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Posted: 12/21/2014 12:03:29 AM EDT
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I think JV is a true patriot and FYI Don Shipley AND Marcus Luttrell stand behind his UDT/SEAL status. I also do not believe that JV has ever put down the vets. Then you haven't been paying much attention to what Jesse says. Maybe I just hear it more because he's a Minnesotan and his shenanigans get more attention in the local media here, but he sure as shit did say disparaging things about the military and soldiers. He made a goddamn career out of it until his shitty show got cancelled. Still don't believe me or NavyDoc's quotes? Go hit up his youtube channel and hear it from the horse's mouth. https://www.youtube.com/user/VenturaOffGrid Maybe soldiers should bring a class action against him for making money slandering all of us. He got elected gov here before he started in on the crazy conspiracy stuff and it didn't take long for people here to figure out he wasn't a very good governor. He did not get reelected and he gets made fun of pretty regularly here. One local radio station airs "bits" every Friday of funny parody Jesse quotes. 
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Posted: 12/21/2014 12:09:09 AM EDT
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[div style='text-align: left;'] And if I'd been saying that type of crap for years on TV and interviews, my lawsuit against your "defamation" would not stand up and your comment would have not hurt my reputation any more than the stuff I've already said myself. People here would laugh at your accusation because they know I don't say shit like that. However, if I did post shit like that for years, they'd say I got was coming. Jessie was getting the cold shoulder long before Kyle due to his 9/11 truther and the American soldiers are nothing but corporate mercenaries crap. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In civil court one has to prove fiscal damages to receive damages. What damages did he get other than getting the cold shoulder form a group of "corporate mercenaries" (per Jesse) that were getting rapidly tired of his crap ALREADY? How would you feel if I started a thread in GD stating that I invited you over to my house for a few beers, but you started talking about how you think the navy should deserve to "lose a few guys." Then said I kicked your ass, wrote a book about it and made millions of dollars, while you got banned and disowned by other vets. Cool with you? JV character is not what is in question. Kyle lied about JV, which damaged his reputation, and Kyle made money off of it. Those are the facts. Justice is blind for a reason. And if I'd been saying that type of crap for years on TV and interviews, my lawsuit against your "defamation" would not stand up and your comment would have not hurt my reputation any more than the stuff I've already said myself. People here would laugh at your accusation because they know I don't say shit like that. However, if I did post shit like that for years, they'd say I got was coming. Jessie was getting the cold shoulder long before Kyle due to his 9/11 truther and the American soldiers are nothing but corporate mercenaries crap. Kyle told a BS story about beating up a former UDT member turned nut job that is a common name so it would help Kyle push more books. The body called him out as a buddy fucker and the courts agreed with him. Is JV a nut job? absolutely. Did Kyle tell a made up story to make money? absolutely. He should have left that shit out of the book along with a few other stories. Chris Kyle is a huge stud and the truth was more then enough when it comes to a amazing story. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 12:21:28 AM EDT
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It's the estate, not her personally. Being a liar has consequences no matter what your service record has in it. Seeing that his widow is the beneficiary of the estate it is a distinction without a difference. I really have a hard time believing that Kyle's original statement harmed Ventura to the tune of $1.8M. However, it is certainly possible that Ventura's subsequent lawsuit might have done that much self inflicted damage. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 3:51:35 AM EDT
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He wasn't a good governor, but your state elected Al Frankin? I am not sure his electibility has anything to do with his governing capabilities.
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Then you haven't been paying much attention to what Jesse says. Maybe I just hear it more because he's a Minnesotan and his shenanigans get more attention in the local media here, but he sure as shit did say disparaging things about the military and soldiers. He made a goddamn career out of it until his shitty show got cancelled. Still don't believe me or NavyDoc's quotes? Go hit up his youtube channel and hear it from the horse's mouth. https://www.youtube.com/user/VenturaOffGrid Maybe soldiers should bring a class action against him for making money slandering all of us. He got elected gov here before he started in on the crazy conspiracy stuff and it didn't take long for people here to figure out he wasn't a very good governor. He did not get reelected and he gets made fun of pretty regularly here. One local radio station airs "bits" every Friday of funny parody Jesse quotes.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKuTM1XGekQ&index=1&list=PL3BE40B6FF53A5A38Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think JV is a true patriot and FYI Don Shipley AND Marcus Luttrell stand behind his UDT/SEAL status. I also do not believe that JV has ever put down the vets. Then you haven't been paying much attention to what Jesse says. Maybe I just hear it more because he's a Minnesotan and his shenanigans get more attention in the local media here, but he sure as shit did say disparaging things about the military and soldiers. He made a goddamn career out of it until his shitty show got cancelled. Still don't believe me or NavyDoc's quotes? Go hit up his youtube channel and hear it from the horse's mouth. https://www.youtube.com/user/VenturaOffGrid Maybe soldiers should bring a class action against him for making money slandering all of us. He got elected gov here before he started in on the crazy conspiracy stuff and it didn't take long for people here to figure out he wasn't a very good governor. He did not get reelected and he gets made fun of pretty regularly here. One local radio station airs "bits" every Friday of funny parody Jesse quotes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKuTM1XGekQ&index=1&list=PL3BE40B6FF53A5A38 |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 4:04:47 AM EDT
