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Posted: 12/19/2014 9:42:18 PM EDT
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Their business their rules, by taking the job you are agreeing to this.
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Posted: 12/19/2014 9:43:11 PM EDT
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Their business their rules, by taking the job you are agreeing to this. Exactly. My work has the same rules. I park across the street. |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 9:44:18 PM EDT
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Quit the job, OP.
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Posted: 12/19/2014 9:44:44 PM EDT
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Texas has a parking lot law, employers cannot prohibit carry in your car. It took years to get it because USAA fought hard to keep it from passing according to the TSRA.
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Posted: 12/19/2014 9:45:48 PM EDT
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The Land of the Free.
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Posted: 12/19/2014 9:46:24 PM EDT
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The Constitution protects you from the government, not your employer. (allegedly)
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Posted: 12/19/2014 9:47:35 PM EDT
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I'd tell em to pound sand. |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 9:53:28 PM EDT
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OP, I would buy a good gun safe and bolt it in a hidden spot and store your firearm in it..if they find it and want it opened..tell em to pound sand..you let them search the vehicle as required..the lock box isn't the vehicle....
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Posted: 12/19/2014 9:54:03 PM EDT
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I worked in research labs and hospitals for nearly 20 years, and all had this policy. However, I never heard of a single case of a vehicle being searched. I highly doubt they randomly pick out vehicles to search. I suspect this policy is to give the employer a tool to use in case of suspected employee theft (of drugs, computer equipment, microscopes, digital cameras, etc).
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Posted: 12/19/2014 9:55:50 PM EDT
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I know, their job, their rules. But this is the 1st I have ever dealt with that
Went out of their way to stress this. As far as theft, there is nothing of The company to steal. Just typical construction/trade shit. So wire, power Tools. Which is pretty damn hard to steal without someone noticing. I am just one of those guys that my damn truck is my truck and if you want To search my shit, you better get a warrant or have PC to search. And unless your a cop, you can take that PC and stick it up your ass. Just bugs the shit out of me , just as bad as a credit check for new hire Because if you have bad credit, you might be a thief. |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 9:56:25 PM EDT
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Texas has a parking lot law, employers cannot prohibit carry in your car. It took years to get it because USAA fought hard to keep it from passing according to the TSRA. They CAN prohibit you from working for them, though. Legal rights have nothing to do with company policy. Their workplace, their rules. By agreeing to work for said company, the employee/contractor is agreeing to their policy. |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 9:56:29 PM EDT
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Their business their rules, by taking the job you are agreeing to this. FPNI. |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 9:57:18 PM EDT
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I'd, probably, put up with a screen/search of person; depending on what the job was. Pretty sure I'd tell them to pound sand on vehicle, though. And, then find work, elsewhere.
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Posted: 12/19/2014 9:57:50 PM EDT
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I know, their job, their rules. But this is the 1st I have ever felt with that Went out of their way to stress this. As far as theft, there is nothing of The company to steal. Just typical construction/trade shit. So wire, power Tools. Which is pretty damn hard to steal without someone noticing. I am just one of those guys that my damn truck is my truck and if you want To search my shit, you better get a warrant or have PC to search. And unless your a cop, you can take that PC and stick it up your ass. Just bugs the shit out of me , just as bad as a credit check for new hire Because if you have bad credit, you might be a thief. As they point and say "there's the gate". |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 9:58:22 PM EDT
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I worked in research labs and hospitals for nearly 20 years, and all had this policy. However, I never heard of a single case of a vehicle being searched. I highly doubt they randomly pick out vehicles to search. I suspect this policy is to give the employer a tool to use in case of suspected employee theft (of drugs, computer equipment, microscopes, digital cameras, work product, etc). Probably/maybe FIFY. I wouldn't worry about it OP. It sucks in principle, but in the end, what are the ramifications? Get kicked off the site? |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 9:58:43 PM EDT
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Do they actually do the random searches? Chances are, they say that, but won't really devote manpower to it unless their hand is forced.
Keep in mind, some campuses of the type where you're working, are now under federal authority, due to chemical storage. My understanding is that this may preempt state law, and carry stiffer penalties. I've worked on sites like that, and DGAF. Never have I seen anyone busted because of it, either. |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 9:59:25 PM EDT
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I know, their job, their rules. But this is the 1st I have ever felt with that Went out of their way to stress this. As far as theft, there is nothing of The company to steal. Just typical construction/trade shit. So wire, power Tools. Which is pretty damn hard to steal without someone noticing. I am just one of those guys that my damn truck is my truck and if you want To search my shit, you better get a warrant or have PC to search. And unless your a cop, you can take that PC and stick it up your ass. Just bugs the shit out of me , just as bad as a credit check for new hire Because if you have bad credit, you might be a thief. Ok. Roll with it. If they try to search you, refuse. You lose your job and go find another. |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 10:02:10 PM EDT
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Exactly. My work has the same rules. I park across the street. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Their business their rules, by taking the job you are agreeing to this. Exactly. My work has the same rules. I park across the street. This |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 10:05:28 PM EDT
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I don't know if they actually would do it, but did point out the fact they CAN
Search your vehicle and bag at any time. Again, tool bags I get. And we all had to get security clearance before we started, because the CDC is involved with this pharmaceutical company research and development center |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 10:06:41 PM EDT
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About 30 years ago I was walking out of work and a security guard said he wanted to look in my lunch box. I opened it to show him and then I threw it in the snow bank in front of the guard house. I told him to feel free to look in it any time he wanted. Their job site their rules.
