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MP5 is not work 3k. You're better off getting a decent hobby CNC machine and learn how to use it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Let's attach a dollar figure to this. To replicate the configuration pictured above, I'm looking at about $3000. That doesn't include the Aimpoint, which I already own. This a serious chunk of cash, but I've lived half my life and you can't take federal reserve notes with you. Is shooting 9 mm projectiles at 100 yards maximum worth that kind of money when there's a 5.56 SBR in the stable already? MP5 is not work 3k. You're better off getting a decent hobby CNC machine and learn how to use it. They don't cost $3k, unless you want collectors quality. If you're gonna blast, you can find Em new for $2100. Used for considerably less. I see stories all the time of gun shops selling them for $1400. You don't HAVE to have optics. They have good easily usable irons. Rails cost extra $ on any gun.lights too. |
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Dude, I'm looking at the Getz pistol for my project. So we're taking about the exact same thing, same price, etc. and the extras add price, yes. So what's your point? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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available all day at $2K Where? 3K is the total cost for all the shit pictured except aimpoint (stock, Surefire hand guard w/ light, optics mount, etc.). The base pistol itself starts at 2K unless you can tell me where to find a POF-5 right now (and I mean, TODAY). Sorry, $2080. http://www.hkpro.com/forum/d-j-getz-firearms-co/166201-94fs-9mm-rifle-w-multiple-stock-options.html $140 for the stock at HKParts.net. So, $2300 for rifle. Optics and rails add $$, just as they do on ANY rifles. Including AR. Dude, I'm looking at the Getz pistol for my project. So we're taking about the exact same thing, same price, etc. and the extras add price, yes. So what's your point? The GUN ITSELF isn't $3k. Extra shit cost extra. Get the gun now. Save for the extra shit. |
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Where can I get 15rd mags? Stupid ass mag law... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Had an HK94. Sold it. Even in SBR form...it's heavy for what it is, dirty, and a PITA to fully clean properly. Pretty much pistol caliber carbines as a whole are a bit pointless when you can get 5.56 or larger caliber rifles in roughly the same size envelope... It doesn't matter how dirty it gets, it still runs. It's not hard at all to clean. It's a blast, even in SemiAuto. http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/natebedair/a486ec0ad24cbd300c4640b12cbfcf2c_zps076a0349.jpg Which length do you prefer? Going back and forth between these two setups is a big reason why I haven't ever gone through with getting one. I went full sized first. But I also love the k. Need some $15 rd mags for the K for looks, but $90? Not gonna spend that. Where can I get 15rd mags? Stupid ass mag law... HKParts. http://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/MP5-Magazines-Mag-Clamps-Loader-c74.htm |
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The GUN ITSELF isn't $3k. Extra shit cost extra. Get the gun now. Save for the extra shit. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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available all day at $2K Where? 3K is the total cost for all the shit pictured except aimpoint (stock, Surefire hand guard w/ light, optics mount, etc.). The base pistol itself starts at 2K unless you can tell me where to find a POF-5 right now (and I mean, TODAY). Sorry, $2080. http://www.hkpro.com/forum/d-j-getz-firearms-co/166201-94fs-9mm-rifle-w-multiple-stock-options.html $140 for the stock at HKParts.net. So, $2300 for rifle. Optics and rails add $$, just as they do on ANY rifles. Including AR. Dude, I'm looking at the Getz pistol for my project. So we're taking about the exact same thing, same price, etc. and the extras add price, yes. So what's your point? The GUN ITSELF isn't $3k. Extra shit cost extra. Get the gun now. Save for the extra shit. Holy crap, I can't make it any more clear than how I previously stated it: to replicate the configuration pictured, it will cost me $3k. NO SHIT, THE GUN ITSELF ISN'T 3K. NO SHIT, THE EXTRA STUFF COSTS MORE. I even acknowledged the base gun is $2k! What don't you understand? You stated you can build it all day long for $2K. You can't. RTFP |
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Had an HK94. Sold it. Even in SBR form...it's heavy for what it is, dirty, and a PITA to fully clean properly. Pretty much pistol caliber carbines as a whole are a bit pointless when you can get 5.56 or larger caliber rifles in roughly the same size envelope... View Quote Ummm, ok. It gets no more dirty than any other gun that shoots 9mm and if you think its heavy you need to work out. 5.56 out of a 11" barrel vs 9mm out of the same? Umm ok. |
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I'm 6ft tall with monkey arms. This is my hang up with the K. I'm afraid that after the cool factor starts slowing down, I'll regret getting the short model even though I prefer the looks and utility of it. |
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I'm 6ft tall with monkey arms. This is my hang up with the K. I'm afraid that after the cool factor starts slowing down, I'll regret getting the short model even though I prefer the looks and utility of it. View Quote Find someone locally who has both and shoot them. It will help you decide. Alternately, check the Reverse Stretch (standard rear end with K front end) |
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Semi-auto SMGs are meh - I'd rather put the money into expanding my handgun collection.