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Amen! Problem is a bunch of the leg humping gear queers here believe anything when it comes to one of their blessed specops guys. Truth has come out that Kyle was full of shit and lied so fuck'em, let his estate pay for his stupidity. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How much did the movie and book make? Kyle said that stuff pimping the book Amen! Problem is a bunch of the leg humping gear queers here believe anything when it comes to one of their blessed specops guys. Truth has come out that Kyle was full of shit and lied so fuck'em, let his estate pay for his stupidity. Could you be any more jealous and butthurt? It's no ones fault but your own that you couldn't do anything more high speed than the coast guard. lol it's like you want us all to know that you're jealous. FFS dude |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 4:43:52 AM EDT
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He wasn't a good governor, but your state elected Al Frankin? I am not sure his electibility has anything to do with his governing capabilities. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think JV is a true patriot and FYI Don Shipley AND Marcus Luttrell stand behind his UDT/SEAL status. I also do not believe that JV has ever put down the vets. Then you haven't been paying much attention to what Jesse says. Maybe I just hear it more because he's a Minnesotan and his shenanigans get more attention in the local media here, but he sure as shit did say disparaging things about the military and soldiers. He made a goddamn career out of it until his shitty show got cancelled. Still don't believe me or NavyDoc's quotes? Go hit up his youtube channel and hear it from the horse's mouth. https://www.youtube.com/user/VenturaOffGrid Maybe soldiers should bring a class action against him for making money slandering all of us. He got elected gov here before he started in on the crazy conspiracy stuff and it didn't take long for people here to figure out he wasn't a very good governor. He did not get reelected and he gets made fun of pretty regularly here. One local radio station airs "bits" every Friday of funny parody Jesse quotes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKuTM1XGekQ&index=1&list=PL3BE40B6FF53A5A38There are a lot of star struck people in this state. And for the record, Franken's first election was due to fraud, and then it's tough to unseat an incumbent who was more embarrassing before his first election than after it. People voted for a man who had been pictured wearing a diaper. What could he do in office to lose their vote? Venture's election was different. He didn't expect to win, he ran because he hated his licence fees for his cars. It was a bit to him and nobody took him seriously. I grew up in Minnesota, but was living in California when he was elected. They showed the candidate's debates on TV in California, and Ventura won those debates. He didn't do it on substance, he basically pointed at the other two candidates and said, "Do you really want more of this"? He won the battle of the soundbites. He energized people who had never paid attention to politics and hadn't voted before. He didn't run to win and didn't expect to win. When he was informed he had won, he didn't have a transition team in place. It took him awhile to come up with people for the team. And then once he got a bill passed and signed which lowered car license fees, he basically checked out as governor and started doing whatever strange thing he wanted, such as being color commentator for the XFL. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 4:59:51 AM EDT
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Play stupid games and your family may win stupid prizes. I'm going with this.... I did not get the book and I'm not bothered about seeing the movie either....Way too much horn blowing and cashing-in to suit me. Jessie won't be getting any of my money so there's that. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 5:40:38 AM EDT
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I don't have a dog in the fight because I don't care either way. But after reading Kyle's book it was pretty clear the dude thought extremely highly of himself and was only out to cash in afterwards. What I do find amusing is that I do believe he'd have been just as successful without the filler fantasy stories in his book that clearly never happened...
I bought the book... I'll see the movie... But at the same time I lost a bit of respect for the outright lies/exaggerations which were completely unnecessary. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 5:42:03 AM EDT
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LOL, the bullshit that some of you people are posting.
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Posted: 12/21/2014 7:49:56 AM EDT
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And Vebturas lies about "brainwashed corporate shill veterans" and "faked 9/11 to make money for Bush" to sell a TV show, books, and interviews is acceptable? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think the whole thing is stupid. What evidence is there that Chris Kyle lied or didn't lie? Did he really use the Ventura barfight thing as a sales pitch for his book? He did lie and he did it to sell the book. He told Bill O'reilly it was Ventura. http://youtu.be/VU5MLcWXzfo?t=20s
And both are veterans. I'm no big fan of Ventura, but Ventura was libeled/slandered, and Kyle used the lies to sell the book. And Vebturas lies about "brainwashed corporate shill veterans" and "faked 9/11 to make money for Bush" to sell a TV show, books, and interviews is acceptable? No, but If you read what I said, I said I'm no fan of Ventura either. 
If Kyle was such a great guy, why did he have to lie to sell books? Shouldn't the truth do it? Makes you wonder how much of the persona is true. 
