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Posted: 1/18/2015 3:16:54 PM EDT
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No. The point of my comment was about passenger planes being mistaken for bombers. The likelihood of this happening would rise dramatically if a plane originally designed for passenger service were to be used to replace the B-52. KAL007 proves its irrelevant. violate airspace, die. regardless what can of airplane you are. b52s hanging at the ADIZ all day did fine. 747 crossing Kamchatka gets shots down, deliberately. utterly, totally and completely irrelevant. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 3:19:45 PM EDT
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A 100 year service life. That is amazing to consider. Has any military weapon ever seen frontline service for 100 years ? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just how long are those airframes going to last? There are some projections putting them at 100 year service lives. They're nearly 60% of the way there already... Has any military weapon ever seen frontline service for 100 years ? USS Constitution. 150 years of active service. 
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Posted: 1/18/2015 3:26:15 PM EDT
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No. The point of my comment was about passenger planes being mistaken for bombers. The likelihood of this happening would rise dramatically if a plane originally designed for passenger service were to be used to replace the B-52. You're assuming anyone we go to war with would care they shot down an airliner. Russia sure doesn't. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 3:34:09 PM EDT
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You're assuming anyone we go to war with would care they shot down an airliner. Russia sure doesn't. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No. The point of my comment was about passenger planes being mistaken for bombers. The likelihood of this happening would rise dramatically if a plane originally designed for passenger service were to be used to replace the B-52. You're assuming anyone we go to war with would care they shot down an airliner. Russia sure doesn't. True but why give them the justification? You turn one airliner into a bomber then they would be justified in considering all airliners as combatants. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 3:36:44 PM EDT
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USS Constitution. 150 years of active service. http://media.moddb.com/images/articles/1/36/35947/auto/uss_constitution_1.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just how long are those airframes going to last? There are some projections putting them at 100 year service lives. They're nearly 60% of the way there already... Has any military weapon ever seen frontline service for 100 years ? USS Constitution. 150 years of active service. http://media.moddb.com/images/articles/1/36/35947/auto/uss_constitution_1.jpg What was the last military campaign that the Constitution played a combat role? |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 3:37:51 PM EDT
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True but why give them the justification? You turn one airliner into a bomber then they would be justified in considering all airliners as combatants. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No. The point of my comment was about passenger planes being mistaken for bombers. The likelihood of this happening would rise dramatically if a plane originally designed for passenger service were to be used to replace the B-52. You're assuming anyone we go to war with would care they shot down an airliner. Russia sure doesn't. True but why give them the justification? You turn one airliner into a bomber then they would be justified in considering all airliners as combatants. every russian airliner was part of their AF. they want to shoot down civilian airliners, they will. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 3:38:29 PM EDT
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KAL007 proves its irrelevant. violate airspace, die. regardless what can of airplane you are. b52s hanging at the ADIZ all day did fine. 747 crossing Kamchatka gets shots down, deliberately. utterly, totally and completely irrelevant. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No. The point of my comment was about passenger planes being mistaken for bombers. The likelihood of this happening would rise dramatically if a plane originally designed for passenger service were to be used to replace the B-52. KAL007 proves its irrelevant. violate airspace, die. regardless what can of airplane you are. b52s hanging at the ADIZ all day did fine. 747 crossing Kamchatka gets shots down, deliberately. utterly, totally and completely irrelevant. Yup. You're either going to shoot at the radar return or go up and see what you've got. And unless the Air Force started painting bombers in United Airlines livery they would be easy to identify as military or civilian assets. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 3:39:54 PM EDT
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every russian airliner was part of their AF. they want to shoot down civilian airliners, they will. We transport service members to the AORs in contracted civilian airliners. The lawfulness of shooting at an airliner isn't always a bright line. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 4:15:40 PM EDT
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No more D models. The H doesn't have the big belly mod. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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108 JDAM's falling to earth No more D models. The H doesn't have the big belly mod. How many intact airframes and of what types are still sitting out in the boneyard? I know some got chopped up and melted but I thought there were still a bunch more mothballed. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 4:24:39 PM EDT
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How many intact airframes and of what types are still sitting out in the boneyard? I know some got chopped up and melted but I thought there were still a bunch more mothballed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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108 JDAM's falling to earth No more D models. The H doesn't have the big belly mod. How many intact airframes and of what types are still sitting out in the boneyard? I know some got chopped up and melted but I thought there were still a bunch more mothballed. Roughly zero. While the AMARC inventory shows 163 B-52s a quick look at Google Earth shows they are all chopped up. Heck, the B-52 that was at tech school when I was there had its vertical stab removed to show treaty compliance so it wasn't counted as an active airframe. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 4:31:59 PM EDT