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Posted: 12/19/2014 10:06:57 PM EDT
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Ok. Roll with it. If they try to search you, refuse. You lose your job and go find another. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I know, their job, their rules. But this is the 1st I have ever felt with that Went out of their way to stress this. As far as theft, there is nothing of The company to steal. Just typical construction/trade shit. So wire, power Tools. Which is pretty damn hard to steal without someone noticing. I am just one of those guys that my damn truck is my truck and if you want To search my shit, you better get a warrant or have PC to search. And unless your a cop, you can take that PC and stick it up your ass. Just bugs the shit out of me , just as bad as a credit check for new hire Because if you have bad credit, you might be a thief. Ok. Roll with it. If they try to search you, refuse. You lose your job and go find another. This. My employer has the same rules. I lock my truck, they would have to illegally break and enter to search it. If they wanted to search it, my employment with the company is probably over anyway. |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 10:10:38 PM EDT
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Get a cheap bike, throw it in your truck, drive to nearby. "Bike" to work from there.
"Sure, search my bike!"
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Posted: 12/19/2014 10:15:17 PM EDT
[#23]
Same thing where I am currently working. Want to search my vehicle? LOL. I carry anyway.
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Posted: 12/19/2014 10:17:39 PM EDT
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Texas has a parking lot law, employers cannot prohibit carry in your car. It took years to get it because USAA fought hard to keep it from passing according to the TSRA. There are exceptions to this... Federal property for one. |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 10:20:17 PM EDT
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I work at a US Federal facility and me and the truck are subject to search while coming or going. I have the right to turn down an entry search but they have the right to deny my entry at that point.
Lots of people park at a lot outside the front gates. |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 10:25:18 PM EDT
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I have worked at the same facility for 30 years and there are signs that indicate the same thing. Never once have I ever heard of it happening.
And if you are not parked in a secured area (fenced in owned by employer) then I can't see how they can do squat. Sure they may have the right to search you or your bag or whatever when you leave the secured area but not a vehicle that is accessible to the public in a non secured area. |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 10:27:58 PM EDT
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Have the same thing at my job, when i asked about it i was told that in 30 odd years they have only searched one car and that was because the guy was stealing parts and selling them. otherwise they dont care about what you have in your POV.
I know some supervisors that have trunkfull of booze (they are sober and dont drink at work) and most of the people i work with carry and leave it in the car. Like others have said they use it if they think you are stealing or doing other bad things |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 10:28:29 PM EDT
[#28]
You have the right not to work there
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Posted: 12/19/2014 10:30:48 PM EDT
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i am working on a medical research facility and today was Orientation. We have security on site, and one of the things That came up was our vehicles are subject to search at any Time. Is the parking lot outside the gate their private property or a public area? O.C.G.A. § 16-11-126 "(d) Any person who is not prohibited by law from possessing a handgun or long gun who is eligible for a weapons carry license may transport a handgun or long gun in any private passenger motor vehicle; provided, however, that private property owners or persons in legal control of private property through a lease, rental agreement, licensing agreement, contract, or any other agreement to control access to such private property shall have the right to exclude or eject a person who is in possession of a weapon or long gun on their private property in accordance with paragraph (3) of subsection (b) of Code Section 16-7-21, except as provided in Code Section 16-11-135." You need to read O.C.G.A. § 16-11-135 and see if your employer meets any of the exemptions in part (d). The Georgia Department of Homeland Security website is currently broken, so good luck determining your employer's status without contacting a lawyer or the state via snail mail. If they don't qualify for any of the exemptions, your proper course of action would be to sue them for violating 16-11-135, then quit and find a new job at a company you didn't have to sue since the current one is going to hate you afterwards. |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 10:30:50 PM EDT
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No different than my house or yours. I allow CC of course. If drinks are served I ask that the pistols go on top of the hutch.