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For that amount of money invested, I think I'd rather have a Mk18 with a can, and still have change leftover.
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Find someone locally who has both and shoot them. It will help you decide. Alternately, check the Reverse Stretch (standard rear end with K front end) View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I'm 6ft tall with monkey arms. This is my hang up with the K. I'm afraid that after the cool factor starts slowing down, I'll regret getting the short model even though I prefer the looks and utility of it. Find someone locally who has both and shoot them. It will help you decide. Alternately, check the Reverse Stretch (standard rear end with K front end) Don't care for the reverse stretch, just looks funnyto me. I have shot both, which is why I'm so confused about it. Thanks for the help. |
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Do it just for the cool factor. MP5s make any rational person turn into a little kid again. My form 1 took 42 days to come back, so now is the time to do it. Even that seems to be on the long end.
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Had an HK94. Sold it. Even in SBR form...it's heavy for what it is, dirty, and a PITA to fully clean properly. Pretty much pistol caliber carbines as a whole are a bit pointless when you can get 5.56 or larger caliber rifles in roughly the same size envelope... It doesn't matter how dirty it gets, it still runs. It's not hard at all to clean. It's a blast, even in SemiAuto. http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/natebedair/a486ec0ad24cbd300c4640b12cbfcf2c_zps076a0349.jpg Which length do you prefer? Going back and forth between these two setups is a big reason why I haven't ever gone through with getting one. I went full sized first. But I also love the k. Need some $15 rd mags for the K for looks, but $90? Not gonna spend that. Where can I get 15rd mags? Stupid ass mag law... Cut down some cheap Korean mags. I've got the dimensions written down,let me find them. |
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Don't care for the reverse stretch, just looks funnyto me. I have shot both, which is why I'm so confused about it. Thanks for the help. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I'm 6ft tall with monkey arms. This is my hang up with the K. I'm afraid that after the cool factor starts slowing down, I'll regret getting the short model even though I prefer the looks and utility of it. Find someone locally who has both and shoot them. It will help you decide. Alternately, check the Reverse Stretch (standard rear end with K front end) Don't care for the reverse stretch, just looks funnyto me. I have shot both, which is why I'm so confused about it. Thanks for the help. Get the longer folding stock maybe? I'm a short SOB (5-8) |
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This is a Getz k pistol http://s61.photobucket.com/user/gdetrick/media/photo_zps843bc7c5.jpg.html No it's not. Fucking iPhone... View Quote |
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Great little shooter ...mine is a Jayson Cotter build that I got at auction for $600...shooting something side by side with a Glock 19 or SigP226 and you realize the benefits of being able to shoulder your weapon...amazingly accurate
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LMAO! Seriously??? That dam thing is fugly! MP5's are fun as Hell and I love mine. Out of all the guns in my collection I find myself packing the MP5 on every range trip. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Wait for the Scorpion Evo LMAO! Seriously??? That dam thing is fugly! MP5's are fun as Hell and I love mine. Out of all the guns in my collection I find myself packing the MP5 on every range trip. Gilboa 9mm setup looks nice to me. |
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Ummm, ok. It gets no more dirty than any other gun that shoots 9mm and if you think its heavy you need to work out. 5.56 out of a 11" barrel vs 9mm out of the same? Umm ok. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Had an HK94. Sold it. Even in SBR form...it's heavy for what it is, dirty, and a PITA to fully clean properly. Pretty much pistol caliber carbines as a whole are a bit pointless when you can get 5.56 or larger caliber rifles in roughly the same size envelope... Ummm, ok. It gets no more dirty than any other gun that shoots 9mm and if you think its heavy you need to work out. 5.56 out of a 11" barrel vs 9mm out of the same? Umm ok. A >3k factory HK94, I'm not about to leave laying around with carbon caked on it because you need to sacrifice a pile of t-shirts to get all of the carbon out, and even then...you can't be sure it's all clean. There's too many inaccessable nooks and crannies in it. Ever hear of this thing called