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Posted: 4/10/2015 12:00:10 AM EDT
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Because I'm still in college and working part time.
 Hopefully I graduate next month, get a full time job this summer and start saving some coin for a house and then start buying some more toys. |
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Posted: 4/10/2015 12:08:43 AM EDT
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Because I now owe the goddamn hospital $39,000
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Posted: 4/10/2015 12:11:08 AM EDT
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Couldn't decide on wether I wanted binoculars or monocular. But I finally got off my arse and picked up a used monocular to see how I like NV v. my roommates thermal scope.
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Posted: 4/10/2015 12:14:45 AM EDT
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Cant shoot a couple of SBRs at the same time, can shoot one SBR with NV. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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After a couple of more SBr's & a MPX I'm jumping in NV and IR feet first. Cant shoot a couple of SBRs at the same time, can shoot one SBR with NV. lol you're a trip. |
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Posted: 4/10/2015 12:20:19 AM EDT
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Gen 1 for the win....  Well i guess i technically own night vision now, just ordered a thor 336 1.5x and they gave me some gen one monical scope thing with it. |
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Posted: 4/10/2015 12:21:40 AM EDT
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Why I don't? Because I'm indoor at night and don't want to fight at night. Daylight is for fighting. Nighttime is for sleeping (and other nocturnal activities). Like dying? |
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Posted: 4/10/2015 12:23:22 AM EDT
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Because I now owe the goddamn hospital $39,000 What's another $5k. See if you can get the hospital to run it through their account. 
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Posted: 4/10/2015 9:03:05 AM EDT
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Why I don't? Because I'm indoor at night and don't want to fight at night. Daylight is for fighting. Nighttime is for sleeping (and other nocturnal activities). Like dying? nah man he said he doesn't want to fight at night, surely others will respect his wishes in this regard 
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Posted: 4/10/2015 10:13:36 AM EDT
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Just waiting on the dealer to build my mod3 up and I'll be green eyed.
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Posted: 4/10/2015 10:17:27 AM EDT
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Saving for my mod 3 gain now Setup on the left was 800$ Setup on the right was 2500 or so |
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Posted: 4/19/2015 11:33:50 AM EDT
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The setup costs 2500 for the tube as well or just the helmet?
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Posted: 4/19/2015 11:37:15 AM EDT
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Building a Monocular is probably the most economical route, but my problem is that to trust my life on something I need to know it's top notch and for me that comfort level will probably only be achieved by buying a factory one.
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Posted: 4/20/2015 12:28:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Building a Monocular is probably the most economical route, but my problem is that to trust my life on something I need to know it's top notch and for me that comfort level will probably only be achieved by buying a factory one. eh its all the same |
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Posted: 4/24/2015 9:52:52 PM EDT
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Finally got my wife to give me back ny Thor 336 1.5x and the free gen 1 night vision monical that came with it.
Gen 1+ is worse than the night vision we had in the army back in 1983 its nothing more than a toy. The Thor 336 is working out better than i expected other than my wife ripping it off every chance she gets now she wants one for her self. So far she has discovered we need more insulation in the house and where every animal in a 3 block area lives. Im glad i finally broke down and spent the $ for night vision. 
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Posted: 4/24/2015 10:11:47 PM EDT
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they can be had for much less, like say, here http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_7_172/1310524_Sale_PVS_14A_s__ITT.html Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Spoiled? Probably. But not spoiled enough to believe that a PVS 14 is worth $3000 they can be had for much less, like say, here http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_7_172/1310524_Sale_PVS_14A_s__ITT.html FYI I followed your advice... Trying to be patient awaiting this package. |
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Posted: 4/24/2015 11:49:11 PM EDT
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Were they "angled hits"? I know you get some protection from rifle strikes, but my understanding is that straight on shots will punch through. Glad they had them on and survived the hits. Those helmets would have a spot on the wall if they were mine. That would make a pretty awesome wallhanger. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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 Seriously? God forbid someone cut kevlar, it just comes off the factory in it's natural form like a helmet or in the shape of a vest. It's this magical material that as soon as it gets bumped it just quits working. Multiple rounds hitting it? Nah bro it's only good for one, won't work again. THIS VOODOO IS TOO MUCH FOR ME.