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Posted: 12/21/2014 8:07:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Then he would be yet another loudmouth SEAL struck down by fame and fate. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I wouldn't feel bad if something terrible happened to Jesse Ventura. I heard a live interview with a retired Seal; a Captain, on National Public Radio. He said JV was trained in under water demolition, which is ONE of the MANY things the Seals receive training for. JV got trained in UD at the same time as some REAL Navy Seals, and he's been lying about it ever since. And this Captain said that JV NEVER had any active duty in or around Vietnam, during the war. Just another thing that fuck face asshole lied about |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 9:29:46 AM EDT
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When a person creates a 20+ career on lie after lie after lie and in his radical "libertarian" stance has denigrated Iraq veterans multiple times as being mercenaries and corporate shills, I tend not to believe him in "this one instance." The guy is a whole bundle of insane falsehoods wrapped together. He even thinks the moon landing by the Apollo program was a government conspiracy hoax. Anyone who believes a single word out of that man's mouth is an idiot. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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FPNI Nobody seems to remember JV and all the media time he got saying 9-11 was an inside job. Or HARP being a government weather control device or that the military in Iraq were the duped mercenaries of a corporate plot and thus traitors. Did anyone even watch one of his crappy shows on TV? No one watched that show, the things he is on record saying do seem to make you wonder what he might have said or what grief stricken badasses might have thought he said. To me it was in poor taste for him to continue on with the suit after Kyle was killed, but that falls in line with most of his career choices since Predator. When a person creates a 20+ career on lie after lie after lie and in his radical "libertarian" stance has denigrated Iraq veterans multiple times as being mercenaries and corporate shills, I tend not to believe him in "this one instance." The guy is a whole bundle of insane falsehoods wrapped together. He even thinks the moon landing by the Apollo program was a government conspiracy hoax. Anyone who believes a single word out of that man's mouth is an idiot. +1 JV is batshit crazy. who gives a shit what he said happened. I'm sure in his warped sense of reality he remembers it different. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 9:52:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That fuck face JV was NEVER a Navy Seal. | I heard a live interview with a retired Seal; a Captain, on National Public Radio. He said JV was trained in under water demolition, which is ONE of the MANY things the Seals receive training for. JV got trained in UD at the same time as some REAL Navy Seals, and he's been lying about it ever since. And this Captain said that JV NEVER had any active duty in or around Vietnam, during the war. Just another thing that fuck face asshole lied about Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I wouldn't feel bad if something terrible happened to Jesse Ventura. I heard a live interview with a retired Seal; a Captain, on National Public Radio. He said JV was trained in under water demolition, which is ONE of the MANY things the Seals receive training for. JV got trained in UD at the same time as some REAL Navy Seals, and he's been lying about it ever since. And this Captain said that JV NEVER had any active duty in or around Vietnam, during the war. Just another thing that fuck face asshole lied about |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 10:03:01 AM EDT
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It's the estate, not her personally. Being a liar has consequences no matter what your service record has in it. This, but a large portion of GD will ignore the facts just because of who is involved on both sides. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 10:08:02 AM EDT
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Kyle told a BS story about beating up a former UDT member turned nut job that is a common name so it would help Kyle push more books. The body called him out as a buddy fucker and the courts agreed with him. Is JV a nut job? absolutely. Did Kyle tell a made up story to make money? absolutely. He should have left that shit out of the book along with a few other stories. Chris Kyle is a huge stud and the truth was more then enough when it comes to a amazing story. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Kyle told a BS story about beating up a former UDT member turned nut job that is a common name so it would help Kyle push more books. The body called him out as a buddy fucker and the courts agreed with him. Is JV a nut job? absolutely. Did Kyle tell a made up story to make money? absolutely. He should have left that shit out of the book along with a few other stories. Chris Kyle is a huge stud and the truth was more then enough when it comes to a amazing story. Totally false post. Witnesses testified under oath that JV was in an altercation with Chris Kyle. Witnesses rebut Ventura's assertion that fight was a lie John Kelly III, dressed in full U.S. Navy SEAL uniform, testified next and said that he saw Ventura lying on his back on a sidewalk outside McP’s moments after Ventura faced off with Kyle.
Kelly, a special operator 1st class SEAL, said that he had seen Kyle facing Ventura moments earlier, but did not see Kyle punch Ventura. Former SEAL Lt. Cmdr. Andrew Paul said he saw a commotion, then saw Ventura get up from the patio floor and yell that he was going to kill Chris Kyle.
Afterward, Paul said, “Chris told me, ‘Jesse was running his mouth and I punched him.’” http://www.startribune.com/local/267170441.html |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 10:54:35 AM EDT
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Totally false post. Witnesses testified under oath that JV was in an altercation with Chris Kyle. Witnesses rebut Ventura's assertion that fight was a lie http://www.startribune.com/local/267170441.html Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Kyle told a BS story about beating up a former UDT member turned nut job that is a common name so it would help Kyle push more books. The body called him out as a buddy fucker and the courts agreed with him. Is JV a nut job? absolutely. Did Kyle tell a made up story to make money? absolutely. He should have left that shit out of the book along with a few other stories. Chris Kyle is a huge stud and the truth was more then enough when it comes to a amazing story. Totally false post. Witnesses testified under oath that JV was in an altercation with Chris Kyle. Witnesses rebut Ventura's assertion that fight was a lie John Kelly III, dressed in full U.S. Navy SEAL uniform, testified next and said that he saw Ventura lying on his back on a sidewalk outside McP’s moments after Ventura faced off with Kyle.
