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Posted: 12/20/2014 5:03:56 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/20/2014 5:04:41 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/20/2014 5:14:19 PM EDT
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HP Lovecraft was a bigoted racist. And this is relevant.... how exactly? 'Cause racism! |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 5:16:23 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/20/2014 5:17:21 PM EDT
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Yes, the HPLHS Christmas albums are among my favorites! I have them in my car CD player already.
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Posted: 12/20/2014 6:36:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: HP Lovecraft was a bigoted racist. Quote HistoryQuoted: HP Lovecraft was a bigoted racist. You find yourself in good company. http://monsterhunternation.com/2014/12/10/fisking-the-guardian-again-this-time-for-hp-lovecraft/ Somebody sent this to me on Twitter this morning and asked my opinion on it. My quick response was that it was more Social Justice Warrior nonsense and their never ending search for perpetual victimhood, but then I decided that because the ideas in it are so poisonous to the very people it is supposedly is trying to help, it deserves an actual fisking. Move over HP Lovecraft, fantasy writers of colour are coming through. A stupid title. If you are so desperate to prove racism in sci-fi you’ve got to dig up somebody who has been dead for 77 years, your argument might be a little weak. By Daniel Jose Older. Normally when the Guardian tries to prove how horrible racist/sexist/misogynist/homophobic sci-fi or fantasy is they trot out village idiot Damien Walter. This time they’re using somebody who has actually published something. Good for you, Guardian. Way to step up your game. Non-white readers and writers are falling in love with speculative fiction in increasing numbers – Excellent! which is why we need to remove its racist figurehead You’ll note that almost all SJW articles start like this. Here is a good thing, but here is why you are actually racist because of it. Last month I walked through the crowded corridors of Javits Center with tears in my eyes. Maybe it is just because I’m a manly cismale gendernormative fascist who is required by the patriarchy to keep my feelings bottled up, but the only thing that made me cry at the Javits Center was the line at the food court. It was New York Comic Con and around me flourished a sea of black and brown faces, many partially concealed beneath goggles, prosthetic zombie wounds or masks. I was also at this very same convention. I gave out a couple thousand free paperbacks and talked to people for three straight days. But since I’m not a SJW I didn’t feel the need to keep a tally of what color, religion, or sexual orientation every single person I talked to seemed to be. The people I talked to were people who liked to read books. If you are an author and you feel the need to subcategorize much beyond that, you are setting yourself up to fail. For one of the first times since I started writing speculative fiction five years ago, I felt at home in my own genre. I started seriously writing speculative fiction seven years ago so I’m assuming we’re about the same age and we’re dealing with the same industry. This statement is either horseshit or Older hasn’t been to very many sci-fi conventions. I’ve been to dozens of them all over America. I attended thirteen in 2014 alone. Cons and fandom are usually about the most inclusive bunch you’ll find anywhere. Hell, they accept Furries… FURRIES. Your argument is invalid. But SJWs love to look for invisible micro aggressions at cons. Here is one where I fisked a SJW who tried to make GenCon sound racist http://monsterhunternation.com/2014/08/19/no-tor-com-gencon-isnt-racist-a-fisking/ (short version, it isn’t). Earlier this summer, the old guard of fantasy got very uncomfortable over a petition I started asking for the World Fantasy Award to remove the bust of HP Lovecraft as its statuette and replace it with Octavia Butler. Uncomfortable? I don’t think that is a synonym for WTF. A few things for those not in the loop. HP Lovecraft is one of the most famous authors in history, who basically created a whole genre. Authors commonly use the word Lovecraftian today to describe themes and elements that he popularized. Among the creators who list Lovecraft as a major influence are Stephen King, Ramsey Campbell, Joe Lansdale, Alan Moore, F. Paul Wilson, Brian Lumley, Clive Barker, Guillermo Del Toro, H.R. Geiger, John Carpenter, Mike Mignola, and Neil Gaiman. Plus thousands of other authors, artists, and film makers. Have you heard of Cthulhu? Yeah. That guy. Lovecraft has influenced video games, movies, comics, and more heavy metal bands than you can count. Almost eight decades after his death every nerd in the world knows who HP Lovecraft is. There have been thousands (not an exaggeration) of stories set in Lovecraftian worlds. And hell, Lovecraftian is actually a word! Octavia Butler was also an author. She passed away in 2006. I think I read a couple of her books as a kid but don’t remember anything about them. I’m certain she’s had some influence, but Lovecraft influenced orders of magnitude more. Butlerian isn’t a word. EDIT: It turns out Butlerian is a word, just not on Earth. And I’ve not read a Dune novel in a decade. Lovecraft was an uneven craftsman at best – his stories clunk along, overburdened with adjectives and stale characters. Wow, bold words there dude who has written a couple of books. It’s his world-building and imagination that helped solidify his legacy, but even that is tainted by a failure of craft and humanity. Yet, the atmosphere he set scared the shit out of millions of us, to the point that when we grew up and tried to write something scary, we used him as a template. Nothing is more human than fear. Pulling that off takes craft. And not even close to the whole thing. |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 10:34:07 PM EDT