It does come out of the mold in it's natural form. It's strips of kevlar layered in resin, and cutting it will make it not work so good. If you don't care about stopping bullets you should just buy a bump helmet. How much of it is compromised when you cut it? Most of the guys I know that have cut one have done it for weight savings. Those fuckers are heavy. It's nice to drop a little weight and still have some protection. People should also realize what they are being protected against. This isn't all that great of protection. It's better than a bike helmet, but not by much. I have friends who were saved by their ACH when hit in the head with PK and AK rounds. Were they "angled hits"? I know you get some protection from rifle strikes, but my understanding is that straight on shots will punch through. Glad they had them on and survived the hits. Those helmets would have a spot on the wall if they were mine. That would make a pretty awesome wallhanger. I have no idea what angle they came from. It's a round helmet, kind of hard to get a hit at a flat spot. I've never seen anything other than contact distance rifle rounds penetrate an ACH. |
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Posted: 4/24/2015 11:50:54 PM EDT
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I already have electronic devices that allow me to see in the dark.
 Whenever I eventually finish college, pay down debt and get squared away, a gen 3 PVS 14 is on the agenda assuming I'm still single (a reasonable assumption).  |
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Posted: 4/25/2015 1:19:17 AM EDT
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I already have electronic devices that allow me to see in the dark. http://cdn.surefire.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/6/P/6PX-Tactical.png Whenever I eventually finish college, pay down debt and get squared away, a gen 3 PVS 14 is on the agenda assuming I'm still single (a reasonable assumption).
Changing very small portions of night into day isn't the same as seeing in the dark. |
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Posted: 4/25/2015 7:52:11 AM EDT
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The wait is unbearable
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Posted: 4/25/2015 10:44:37 AM EDT
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FYI I followed your advice... Trying to be patient awaiting this package. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Spoiled? Probably. But not spoiled enough to believe that a PVS 14 is worth $3000 they can be had for much less, like say, here http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_7_172/1310524_Sale_PVS_14A_s__ITT.html FYI I followed your advice... Trying to be patient awaiting this package. good to hear on the ACH thing: their ballistic protection is pretty excellent, and I wouldn't advocate compromising it that said, it is my understanding that they can indeed be cut if sealed properly at the edges - never done it and don't know the procedure though |
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Posted: 4/25/2015 7:51:34 PM EDT
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If you cut kevlar it loses its soul and it no longer affords spiritual protection from the kevlar totems. As suggested earlier you must only cut it with a kosher knife blessed by the Aramid Priest of the Highest Order. This is why everyone knows to treat Keval with white gloves. If pierced even in the slightest it angers the spirits and causes a total loss of protection. You have been warned.
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Posted: 4/26/2015 3:28:16 AM EDT
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Serious question, help a newb.
What is the deal with pvs7 vs pvs14? I hear just about everyone in this thread saying to run the pvs14 monocular. Why did they come up with the pvs7 binocular if it throws off depth perception so much? What is the performance advantage of a pair of pvs14s mounted as binos vs a single pvs7? Consider all the same generation 3 tube/ technology for the above questions. Just trying to figure this out before I commit. My nighttime use would be 90% observation and walking about the farm, and 5% shooting things with a suppressed SBR and aimpoint, the other 5% would be hiding the receipt from the wife. Thanks |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 4:11:23 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/26/2015 4:29:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Serious question, help a newb. What is the deal with pvs7 vs pvs14? I hear just about everyone in this thread saying to run the pvs14 monocular. Why did they come up with the pvs7 binocular if it throws off depth perception so much? What is the performance advantage of a pair of pvs14s mounted as binos vs a single pvs7? Consider all the same generation 3 tube/ technology for the above questions. Just trying to figure this out before I commit. My nighttime use would be 90% observation and walking about the farm, and 5% shooting things with a suppressed SBR and aimpoint, the other 5% would be hiding the receipt from the wife. Thanks youd like the 14. Eta because a 14 is twice a high number as 7. So u r gtg |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 4:33:24 AM EDT
