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Posted: 12/19/2014 11:56:41 PM EDT
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I would use dat but in grammar do the opposite of I/me
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Posted: 12/19/2014 11:57:41 PM EDT
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I think that the second sentence is more correct grammar.
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Posted: 12/20/2014 12:00:36 AM EDT
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Joe told me the wheel from his car had been stolen. Unless Joe has stolen wheels on his car.
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Posted: 12/20/2014 12:02:36 AM EDT
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I think that the second sentence is more correct grammar. This |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 12:20:37 AM EDT
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Actually, both are grammatical, but the second one is more efficient
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Posted: 12/20/2014 12:38:52 AM EDT
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Joe told me the wheel from his car had been stolen. Unless Joe has stolen wheels on his car. |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 12:41:10 AM EDT
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I think that the second sentence is more correct grammar. 
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Posted: 12/20/2014 12:45:38 AM EDT
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What do you think about the word "that." Joe told me that the wheels from his car were stolen. --OR-- Joe told me the wheels from his car were stolen. Diante tolt me dat his 22's gotz stolent. Now Diante Dawg wont'z be rollin' on da dubz, Yo. |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 12:47:11 AM EDT
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I think that the second sentence is more correct grammar. Iseewhatyoudidthere.jpg |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 12:49:07 AM EDT
[#10]
Fuck English.
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Posted: 12/20/2014 12:50:36 AM EDT
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It's a mute point... |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 12:52:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Joe told me the wheel from his car had been stolen. Unless Joe has stolen wheels on his car. |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 12:54:27 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/20/2014 12:55:49 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/20/2014 12:57:11 AM EDT
[#15]
Either is correct, but a good rule in writing: if you can write less and still accurately convey your point, then do so.
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Posted: 12/20/2014 12:58:47 AM EDT
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Joe told me the wheel from his car had been stolen. Unless Joe has stolen wheels on his car. They're both correct, but they have different meanings. |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 1:00:43 AM EDT
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Is it that that word that you are that worked up about? That's silly.
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Posted: 12/20/2014 1:01:42 AM EDT
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Actually, both are grammatical, but the second one is more efficient Exactly. Keep your writing tight. |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 1:03:05 AM EDT
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I think that the second sentence is more correct grammar. I see That. What you did there 
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Posted: 12/20/2014 1:05:55 AM EDT
[#20]
Joes dubs got jacked. short and to the point
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Posted: 12/20/2014 1:07:38 AM EDT
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I think that the second sentence is more correct grammar. Both sentences are grammatically correct. |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 1:09:24 AM EDT
[#22]
Were the wheels on Joe's car stolen, or were they stolen from his car?
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Posted: 12/20/2014 1:11:21 AM EDT
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Were the wheels on Joe's car stolen, or were they stolen from his car? Joe admitted to wearing stolen dubs on his ride... hooptie... Whip! the word I was looking for was whip. |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 1:13:55 AM EDT
[#24]
"That" is redundant in the example. Sentence #2 is the correct one.
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Posted: 12/20/2014 1:18:16 AM EDT
[#25]
Ma baby Joe dindu nuffin ociffer, and dats da truff sur.
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Posted: 12/20/2014 1:22:08 AM EDT
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Send an email and ask Richard Lederer what is correct. I'm going to guess that he will tell you that either way is acceptable, but at least you'll get
an explanation. Richard Lededer/English Expert |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 1:40:20 AM EDT
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"That" is redundant in the example. Sentence #2 is the correct one. Show an example where the word "that" is not redundant. |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 1:42:38 AM EDT
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Just considering clarity rather than correctness, I think "that" can help a reader figure out the structure of the sentence earlier (not that I used it where I could have in this sentence).
Consider two sentences with different structures where you don't really know what's going on in the blue part until you get to the red part: Alice denied two expenses from Bob's March expense report because they were over budget. Alice denied two expenses from Bob's March expense report were over budget. If the second one had been "Alice denied that two expenses..." the reader would immediately know that there is an independent clause coming that states a complete assertion, and whatever that is, Alice denied it. I would probably assume the first case while reading the blue part and then say, oh, there's a verb here, "were", so that's really the main verb of the sentence when I thought it was "denied". I would have wasted one or two precious seconds and that's just not right. It may look clunkier with the unneeded "that", but depending on your audience it may be worthwhile. For the last several years a lot of my business writing has been for people who don't speak English as their primary language, so I've learned to go out of my way to make things clear even if I lose some of the elegant poetry which is my natural voice.