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I'd like to see Cthulhu Claus vs. Festivus. I think Cthulhu would win feats of strength against Frank Costanza, although Frank was a pretty tough old dude. Frank would probably be better at cheating than Cthulhu, so I wouldn't give long odds on it. |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 10:42:08 PM EDT
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What round for Cthulhu? nukes will just pis him off. you need a ward stone created by a strong alchemist. |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 10:58:04 PM EDT
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HP Lovecraft was a bigoted racist. so was damn near everyone else at the time. |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 11:02:41 PM EDT
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So Cthulhu is in the next Game of Thrones book? http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-xKK2IMSRcCA/TkVDp_otk3I/AAAAAAAAAjM/GmqhBYRDLdY/s1600/cthulhu-AGOT.jpg i thought he was the ironborn['s drowned god..."what is dead may never die," and watery halls, etc. |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 11:25:24 PM EDT
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Snow,
Have you seen the show, "True Detective"? It's an 8 episode series by HBO about two murder detectives in Louisiana and a case they investigate over a period of about 15 years. Through the show, something about it kept bugging me...it seemed dark, but "normal" True Crime fare....but under the surface of the story it just seemed....off, I guess you could say. Turns out it is related to a series of stories who was a contemporary of HP Lovecraft and Robert E. Howard.....and it ends up just as damn creepy. You think it's a normal story about VERY abnormal, evil people....it's not. It's a very ABNORMAL story about VERY, VERY abnormal people....but you don't get it until the VERY end. I will NOT spoil it any further. Watch the series first, if you haven't and then find a book called "the King in Yellow" by Robert W. Chambers. It was written in 1895....but relates to "True Detective" which starts in 1995. CREEEEEEEEPPPPYYYYYY!!!!!!! Hope you don't mind the recommendation....though unsolicited. ETA: Along the shore the cloud waves break, The twin suns sink behind the lake, The shadows lengthen... In Carcosa. Strange is the night where black stars rise, And strange moons circle through the skies, But stranger still is... Lost Carcosa. Songs that the Hyades shall sing, Where flap the tatters of the King, Must die unheard in.... Dim Carcosa. Song of my soul, my voice is dead, Die thou, unsung, as tears unshed Shall dry and die in... Lost Carcosa |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 11:54:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Snow, Have you seen the show, "True Detective"? It's an 8 episode series by HBO about two murder detectives in Louisiana and a case they investigate over a period of about 15 years. Through the show, something about it kept bugging me...it seemed dark, but "normal" True Crime fare....but under the surface of the story it just seemed....off, I guess you could say. Turns out it is related to a series of stories who was a contemporary of HP Lovecraft and Robert E. Howard.....and it ends up just as damn creepy. You think it's a normal story about VERY abnormal, evil people....it's not. It's a very ABNORMAL story about VERY, VERY abnormal people....but you don't get it until the VERY end. I will NOT spoil it any further. Watch the series first, if you haven't and then find a book called "the King in Yellow" by Robert W. Chambers. It was written in 1895....but relates to "True Detective" which starts in 1995. CREEEEEEEEPPPPYYYYYY!!!!!!! Hope you don't mind the recommendation....though unsolicited. ETA: Along theshore the cloud waves break, The twin suns sink behind the lake, The shadows lengthen... In Carcosa. Strange is the night where black starsrise, And strange moons circle through the skies, But stranger still is... Lost Carcosa. Songs that the Hyades shall sing, Where flap the tatters of the King, Must die unheard in.... Dim Carcosa. Song of my soul, my voice is dead, Die thou, unsung, as tears unshed Shall dry and die in... Lost Carcosa My hometown. http://www.vice.com/video/the-real-true-detective-010 The Real 'True Detective'? Ten years ago, the town of Ponchatoula, Louisiana, was traumatized when a local church's secret Satan worship, ritualized child molestation, and animal sacrifices came to light. Rust Cohle may be a fictional character, and time may not really be a flat circle, but that sounds an awful lot like the events of the first season of HBO's hit True Detective. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 12:00:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryThe first thing that came to mind seeing the source was "You suck and Cthulhu hates you." 