You see a row of pistol butts poking out. Guests who show up later who aren't carrying are often rather curious. |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 10:32:29 PM EDT
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I worked in the nuclear field for 6 years. After getting to know the guards and talking about the whole vehicle search policy I decided to bring my handgun with me and lock it in my jeep. Not once in six years was my jeep ever search, and from casual conversation with plant personal , and guards it became quiet clear that many folks did the same... There rules there policy dose not trump my life my safety..
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Posted: 12/19/2014 10:32:43 PM EDT
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I work at a military ammunition plant and they have the same search rules. I have never seen a car get searched once it is passed the initial gate. Like everybody else has said, their site their rules.
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Posted: 12/19/2014 10:33:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: About 30 years ago I was walking out of work and a security guard said he wanted to look in my lunch box. I opened it to show him and then I threw it in the snow bank in front of the guard house. I told him to feel free to look in it any time he wanted. Their job site their rules. 30 years ago you could walk a half a block down the street and have another job within an hour. That ain't the case today and employers know it.
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Posted: 12/19/2014 10:34:01 PM EDT
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I worked in research labs and hospitals for nearly 20 years, and all had this policy. However, I never heard of a single case of a vehicle being searched. I highly doubt they randomly pick out vehicles to search. I suspect this policy is to give the employer a tool to use in case of suspected employee theft (of drugs, computer equipment, microscopes, digital cameras, etc). Same. We are subject to search as well and in my time there so far, the only persons I have heard of getting busted was a food service supervisor taking 2 liters of pop home and a housekeeper taking a bunch of garbage bags. The security where I work are typically sucking up to the ER cops hoping to get into law enforcement, sleeping, or messing around on their phones so not much really gets stopped if their is anything untoward going on. But technically I can have my locker or vehicle searched and can be forced to take a pee test at any time under my contract. |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 10:37:06 PM EDT
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Private businesses should be able to trespass you at any time for any reason.
You still have the right to refuse those searches but they have the right to shit can you. |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 10:39:46 PM EDT
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I know, their job, their rules. But this is the 1st I have ever dealt with that Went out of their way to stress this. As far as theft, there is nothing of The company to steal. Just typical construction/trade shit. So wire, power Tools. Which is pretty damn hard to steal without someone noticing. I am just one of those guys that my damn truck is my truck and if you want To search my shit, you better get a warrant or have PC to search. And unless your a cop, you can take that PC and stick it up your ass. Just bugs the shit out of me , just as bad as a credit check for new hire Because if you have bad credit, you might be a thief. Welcome to the working world. Companies do what they do because they have been fucked over many times. Bad credit can be a good indicator of bad decision making skills. Searching vehicles at random prevents theft because people don't want to get snatched up. Drug tests to start working because if you can't pass one you are a retard. |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 10:40:37 PM EDT
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Private businesses should be able to trespass you at any time for any reason. You still have the right to refuse those searches but they have the right to shit can you. Actually they don't under Georgia law unless they are exempted. "(a) Except as provided in this Code section, no private or public employer, including the state and its political subdivisions, shall establish, maintain, or enforce any policy or rule that has the effect of allowing such employer or its agents to search the locked privately owned vehicles of employees or invited guests on the employer's parking lot and access thereto. (b) Except as provided in this Code section, no private or public employer, including the state and its political subdivisions, shall condition employment upon any agreement by a prospective employee that prohibits an employee from entering the parking lot and access thereto when the employee's privately owned motor vehicle contains a firearm that is locked out of sight within the trunk, glove box, or other enclosed compartment or area within such privately owned motor vehicle, provided that any applicable employees possess a Georgia weapons carry license." |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 10:41:27 PM EDT
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Exactly. My work has the same rules. I park across the street. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Their business their rules, by taking the job you are agreeing to this. Exactly. My work has the same rules. I park across the street. I do contract ndt, and am not in the same facility for more then 2 weeks.... I know the drill, you take the job and agree to their rules period. If you don't like the site , don't go to work their it's pretty simple really. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 10:45:11 PM EDT
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Pretty simple. If they ask you for the keys to do a search, quit. If they break and enter your vehicle, call the police.