rust? On an all-steel rifle like the HK, rust is bad, mmmk? Especially if you live in a humid area like I did for a while. For a 9mm poodleshooter, it is heavy for what it does. There's plenty of lighter things out there that shoot 9mm. No, 5.56 out of a 11" barrel isn't nearly the same as a 9mm. At 50 or 100 yards, 5.56 is way faster and has way better terminal effect, and will do way way more damage. Again, like I said in my original post...why shoot a pistol round when you can shoot a rifle round out of the same size envelope? There's no good reason ever to go with a 9mm over a 5.56 in the same size envelope (other than plinking and for fun, anyway). Sure, the 9mm is like shooting with the easy button pressed, but 5.56 isn't exactly like wrestling with a drunken and angry bear either. If the OP wants to spend his money on one, fine. It's simply not all peaches and cream, and he should go into it with his eyes open. Every now and again I consider building up and SBRing an MP5K clone...that's about the only size envelope a 9mm subgun makes sense in to me (along with the TP9/Steyr SPP). Then I remember how much of a bitch it was to completely clean (though, if it's not a factory HK, I wouldn't worry as much about it), how expensive mags were, how expensive factory parts were...then throw in just the cost of it, to buy a gun designed 40+ years ago which SHOULD be dirt cheap but somehow isn't, considering the millions of them they've made...and then if you manage to find and buy one (if it's not a factory HK SP89) having to probably send it off to a reputable smith as odds are it won't run correctly out of the box (see the special weapons shit, and their other knockoffs)... The HK roller locked guns are interesting and can be fun, I'll give them that. The ones I had in 9mm and 5.56 were reliable. I just couldn't justify, at the end of the day, having that much money tied up into something that was that...annoying, in all the little details. |
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There's no good reason ever to go with a 9mm over a 5.56 in the same size envelope (other than plinking and for fun, anyway). View Quote Yes there is: suppression. You are never going to get an effective 5.56 suppressed to anywhere near the levels of an effective suppressed 9mm. Not even close. |
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do it they are a blast to shoot and the cool factor is high
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Had an HK94. Sold it. Even in SBR form...it's heavy for what it is, dirty, and a PITA to fully clean properly. Pretty much pistol caliber carbines as a whole are a bit pointless when you can get 5.56 or larger caliber rifles in roughly the same size envelope... View Quote Why would you clean it? They run great dirty and wet. |
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They don't cost $3k, unless you want collectors quality. If you're gonna blast, you can find Em new for $2100. Used for considerably less. I see stories all the time of gun shops selling them for $1400. You don't HAVE to have optics. They have good easily usable irons. Rails cost extra $ on any gun.lights too. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Let's attach a dollar figure to this. To replicate the configuration pictured above, I'm looking at about $3000. That doesn't include the Aimpoint, which I already own. This a serious chunk of cash, but I've lived half my life and you can't take federal reserve notes with you. Is shooting 9 mm projectiles at 100 yards maximum worth that kind of money when there's a 5.56 SBR in the stable already? MP5 is not work 3k. You're better off getting a decent hobby CNC machine and learn how to use it. They don't cost $3k, unless you want collectors quality. If you're gonna blast, you can find Em new for $2100. Used for considerably less. I see stories all the time of gun shops selling them for $1400. You don't HAVE to have optics. They have good easily usable irons. Rails cost extra $ on any gun.lights too. HK irons are perfection itself. |
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Quoted: I am this close to buying a decent quality clone (non-HK) MP5 pistol and converting it to SBR. I've always wanted one, but if I look at this objectively there's nothing it does that an AR15 SBR won't do better and I'm already covered in that area. What say you? Yes, the MPX is coming (someday), but 41P looms on the horizon and I can have something like this in my hands a mere 40-ish days after e-filing. Here's what I'm thinking (pic stolen from web): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/lmm150/Message%20Boards/10282007373_zpsc61a35d9.jpg View Quote I shot a suppressed full auto SBR one a year or so ago and it was pretty sweet... |
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Do it! That's my dream gun. Let me live vicariously through you.
