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Posted: 12/21/2014 1:17:47 PM EDT
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The elevator shaft standing open and unguarded is a perfect slice of Mexican life.
Those people have absolutely no sense of trip and fall hazards. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 1:19:37 PM EDT
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But the food was great. Quote HistoryQuoted:
But the food was great. That was tree chicken by the way. Hunter: Hey, Danny, what are you doing? I buy you a fancy Mexican meal and you're feeding it to a mutt.
Danny: Real fancy. You have any idea what that is? Hunter: What? Danny: Tree chicken. Hunter: What? Danny: That's what the locals call it. Colds, headaches, hangovers - cures anything. Iguana. That's what they say. Hunter: What about indigestion? |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 1:20:57 PM EDT
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Pay better? in my uncles house the electrician used all black wiring, I guess he thought it would be funny for the next guy to have to figure out which wire was the hot one.
Also one thing I have noticed about Mexican contractors you have to be specific in what you want, in American we just say do it and it's done, there they have to go in thinking they have no common sense and draw everything you want out, possibly in crayon. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 1:21:31 PM EDT
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That was tree chicken by the way. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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But the food was great. That was tree chicken by the way. Hunter: Hey, Danny, what are you doing? I buy you a fancy Mexican meal and you're feeding it to a mutt.
Danny: Real fancy. You have any idea what that is? Hunter: What? Danny: Tree chicken. Hunter: What? Danny: That's what the locals call it. Colds, headaches, hangovers - cures anything. Iguana. That's what they say. Hunter: What about indigestion? I ate iguana once in Costa Rica with Scrambled Eggs and Beans and Rice. It was really good. 
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Posted: 12/21/2014 1:24:48 PM EDT
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Job security.
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Posted: 12/21/2014 1:27:34 PM EDT
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Lol, the outlets are crooked as shit. About what I would expect down there. Thats why you don't let 3rd worlders do anything that will be seen.
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Posted: 12/21/2014 1:29:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l313/ezecheese/726A0480-0024-45F9-9D50-5B67AE7ACE8E_zpsqbmyect5.jpg Ask the electrician to put some outlets at the bar for appliances,  the smartass installs like 5 of them right next to one anotherLOL.  |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 1:31:12 PM EDT
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How does socialism work? Well, you're seeing it in (non)action. Like the Soviet miner's quote. "They pretend to pay us and we pretend to work."
Mexico has a lot of problems, but socialism isn't one of them. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 1:34:16 PM EDT
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Mexico has a lot of problems, but socialism isn't one of them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How does socialism work? Well, you're seeing it in (non)action. Like the Soviet miner's quote. "They pretend to pay us and we pretend to work."
Mexico has a lot of problems, but socialism isn't one of them. Yeah , here in Mexico it is a version of capitalism that has gone really wrong. Corruption rules. No real legal system, especially in civil cases. Sometimes I almost miss gov regulations and fleets of lawyers. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 1:35:06 PM EDT
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Mexico has a lot of problems, but socialism isn't one of them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How does socialism work? Well, you're seeing it in (non)action. Like the Soviet miner's quote. "They pretend to pay us and we pretend to work."
Mexico has a lot of problems, but socialism isn't one of them. I'd argue that legacies and institutions of socialist ideology, however poorly enforced/maintained, are a good part of their problems. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 1:35:12 PM EDT
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My uncle was an engineer for a construction company that did lot of business in Mexico. He said, "The Mexican people are the people of the future because everything is always 'Manana, manana, manana.'" He said one time the supplier for steel to build a bridge in Mexico was a local place. In the contract was a penalty clause for some amount of money for every day the steel was late. In the end delivery was so late that they got the steel for free. The supplier actually owed them money to even take delivery but they agreed to just take the steel for free. I would have been afraid to accept the steel at all under those conditions just from a safety standpoint. si dios quiere = insha allah |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 1:36:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Mexican Americans, don't like to get up, in the morning, but they have to, so they do it real slow. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 1:39:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Jalisco. Lots of women though.  |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 1:54:51 PM EDT
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Ever seen white union members ,makes a quadriplegic blind mexican day labor look like a grease lightning That doesn't even makes fucking sense. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 2:00:20 PM EDT
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Yeah , here in Mexico it is a version of capitalism that has gone really wrong. Corruption rules. No real legal system, especially in civil cases. Sometimes I almost miss gov regulations and fleets of lawyers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How does socialism work? Well, you're seeing it in (non)action. Like the Soviet miner's quote. "They pretend to pay us and we pretend to work."