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Would you want every passenger plane possibly being a target in a war? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Probably a dumb question but IF a replacement was needed, why couldn't a militarized 747/777 fulfill the role of the buff? Would you want every passenger plane possibly being a target in a war? Wouldn't an E-4 be a military target already? |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 4:35:44 PM EDT
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Wouldn't an E-4 be a military target already? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Probably a dumb question but IF a replacement was needed, why couldn't a militarized 747/777 fulfill the role of the buff? Would you want every passenger plane possibly being a target in a war? Wouldn't an E-4 be a military target already? they all are in war. its an invalid point. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 5:27:33 PM EDT
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USS Constitution. 150 years of active service. http://media.moddb.com/images/articles/1/36/35947/auto/uss_constitution_1.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 1/18/2015 5:36:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A 100 year service life. That is amazing to consider. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Just how long are those airframes going to last? There are some projections putting them at 100 year service lives. They're nearly 60% of the way there already... That is amazing to consider. Has any military weapon ever seen frontline service for 100 years ? |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 6:17:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah and only about 15% of it is original, part of that is supposedly the keel, and she is by no means Seaworthy. How much of Constitution is original? The Naval History and Heritage Command Detachment Boston, the unit charged with overseeing Constitution’s maintenance and repair, estimates that 10 to 15 percent of the ship’s fabric is composed of timber installed between 1795 and 1797. This "original” wood includes the ship’s keel, lower futtocks, and the deadwood at the stem and stern. USS Constitution Museum website. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Just how long are those airframes going to last? There are some projections putting them at 100 year service lives. They're nearly 60% of the way there already... Has any military weapon ever seen frontline service for 100 years ? USS Constitution. 150 years of active service. http://media.moddb.com/images/articles/1/36/35947/auto/uss_constitution_1.jpg Yeah and only about 15% of it is original, part of that is supposedly the keel, and she is by no means Seaworthy. How much of Constitution is original? The Naval History and Heritage Command Detachment Boston, the unit charged with overseeing Constitution’s maintenance and repair, estimates that 10 to 15 percent of the ship’s fabric is composed of timber installed between 1795 and 1797. This "original” wood includes the ship’s keel, lower futtocks, and the deadwood at the stem and stern. USS Constitution Museum website. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 7:32:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryYeah and only about 15% of it is original, part of that is supposedly the keel, and she is by no means Seaworthy.
How much of Constitution is original? The Naval History and Heritage Command Detachment Boston, the unit charged with overseeing Constitution’s maintenance and repair, estimates that 10 to 15 percent of the ship’s fabric is composed of timber installed between 1795 and 1797. This "original” wood includes the ship’s keel, lower futtocks, and the deadwood at the stem and stern. USS Constitution Museum website. Quote HistoryYeah and only about 15% of it is original, part of that is supposedly the keel, and she is by no means Seaworthy.
How much of Constitution is original? The Naval History and Heritage Command Detachment Boston, the unit charged with overseeing Constitution’s maintenance and repair, estimates that 10 to 15 percent of the ship’s fabric is composed of timber installed between 1795 and 1797. This "original” wood includes the ship’s keel, lower futtocks, and the deadwood at the stem and stern. USS Constitution Museum website. Interesting trivia - IIRC, they use a type of White Oak that grows at Crane Naval Weapons Station to replace rotted hull pieces. that type of oak most closely mimics the original ash(?) that is almost extinct on the eastern searboard. Something like that. Live Oak, the same Oak that the British Navy coveted and exported from the colonies before the Revolution. It is especially well suited for keels because it grows very long branches with long gradual sweeps that were interagated into bows of ships. Live Oak was also quite useful for the heeling ribs used to control the hogging of the bow and stern. Pine was used for the masts. Primary materials used in her construction consisted of pine and oak, including southern live oak, which was cut and milled near St. Simons, Georgia. Constitution?'?s hull was built 21 inches (530 mm) thick and her length between perpendiculars was 175 ft (53 m), with a 204 ft (62 m) length overall and a width of 43 ft 6 in (13.26 m). In total, 60 acres (24 ha) of trees were needed for her construction.Paul Revere forged the copper bolts and breasthooks. The copper sheathing, installed to prevent shipworm, was imported from England. Per Wiki |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 8:09:57 PM EDT
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Just how long are those airframes going to last? There are some projections putting them at 100 year service lives. They're nearly 60% of the way there already... Has any military weapon ever seen frontline service for 100 years ? USS Constitution. 150 years of active service. http://media.moddb.com/images/articles/1/36/35947/auto/uss_constitution_1.jpg What was the last military campaign that the Constitution played a combat role? From revolutionary war to the civil war. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 8:30:20 PM EDT
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Yeah and only about 15% of it is original, part of that is supposedly the keel, and she is by no means Seaworthy. ..... [/span] Quote HistoryQuoted:
Yeah and only about 15% of it is original, part of that is supposedly the keel, and she is by no means Seaworthy. ..... [/span] Que?! http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=83938 Constitution set out into the harbor for her fifth and final underway of 2014 at 10 a.m. with more than 600 guests in attendance aboard America's 'Ship of State.'