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Serious question, help a newb. What is the deal with pvs7 vs pvs14? I hear just about everyone in this thread saying to run the pvs14 monocular. Why did they come up with the pvs7 binocular if it throws off depth perception so much? What is the performance advantage of a pair of pvs14s mounted as binos vs a single pvs7? Consider all the same generation 3 tube/ technology for the above questions. Just trying to figure this out before I commit. My nighttime use would be 90% observation and walking about the farm, and 5% shooting things with a suppressed SBR and aimpoint, the other 5% would be hiding the receipt from the wife. Thanks A PVS-14 makes one of your eyes dark adapted and one light adapted, so if the tube goes out/batteries die/whatever, you have one dark adapted eye that still works. PVS-7 is like looking through a cyclopean toilet paper tube that transmits the same, centered, image to both eyes. Neither eye is dark adapted, but I really don't see the need. The other thing is autogating, you only get that option on newer PVS-14 units, but unless you are clearing a house and someone turns on the lights, or you are a tard who uses it during the day without an objective lens cap, so again I don't see the need. I bought a PVS-7 because it was a dirt cheap way to get gen 3 NV. If it goes out on me when I need it, well that's what my rifle has a KM2 Vampire on it for, I'd just switch to white light. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 8:34:52 AM EDT
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A PVS-14 makes one of your eyes dark adapted and one light adapted, so if the tube goes out/batteries die/whatever, you have one dark adapted eye that still works. PVS-7 is like looking through a cyclopean toilet paper tube that transmits the same, centered, image to both eyes. Neither eye is dark adapted, but I really don't see the need. The other thing is autogating, you only get that option on newer PVS-14 units, but unless you are clearing a house and someone turns on the lights, or you are a tard who uses it during the day without an objective lens cap, so again I don't see the need. I bought a PVS-7 because it was a dirt cheap way to get gen 3 NV. If it goes out on me when I need it, well that's what my rifle has a KM2 Vampire on it for, I'd just switch to white light. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Serious question, help a newb. What is the deal with pvs7 vs pvs14? I hear just about everyone in this thread saying to run the pvs14 monocular. Why did they come up with the pvs7 binocular if it throws off depth perception so much? What is the performance advantage of a pair of pvs14s mounted as binos vs a single pvs7? Consider all the same generation 3 tube/ technology for the above questions. Just trying to figure this out before I commit. My nighttime use would be 90% observation and walking about the farm, and 5% shooting things with a suppressed SBR and aimpoint, the other 5% would be hiding the receipt from the wife. Thanks A PVS-14 makes one of your eyes dark adapted and one light adapted, so if the tube goes out/batteries die/whatever, you have one dark adapted eye that still works. PVS-7 is like looking through a cyclopean toilet paper tube that transmits the same, centered, image to both eyes. Neither eye is dark adapted, but I really don't see the need. The other thing is autogating, you only get that option on newer PVS-14 units, but unless you are clearing a house and someone turns on the lights, or you are a tard who uses it during the day without an objective lens cap, so again I don't see the need. I bought a PVS-7 because it was a dirt cheap way to get gen 3 NV. If it goes out on me when I need it, well that's what my rifle has a KM2 Vampire on it for, I'd just switch to white light. Thanks for the reply; I understand the reasons every one has for the single monocular. However, can anyone answer these questions: Why did they come up with the pvs7 binocular if it throws off depth perception so much? I see comments that some people like the pvs7 vs the monocular, but no explanation why? What is the performance advantage of a pair of pvs14s mounted as binos vs a single pvs7? I see pictures of such setups, why not run a pvs 7 or an avs/avis setup instead? All units the same performance tube for discussion above. Thanks! |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 9:31:35 AM EDT
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a pvs 7 is one objective lens + one intensifier tube - you're just looking it the (exact same) image with both eyes
binos or anvis goggles are 2 objective lenses and 2 intensifier tubes with binos your second eye is actually providing additional useful information to the brain, with a pvs 7 its completely redundant |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 9:36:37 AM EDT