Kelly, a special operator 1st class SEAL, said that he had seen Kyle facing Ventura moments earlier, but did not see Kyle punch Ventura. Former SEAL Lt. Cmdr. Andrew Paul said he saw a commotion, then saw Ventura get up from the patio floor and yell that he was going to kill Chris Kyle.
Afterward, Paul said, “Chris told me, ‘Jesse was running his mouth and I punched him.’” http://www.startribune.com/local/267170441.html What's also kind of funny is that I keep hearing about him claiming to have killed some carjackers. I've asked several times for that interview link and no one can provide it. He's been accused of a lot of stuff, and none of us were there for any of it to know one way or another. All the accusations could be true. But I've never seen proof that he lied. Yet a lot of people are 100% sure he did. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 11:03:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:I don't have a dog in the fight, but it seems to me that for some reason, people really want to hate on Kyle and assume it never happened, despite lots if witnesses claiming it did or probably did based on what they saw.
What's also kind of funny is that I keep hearing about him claiming to have killed some carjackers. I've asked several times for that interview link and no one can provide it. He's been accused of a lot of stuff, and none of us were there for any of it to know one way or another. All the accusations could be true. But I've never seen proof that he lied. Yet a lot of people are 100% sure he did. My impression/opinion is that many of these JV Fanboys know of Jesse Ventura from movies, wrestling, Alex Jones "ChemTrails", and his bizarre 9/11 conspiracy theories. They don't really know Chris Kyle, so they have a natural inclination to go with the known quantity. Perhaps, they use to masturbate to Ventura or really believe that thermite paint was applied to World Trade Center construction in the 1970's in preparation for George Bush's evil plan in 2001. 
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Posted: 12/21/2014 11:06:27 AM EDT
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I don't have a dog in the fight, but it seems to me that for some reason, people really want to hate on Kyle and assume it never happened, despite lots if witnesses claiming it did or probably did based on what they saw. What's also kind of funny is that I keep hearing about him claiming to have killed some carjackers. I've asked several times for that interview link and no one can provide it. He's been accused of a lot of stuff, and none of us were there for any of it to know one way or another. All the accusations could be true. But I've never seen proof that he lied. Yet a lot of people are 100% sure he did. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Kyle told a BS story about beating up a former UDT member turned nut job that is a common name so it would help Kyle push more books. The body called him out as a buddy fucker and the courts agreed with him. Is JV a nut job? absolutely. Did Kyle tell a made up story to make money? absolutely. He should have left that shit out of the book along with a few other stories. Chris Kyle is a huge stud and the truth was more then enough when it comes to a amazing story. Totally false post. Witnesses testified under oath that JV was in an altercation with Chris Kyle. Witnesses rebut Ventura's assertion that fight was a lie John Kelly III, dressed in full U.S. Navy SEAL uniform, testified next and said that he saw Ventura lying on his back on a sidewalk outside McP’s moments after Ventura faced off with Kyle.
Kelly, a special operator 1st class SEAL, said that he had seen Kyle facing Ventura moments earlier, but did not see Kyle punch Ventura. Former SEAL Lt. Cmdr. Andrew Paul said he saw a commotion, then saw Ventura get up from the patio floor and yell that he was going to kill Chris Kyle.
Afterward, Paul said, “Chris told me, ‘Jesse was running his mouth and I punched him.’” http://www.startribune.com/local/267170441.html What's also kind of funny is that I keep hearing about him claiming to have killed some carjackers. I've asked several times for that interview link and no one can provide it. He's been accused of a lot of stuff, and none of us were there for any of it to know one way or another. All the accusations could be true. But I've never seen proof that he lied. Yet a lot of people are 100% sure he did. The question was never whether or not there was a physical altercation/fight or who beat up who. The question was whether or not Ventura SAID the things that Kyle claimed he did. Everyone had a chance to present their argument and evidence in court, and the finding was that Kyle lied about what was said. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 11:08:12 AM EDT
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JesseVentura--douchebag fraud extrodinare. +1 He is disgusting. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 11:09:47 AM EDT
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What's also kind of funny is that I keep hearing about him claiming to have killed some carjackers. I've asked several times for that interview link and no one can provide it. You mean this? |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 11:18:28 AM EDT
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I guess that's the annoying part: He was a legend, so why in any way blemish that with lying? Just doesn't make any sense. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I watched that video when it was first aired and believed every word of it. It paints a completely different picture of Chris Kyle when you know every word is a fabrication.
I own the book and will most likely go see the movie, but my opinion of him is quite a bit different than before. He didn't need to make that shit up to sell that book. I guess that's the annoying part: He was a legend, so why in any way blemish that with lying? Just doesn't make any sense. Sure it does, stories like this create publicity, controversy and ultimately, sell books. Most people had never heard of him before this story, regardless of what he did in the military. I would suspect most people still don't know who he is. Same with Marcus Luttrell, most Americans didn't know his story until the movie came out and it became a buzz. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 11:34:01 AM EDT
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The question was never whether or not there was a physical altercation/fight or who beat up who. The question was whether or not Ventura SAID the things that Kyle claimed he did. Everyone had a chance to present their argument and evidence in court, and the finding was that Kyle lied about what was said. If a trial court was always flawless there wouldn't be a need for an appellate system. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 11:36:43 AM EDT
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This has become an interesting story to watch, especially when seeing everyone's emotionally based slants.