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Posted: 1/18/2015 8:40:03 PM EDT
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A 100 year service life. That is amazing to consider. Has any military weapon ever seen frontline service for 100 years ? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 1/18/2015 8:41:28 PM EDT
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Just how long are those airframes going to last? There are some projections putting them at 100 year service lives. They're nearly 60% of the way there already... Has any military weapon ever seen frontline service for 100 years ? http://www.gunsandammo.com/files/2014/02/colt_m45a1_cqbp_marine_pistol_F.jpg Good comparison to the Constitution A museum piece we don't use in war but spend a fortune on so people can feel patriotic. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 8:46:26 PM EDT
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Good comparison to the Constitution A museum piece we don't use in war but spend a fortune on so people can feel patriotic. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just how long are those airframes going to last? There are some projections putting them at 100 year service lives. They're nearly 60% of the way there already... Has any military weapon ever seen frontline service for 100 years ? http://www.gunsandammo.com/files/2014/02/colt_m45a1_cqbp_marine_pistol_F.jpg Good comparison to the Constitution A museum piece we don't use in war but spend a fortune on so people can feel patriotic. don't use in war? it's been in every campaign |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 8:51:24 PM EDT
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don't use in war? it's been in every campaign of course. MARSOC carries nothing but. And delta doesn't carry glocks. 
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Posted: 1/18/2015 8:54:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I watched a show on discovery or some other channel about those, the multiple round simultaneous impact fires from a single gun was kick ass. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Paladin PIM is meaningless with a 39 caliber tube. I would have bought the PzH2000, but I was not consulted. I watched a show on discovery or some other channel about those, the multiple round simultaneous impact fires from a single gun was kick ass.  And, long live the Buff!
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Posted: 1/18/2015 8:58:51 PM EDT
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still I am amazed that DC3s and Buffs are still flying today. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just how long are those airframes going to last? Non fighter airframes have a much longer life down than the smaller agile stuff. I goes on a C5 last year that was built in. 1969. Worked fine. still I am amazed that DC3s and Buffs are still flying today. There's a DC3 we see taking off every day from the local airport. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 9:00:58 PM EDT
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It's crazy how long that thing is serving and how long they're predicting it to still be a in service.
It would be like if American units, today, were still running with around with 1903s.
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Posted: 1/18/2015 9:13:32 PM EDT
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Yeah and only about 15% of it is original, part of that is supposedly the keel, and she is by no means Seaworthy. ..... [/span] Que?! http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=83938 Constitution set out into the harbor for her fifth and final underway of 2014 at 10 a.m. with more than 600 guests in attendance aboard America's 'Ship of State.'
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:40:39 PM EDT
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Yeah and only about 15% of it is original, part of that is supposedly the keel, and she is by no means Seaworthy. ..... [/span] Que?! http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=83938 Constitution set out into the harbor for her fifth and final underway of 2014 at 10 a.m. with more than 600 guests in attendance aboard America's 'Ship of State.'
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:41:57 PM EDT
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Good comparison to the Constitution A museum piece we don't use in war but spend a fortune on so people can feel patriotic. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just how long are those airframes going to last? There are some projections putting them at 100 year service lives. They're nearly 60% of the way there already... Has any military weapon ever seen frontline service for 100 years ? http://www.gunsandammo.com/files/2014/02/colt_m45a1_cqbp_marine_pistol_F.jpg Good comparison to the Constitution A museum piece we don't use in war but spend a fortune on so people can feel patriotic. 