Mexico has a lot of problems, but socialism isn't one of them. Yeah , here in Mexico it is a version of capitalism that has gone really wrong. Corruption rules. No real legal system, especially in civil cases. Sometimes I almost miss gov regulations and fleets of lawyers. The reality of non-regulated markets and weak legal institutions tends to put a prick in many inflated expectations of Ayn Randian libertarian paradises. But, like the hardcore Communists who always has counter-revolutionaries to blame for not quite getting to their stateless utopia yet, the true believers will always have an excuse. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 2:04:58 PM EDT
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Yeah , here in Mexico it is a version of capitalism that has gone really wrong. Corruption rules. No real legal system, especially in civil cases. Sometimes I almost miss gov regulations and fleets of lawyers. That's one of the main reasons no one cares FA about leaving blatant trip fall hazards out in public walkways. It's very common in Mexico to have the washing machine on the roof under an awning. I can't count the number of times I saw dirty, soapy wash water pouring onto the sidewalk from a drain hose because se conviene. In Mexico you literally have to keep a lookout in a 3D sphere around your body.
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Posted: 12/21/2014 2:08:06 PM EDT
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They don't have a residential mortgage industry in Mexico so they build as they can afford it over the years instead of loading up on debt like we do. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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... ever drive deep into Mexico?You'll see mile after mile of unfinished structure. None of which would be to code here. God Bless America. Especially Mesa, Arizona They don't have a residential mortgage industry in Mexico so they build as they can afford it over the years instead of loading up on debt like we do. Apparently, they're also taxed at a lower rate until after the structure is completed - which is why many buildings remain in an indefinite state of "construction". Leave a little bit of rebar sticking out of the roof, and... |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 2:09:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well I was going to work into something like " all the fast ones made it across the border" or ICE couldn't catch the fast ones. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: there has to be a joke in there somehow? Well I was going to work into something like " all the fast ones made it across the border" or ICE couldn't catch the fast ones.  |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 2:12:59 PM EDT
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Mexican Americans, don't like to get up, in the morning, but they have to, so they do it real slow.  http://youtu.be/e2K-_2AHYh0Damn, you beat me to it 
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Posted: 12/21/2014 2:15:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Mexican Americans, don't like to get up, in the morning, but they have to, so they do it real slow.  |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 2:32:39 PM EDT
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National Geographic in the 80's had a seven year collections of nationalities work ethics, had Mexicans as the lowest production per man hour
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Posted: 12/21/2014 2:35:28 PM EDT
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I agree with OPs assessment. I have worked in mexico extensively....takes 10 of them to do anything.
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Posted: 12/21/2014 2:46:04 PM EDT
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http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l313/ezecheese/726A0480-0024-45F9-9D50-5B67AE7ACE8E_zpsqbmyect5.jpg Ask the electrician to put some outlets at the bar for appliances, the smartass installs like 5 of them right next to one anotherNow that's epic. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 2:47:35 PM EDT
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It's not get manual labor that has issues.
Worked on a big project with TelMex to get internet down in Mexico. The agreement was they would run fiber to the border and we would run our side down, then splice at the border. Mind you this was tens of miles of fiber. When the time came we discovered they had run multimode fiber because "it was a lot cheaper". Multi mode is for much shorter runs. It is not even all that much cheaper, most of the cost is in installation. Then they wanted to splice thier multimode fiber tobour singlemode to see if it would work. If there is a corner they will cut it.
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Posted: 12/21/2014 4:01:32 PM EDT
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Gun trucks with Mk19s are always patrolling the streets.
I can almost see a 240 or even a 50 but a MK19? |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 4:50:35 PM EDT
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Gun trucks with Mk19s are always patrolling the streets. http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l313/ezecheese/13FE3BB7-7F41-45CF-ACBF-35B3C4E10426_zpszpj1hjr0.jpg I can almost see a 240 or even a 50 but a MK19? Not too worried about collateral damage, I like their style. |
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Posted: 12/22/2014 1:27:15 PM EDT
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I spend a good bit of time down there and I've had to modify the old adage... God takes care of drunks, fools, and Mexicans. The shit I see people doing in Mexico and NOT dying is amazing. 2 adults, 2 infants on a moped on the freeway going 30 under the common speed? NO PROBLEM. Try that here, dead in minutes. Some of the shenanigans they pull with construction sites... unreal... but nothing ever happens. Open elevator shaft in a condo? No kids fall down it. Here? ALL the kids die.
It's really incredible. They have this poor-man ingenuity that we just cannot pull off in the norte. |
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Posted: 12/22/2014 3:18:53 PM EDT
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F-it it's Mexican time. Feliz Navidad.
Setting on the beach with a beer and surfing ar15.com |
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Posted: 12/22/2014 3:35:43 PM EDT
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White people problems....