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A PVS-14 makes one of your eyes dark adapted and one light adapted, so if the tube goes out/batteries die/whatever, you have one dark adapted eye that still works. PVS-7 is like looking through a cyclopean toilet paper tube that transmits the same, centered, image to both eyes. Neither eye is dark adapted, but I really don't see the need. The other thing is autogating, you only get that option on newer PVS-14 units, but unless you are clearing a house and someone turns on the lights, or you are a tard who uses it during the day without an objective lens cap, so again I don't see the need. I bought a PVS-7 because it was a dirt cheap way to get gen 3 NV. If it goes out on me when I need it, well that's what my rifle has a KM2 Vampire on it for, I'd just switch to white light. You can get a very nice PVS 7 with top shelf specs and autogating etc. The PVS 7 vs PVS 14 thing is personal choice, I went with the PVS 7 because the price was right. I'd rather have a PVS 14 but PVS 7 works just fine. They really are pretty good. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 9:48:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks for the reply; I understand the reasons every one has for the single monocular. However, can anyone answer these questions: Why did they come up with the pvs7 binocular if it throws off depth perception so much? I see comments that some people like the pvs7 vs the monocular, but no explanation why? What is the performance advantage of a pair of pvs14s mounted as binos vs a single pvs7? I see pictures of such setups, why not run a pvs 7 or an avs/avis setup instead? All units the same performance tube for discussion above. Thanks! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Serious question, help a newb. What is the deal with pvs7 vs pvs14? I hear just about everyone in this thread saying to run the pvs14 monocular. Why did they come up with the pvs7 binocular if it throws off depth perception so much? What is the performance advantage of a pair of pvs14s mounted as binos vs a single pvs7? Consider all the same generation 3 tube/ technology for the above questions. Just trying to figure this out before I commit. My nighttime use would be 90% observation and walking about the farm, and 5% shooting things with a suppressed SBR and aimpoint, the other 5% would be hiding the receipt from the wife. Thanks A PVS-14 makes one of your eyes dark adapted and one light adapted, so if the tube goes out/batteries die/whatever, you have one dark adapted eye that still works. PVS-7 is like looking through a cyclopean toilet paper tube that transmits the same, centered, image to both eyes. Neither eye is dark adapted, but I really don't see the need. The other thing is autogating, you only get that option on newer PVS-14 units, but unless you are clearing a house and someone turns on the lights, or you are a tard who uses it during the day without an objective lens cap, so again I don't see the need. I bought a PVS-7 because it was a dirt cheap way to get gen 3 NV. If it goes out on me when I need it, well that's what my rifle has a KM2 Vampire on it for, I'd just switch to white light. Thanks for the reply; I understand the reasons every one has for the single monocular. However, can anyone answer these questions: Why did they come up with the pvs7 binocular if it throws off depth perception so much? I see comments that some people like the pvs7 vs the monocular, but no explanation why? What is the performance advantage of a pair of pvs14s mounted as binos vs a single pvs7? I see pictures of such setups, why not run a pvs 7 or an avs/avis setup instead? All units the same performance tube for discussion above. Thanks!  |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 9:56:33 AM EDT
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I have no idea what angle they came from. It's a round helmet, kind of hard to get a hit at a flat spot. I've never seen anything other than contact distance rifle rounds penetrate an ACH. http://youtu.be/BbCK2Tb_i30 [youtube]http://youtu.be/BbCK2Tb_i30[/youtube] |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 10:36:45 AM EDT
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a pvs 7 is one objective lens + one intensifier tube - you're just looking it the (exact same) image with both eyes binos or anvis goggles are 2 objective lenses and 2 intensifier tubes with binos your second eye is actually providing additional useful information to the brain, with a pvs 7 its completely redundant So two different usable images via two tubes equals double the cost. This is all making sense. So what is the deal with the twin pvs 14 mounts, why not run one of the AVIS/AVA dual tube binocular setups, those have two independent tubes and images? Is it a cost thing, already have one pvs14, might as well get another (two is one, one is none?) |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 10:37:31 AM EDT
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I would rather eat then see at night.
