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Posted: 12/21/2014 4:30:07 PM EDT
I am this close to buying a decent quality clone (non-HK) MP5 pistol and converting it to SBR. I've always wanted one, but if I look at this objectively there's nothing it does that an AR15 SBR won't do better and I'm already covered in that area. What say you?
Yes, the MPX is coming (someday), but 41P looms on the horizon and I can have something like this in my hands a mere 40-ish days after e-filing. Here's what I'm thinking (pic stolen from web): 
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Posted: 12/21/2014 4:34:03 PM EDT
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Do it.
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Posted: 12/21/2014 4:35:54 PM EDT
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Get them both...........
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Posted: 12/21/2014 4:37:13 PM EDT
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Do it. Please. I know I want one 
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Posted: 12/21/2014 4:37:26 PM EDT
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Go for it- mucho fun.
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Posted: 12/21/2014 4:38:50 PM EDT
[#5]
Do it. Who cares about utility?
ETA: it's almost Christmas anyway. 
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Posted: 12/21/2014 4:39:26 PM EDT
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Wait for the Scorpion Evo
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Posted: 12/21/2014 4:40:07 PM EDT
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Had an HK94. Sold it.
Even in SBR form...it's heavy for what it is, dirty, and a PITA to fully clean properly. Pretty much pistol caliber carbines as a whole are a bit pointless when you can get 5.56 or larger caliber rifles in roughly the same size envelope... |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 4:46:23 PM EDT
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Had an HK94. Sold it. Even in SBR form...it's heavy for what it is, dirty, and a PITA to fully clean properly. Pretty much pistol caliber carbines as a whole are a bit pointless when you can get 5.56 or larger caliber rifles in roughly the same size envelope... Why aren't you just a killjoy? You are right but they are awesome & everyone should have one. It brings a smile to everyone face when I introduce them to the F position. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 4:47:05 PM EDT
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Insane amounts of fun. Especially if you can run it suppressed
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Posted: 12/21/2014 4:48:31 PM EDT
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Why aren't you just a killjoy? You are right but they are awesome & everyone should have one. It brings a smile to everyone face when I introduce them to the F position. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Had an HK94. Sold it. Even in SBR form...it's heavy for what it is, dirty, and a PITA to fully clean properly. Pretty much pistol caliber carbines as a whole are a bit pointless when you can get 5.56 or larger caliber rifles in roughly the same size envelope... Why aren't you just a killjoy? You are right but they are awesome & everyone should have one. It brings a smile to everyone face when I introduce them to the F position. But what if the particular firearm will never have an F position? Does it make it a less worthwhile endeavor? |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 4:50:36 PM EDT
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But what if the particular firearm will never have an F position? Does it make it a less worthwhile endeavor? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Had an HK94. Sold it. Even in SBR form...it's heavy for what it is, dirty, and a PITA to fully clean properly. Pretty much pistol caliber carbines as a whole are a bit pointless when you can get 5.56 or larger caliber rifles in roughly the same size envelope... Why aren't you just a killjoy? You are right but they are awesome & everyone should have one. It brings a smile to everyone face when I introduce them to the F position. But what if the particular firearm will never have an F position? Does it make it a less worthwhile endeavor? Personally, even if it never left the house, I'd still love one. But that's just me. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 4:57:32 PM EDT
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Let's attach a dollar figure to this. To replicate the configuration pictured above, I'm looking at about $3000. That doesn't include the Aimpoint, which I already own. This a serious chunk of cash, but I've lived half my life and you can't take federal reserve notes with you. Is shooting 9 mm projectiles at 100 yards maximum worth that kind of money when there's a 5.56 SBR in the stable already?
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Posted: 12/21/2014 4:59:07 PM EDT
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I was at the range many years ago and seen a school teacher with a MP5, very cool guns, we all tried to talk him into letting a burst go full auto but he wouldn't do it.
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Posted: 12/21/2014 5:00:26 PM EDT
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Don't do it. Everyone should stop buying MP5s and their ilk immediately...
...so the price can be a bit lower when I've got the money to be in the market for one
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Posted: 12/21/2014 5:01:39 PM EDT
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Once things settle down in my life a bit, I'm going to be in the market for one. Probably a post-sample
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Posted: 12/21/2014 5:02:55 PM EDT
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I've been wanting a mp5 for years and years.
My next gun I purchase will most likely be a mp5 reverse stretch. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 5:03:21 PM EDT
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Had an HK94. Sold it. Even in SBR form...it's heavy for what it is, dirty, and a PITA to fully clean properly. Pretty much pistol caliber carbines as a whole are a bit pointless when you can get 5.56 or larger caliber rifles in roughly the same size envelope... 