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Posted: 12/22/2014 3:40:41 PM EDT
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F-it it's Mexican time. Feliz Navidad. http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l313/ezecheese/FC9ED76B-E51A-4D48-BE88-0838894B0107_zpsauaow82a.jpg Setting on the beach with a beer and surfing ar15.com Feliz Navidad 
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Posted: 12/22/2014 3:42:46 PM EDT
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I'd argue that legacies and institutions of socialist ideology, however poorly enforced/maintained, are a good part of their problems. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How does socialism work? Well, you're seeing it in (non)action. Like the Soviet miner's quote. "They pretend to pay us and we pretend to work."
Mexico has a lot of problems, but socialism isn't one of them. I'd argue that legacies and institutions of socialist ideology, however poorly enforced/maintained, are a good part of their problems. I can go get all the former Mexican families that fled socialism in Mexico in the 70s and settled north of Houston to help you with that argument if you need. (The area is easy to find demographically--87%+ Mexican and much lower than average crime.) |
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Posted: 12/22/2014 3:42:49 PM EDT
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Where are you? Otis elevator has a branch in TJ. Very compitent and quick workers. Jalisco Hey, I'll be in Lagos De Moreno, Jalisco in March for my cousin's wedding. How far are you from Lagos? Let's grab a beer if you're close by. My cousin was telling me that Lagos has been designated a Pueblo Magico (historical town) and that they have totally re-done the town. |
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Posted: 12/22/2014 3:52:59 PM EDT
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I love this line. Except I have some nasty toe fungus. Time for these dogs to get some sun. 
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Posted: 12/22/2014 3:59:08 PM EDT
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Damn, bro, you need some of them pills to kill that stuff. Lol. I'm pretty sure you can find some OTC in Mexico! (I had that stuff and took some pills, which got rid of it, but my liver wasn't too happy!).
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Posted: 12/22/2014 4:02:16 PM EDT
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How old is the building?
Jalisco can experience some powerful quakes. |
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Posted: 12/22/2014 4:07:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, went to the Bahamas once. Took a tour of Grand Bahama. Out away from town there were some unfinished houses. The guide said the owners would build them themselves and progress as funds allowed. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: ... ever drive deep into Mexico?You'll see mile after mile of unfinished structure. None of which would be to code here. God Bless America. Especially Mesa, Arizona They don't have a residential mortgage industry in Mexico so they build as they can afford it over the years instead of loading up on debt like we do. Imagine what will happen to their economy if they ever get contract enforceability and a mortgage industry! Yeah, went to the Bahamas once. Took a tour of Grand Bahama. Out away from town there were some unfinished houses. The guide said the owners would build them themselves and progress as funds allowed. My one experience with Mexico is there is half-finished construction all over the place. The hotel two doors down from the one I was in was just a cement shell with squatters living in it.
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Posted: 12/22/2014 4:08:06 PM EDT
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They don't have a residential mortgage industry in Mexico so they build as they can afford it over the years instead of loading up on debt like we do. Imagine what will happen to their economy if they ever get contract enforceability and a mortgage industry! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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... ever drive deep into Mexico?You'll see mile after mile of unfinished structure. None of which would be to code here. God Bless America. Especially Mesa, Arizona They don't have a residential mortgage industry in Mexico so they build as they can afford it over the years instead of loading up on debt like we do. Imagine what will happen to their economy if they ever get contract enforceability and a mortgage industry! The world's fastest mortgage industry collapse? 
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Posted: 12/22/2014 4:16:34 PM EDT
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Where are you? Otis elevator has a branch in TJ. Very compitent and quick workers. Jalisco Great food in them parts!
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Posted: 12/22/2014 4:28:50 PM EDT
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OP, I'd send about six wheelbarrow loads of rock up and down that thing for a few days before I'd trust it with my life. I'm just sayin',
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Posted: 12/22/2014 4:58:36 PM EDT
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The timing of this thread is ironic because I've been working with a major manufacturing consulting firm and one of the consultants who flies down to Mexico weekly is trying to get productivity up in a US firm that operates there as well.
He basically said its a cultural issue down there. It's not that they are being lazy either, they just lack productivity urgency, at least in comparison to most US workers. Sort of hard to explain, but I get where he is coming from. I'll be in more meetings with them tomorrow BTW. Seems the big fail (reoccurring theme) in the US according to these consultants is communication between management and the shop floor. Which I can attest to that having worked on both ends. Again this is due to a long standing management vs worker cultural issue here in the US which is a thing to hard to break through. It's interesting to hear these barriers to productivity, both here and outside the US that manufactures face. |
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Posted: 12/22/2014 5:20:41 PM EDT
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You couldn't pay me enough to go to Mexico.. let alone live there... ever. I certainly wouldn't get in an elevator there. They probably would like to finish your elevator but they're probably too busy being in a bunch of different pieces tied up in a garbage bag and buried in some remote area... That'd be my guess.
