Canadian weapons exports reach new levels – Saudi Arabia largest purchaser

[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Canadian weapons exports reach new levels – Saudi Arabia largest purchaser

Posted: 12/21/2014 1:24:59 PM EDT

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At $1.04 billion, the total value of military goods exported by Canada
in 2012 is the largest ever reported since official documentation began
in 1991.

As with all prior reports, the value of exports of military goods to the
U.S. is not included in the report for both 2012 and 2013. Past reports
have noted that Canadian military sales to the U.S. were likely equal
to, or exceeded, sales to all other states combined, although the
government was unable to report a U.S total because military exports to
the U.S do not require permits.

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That's nice that I (mostly) need to fill out pages of US state department end-user paperwork if I want to buy anything from anyone that isn't already a registered exporter, but actual military exports don't require permits at all. YAY government!

ETA: I've never actually filled out the paperwork - ever, because fuck the rules. If I can't legally buy something from the US, I either don't buy it at all, or I wait for a Canadian company to bring it in and pay the markup for the privilege of not dealing with your state department (or whomever runs the gong-show know as ITAR).

Posted: 12/21/2014 1:27:44 PM EDT

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At $1.04 billion, the total value of military goods exported by Canada in 2012 is the largest ever reported since official documentation began in 1991.

As with all prior reports, the value of exports of military goods to the U.S. is not included in the report for both 2012 and 2013. Past reports have noted that Canadian military sales to the U.S. were likely equal to, or exceeded, sales to all other states combined, although the government was unable to report a U.S total because military exports to the U.S do not require permits.

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That's nice that I (mostly) need to fill out pages of US state department end-user paperwork if I want to buy anything from anyone that isn't already a registered exporter, but actual military exports don't require permits at all. YAY government!

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I didn't think you were this intellectually dishonest, but I guess I was wrong.

Posted: 12/21/2014 1:41:47 PM EDT

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At $1.04 billion, the total value of military goods exported by Canada in 2012 is the largest ever reported since official documentation began in 1991.

As with all prior reports, the value of exports of military goods to the U.S. is not included in the report for both 2012 and 2013. Past reports have noted that Canadian military sales to the U.S. were likely equal to, or exceeded, sales to all other states combined, although the government was unable to report a U.S total because military exports to the U.S do not require permits.

That's nice that I (mostly) need to fill out pages of US state department end-user paperwork if I want to buy anything from anyone that isn't already a registered exporter, but actual military exports don't require permits at all. YAY government!

I didn't think you were this intellectually dishonest, but I guess I was wrong.

I don't understand.

Posted: 12/21/2014 1:45:35 PM EDT

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Ah hell...

Posted: 12/21/2014 1:51:23 PM EDT

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Looks like they hosed ya, eh.

Posted: 12/21/2014 2:32:43 PM EDT

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That's cute, maybe some day Canada will have a real defence industry.

Posted: 12/21/2014 2:41:28 PM EDT

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Wait, there is a Canadian weapis industry? Did they figure out a way to weaponize maple syrup and poutine? Did they develop a polite bomb?

Posted: 12/21/2014 4:52:29 PM EDT

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At $1.04 billion, the total value of military goods exported by Canada in 2012 is the largest ever reported since official documentation began in 1991.

As with all prior reports, the value of exports of military goods to the U.S. is not included in the report for both 2012 and 2013. Past reports have noted that Canadian military sales to the U.S. were likely equal to, or exceeded, sales to all other states combined, although the government was unable to report a U.S total because military exports to the U.S do not require permits.

That's nice that I (mostly) need to fill out pages of US state department end-user paperwork if I want to buy anything from anyone that isn't already a registered exporter, but actual military exports don't require permits at all. YAY government!

I didn't think you were this intellectually dishonest, but I guess I was wrong.

I don't understand.

ITARs (AKA The Arms Export Act) is a US law. You (as a Canadian) have to deal with our State Depart to buy Munitions List items FROM the US.

ITARs does not apply in Canada to either the Canadian government or Canadian companies or Canadians buying or selling Canadian products ("arms") to Canadians or anyone else.