It doesn't matter how dirty it gets, it still runs. It's not hard at all to clean. It's a blast, even in SemiAuto. 
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Posted: 12/21/2014 5:04:11 PM EDT
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Let's attach a dollar figure to this. To replicate the configuration pictured above, I'm looking at about $3000. That doesn't include the Aimpoint, which I already own. This a serious chunk of cash, but I've lived half my life and you can't take federal reserve notes with you. Is shooting 9 mm projectiles at 100 yards maximum worth that kind of money when there's a 5.56 SBR in the stable already? Mine is set up just like that and I have $2100 in it including the stamp. Mine is a POF and shoots like a dream. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 5:05:15 PM EDT
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Mp5's are cool but are outclassed by today's sbr AR's.
Do you have a layer out AR shorty. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 5:05:40 PM EDT
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Yeah you defiantly don't want an MP5. They are small and handy and fun to shoot.
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Posted: 12/21/2014 5:06:00 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/21/2014 5:06:10 PM EDT
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Let's attach a dollar figure to this. To replicate the configuration pictured above, I'm looking at about $3000. That doesn't include the Aimpoint, which I already own. This a serious chunk of cash, but I've lived half my life and you can't take federal reserve notes with you. Is shooting 9 mm projectiles at 100 yards maximum worth that kind of money when there's a 5.56 SBR in the stable already? Mine is set up just like that and I have $2100 in it including the stamp. Mine is a POF and shoots like a dream. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 5:06:59 PM EDT
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Mp5's are cool but are outclassed by today's sbr AR's. Do you have a layer out AR shorty. Op says he has SBR AR already covered. PCCs are perfectly reasonable fun blasting guns. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 5:07:41 PM EDT
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If you have to ask you cant afford it.
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Posted: 12/21/2014 5:13:40 PM EDT
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You don't even need a 'quality' one to have fun.
I have a POF Clone here and it eats steel (Tula) 9mm and has never had a single issue. Which is more than can be said of trying to run steel ammo through a 'nice' clone. I am an 07/02 and thus have a full auto trigger pack. Hardly ever gets used though, honestly the semi auto is so much fun and its like shooting airsoft, as there is hardly any recoil. DO IT.  |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 5:15:56 PM EDT
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I never cared one way ir another about the Mp5 until last year when I got the chance to play with one for a whole day on .gov's dime. I now can give you no reason at all to tell you not to buy.
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Posted: 12/21/2014 5:17:03 PM EDT
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Pure sex
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Posted: 12/21/2014 5:17:07 PM EDT
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The MP5 is one of my very favorite guns... so sexy and easy to shoot. Love the full auto but if I could get a semi I'd still be tickled.
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Posted: 12/21/2014 5:21:25 PM EDT
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But what if the particular firearm will never have an F position? Does it make it a less worthwhile endeavor? It is boringly accurate with iron sites & when I shoot, mostly semi. I add a can & let friends play with it in the 3rd position. Cheaper to feed than my 5.56mm guns. Just do it! |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 5:21:37 PM EDT
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Let's attach a dollar figure to this. To replicate the configuration pictured above, I'm looking at about $3000. That doesn't include the Aimpoint, which I already own. This a serious chunk of cash, but I've lived half my life and you can't take federal reserve notes with you. Is shooting 9 mm projectiles at 100 yards maximum worth that kind of money when there's a 5.56 SBR in the stable already? The closed bolt of the MP5 series is nice. They are serious fun for shooting steel plates at pistol distances (something you probably don't do with your 5.56 SBR). The fly in the ointment, though, is cost. 3k is IMO just too much scratch. I love pistol caliber carbines for the fun factor but I don't take them overly seriously. I currently have two PCCs- a Beretta Storm 9mm and a Colt 6450 9mm. I use them a lot (especially the Storm). You don't gain much by SBRing the Storm. A SBR 9mm AR makes sense, though. If you are looking at 3k for a semi MP5 think strongly about adding 2k and getting an M11/9mm subgun and investing as funds allow in a Lage kit as well as a .22lr conversion. Anyhoo you have to follow your own ballistic muse. As you pointed out it is only $$ in the end. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 5:22:32 PM EDT
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Great guns, a blast to shoot, and they owned an incredible market share of CQB until the Mk 18 era.
I think they're what a Beretta M9 is to a Glock 17 but still a great piece to have for your collection. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 5:24:09 PM EDT
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Yeah you defiantly don't want an MP5. They are small and handy and fun to shoot.
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j234/bionic589/NFA%20Items/IMG_4829.jpg http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j234/bionic589/NFA%20Items/IMG_4831.jpg The MP5K is the only one of the family that really does anything for me. The new CZ looks promising though, but it is ugly as fuck compared to the HK.