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Posted: 12/20/2014 1:46:51 AM EDT
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Actually, both are grammatical, but the second one is more efficient Quote HistoryQuoted:
Actually, both are grammatical, but the second one is more efficient I agree but I read them differently in a subtle way. Joe told me that the wheels from his car were stolen I read this as " Joe just informed me of this event" Joe told me the wheels from his car were stolen. I'd expect this as part of an explanation "I offered Joe $1300 for the wheels from his car. Joe told me the wheels from his car were stolen." (though it might be more clearly expressed as "Joe told me that the wheels were stolen from his car") But I ain't a language engineer so maybe it's just me. In before "The hookers, Stalin and Kennedy" 
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Posted: 12/20/2014 1:49:17 AM EDT
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Show an example where the word "that" is not redundant. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"That" is redundant in the example. Sentence #2 is the correct one. Show an example where the word "that" is not redundant. I ate that. |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 1:52:28 AM EDT
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Ma baby Joe dindu nuffin ociffer, and dats da truff sur. Shanuirallaquisha said, "Ma baby Joe dindu nuffin ociffer, and dats da truff sur." OR: Shanuirallaquisha said that, "Ma baby Joe dindu nuffin ociffer, and dats da truff sur."
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Posted: 12/20/2014 1:53:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree but I read them differently in a subtle way. . I read this as " Joe just informed me of this event" I'd expect this as part of an explanation "I offered Joe $1300 for the wheels from his car. Joe told me the wheels from his car were stolen." (though it might be more clearly expressed as "Joe told me that the wheels were stolen from his car") But I ain't a language engineer so maybe it's just me. In before "The hookers, Stalin and Kennedy" Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Actually, both are grammatical, but the second one is more efficient I agree but I read them differently in a subtle way. Joe told me that the wheels from his car were stolen I read this as " Joe just informed me of this event" Joe told me the wheels from his car were stolen. I'd expect this as part of an explanation "I offered Joe $1300 for the wheels from his car. Joe told me the wheels from his car were stolen." (though it might be more clearly expressed as "Joe told me that the wheels were stolen from his car") But I ain't a language engineer so maybe it's just me. In before "The hookers, Stalin and Kennedy" I think I see where you're going. You read the first one as being a statement about something that was said, where the fact that Joe said it to the speaker or when or how he said it matters. In the second case you read it as being more about Joe's wheels being stolen, oh and by the way the speaker happens to know this because Joe said it. Is that right?
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Posted: 12/20/2014 1:56:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Shanuirallaquisha said, "Ma baby Joe dindu nuffin ociffer, and dats da truff sur." OR: Shanuirallaquisha said that, "Ma baby Joe dindu nuffin ociffer, and dats da truff sur." Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Ma baby Joe dindu nuffin ociffer, and dats da truff sur. Shanuirallaquisha said, "Ma baby Joe dindu nuffin ociffer, and dats da truff sur." OR: Shanuirallaquisha said that, "Ma baby Joe dindu nuffin ociffer, and dats da truff sur." If you're going to steal an example straight from Daniel Webster at least you should provide the attribution. ETA: I think I meant Noah Webster. I suck. |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 2:15:01 AM EDT
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Both are correct, but leaving out "that" is usually easier.
http://learnenglish.britishcouncil.org/en/english-grammar/verbs/verbs-followed-that-clause «tc2k11» |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 3:53:49 AM EDT
[#35]
me read no cursive ,
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Posted: 12/20/2014 3:54:28 AM EDT
[#36]
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What do you think about the word "that." Joe told me that the wheels from his car were stolen. --OR-- Joe told me the wheels from his car were stolen. The indirect quote Joe told me the wheels from his car were stolen. converts to a direct quote as Joe told me, "The wheels from my car are stolen." I would use the top indirect version. Joe told me that the wheels from his car had been stolen. But I would drop the that for a direct quote. Joe told me, "The wheels from my car have been stolen." "were stolen" doesn't work well because it's the past participle form of steal, thus needs has, have, or had to help it. Creating a passive sentence forces it to work as an adjective describing the tires rather than convey meaning of the action. Joe told me, "Some asshole stole the wheels from my car." or Joe told me that some asshole has stolen the wheels from his car. if you're an optimist and think Joe might get his wheels back. Joe told me that some asshole stole the wheels from his car. if you're an pessimist and think that Joe's shit's gone. (meaning the told information will not change) |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 4:56:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The indirect quote Joe told me the wheels from his car were stolen. converts to a direct quote as Joe told me, "The wheels from my car are stolen." I would use the top indirect version. Joe told me that the wheels from his car had been stolen. But I would drop the that for a direct quote. Joe told me, "The wheels from my car have been stolen." "were stolen" doesn't work well because it's the past participle form of steal, thus needs has, have, or had to help it. Creating a passive sentence forces it to work as an adjective describing the tires rather than convey meaning of the action. Joe told me, "Some asshole stole the wheels from my car." or Joe told me that some asshole has stolen the wheels from his car. if you're an optimist and think Joe might get his wheels back. Joe told me that some asshole stole the wheels from his car. if you're an pessimist and think that Joe's shit's gone. (meaning the told information will not change) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What do you think about the word "that." Joe told me that the wheels from his car were stolen. --OR-- Joe told me the wheels from his car were stolen. The indirect quote Joe told me the wheels from his car were stolen. converts to a direct quote as Joe told me, "The wheels from my car are stolen." I would use the top indirect version. Joe told me that the wheels from his car had been stolen. But I would drop the that for a direct quote. Joe told me, "The wheels from my car have been stolen." "were stolen" doesn't work well because it's the past participle form of steal, thus needs has, have, or had to help it. Creating a passive sentence forces it to work as an adjective describing the tires rather than convey meaning of the action. Joe told me, "Some asshole stole the wheels from my car." or Joe told me that some asshole has stolen the wheels from his car. if you're an optimist and think Joe might get his wheels back. Joe told me that some asshole stole the wheels from his car. if you're an pessimist and think that Joe's shit's gone. (meaning the told information will not change) I didn't think of that angle. If you interpret "stolen" as a past participle then Joe might have been saying that his car had stolen wheels on it. So going to the active voice and having "some asshole" do it removes any room for misinterpretation. If you don't want to use profanity you can say "some guy" instead, and people would get it because as we know "some guy" is responsible for a huge percentage of crimes.