Items listed on the Munitions List purchased by American companies require US paperwork (Form 6, etc.) but apparently (according to your article) no paperwork from the Canadian government.

SO you're compalianing that you have to deal with the US law / regulations (ITARs) to buy Munitions List items FROM the US, but Canada doesn't have a similar law for exports TO the US.

Two different things.

Posted: 12/21/2014 6:40:34 PM EDT

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ITARs (AKA The Arms Export Act) is a US law. You (as a Canadian) have to deal with our State Depart to buy Munitions List items FROM the US.

ITARs does not apply in Canada to either the Canadian government or Canadian companies or Canadians buying or selling Canadian products ("arms") to Canadians or anyone else.

Items listed on the Munitions List purchased by American companies require US paperwork (Form 6, etc.) but apparently (according to your article) no paperwork from the Canadian government.

SO you're compalianing that you have to deal with the US law / regulations (ITARs) to buy Munitions List items FROM the US, but Canada doesn't have a similar law for exports TO the US.

Two different things.

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At $1.04 billion, the total value of military goods exported by Canada in 2012 is the largest ever reported since official documentation began in 1991.

As with all prior reports, the value of exports of military goods to the U.S. is not included in the report for both 2012 and 2013. Past reports have noted that Canadian military sales to the U.S. were likely equal to, or exceeded, sales to all other states combined, although the government was unable to report a U.S total because military exports to the U.S do not require permits.

That's nice that I (mostly) need to fill out pages of US state department end-user paperwork if I want to buy anything from anyone that isn't already a registered exporter, but actual military exports don't require permits at all. YAY government!

I didn't think you were this intellectually dishonest, but I guess I was wrong.

I don't understand.

ITARs (AKA The Arms Export Act) is a US law. You (as a Canadian) have to deal with our State Depart to buy Munitions List items FROM the US.

ITARs does not apply in Canada to either the Canadian government or Canadian companies or Canadians buying or selling Canadian products ("arms") to Canadians or anyone else.

Items listed on the Munitions List purchased by American companies require US paperwork (Form 6, etc.) but apparently (according to your article) no paperwork from the Canadian government.

SO you're compalianing that you have to deal with the US law / regulations (ITARs) to buy Munitions List items FROM the US, but Canada doesn't have a similar law for exports TO the US.

Two different things.

Canada and Canadians have to deal with the US ITAR law when buying most things out of the US.

My article said that there is no paperwork required for selling things to the US, and I'm saying that there is paperwork when you buy stuff there.

US ITAR laws should apply to both, no?

Anyways, it doesn't matter.

Posted: 12/21/2014 6:42:20 PM EDT

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Ouch.

Posted: 12/21/2014 6:56:46 PM EDT

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That's cute, maybe some day Canada will have a real defence industry.

Ouch.

I am doing my very best to establish a rifle building arsenal. I out-produced Husqvarna this year

Posted: 12/21/2014 6:59:36 PM EDT

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That's cute, maybe some day Canada will have a real defence industry.

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Lol...

You are blissfully ignorant of how much war making shit we sell.
Everything from FLIR systems to small arms to aviation.
There is one company nearby my workplace that builds parts for your Blackhawk helos... Near my home L3 has a huge facility... Colt Canada's factory is 30 min from where I sit right now.
IIRC most of the napalm used in Vietnam was made in Canada.

Posted: 12/21/2014 7:20:56 PM EDT

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Outside of govt arsenals and custom shops, are there any commercial manufacturers in Canada?

Posted: 12/21/2014 7:24:44 PM EDT

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Fluffy the cat has his own arsenal.

Posted: 12/21/2014 7:28:07 PM EDT

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Anyways, it doesn't matter.

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Ergo, this thread doesn't matter?

Posted: 12/21/2014 7:31:38 PM EDT

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I am not sure why there is an international border between Canada and the U.S. it should be like a state border. You know like when you drive into New Mexico where they post the pay schedule for speeding so you can decide how fast you want to drive.