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Posted: 12/21/2014 5:25:46 PM EDT
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The closed bolt of the MP5 series is nice. They are serious fun for shooting steel plates at pistol distances (something you probably don't do with your 5.56 SBR). The fly in the ointment, though, is cost. 3k is IMO just too much scratch. I love pistol caliber carbines for the fun factor but I don't take them overly seriously. I currently have two PCCs- a Beretta Storm 9mm and a Colt 6450 9mm. I use them a lot (especially the Storm). You don't gain much by SBRing the Storm. A SBR 9mm AR makes sense, though. If you are looking at 3k for a semi MP5 think strongly about adding 2k and getting an M11/9mm subgun and investing as funds allow in a Lage kit as well as a .22lr conversion. Anyhoo you have to follow your own ballistic muse. As you pointed out it is only $$ in the end. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Let's attach a dollar figure to this. To replicate the configuration pictured above, I'm looking at about $3000. That doesn't include the Aimpoint, which I already own. This a serious chunk of cash, but I've lived half my life and you can't take federal reserve notes with you. Is shooting 9 mm projectiles at 100 yards maximum worth that kind of money when there's a 5.56 SBR in the stable already? The closed bolt of the MP5 series is nice. They are serious fun for shooting steel plates at pistol distances (something you probably don't do with your 5.56 SBR). The fly in the ointment, though, is cost. 3k is IMO just too much scratch. I love pistol caliber carbines for the fun factor but I don't take them overly seriously. I currently have two PCCs- a Beretta Storm 9mm and a Colt 6450 9mm. I use them a lot (especially the Storm). You don't gain much by SBRing the Storm. A SBR 9mm AR makes sense, though. If you are looking at 3k for a semi MP5 think strongly about adding 2k and getting an M11/9mm subgun and investing as funds allow in a Lage kit as well as a .22lr conversion. Anyhoo you have to follow your own ballistic muse. As you pointed out it is only $$ in the end. available all day at $2K
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Posted: 12/21/2014 5:28:06 PM EDT
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available all day at $2K
Where? 3K is the total cost for all the shit pictured except aimpoint (stock, Surefire hand guard w/ light, optics mount, etc.). The base pistol itself starts at 2K unless you can tell me where to find a POF-5 right now (and I mean, TODAY). |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 5:30:38 PM EDT
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My CA94 SBR is by far my favorite SBR in my collection.
Worth every penny, and totally fun. I've never understood the "but it's not good at self-defense!!!one1!" angle. Not all my guns are for that purpose. Sometimes you just have a gun that is fun to take to the range and blast away with. 9mm is cheap, available everywhere, suppresses great, is great for teaching new shooters on, and the MP5 has a cool factor that not many other guns have. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 5:34:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Let's attach a dollar figure to this. To replicate the configuration pictured above, I'm looking at about $3000. That doesn't include the Aimpoint, which I already own. This a serious chunk of cash, but I've lived half my life and you can't take federal reserve notes with you. Is shooting 9 mm projectiles at 100 yards maximum worth that kind of money when there's a 5.56 SBR in the stable already? MP5 is not work 3k. You're better off getting a decent hobby CNC machine and learn how to use it. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 5:36:35 PM EDT
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I'm on your side OP.
I've always wanted one also. I got to shoot a full auto one last spring. Really neat little guns. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 5:36:43 PM EDT
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MP5 is not work 3k. You're better off getting a decent hobby CNC machine and learn how to use it.
Use it to do what? |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 5:37:16 PM EDT
[#39]
Also, skip the A3 stock. Totally pointless. Looks cool in pictures, but that's about it.
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Posted: 12/21/2014 5:39:15 PM EDT
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Use it to do what? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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MP5 is not work 3k. You're better off getting a decent hobby CNC machine and learn how to use it.
Use it to do what? Machine your own MP5 |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 5:43:15 PM EDT
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To sbr a mp5 clone is it better to start with a pistol or carbine?
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Posted: 12/21/2014 5:43:48 PM EDT
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It doesn't matter how dirty it gets, it still runs. It's not hard at all to clean. It's a blast, even in SemiAuto. http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/natebedair/a486ec0ad24cbd300c4640b12cbfcf2c_zps076a0349.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Had an HK94. Sold it. Even in SBR form...it's heavy for what it is, dirty, and a PITA to fully clean properly. Pretty much pistol caliber carbines as a whole are a bit pointless when you can get 5.56 or larger caliber rifles in roughly the same size envelope...