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:47:52 PM EDT
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I don't think you know what Seaworthy is, a trip around the harbor in order to expose the other side of the ship to the weather (something they do every year or every other year to make sure it weathers appropriately) is not a naval cruise in a myriad of weather types. I think the last time it was in the open water was sometime in the sixties and it was towed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yeah and only about 15% of it is original, part of that is supposedly the keel, and she is by no means Seaworthy. ..... [/span] Que?! http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=83938 Constitution set out into the harbor for her fifth and final underway of 2014 at 10 a.m. with more than 600 guests in attendance aboard America's 'Ship of State.'
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Posted: 1/18/2015 11:09:52 PM EDT
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Good comparison to the Constitution A museum piece we don't use in war but spend a fortune on so people can feel patriotic. don't use in war? it's been in every campaign Hell, we all know that the 1911 is an ineffective museum piece. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 11:10:14 PM EDT
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I don't think you know what Seaworthy is, a trip around the harbor in order to expose the other side of the ship to the weather (something they do every year or every other year to make sure it weathers appropriately) is not a naval cruise in a myriad of weather types. I think the last time it was in the open water was sometime in the sixties and it was towed. 
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Posted: 1/18/2015 11:26:59 PM EDT
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USS Constitution last got underway under sail in open water in August 2012. She also did so in 1997 on her 200th anniversary. The picture in my avatar is from 1997. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yeah and only about 15% of it is original, part of that is supposedly the keel, and she is by no means Seaworthy. ..... [/span] Que?! http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=83938 Constitution set out into the harbor for her fifth and final underway of 2014 at 10 a.m. with more than 600 guests in attendance aboard America's 'Ship of State.'
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Posted: 1/18/2015 11:36:09 PM EDT
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The BUFF is a work of art....
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Posted: 1/19/2015 12:00:39 AM EDT
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My mistake, but a does a cruise to Marblehead and back the next day prove seaworthiness? What are you trying to argue? That it probably isn't going to go up against a DDG in a sea battle and win? If so, you're probably correct. Otherwise, I suspect you don't know the meaning of the word. Yes, it's seaworthy. It's also the oldest ship in commission, we're obviously going to be very careful with it. |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 12:14:50 AM EDT
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What are you trying to argue? That it probably isn't going to go up against a DDG in a sea battle and win? If so, you're probably correct. Otherwise, I suspect you don't know the meaning of the word. Yes, it's seaworthy. It's also the oldest ship in commission, we're obviously going to be very careful with it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My mistake, but a does a cruise to Marblehead and back the next day prove seaworthiness? What are you trying to argue? That it probably isn't going to go up against a DDG in a sea battle and win? If so, you're probably correct. Otherwise, I suspect you don't know the meaning of the word. Yes, it's seaworthy. It's also the oldest ship in commission, we're obviously going to be very careful with it. I wish they'd allocate a bit of the budget to keep the USS Missouri fit and functional. It'd be pretty badass if Mighty Mo and Old Ironsides could sail together, perhaps at the nations tricentennial (I hope). |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 12:17:51 AM EDT
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Yup. You're either going to shoot at the radar return or go up and see what you've got. And unless the Air Force started painting bombers in United Airlines livery they would be easy to identify as military or civilian assets. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No. The point of my comment was about passenger planes being mistaken for bombers. The likelihood of this happening would rise dramatically if a plane originally designed for passenger service were to be used to replace the B-52. KAL007 proves its irrelevant. violate airspace, die. regardless what can of airplane you are. b52s hanging at the ADIZ all day did fine. 747 crossing Kamchatka gets shots down, deliberately. utterly, totally and completely irrelevant. Yup. You're either going to shoot at the radar return or go up and see what you've got. And unless the Air Force started painting bombers in United Airlines livery they would be easy to identify as military or civilian assets. I thought the Russians did send up fighters to get a visual on KAL007, and shot it down anyway? Am I thinking of a different one? (Strait of Hormuz was a SAM to passenger jet, or did I switch them around?) |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 12:18:50 AM EDT
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I thought I read once that the 747 was originally intended as a passenger carrier, rather it was thought that it would make a very good transport plane. The thought was that standard passenger jets would be obsolete due to their being replaced by SSTs. Basically. There's a good explanation in How the 747 Got Its Hump. Very cool article! I didn't realize the F-117 and F-22 similarity until looking at front views after reading that. 
