up the way back machine for a Mini-14 and A-Team van! I still want a Bren Ten tho... Can't help with the Mini-14, but here's the Vltor Mini A Team. Yeah, there're a few kinks, they're workin' on it. 
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I forget, is this one of those deals.....that a bunch of people paid in advance for their pistols? Actually they did have something like that. My local bass pro shop was going to let people pre order them but you had to put up like $1300 or something like that. I asked if he was going to kiss me before he did that to me and he just hung up... The one down in Birmingham would put you on a list but you didn't have to pony up. I imagine the list was finally folded in half and used as a coaster for a Mountain Dew since I haven't heard from them in years. |
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Posted: 1/28/2015 7:53:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did they take money from people??? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Shrike Shrike Shrike Shrike Shrike Shrike Did they take money from people??? |
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