Jesse Ventura is a douchebag. Chris Kyle is a hero. Chris Kyle lied about JV, effectively slandering him. It was obvious, and it was proven in court. CK can be a hero and still make up stories. So the estate, insurance company, and whoever else is responsible should pay the penalty and move on. I'll still go see the movie. I'll still view CK as a hero who did a lot of good things, just with the caveat that he liked to make stuff up. It doesn't negate what he did. And remember the emotional bias of others. This is a prime example. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 11:44:27 AM EDT
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There are a lot of star struck people in this state. And for the record, Franken's first election was due to fraud, and then it's tough to unseat an incumbent who was more embarrassing before his first election than after it. People voted for a man who had been pictured wearing a diaper. What could he do in office to lose their vote? Venture's election was different. He didn't expect to win, he ran because he hated his licence fees for his cars. It was a bit to him and nobody took him seriously. I grew up in Minnesota, but was living in California when he was elected. They showed the candidate's debates on TV in California, and Ventura won those debates. He didn't do it on substance, he basically pointed at the other two candidates and said, "Do you really want more of this"? He won the battle of the soundbites. He energized people who had never paid attention to politics and hadn't voted before. He didn't run to win and didn't expect to win. When he was informed he had won, he didn't have a transition team in place. It took him awhile to come up with people for the team. And then once he got a bill passed and signed which lowered car license fees, he basically checked out as governor and started doing whatever strange thing he wanted, such as being color commentator for the XFL. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think JV is a true patriot and FYI Don Shipley AND Marcus Luttrell stand behind his UDT/SEAL status. I also do not believe that JV has ever put down the vets. Then you haven't been paying much attention to what Jesse says. Maybe I just hear it more because he's a Minnesotan and his shenanigans get more attention in the local media here, but he sure as shit did say disparaging things about the military and soldiers. He made a goddamn career out of it until his shitty show got cancelled. Still don't believe me or NavyDoc's quotes? Go hit up his youtube channel and hear it from the horse's mouth. https://www.youtube.com/user/VenturaOffGrid Maybe soldiers should bring a class action against him for making money slandering all of us. He got elected gov here before he started in on the crazy conspiracy stuff and it didn't take long for people here to figure out he wasn't a very good governor. He did not get reelected and he gets made fun of pretty regularly here. One local radio station airs "bits" every Friday of funny parody Jesse quotes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKuTM1XGekQ&index=1&list=PL3BE40B6FF53A5A38There are a lot of star struck people in this state. And for the record, Franken's first election was due to fraud, and then it's tough to unseat an incumbent who was more embarrassing before his first election than after it. People voted for a man who had been pictured wearing a diaper. What could he do in office to lose their vote? Venture's election was different. He didn't expect to win, he ran because he hated his licence fees for his cars. It was a bit to him and nobody took him seriously. I grew up in Minnesota, but was living in California when he was elected. They showed the candidate's debates on TV in California, and Ventura won those debates. He didn't do it on substance, he basically pointed at the other two candidates and said, "Do you really want more of this"? He won the battle of the soundbites. He energized people who had never paid attention to politics and hadn't voted before. He didn't run to win and didn't expect to win. When he was informed he had won, he didn't have a transition team in place. It took him awhile to come up with people for the team. And then once he got a bill passed and signed which lowered car license fees, he basically checked out as governor and started doing whatever strange thing he wanted, such as being color commentator for the XFL. Bobp that was a very persuasive rebuttal. I am not familiar with his accomplishments as Governor, but if that is true I would be very disappointed with his performance as well. However, your state is a left leaning state, so I would imagine that any legislation that leans right would be a very difficult task. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 11:45:59 AM EDT
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The question was never whether or not there was a physical altercation/fight or who beat up who. The question was whether or not Ventura SAID the things that Kyle claimed he did. Everyone had a chance to present their argument and evidence in court, and the finding was that Kyle lied about what was said. If a trial court was always flawless there wouldn't be a need for an appellate system. In addition, people forget that civil court has a much weaker standard of proof than a criminal court. We've all followed this case and I can't see how JV proved his claim, much less 2 million in damages. IMHO we had a jury of illogical people who were swayed by the presence of celebrity in the courtroom and the absence of the defendant. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 11:47:23 AM EDT
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NPR had an interview with his widow and Bradly Cooper this morning. I don't know if they discussed this....I came in late. It was a good interview though. Cooper seems like a class act.