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Posted: 12/19/2014 10:47:34 PM EDT
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Actually they don't under Georgia law unless they are exempted. "(a) Except as provided in this Code section, no private or public employer, including the state and its political subdivisions, shall establish, maintain, or enforce any policy or rule that has the effect of allowing such employer or its agents to search the locked privately owned vehicles of employees or invited guests on the employer's parking lot and access thereto. (b) Except as provided in this Code section, no private or public employer, including the state and its political subdivisions, shall condition employment upon any agreement by a prospective employee that prohibits an employee from entering the parking lot and access thereto when the employee's privately owned motor vehicle contains a firearm that is locked out of sight within the trunk, glove box, or other enclosed compartment or area within such privately owned motor vehicle, provided that any applicable employees possess a Georgia weapons carry license." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Private businesses should be able to trespass you at any time for any reason. You still have the right to refuse those searches but they have the right to shit can you. Actually they don't under Georgia law unless they are exempted. "(a) Except as provided in this Code section, no private or public employer, including the state and its political subdivisions, shall establish, maintain, or enforce any policy or rule that has the effect of allowing such employer or its agents to search the locked privately owned vehicles of employees or invited guests on the employer's parking lot and access thereto. (b) Except as provided in this Code section, no private or public employer, including the state and its political subdivisions, shall condition employment upon any agreement by a prospective employee that prohibits an employee from entering the parking lot and access thereto when the employee's privately owned motor vehicle contains a firearm that is locked out of sight within the trunk, glove box, or other enclosed compartment or area within such privately owned motor vehicle, provided that any applicable employees possess a Georgia weapons carry license." Key word there was should. |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 10:51:47 PM EDT
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Sure you could always decline a search if they ever singled you out.
Of course that means you'd lose your job. It's your call in that situation. |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 10:53:20 PM EDT
[#42]
I got lucky. My employer recently changed the weapons policy to explicitly allow employees to keep a firearm in their car (must be out of sight and vehicle always locked).
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Posted: 12/19/2014 10:53:58 PM EDT
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Their business their rules, by taking the job you are agreeing to this. This. I do it more than you think...usually I have a reason. |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 10:59:00 PM EDT
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Texas has a parking lot law, employers cannot prohibit carry in your car. It took years to get it because USAA fought hard to keep it from passing according to the TSRA. The law is anti-private property rights, but it doesn't matter since Texas already has anti gun laws to add to all the Federal ones. Yay "free" state 
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Posted: 12/19/2014 11:02:11 PM EDT
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I got lucky. My employer recently changed the weapons policy to explicitly allow employees to keep a firearm in their car (must be out of sight and vehicle always locked). In Illinois 
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Posted: 12/19/2014 11:03:02 PM EDT
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Key word there was should. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Private businesses should be able to trespass you at any time for any reason. You still have the right to refuse those searches but they have the right to shit can you. Actually they don't under Georgia law unless they are exempted. "(a) Except as provided in this Code section, no private or public employer, including the state and its political subdivisions, shall establish, maintain, or enforce any policy or rule that has the effect of allowing such employer or its agents to search the locked privately owned vehicles of employees or invited guests on the employer's parking lot and access thereto. (b) Except as provided in this Code section, no private or public employer, including the state and its political subdivisions, shall condition employment upon any agreement by a prospective employee that prohibits an employee from entering the parking lot and access thereto when the employee's privately owned motor vehicle contains a firearm that is locked out of sight within the trunk, glove box, or other enclosed compartment or area within such privately owned motor vehicle, provided that any applicable employees possess a Georgia weapons carry license." Key word there was should. 
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Posted: 12/19/2014 11:06:18 PM EDT
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i am working on a medical research facility and today was Orientation. We have security on site, and one of the things That came up was our vehicles are subject to search at any Time. It's a construction site (I am an electrician) and not sure how I feel about this. I totally get once we pass the security gate and Our tool bags being searched, but to randomly pick out my truck Or anyone else's is a bit extreme to me. Invasion of privacy and All that. If the police technically have to have a warrant or PC What gives them the right? How does the hive feel about vehicle search at work My personal bitch is "no weapons" beyond the gate. So I have a nice hiding spot for my conceal carry weapon Inside my truck. Which is NOT beyond the gate (where security sits) Your consent. They don't have the right to force the search; but likewise they have no obligation to employ you either. Taking the job is a "their house, their rules" deal. |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 11:08:48 PM EDT
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I got lucky. My employer recently changed the weapons policy to explicitly allow employees to keep a firearm in their car (must be out of sight and vehicle always locked). In Illinois Yep! I know other people whose employers have done the same thing since they looked over our CCW law. However, my company also changed it for states with less recent CCW laws, such as TX, GA, and WA. |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 11:11:05 PM EDT
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I got lucky. My employer recently changed the weapons policy to explicitly allow employees to keep a firearm in their car (must be out of sight and vehicle always locked). In Illinois Mine did, too. And I'm also in Illinois. |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 11:25:20 PM EDT
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As they point and say "there's the gate". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I know, their job, their rules. But this is the 1st I have ever felt with that Went out of their way to stress this. As far as theft, there is nothing of The company to steal. Just typical construction/trade shit. So wire, power Tools. Which is pretty damn hard to steal without someone noticing. I am just one of those guys that my damn truck is my truck and if you want To search my shit, you better get a warrant or have PC to search. And unless your a cop, you can take that PC and stick it up your ass. Just bugs the shit out of me , just as bad as a credit check for new hire Because if you have bad credit, you might be a thief. As they point and say "there's the gate". And thats fine with me. not letting anyone search my vehicle. |
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