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A >3k factory HK94, I'm not about to leave laying around with carbon caked on it because you need to sacrifice a pile of t-shirts to get all of the carbon out, and even then...you can't be sure it's all clean. There's too many inaccessable nooks and crannies in it. Ever hear of this thing called rust? On an all-steel rifle like the HK, rust is bad, mmmk? Especially if you live in a humid area like I did for a while. For a 9mm poodleshooter, it is heavy for what it does. There's plenty of lighter things out there that shoot 9mm. No, 5.56 out of a 11" barrel isn't nearly the same as a 9mm. At 50 or 100 yards, 5.56 is way faster and has way better terminal effect, and will do way way more damage. Again, like I said in my original post...why shoot a pistol round when you can shoot a rifle round out of the same size envelope? There's no good reason ever to go with a 9mm over a 5.56 in the same size envelope (other than plinking and for fun, anyway). Sure, the 9mm is like shooting with the easy button pressed, but 5.56 isn't exactly like wrestling with a drunken and angry bear either. If the OP wants to spend his money on one, fine. It's simply not all peaches and cream, and he should go into it with his eyes open. Every now and again I consider building up and SBRing an MP5K clone...that's about the only size envelope a 9mm subgun makes sense in to me (along with the TP9/Steyr SPP). Then I remember how much of a bitch it was to completely clean (though, if it's not a factory HK, I wouldn't worry as much about it), how expensive mags were, how expensive factory parts were...then throw in just the cost of it, to buy a gun designed 40+ years ago which SHOULD be dirt cheap but somehow isn't, considering the millions of them they've made...and then if you manage to find and buy one (if it's not a factory HK SP89) having to probably send it off to a reputable smith as odds are it won't run correctly out of the box (see the special weapons shit, and their other knockoffs)... The HK roller locked guns are interesting and can be fun, I'll give them that. The ones I had in 9mm and 5.56 were reliable. I just couldn't justify, at the end of the day, having that much money tied up into something that was that...annoying, in all the little details. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Had an HK94. Sold it. Even in SBR form...it's heavy for what it is, dirty, and a PITA to fully clean properly. Pretty much pistol caliber carbines as a whole are a bit pointless when you can get 5.56 or larger caliber rifles in roughly the same size envelope... Ummm, ok. It gets no more dirty than any other gun that shoots 9mm and if you think its heavy you need to work out. 5.56 out of a 11" barrel vs 9mm out of the same? Umm ok. A >3k factory HK94, I'm not about to leave laying around with carbon caked on it because you need to sacrifice a pile of t-shirts to get all of the carbon out, and even then...you can't be sure it's all clean. There's too many inaccessable nooks and crannies in it. Ever hear of this thing called rust? On an all-steel rifle like the HK, rust is bad, mmmk? Especially if you live in a humid area like I did for a while. For a 9mm poodleshooter, it is heavy for what it does. There's plenty of lighter things out there that shoot 9mm. No, 5.56 out of a 11" barrel isn't nearly the same as a 9mm. At 50 or 100 yards, 5.56 is way faster and has way better terminal effect, and will do way way more damage. Again, like I said in my original post...why shoot a pistol round when you can shoot a rifle round out of the same size envelope? There's no good reason ever to go with a 9mm over a 5.56 in the same size envelope (other than plinking and for fun, anyway). Sure, the 9mm is like shooting with the easy button pressed, but 5.56 isn't exactly like wrestling with a drunken and angry bear either. If the OP wants to spend his money on one, fine. It's simply not all peaches and cream, and he should go into it with his eyes open. Every now and again I consider building up and SBRing an MP5K clone...that's about the only size envelope a 9mm subgun makes sense in to me (along with the TP9/Steyr SPP). Then I remember how much of a bitch it was to completely clean (though, if it's not a factory HK, I wouldn't worry as much about it), how expensive mags were, how expensive factory parts were...then throw in just the cost of it, to buy a gun designed 40+ years ago which SHOULD be dirt cheap but somehow isn't, considering the millions of them they've made...and then if you manage to find and buy one (if it's not a factory HK SP89) having to probably send it off to a reputable smith as odds are it won't run correctly out of the box (see the special weapons shit, and their other knockoffs)... The HK roller locked guns are interesting and can be fun, I'll give them that. The ones I had in 9mm and 5.56 were reliable. I just couldn't justify, at the end of the day, having that much money tied up into something that was that...annoying, in all the little details. |