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Posted: 12/21/2014 11:49:24 AM EDT
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It's the estate, not her personally. Being a liar has consequences no matter what your service record has in it. Absolutely. If any in GD were pubically shamed in a book that had no truth GD would tell the OP to sue the crap out of the liar and clear their name. It sad that Kyle died and he was/is a hero but anytime you publish a lie you become less of a hero. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 11:54:00 AM EDT
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The question was never whether or not there was a physical altercation/fight or who beat up who. The question was whether or not Ventura SAID the things that Kyle claimed he did. Everyone had a chance to present their argument and evidence in court, and the finding was that Kyle lied about what was said. If a trial court was always flawless there wouldn't be a need for an appellate system. Sure, and I am sure his widow/estate/insurance are using the law to the fullest extent, just like the Venture douchebag. I was primarily pointing out that whether or not there was a FIGHT, is not really relevant. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 11:54:34 AM EDT
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Its a shame he died but that doesnt give the beneficiaries of his estate a free pass to benefit from the defamation of someone elses character. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's the estate, not her personally. Being a liar has consequences no matter what your service record has in it. Semantics. Who is the beneficiary of the Estate?  Its a shame he died but that doesnt give the beneficiaries of his estate a free pass to benefit from the defamation of someone elses character. But punishing person A for the actions of a dead person B is ok? |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 11:57:13 AM EDT
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I feel like I'm stuck in an episode of "Groundhog Day".
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Posted: 12/21/2014 12:01:09 PM EDT
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But punishing person A for the actions of a dead person B is ok? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's the estate, not her personally. Being a liar has consequences no matter what your service record has in it. Semantics. Who is the beneficiary of the Estate? Its a shame he died but that doesnt give the beneficiaries of his estate a free pass to benefit from the defamation of someone elses character. But punishing person A for the actions of a dead person B is ok? Yes, A = B in this equation. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 12:05:14 PM EDT
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JessieVenturasadouchesaywhat?
Yeah, I know Kyle was talking shit. I don't fucking care. He's dead. Jessie could show some fucking class, for once in his miserable life. I don't believe for a second that he can't go to SEAL gatherings because he'd "have to watch his back" now. Everyone there know knows he's an anti-American douche, too. He hardly tries to hide his tin-foil bullshit theories about the country. That bothers me a whole lot more than something the supposedly told Chris Kyle in a bar. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 12:08:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. When you take emotion out of it Jesse Ventura was the one who was slandered by Chris Kyle. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How much did the movie and book make? Kyle said that stuff pimping the book This. When you take emotion out of it Jesse Ventura was the one who was slandered by Chris Kyle. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 12:10:55 PM EDT
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How much did the movie and book make? Kyle said that stuff pimping the book Can I sue Jessie for insinuating the American government was complicit in the killing of ~3000 Americans on 9/11, while pimping his conspiracy show? Seriously? Guys in living in glass houses and all. As far as I'm concerned, Jessie has nothing to bitch about. There's no way he actually believes ALL of the bullshit he says. Jessie NOW has a problem with people saying shit that isn't true? Yeah, yeah, I know Kyle said it about HIM. So? Is there anyone out there who actually thought less of Jessie, after the Kyle story came out? How can a trashed reputation be harmed? I already knew he was clown shoes. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 12:16:29 PM EDT
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I wouldn't feel bad if something terrible happened to Jesse Ventura. IIRC, JV was never a combat SEAL. He was UDT and spent most of the Vietnam War based out of Subic Bay, or something like that. It was one of those things where he never came out and said, "I was a combat SEAL in Vietnam", but he never corrected people who said it about him, even though it wasn't true. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 12:18:42 PM EDT
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True but why would he sue a fellow SEAL, I thought they were a tight knit community. The whole lawsuit has tarnished JV's rep 8700 times more than a few lines in Kyles book ever did. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How much did the movie and book make? Kyle said that stuff pimping the book This. When you take emotion out of it Jesse Ventura was the one who was slandered by Chris Kyle. I am of the very same opinion. Ventura wasn't on my radar at all until he wrestled his way into the bright lights of the media to spit chewin' tobacco right smack into his own face. 
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Posted: 12/21/2014 12:19:25 PM EDT
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How much did the movie and book make? Kyle said that stuff pimping the book What the penguin said. Pretty much this. It doesn't change the fact that Ventura isn't a whore for every nickel he can get, by doing doing whatever he has to do to get it - that was decided by the sham of a job he chose to do for a living. All that aside, if somebody totally made up a huge ass fabrication about me, in order to do nothing but make money off it, I think I'd be totally pissed too. I don't think many here old be any different either. If the book & the movie are making money for 'whoever' partly due to untrue comments about someone that amount to slander, then part of the proceeds of that book & movie are due to that person from 'whoever'. That's just the way it is & the way it should be. You have to look at situations like this just like you would if it was one of your kids; we're all human, we all make mistakes. Chris Kyle made a mistake. If your kid knocked out your neighbors window it doesn't matter if your neighbor is Jesse Ventura, your kid owes your neighbor a new, installed window - period. He should do it with a smile & a sincere apology, because that is the right thing to do. If it was my kid, he'd be doing it standing up, because he would be able to set down for a while. If it was my kid & he broke the window intentionally, that apology would have to be made standing, because he wouldn't be able to set down for a while (If you don't believe me, you can ask one of my kids!) You're not going to love your kid less for what he did, you're going to love him more for doing the right thing. It sure doesn't diminish or detract from the wonderful things your kid has done or the joy & pride he's brought you. You just hope all have learned from it & move on... |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 12:32:38 PM EDT
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True but why would he sue a fellow SEAL, I thought they were a tight knit community. The whole lawsuit has tarnished JV's rep 8700 times more than a few lines in Kyles book ever did. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How much did the movie and book make? Kyle said that stuff pimping the book This. When you take emotion out of it Jesse Ventura was the one who was slandered by Chris Kyle. Based on venturas past, I don't think there's much he won't do to either make money or get some attention
The flip side of it is that instead of just paying up quietly & moving on with life, the movie/estate side of this are keeping attention pointed towards it as much as possible. Gee, I wonder why that'd be???