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Posted: 12/21/2014 12:01:02 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/21/2014 12:01:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryHot crackers, where can I find that coffee mug? |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 12:03:25 AM EDT
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Hot crackers, where can I find that coffee mug? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Hot crackers, where can I find that coffee mug? http://www.trespasser.ca/ http://www.trespasser.ca/store/catalog/index.php?cPath=26&osCsid=arq889pgsr8j4phbe8cn590ai2 $90. Not sure if that's in USD or Canadian Tire money. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 12:07:19 AM EDT
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http://www.trespasser.ca/ http://www.trespasser.ca/store/catalog/index.php?cPath=26&osCsid=arq889pgsr8j4phbe8cn590ai2 $90. Not sure if that's in USD or Canadian Tire money. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hot crackers, where can I find that coffee mug? http://www.trespasser.ca/ http://www.trespasser.ca/store/catalog/index.php?cPath=26&osCsid=arq889pgsr8j4phbe8cn590ai2 $90. Not sure if that's in USD or Canadian Tire money. Fuuuuuuck. I really like that. I don't quite $90 like that though. That makes me sad. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 12:08:08 AM EDT
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here is an awesomely disturbing Lovecraftian video well worth a watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QFwo57WKwg and here is a link to a short story set during the cold war after the old ones found during "at the mountains of madness" are used by the USSR and US in a wepaons race the USSR screws up and wakes him up. and he starts across Europe as the uS fired every nuke in its arsenal at him trying to slow him down it doesnt go well for anyone A Colder War |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 12:08:41 AM EDT
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HP Lovecraft was a bigoted racist. He was also a Socialist. That is why I would expect him to know so much about madness and destruction. Especially of the human mind. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 12:16:12 AM EDT
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He was also a Socialist. That is why I would expect him to know so much about madness and destruction. Especially of the human mind. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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HP Lovecraft was a bigoted racist. He was also a Socialist. That is why I would expect him to know so much about madness and destruction. Especially of the human mind. To quote from the Larry Correia's blog link above: Lovecraft was a product of his time.
I’ve written three books of alternative history set in the 1930s. I’m fascinated by this time period. I’ve done tons of research into those years. Racism was common, ugly, and rampant. And I’m not talking invisible micro-aggressions or college students lecturing people about privilege, I’m talking systematic, legal, subjugation of groups of people based upon their ancestors. Yes, Lovecraft was a racist. He was a 1930s Democrat. It is actually kind of hard to find 1930s democrats who weren’t racists. Eugenics then was the “scientific” equivalent to Global Warming today. The “science was settled”. Proper good thinking folks didn’t question it and the world’s governments used Eugenics as an excuse for all sorts of programs that seem insane to us today. In actuality Lovecraft’s racism veered a bit from the typical democrat’s “scientific” racism, and he was more into looking down on other cultures. Keep in mind that he was a snooty New Englander. If I recall correctly he believed that anybody could move up in the world, provided they learned to act like a proper snooty New Englander. He didn’t have nice things to say about southerners either, and as far as Europeans went, the only culture he liked was the Anglo Saxon one that spawned New England. He married a Jewish woman because she’d become “cultured”. How Anglo was Lovecraft? He thought the American Revolution was uppity. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 12:24:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He was also a Socialist. That is why I would expect him to know so much about madness and destruction. Especially of the human mind. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: HP Lovecraft was a bigoted racist. He was also a Socialist. That is why I would expect him to know so much about madness and destruction. Especially of the human mind. Same with George RR Martin....who else could write about backstabbing, murdering lunatic bluebloods better than a rabid democrat? |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 12:31:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuuuuuuck. I really like that. I don't quite $90 like that though. That makes me sad. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Hot crackers, where can I find that coffee mug? http://www.trespasser.ca/ http://www.trespasser.ca/store/catalog/index.php?cPath=26&osCsid=arq889pgsr8j4phbe8cn590ai2 $90. Not sure if that's in USD or Canadian Tire money. Fuuuuuuck. I really like that. I don't quite $90 like that though. That makes me sad. It is neat. Here is the other design they offer:  |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 12:33:42 AM EDT
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It is neat. Here is the other design they offer: http://www.trespasser.ca/Steins/CthuHexMKII01b.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hot crackers, where can I find that coffee mug? http://www.trespasser.ca/ http://www.trespasser.ca/store/catalog/index.php?cPath=26&osCsid=arq889pgsr8j4phbe8cn590ai2 $90. Not sure if that's in USD or Canadian Tire money. Fuuuuuuck. I really like that. I don't quite $90 like that though. That makes me sad. It is neat. Here is the other design they offer: http://www.trespasser.ca/Steins/CthuHexMKII01b.jpg $89.99? |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 12:34:52 AM EDT
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- $89.99? You could get the cookie jar for $600. Again, not sure if that's USD or Canadian Tire. 