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Yes there is: suppression. You are never going to get an effective 5.56 suppressed to anywhere near the levels of an effective suppressed 9mm. Not even close. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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There's no good reason ever to go with a 9mm over a 5.56 in the same size envelope (other than plinking and for fun, anyway). Yes there is: suppression. You are never going to get an effective 5.56 suppressed to anywhere near the levels of an effective suppressed 9mm. Not even close. You do have a point, I stand corrected. I've never lived (for long) in a state that allowed cans, so I never really think of that application. Having said that....300blk? |
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usually a change in extractors or bolt head fixes any issues with clones. View Quote Fair enough. I've also been present in threads where a SW guns was welded on the cock, and needed to be rebuilt from scratch...etc. I'm not saying they're bad guns, they really aren't. I just don't particularly care for them, after having both an HK94 and an HK93. (And that might be why I got hung up on how much of a PITA they can be to clean; if it were a clone, who cares? But actual HK hardware is very pricy, which means to me it needs to be spotless when I put it away, lest the tireless enemy of rust get to work) It doesn't stop me from wanting to buy a Vector V53 pistol and SBRing it, and it doesn't stop me from wanting to buy an SP89 clone and SBRing it...but, I just don't want to build them as badly now that I've owned their full size cousins |
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Why aren't you just a killjoy? You are right but they are awesome & everyone should have one. It brings a smile to everyone face when I introduce them to the F position. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Let's attach a dollar figure to this. To replicate the configuration pictured above, I'm looking at about $3000. That doesn't include the Aimpoint, which I already own. This a serious chunk of cash, but I've lived half my life and you can't take federal reserve notes with you. Is shooting 9 mm projectiles at 100 yards maximum worth that kind of money when there's a 5.56 SBR in the stable already? View Quote Auto or semi? |
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Let's attach a dollar figure to this. To replicate the configuration pictured above, I'm looking at about $3000. That doesn't include the Aimpoint, which I already own. This a serious chunk of cash, but I've lived half my life and you can't take federal reserve notes with you. Is shooting 9 mm projectiles at 100 yards maximum worth that kind of money when there's a 5.56 SBR in the stable already? Auto or semi? He'd need to add another zero for a full auto one. |
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Insane amounts of fun. Especially if you can run it suppressed View Quote This. There is nothing more fun at the range than seeing how fast you can clear a rack of steel plates with a semi-auto MP5 clone. Or set up a course where you have to move and clear 5 to 10 steel popper targets with the timer running. You can take an assortment of guns to the range, but everybody prefers shooting the MP5 clone over an AR or AK every time. Buy it and don't look back! Also, don't spend $50 to $80 for Hk German made magazines. These are a lot cheaper and are very reliable: http://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/MP5-30-Round-Magazine-KCI-4th-Gen-ON-SALE-p955.htm |
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In: It's a neat little carbine, even in SA. Really handy, no recoil, and it's cheap to feed. The POF is a pretty high quality clone that can take standard parts, and there's a lot of aftermarket support for MP5's. There's a lot of cool shit, but some of it can be kind of expensive. Eventually, you can get the FA trigger pack.
Out: For about a grand more (not including FA trigger pack for MP5), than a set up MP5 clone, you can get a real SMG. With the giggle switch. The M-10's and M-11's don't cost that much, and there's a lot of aftermarket stuff for those things too. Even different caliber uppers, the SABRE 5.56 upper was approved last year I believe. |
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Let's attach a dollar figure to this. To replicate the configuration pictured above, I'm looking at about $3000. That doesn't include the Aimpoint, which I already own. This a serious chunk of cash, but I've lived half my life and you can't take federal reserve notes with you. Is shooting 9 mm projectiles at 100 yards maximum worth that kind of money when there's a 5.56 SBR in the stable already? Auto or semi? He'd need to add another zero for a full auto one. I thought a full auto would be much higher than $3k, but $3k for a semi only seems somewhat ridiculous. |
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Buy the POF 5. $1,500 for NIB. HK factory license, PUSH PIN LOWER, 3 lug and threaded barrel and actually marked MP5 on the receiver. This is the closest to a real deal HK MP5 on the market. Mine runs flawlessly. These always sell out within hours when a new shipment arrives. Another shipment should arrive in the next 30 days. Keep checking the Atlantic Firearms, Copper Custom and AGS websites. http://s3.amazonaws.com/coppercustom_website/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/IMG_01981-1024x575.jpg View Quote Do you know the thread pitch? 9mm has one standard RH thread and one metric LH thread. Never mind. I see they are 1/2x28 RH. My suppressor is 13.5x1mm LH. |
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