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Posted: 12/21/2014 12:48:01 PM EDT
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My impression/opinion is that many of these JV Fanboys know of Jesse Ventura from movies, wrestling, Alex Jones "ChemTrails", and his bizarre 9/11 conspiracy theories. They don't really know Chris Kyle, so they have a natural inclination to go with the known quantity. Perhaps, they use to masturbate to Ventura or really believe that thermite paint was applied to World Trade Center construction in the 1970's in preparation for George Bush's evil plan in 2001.
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What's also kind of funny is that I keep hearing about him claiming to have killed some carjackers. I've asked several times for that interview link and no one can provide it. He's been accused of a lot of stuff, and none of us were there for any of it to know one way or another. All the accusations could be true. But I've never seen proof that he lied. Yet a lot of people are 100% sure he did. My impression/opinion is that many of these JV Fanboys know of Jesse Ventura from movies, wrestling, Alex Jones "ChemTrails", and his bizarre 9/11 conspiracy theories. They don't really know Chris Kyle, so they have a natural inclination to go with the known quantity. Perhaps, they use to masturbate to Ventura or really believe that thermite paint was applied to World Trade Center construction in the 1970's in preparation for George Bush's evil plan in 2001.
http://i.imgur.com/cHqyh0U.png Or we believe in the rule of law, which means even unscrupulous tools gave the rught to seek legal redress. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 1:03:41 PM EDT
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When I bought the book I didnt know anything about the JV/Kyle fight. I had no clue that "scruff face" was JV when I read it. I bought the book because it was a National hero telling his story of badassery.
With that said, which side of the story is most accurate we will never know. Alcohol was involved, and several people on both sides swear one way or the other. In my eyes, JV should have let the fucking suit go when Chris was killed. He then should have just reiterated that Chris's story wasnt true. Continuing to press the issue and take money away from the family of a recently murdered SEAL tarnished his reputation much worse. JV is a classless douche. He will not see a penny from me...Any new movie or show is in, I will not watch. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 1:32:31 PM EDT
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What's also kind of funny is that I keep hearing about him claiming to have killed some carjackers. I've asked several times for that interview link and no one can provide it. You mean this? Now that's compelling. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 1:33:23 PM EDT
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The question was never whether or not there was a physical altercation/fight or who beat up who. The question was whether or not Ventura SAID the things that Kyle claimed he did. Everyone had a chance to present their argument and evidence in court, and the finding was that Kyle lied about what was said. Ventura has said worse on video. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 1:42:59 PM EDT
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It's the estate, not her personally. Being a liar has consequences no matter what your service record has in it. Semantics. Who is the beneficiary of the Estate? Its a shame he died but that doesnt give the beneficiaries of his estate a free pass to benefit from the defamation of someone elses character. One must have character before it can be defamed. 
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Posted: 12/21/2014 1:47:00 PM EDT
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Seeing that his widow is the beneficiary of the estate it is a distinction without a difference. I really have a hard time believing that Kyle's original statement harmed Ventura to the tune of $1.8M. However, it is certainly possible that Ventura's subsequent lawsuit might have done that much self inflicted damage. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's the estate, not her personally. Being a liar has consequences no matter what your service record has in it. Seeing that his widow is the beneficiary of the estate it is a distinction without a difference. I really have a hard time believing that Kyle's original statement harmed Ventura to the tune of $1.8M. However, it is certainly possible that Ventura's subsequent lawsuit might have done that much self inflicted damage. Wrong. The distinction is the widow did nothing to earn the money. Should I be able to make millions of dollars sullying your reputation and than pass it off to my wife after I die with you having zero opportunity to recoup money made off of sullying your name? Kyle's multi-millionaire wife will still be a multi-millionaire after this; not bad for a woman who lived off a military salary. There's a reason the law distinguishes between estates and individuals and it doesn't take a 130+IQ to see why. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 1:48:18 PM EDT
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I watched that video when it was first aired and believed every word of it. It paints a completely different picture of Chris Kyle when you know every word is a fabrication.