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Posted: 12/20/2014 5:19:55 AM EDT
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I would say that I have a tendency to use the word "that" gratuitously. Having said that, in this case I would forgo that use of "that."
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Posted: 12/20/2014 5:25:54 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/20/2014 6:17:27 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think that the second sentence is more correct grammar grammatically correct. FIFY |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 6:30:13 AM EDT
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I use it ever since my freshman English teacher in college cited me for failure to do so in a paper I wrote.
I had never thought about it before. |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 6:46:13 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/20/2014 6:58:40 AM EDT
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the first formulation is structurally correct (disregarding the ambiguity of 'stolen' as either part of the verb structure or as an adjective). consider the following structures:
"bob told joe mike is sane". same structure, but it's obviously wrong. correct would be "bob told joe that mike is sane". or something slightly different... "bob sees joe is in trouble" again, wrong. correct is "bob sees that joe is in trouble". 'that' is not often disposable. |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 7:31:23 AM EDT
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It's more better.
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Posted: 12/20/2014 8:09:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just considering clarity rather than correctness, I think "that" can help a reader figure out the structure of the sentence earlier (not that I used it where I could have in this sentence). Consider two sentences with different structures where you don't really know what's going on in the blue part until you get to the red part: Alice denied two expenses from Bob's March expense report because they were over budget. Alice denied two expenses from Bob's March expense report were over budget. If the second one had been "Alice denied that two expenses..." the reader would immediately know that there is an independent clause coming that states a complete assertion, and whatever that is, Alice denied it. I would probably assume the first case while reading the blue part and then say, oh, there's a verb here, "were", so that's really the main verb of the sentence when I thought it was "denied". I would have wasted one or two precious seconds and that's just not right. It may look clunkier with the unneeded "that", but depending on your audience it may be worthwhile. For the last several years a lot of my business writing has been for people who don't speak English as their primary language, so I've learned to go out of my way to make things clear even if I lose some of the elegant poetry which is my natural voice. I bet you're fun at parties.... |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 8:11:29 AM EDT
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For all intensive purposes I think it's the second choice. Irregardless what does it matter?
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Posted: 12/20/2014 8:27:19 AM EDT
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That is something up with I will not put.
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Posted: 12/20/2014 8:41:15 AM EDT
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I was taught to never use the word "that" unless it was followed by a noun.
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Posted: 12/20/2014 9:00:30 AM EDT
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I ate that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"That" is redundant in the example. Sentence #2 is the correct one. Show an example where the word "that" is not redundant. I ate that. "That was good" 
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Posted: 12/20/2014 1:57:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Consider two sentences with different structures where you don't really know what's going on in the blue part until you get to the red part: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Just considering clarity rather than correctness, I think "that" can help a reader figure out the structure of the sentence earlier (not that I used it where I could have in this sentence). Consider two sentences with different structures where you don't really know what's going on in the blue part until you get to the red part: Alice denied two expenses from Bob's March expense report because they were over budget. Alice denied two expenses from Bob's March expense report were over budget. If the second one had been "Alice denied that two expenses..." the reader would immediately know that there is an independent clause coming that states a complete assertion, and whatever that is, Alice denied it. I would probably assume the first case while reading the blue part and then say, oh, there's a verb here, "were", so that's really the main verb of the sentence when I thought it was "denied". I would have wasted one or two precious seconds and that's just not right. It may look clunkier with the unneeded "that", but depending on your audience it may be worthwhile. For the last several years a lot of my business writing has been for people who don't speak English as their primary language, so I've learned to go out of my way to make things clear even if I lose some of the elegant poetry which is my natural voice. I bet you're fun at parties.... Oh, after a few drinks I might even split an infinitive and after a few more things might get legen... wait for it... |
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