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Posted: 12/22/2014 5:21:54 PM EDT
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Why would you want to use an elevator that was put together by someone making $3 an hour. Here you are bitching about workers that are making maybe $100 or two for the whole job. That's for all the workers to share.
Do your self a favor and take the stairs. When the elevator craps out you will be bitching about why didn't the guys build it better and safer for $3 an hour. You get what you pay for. Besides would you show up to work for that pay? |
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Posted: 12/22/2014 5:53:59 PM EDT
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Why would you want to use an elevator that was put together by someone making $3 an hour. Here you are bitching about workers that are making maybe $100 or two for the whole job. That's for all the workers to share. Do your self a favor and take the stairs. When the elevator craps out you will be bitching about why didn't the guys build it better and safer for $3 an hour. You get what you pay for. Besides would you show up to work for that pay? And you know how much I paid for this elevator? 
I paid the market rate. Probably more because these are the few guys in these parts. Are you a union worker by any chance? It was a fixed price lump sum contract for this elevator, what the owner of the company pays his employees is none of my business. The installer is losing profits on this because his crew is not productive. |
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Posted: 12/22/2014 6:36:45 PM EDT
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And you know how much I paid for this elevator?
I paid the market rate. Probably more because these are the few guys in these parts. Are you a union worker by any chance? It was a fixed price lump sum contract for this elevator, what the owner of the company pays his employees is none of my business. The installer is losing profits on this because his crew is not productive. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why would you want to use an elevator that was put together by someone making $3 an hour. Here you are bitching about workers that are making maybe $100 or two for the whole job. That's for all the workers to share. Do your self a favor and take the stairs. When the elevator craps out you will be bitching about why didn't the guys build it better and safer for $3 an hour. You get what you pay for. Besides would you show up to work for that pay? And you know how much I paid for this elevator?
I paid the market rate. Probably more because these are the few guys in these parts. Are you a union worker by any chance? It was a fixed price lump sum contract for this elevator, what the owner of the company pays his employees is none of my business. The installer is losing profits on this because his crew is not productive. If the owner is paying his workers a fixed price for the job then he is not loosing any money. The only one loosing is you. You pay $20K (example) and he takes his time. Unless you have a contract that penalizes the owner for not completing the job on time. I use to own my own small contract business and I saw this a thousand times with other businesses. For example, several roofers would charge $7000 for a new roof and the workers would get $500 to 1000 for the total job for all the workers to share. If it took 3 days or if it took them 2 weeks. They still get paid the same. The owner still makes his money no matter what. Standard practice is to get half or more up front and start the job and then move the people to another job. Once you pay they have you. Sure they will finish but usually it will take longer and lots of times they will tell you that they need more money due to several factors. I would hear all kinds of stories like this. I was hired dozens of times to complete jobs that other started but never finished. It was really sad. I am sure you paid good money and I hate to see this happen to anyone. But I hope your contract has you covered on completion date and errors in workmanship. You may not think that what they get paid is your problem but your the one riding the elevator. |
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Posted: 12/22/2014 6:43:23 PM EDT
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Pics of Mexican women? I have a Mexican woman but always appreciate the pics.
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Posted: 12/22/2014 6:48:12 PM EDT
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Jalisco has the finest women in Mexico and tons of tequila. I wouldn't let a busted elevator ruin my day.
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Posted: 12/22/2014 6:50:25 PM EDT
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Where are you? Otis elevator has a branch in TJ. Very compitent and quick workers. Jalisco Great food in them parts! Try a torta ahogada. Prepare your anus. |
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Posted: 12/22/2014 6:54:27 PM EDT
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Pics of Mexican women? I have a Mexican woman but always appreciate the pics. Last night. 
Didn't want to get to creeper on them. They do look really good here. |
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Posted: 12/22/2014 7:00:38 PM EDT
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Jalisco has the finest women in Mexico and tons of tequila. I wouldn't let a busted elevator ruin my day. Thanks. No big deal. I guess I will have to get back to hanging out in the beach and stuff. 
I wonder if I should pay these dudes the same as the Rolling Stones to perform for me on the beach, I mean who would play music for 200 pesos? |
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Posted: 12/22/2014 7:02:58 PM EDT
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Have they finished the road in Cancun? In front of The Blue Bay Village , Yet?
In the three years between our honeymoon, and 3 year aniversery they were not done. Wonder if it's done 18 years later.
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