I own the book and will most likely go see the movie, but my opinion of him is quite a bit different than before. He didn't need to make that shit up to sell that book. How is it that you know it is a fabrication? Serious question. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 1:54:58 PM EDT
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Totally false post. Witnesses testified under oath that JV was in an altercation with Chris Kyle. Witnesses rebut Ventura's assertion that fight was a lie http://www.startribune.com/local/267170441.html Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Kyle told a BS story about beating up a former UDT member turned nut job that is a common name so it would help Kyle push more books. The body called him out as a buddy fucker and the courts agreed with him. Is JV a nut job? absolutely. Did Kyle tell a made up story to make money? absolutely. He should have left that shit out of the book along with a few other stories. Chris Kyle is a huge stud and the truth was more then enough when it comes to a amazing story. Totally false post. Witnesses testified under oath that JV was in an altercation with Chris Kyle. Witnesses rebut Ventura's assertion that fight was a lie John Kelly III, dressed in full U.S. Navy SEAL uniform, testified next and said that he saw Ventura lying on his back on a sidewalk outside McP’s moments after Ventura faced off with Kyle.
Kelly, a special operator 1st class SEAL, said that he had seen Kyle facing Ventura moments earlier, but did not see Kyle punch Ventura. Former SEAL Lt. Cmdr. Andrew Paul said he saw a commotion, then saw Ventura get up from the patio floor and yell that he was going to kill Chris Kyle.
Afterward, Paul said, “Chris told me, ‘Jesse was running his mouth and I punched him.’” http://www.startribune.com/local/267170441.html These are men of honor who testified under oath that it happened.
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Posted: 12/21/2014 2:02:19 PM EDT
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Sure, and I am sure his widow/estate/insurance are using the law to the fullest extent, just like the Venture douchebag. I was primarily pointing out that whether or not there was a FIGHT, is not really relevant. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The question was never whether or not there was a physical altercation/fight or who beat up who. The question was whether or not Ventura SAID the things that Kyle claimed he did. Everyone had a chance to present their argument and evidence in court, and the finding was that Kyle lied about what was said. If a trial court was always flawless there wouldn't be a need for an appellate system. Sure, and I am sure his widow/estate/insurance are using the law to the fullest extent, just like the Venture douchebag. I was primarily pointing out that whether or not there was a FIGHT, is not really relevant. OK, I see now. First I heard JV was insisting the fight never happened. The guy says all kinds of random shit all the time. I have no doubt he would spout some nonsense when he had an audience and the change his mind after people took notice. Oh well, not my fight. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 3:07:00 PM EDT
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Pretty much this. It doesn't change the fact that Ventura isn't a whore for every nickel he can get, by doing doing whatever he has to do to get it - that was decided by the sham of a job he chose to do for a living. All that aside, if somebody totally made up a huge ass fabrication about me, in order to do nothing but make money off it, I think I'd be totally pissed too. I don't think many here old be any different either. If the book & the movie are making money for 'whoever' partly due to untrue comments about someone that amount to slander, then part of the proceeds of that book & movie are due to that person from 'whoever'. That's just the way it is & the way it should be. You have to look at situations like this just like you would if it was one of your kids; we're all human, we all make mistakes. Chris Kyle made a mistake. If your kid knocked out your neighbors window it doesn't matter if your neighbor is Jesse Ventura, your kid owes your neighbor a new, installed window - period. He should do it with a smile & a sincere apology, because that is the right thing to do. If it was my kid, he'd be doing it standing up, because he would be able to set down for a while. If it was my kid & he broke the window intentionally, that apology would have to be made standing, because he wouldn't be able to set down for a while (If you don't believe me, you can ask one of my kids!) You're not going to love your kid less for what he did, you're going to love him more for doing the right thing. It sure doesn't diminish or detract from the wonderful things your kid has done or the joy & pride he's brought you. You just hope all have learned from it & move on... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How much did the movie and book make? Kyle said that stuff pimping the book What the penguin said. Pretty much this. It doesn't change the fact that Ventura isn't a whore for every nickel he can get, by doing doing whatever he has to do to get it - that was decided by the sham of a job he chose to do for a living. All that aside, if somebody totally made up a huge ass fabrication about me, in order to do nothing but make money off it, I think I'd be totally pissed too. I don't think many here old be any different either. If the book & the movie are making money for 'whoever' partly due to untrue comments about someone that amount to slander, then part of the proceeds of that book & movie are due to that person from 'whoever'. That's just the way it is & the way it should be. You have to look at situations like this just like you would if it was one of your kids; we're all human, we all make mistakes. Chris Kyle made a mistake. If your kid knocked out your neighbors window it doesn't matter if your neighbor is Jesse Ventura, your kid owes your neighbor a new, installed window - period. He should do it with a smile & a sincere apology, because that is the right thing to do. If it was my kid, he'd be doing it standing up, because he would be able to set down for a while. If it was my kid & he broke the window intentionally, that apology would have to be made standing, because he wouldn't be able to set down for a while (If you don't believe me, you can ask one of my kids!) You're not going to love your kid less for what he did, you're going to love him more for doing the right thing. It sure doesn't diminish or detract from the wonderful things your kid has done or the joy & pride he's brought you. You just hope all have learned from it & move on... The problem is, if your kid smashes a window, you can see the damage and know the cost of buying a new one. How was JV damaged to the tune of 2 million? The fact that Kyle made money off the book is in no way, shape, or form evidence that JV was damaged. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 3:20:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's the estate, not her personally. Being a liar has consequences no matter what your service record has in it. This. Kyle lied about Ventura and used that lie to generate buzz for his book. |
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