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Posted: 4/26/2015 10:48:01 AM EDT
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You can get a very nice PVS 7 with top shelf specs and autogating etc. The PVS 7 vs PVS 14 thing is personal choice, I went with the PVS 7 because the price was right. I'd rather have a PVS 14 but PVS 7 works just fine. They really are pretty good. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A PVS-14 makes one of your eyes dark adapted and one light adapted, so if the tube goes out/batteries die/whatever, you have one dark adapted eye that still works. PVS-7 is like looking through a cyclopean toilet paper tube that transmits the same, centered, image to both eyes. Neither eye is dark adapted, but I really don't see the need. The other thing is autogating, you only get that option on newer PVS-14 units, but unless you are clearing a house and someone turns on the lights, or you are a tard who uses it during the day without an objective lens cap, so again I don't see the need. I bought a PVS-7 because it was a dirt cheap way to get gen 3 NV. If it goes out on me when I need it, well that's what my rifle has a KM2 Vampire on it for, I'd just switch to white light. You can get a very nice PVS 7 with top shelf specs and autogating etc. The PVS 7 vs PVS 14 thing is personal choice, I went with the PVS 7 because the price was right. I'd rather have a PVS 14 but PVS 7 works just fine. They really are pretty good. This is one of the main things that worries me. The "personal choice" clause. I have heard and understand the advantages of the pvs-14 setup, and it all makes sense. However, I have not heard any reason why the pvs-7 rig might be a better fit for someone. For instance, it was mentioned that some people prefer the pvs-7, but no reason was provided. Why would they if the monocular offers more adaptability and real world advantages, from allowing weapon mounting to being easier to walk around in the dark with one eye giving depth perception feedback while the other eye can see in the dark vs. both eyes watching the same thing? What possible advantage could the pvs-7 have over the pvs-14? |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 10:49:46 AM EDT
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So what is the deal with the twin pvs 14 mounts, why not run one of the AVIS/AVA dual tube binocular setups, those have two independent tubes and images? Is it a cost thing, already have one pvs14, might as well get another (two is one, one is none?) yeah plus you can split them up and loan one to your girl or buddies |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 10:50:32 AM EDT
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What possible advantage could the pvs-7 have over the pvs-14? cost |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 11:43:32 AM EDT
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Awesome,
Thanks for answering my questions.
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Posted: 4/26/2015 2:14:06 PM EDT
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I would rather eat then see at night. Get both.
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Posted: 4/26/2015 8:53:28 PM EDT
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I would rather eat then see at night. Get both. If you can see at night, you can always eat. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 8:59:40 PM EDT
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I finally bought my first pvs14 one year ago this month.
the first reaction looking through gen 3 gave me what I have termed the "holy shit" effect. I quickly figured out why our military loves to do stuff at night, its not even close to fair. I will never not have nods from this point on, since I have added the Atpial-c I now do almost all of my predator hunting at night. It really changed the game for me. 
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Posted: 4/26/2015 10:49:00 PM EDT
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I would rather eat then see at night. What if..... you could do both? 
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Posted: 4/26/2015 10:54:58 PM EDT
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What if..... you could do both?
<a href="http://s400.photobucket.com/user/223556762308/media/IMG_7412_zpsdf06de7c.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp84/223556762308/IMG_7412_zpsdf06de7c.jpg</a> Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would rather eat then see at night. What if..... you could do both?
<a href="http://s400.photobucket.com/user/223556762308/media/IMG_7412_zpsdf06de7c.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp84/223556762308/IMG_7412_zpsdf06de7c.jpg</a> Yea, I'd hangout with you
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Posted: 4/26/2015 10:59:19 PM EDT
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What if..... you could do both?
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I would rather eat then see at night. What if..... you could do both?
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Posted: 4/26/2015 11:07:53 PM EDT
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FWIW, I had to get my 14 out of my truck (I use it to spot deer on the drive to work in the morning) just for that pic response.
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Posted: 4/26/2015 11:08:40 PM EDT
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Almost bought one of those ATN NVGs.
So happy that I didn't. I might be able to pick something up with next year's bonus, though. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 11:58:23 PM EDT
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Almost bought one of those ATN NVGs. So happy that I didn't. I might be able to pick something up with next year's bonus, though. Do not buy junk. It will only cost you money in the long run. |
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Posted: 5/4/2015 8:25:31 PM EDT
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I am now a one eyed God King of the night.
I just need a decent laser and bump helmet when my blood oil account recovers. |
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Posted: 5/4/2015 10:48:02 PM EDT
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I need to change my answer to "I do bro"
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Posted: 5/4/2015 10:50:28 PM EDT
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I finally bought my first pvs14 one year ago this month. the first reaction looking through gen 3 gave me what I have termed the "holy shit" effect. I quickly figured out why our military loves to do stuff at night, its not even close to fair. I will never not have nods from this point on, since I have added the Atpial-c I now do almost all of my predator hunting at night. It really changed the game for me. So the game has now changed because of your equipment? In this industry, we call that…… 
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Posted: 5/5/2015 12:04:45 PM EDT
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I have one of those NYX-14's on order from Amazon but am thinking about cancelling it and picking up another suppressor (or ammo) before 41p comes up again in a few months.
I just can't decide whether I will use the NV and I hate having something sitting around that expensive without using it. Living in town means I really don't have a reason to use it due to our street lighting being very good. |
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