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Posted: 1/19/2015 12:56:30 AM EDT
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Very cool article! I didn't realize the F-117 and F-22 similarity until looking at front views after reading that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I thought I read once that the 747 was originally intended as a passenger carrier, rather it was thought that it would make a very good transport plane. The thought was that standard passenger jets would be obsolete due to their being replaced by SSTs. Basically. There's a good explanation in How the 747 Got Its Hump. Very cool article! I didn't realize the F-117 and F-22 similarity until looking at front views after reading that. Agreed. Thanks for the article - great read |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 1:00:33 AM EDT
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I would argue that the Constitution is preservation of military history and heritage, and the museum piece in the picture should be also, though neither should be engaging in battles anymore. I was not suggesting that she could engage in battle today but to point out that she provide 150 years of active service, to compare to the b52 lifespan. 100 years of service is not unprecedented. |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 1:16:19 AM EDT
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Yeah and only about 15% of it is original, part of that is supposedly the keel, and she is by no means Seaworthy. How much of Constitution is original? The Naval History and Heritage Command Detachment Boston, the unit charged with overseeing Constitution’s maintenance and repair, estimates that 10 to 15 percent of the ship’s fabric is composed of timber installed between 1795 and 1797. This “original” wood includes the ship’s keel, lower futtocks, and the deadwood at the stem and stern. USS Constitution Museum website. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I thought I read once that the 747 was originally intended as a passenger carrier, rather it was thought that it would make a very good transport plane. The thought was that standard passenger jets would be obsolete due to their being replaced by SSTs. Basically. There's a good explanation in How the 747 Got Its Hump. Very cool article! I didn't realize the F-117 and F-22 similarity until looking at front views after reading that. Agreed. Thanks for the article - great read +3 Really enjoyed it. |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 9:40:15 AM EDT
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My mistake, but a does a cruise to Marblehead and back the next day prove seaworthiness? What are you trying to argue? That it probably isn't going to go up against a DDG in a sea battle and win? If so, you're probably correct. Otherwise, I suspect you don't know the meaning of the word. Yes, it's seaworthy. It's also the oldest ship in commission, we're obviously going to be very careful with it. I wish they'd allocate a bit of the budget to keep the USS Missouri fit and functional. It'd be pretty badass if Mighty Mo and Old Ironsides could sail together, perhaps at the nations tricentennial (I hope). It would be kind of cool. Way too expensive though. |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 9:51:12 PM EDT
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My mistake, but a does a cruise to Marblehead and back the next day prove seaworthiness? What are you trying to argue? That it probably isn't going to go up against a DDG in a sea battle and win? If so, you're probably correct. Otherwise, I suspect you don't know the meaning of the word. Yes, it's seaworthy. It's also the oldest ship in commission, we're obviously going to be very careful with it. I wish they'd allocate a bit of the budget to keep the USS Missouri fit and functional. It'd be pretty badass if Mighty Mo and Old Ironsides could sail together, perhaps at the nations tricentennial (I hope). It would be kind of cool. Way too expensive though. Well, if you could only pick one steel warship to keep fully intact for the next century's America to have a piece of living history for the 20th century Navy, BB-63 is definitely a front runner. |
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Posted: 1/20/2015 10:12:12 AM EDT
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My mistake, but a does a cruise to Marblehead and back the next day prove seaworthiness? What are you trying to argue? That it probably isn't going to go up against a DDG in a sea battle and win? If so, you're probably correct. Otherwise, I suspect you don't know the meaning of the word. Yes, it's seaworthy. It's also the oldest ship in commission, we're obviously going to be very careful with it. I wish they'd allocate a bit of the budget to keep the USS Missouri fit and functional. It'd be pretty badass if Mighty Mo and Old Ironsides could sail together, perhaps at the nations tricentennial (I hope). It would be kind of cool. Way too expensive though. Well, if you could only pick one steel warship to keep fully intact for the next century's America to have a piece of living history for the 20th century Navy, BB-63 is definitely a front runner. Quite honestly, I'd spend the money keeping the Olympia afloat rather than keeping a relic functioning for no real reason. But that's just me. |
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