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Posted: 12/21/2014 12:36:21 AM EDT
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You could get the cookie jar for $600. Again, not sure if that's USD or Canadian Tire. http://www.trespasser.ca/Cthulhu/TempleOfR'lyeh01b.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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- $89.99? You could get the cookie jar for $600. Again, not sure if that's USD or Canadian Tire. http://www.trespasser.ca/Cthulhu/TempleOfR'lyeh01b.jpg Matters not. I like the mug. And the jar. But there's no way I'd pay what they're asking. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 12:38:50 AM EDT
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Matters not. I like the mug. And the jar. But there's no way I'd pay what they're asking. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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- $89.99? You could get the cookie jar for $600. Again, not sure if that's USD or Canadian Tire. http://www.trespasser.ca/Cthulhu/TempleOfR'lyeh01b.jpg Matters not. I like the mug. And the jar. But there's no way I'd pay what they're asking. It looks like they're a smaller art studio. You could probably call and ask if they'd haggle on the price. Worst they'd do is say no. Otherwise this one's supposed to be about $40: http://boingboing.net/2012/06/03/cthulhu-tiki-mug.html 
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Posted: 12/21/2014 12:39:49 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/21/2014 12:54:58 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/21/2014 12:58:35 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/21/2014 1:48:06 AM EDT
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Killing Lovecraftian demi-gods is rather difficult. I only know of one person that succeeded (though it was Hastur and not Cthulhu). http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Old_Man_Henderson If you are a geek with RPG experience, this is hilarious. Hint: lots of explosives and being smarter than the GM. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What round for Cthulhu? http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Old_Man_Henderson If you are a geek with RPG experience, this is hilarious. Hint: lots of explosives and being smarter than the GM. That. Was. Amazing. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 2:11:27 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/21/2014 2:38:33 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/21/2014 9:46:49 AM EDT
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i thought he was the ironborn['s drowned god..."what is dead may never die," and watery halls, etc. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So Cthulhu is in the next Game of Thrones book? http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-xKK2IMSRcCA/TkVDp_otk3I/AAAAAAAAAjM/GmqhBYRDLdY/s1600/cthulhu-AGOT.jpg i thought he was the ironborn['s drowned god..."what is dead may never die," and watery halls, etc. That does seem to fit... |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 10:47:51 AM EDT
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HP Lovecraft was a bigoted racist. You must be a hoot at parties 
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Posted: 12/21/2014 11:03:19 AM EDT
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nukes will just pis him off. you need a ward stone created by a strong alchemist. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What round for Cthulhu? nukes will just pis him off. you need a ward stone created by a strong alchemist. This is a great read for Cthulhu fans: A Colder War |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 11:06:04 AM EDT
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Klaatu Verata Necktie?
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Posted: 12/21/2014 11:07:01 AM EDT
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you stole my thread.
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Posted: 12/21/2014 11:11:52 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/21/2014 12:40:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My hometown. http://www.vice.com/video/the-real-true-detective-010 The Real 'True Detective'? Ten years ago, the town of Ponchatoula, Louisiana, was traumatized when a local church's secret Satan worship, ritualized child molestation, and animal sacrifices came to light. Rust Cohle may be a fictional character, and time may not really be a flat circle, but that sounds an awful lot like the events of the first season of HBO's hit True Detective. Not unlikely at all. "True Detective" is based on the magazine, "True Detective" which was a true crime type publication.....I wouldn't be surprised that the core idea was from that incident. EVEN MORE CREEEPY!!!! |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 12:41:45 PM EDT
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Lovecraftian pick-up line:
Hey babe, are you a Shoggoth? Cause I'd love to explore your Mountains of Madness. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 12:50:21 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/21/2014 9:45:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Or $12.99 if you're cheap: http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/1d7a/?itm=customlabel0Home_%26_Office_|_Coffee_Mugs_%26_Travel_Mugs&rkgid=1453729380&cpg=ogplaho1&source=google_home_office&adpos=1o1&creative=45816580725&device=c&matchtype=&network=g&gclid=CPz7oauo1sICFRCoaQodjgcANQ http://a.tgcdn.net/images/products/frontsquare/1d7a_cthulhu_awakens_mug.jpg That's pretty cool.
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Posted: 12/21/2014 9:46:57 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/21/2014 10:03:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThat's pretty creepy |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 10:30:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryNope. Nope nope nope My car couldnt go fast enough |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 10:41:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope. Nope nope nope My car couldnt go fast enough Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope. Nope nope nope My car couldnt go fast enough  |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 10:46:32 PM EDT
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You guys have heard that the SJWs in the genre fiction game are trying to discredit and diminish Lovecraft because of his racism havent ya?
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Posted: 12/21/2014 10:49:01 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/21/2014 10:49:55 PM EDT
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You guys have heard that the SJWs in the genre fiction game are trying to discredit and diminish Lovecraft because of his racism havent ya? That has been addressed in this thread. SJWs are retarded. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 10:52:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryWhat an incredible picture! So cool! |
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