It doesn't matter how dirty it gets, it still runs. It's not hard at all to clean. It's a blast, even in SemiAuto. http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/natebedair/a486ec0ad24cbd300c4640b12cbfcf2c_zps076a0349.jpg Which length do you prefer? Going back and forth between these two setups is a big reason why I haven't ever gone through with getting one. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 5:44:47 PM EDT
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To sbr a mp5 clone is it better to start with a pistol or carbine? Pistol. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 5:46:06 PM EDT
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I had some pretty awesome HK clones a few years ago. A particularly fun one was the Turkish AT-94K (MP5k clone). I SBR'd it and it was a ton of fun at the range. My other fun one was my Vector V89-40 SBR. I swapped the US made BCG with a German one, and it ran flawlessly. Then I had an MP5A3 kit built into an SBR by Ghillibear, it too was awesome. I sold them all during the Sandy hook aftermath. I kind of regret it, but I made enough off of them to buy a nice car for my wife with cash.
Do it, they are fun guns to shoot when SBR'd and hold their value. People will always love them because of all the 80's and 90's action movies. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 5:49:28 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/21/2014 5:50:16 PM EDT
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Where? 3K is the total cost for all the shit pictured except aimpoint (stock, Surefire hand guard w/ light, optics mount, etc.). The base pistol itself starts at 2K unless you can tell me where to find a POF-5 right now (and I mean, TODAY). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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available all day at $2K
Where? 3K is the total cost for all the shit pictured except aimpoint (stock, Surefire hand guard w/ light, optics mount, etc.). The base pistol itself starts at 2K unless you can tell me where to find a POF-5 right now (and I mean, TODAY). Sorry, $2080. http://www.hkpro.com/forum/d-j-getz-firearms-co/166201-94fs-9mm-rifle-w-multiple-stock-options.html $140 for the stock at HKParts.net. So, $2300 for rifle. Optics and rails add $$, just as they do on ANY rifles. Including AR. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 5:51:01 PM EDT
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OP I say do it. I want an MP5 in a bad way even though I fully intend to buy a CZ skorpian next year, the MP5 just gives me a strange boner that I must get one.
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Posted: 12/21/2014 5:53:21 PM EDT
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Which length do you prefer? Going back and forth between these two setups is a big reason why I haven't ever gone through with getting one. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Had an HK94. Sold it. Even in SBR form...it's heavy for what it is, dirty, and a PITA to fully clean properly. Pretty much pistol caliber carbines as a whole are a bit pointless when you can get 5.56 or larger caliber rifles in roughly the same size envelope...
It doesn't matter how dirty it gets, it still runs. It's not hard at all to clean. It's a blast, even in SemiAuto. http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/natebedair/a486ec0ad24cbd300c4640b12cbfcf2c_zps076a0349.jpg Which length do you prefer? Going back and forth between these two setups is a big reason why I haven't ever gone through with getting one. I went full sized first. But I also love the k. Need some $15 rd mags for the K for looks, but $90? Not gonna spend that. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 5:54:45 PM EDT
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both. I went full sized first. But I also love the k. Need some $15 rd mags for the K for looks, but $90? Not gonna spend that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Had an HK94. Sold it. Even in SBR form...it's heavy for what it is, dirty, and a PITA to fully clean properly. Pretty much pistol caliber carbines as a whole are a bit pointless when you can get 5.56 or larger caliber rifles in roughly the same size envelope...
It doesn't matter how dirty it gets, it still runs. It's not hard at all to clean. It's a blast, even in SemiAuto. http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/natebedair/a486ec0ad24cbd300c4640b12cbfcf2c_zps076a0349.jpg Which length do you prefer? Going back and forth between these two setups is a big reason why I haven't ever gone through with getting one. I went full sized first. But I also love the k. Need some $15 rd mags for the K for looks, but $90? Not gonna spend that. Where can I get 15rd mags? Stupid ass mag law... |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 5:55:17 PM EDT
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Sorry, $2080. http://www.hkpro.com/forum/d-j-getz-firearms-co/166201-94fs-9mm-rifle-w-multiple-stock-options.html $140 for the stock at HKParts.net. So, $2300 for rifle. Optics and rails add $$, just as they do on ANY rifles. Including AR. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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available all day at $2K
Where? 3K is the total cost for all the shit pictured except aimpoint (stock, Surefire hand guard w/ light, optics mount, etc.). The base pistol itself starts at 2K unless you can tell me where to find a POF-5 right now (and I mean, TODAY). Sorry, $2080. http://www.hkpro.com/forum/d-j-getz-firearms-co/166201-94fs-9mm-rifle-w-multiple-stock-options.html $140 for the stock at HKParts.net. So, $2300 for rifle. Optics and rails add $$, just as they do on ANY rifles. Including AR. Dude, I'm looking at the Getz pistol for my project. So we're taking about the exact same thing, same price, etc. and the extras add price, yes. So what's your point? |
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