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Senator Rubio made his case on Mark Levin today http://therightscoop.com/listen-to-marco-rubios-fantastic-interview-with-mark-levin-on-cuba/ View Quote None of that matters, the left loves commies. |
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Quoted: None of that matters, the left loves commies. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Senator Rubio made his case on Mark Levin today http://therightscoop.com/listen-to-marco-rubios-fantastic-interview-with-mark-levin-on-cuba/ None of that matters, the left loves commies. Skip to 7:09 to hear about that.
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Of course, but this thread is about Rand Paul and Marco Rubio taking opposite sides on this. Skip to 7:09 to hear about that. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Senator Rubio made his case on Mark Levin today http://therightscoop.com/listen-to-marco-rubios-fantastic-interview-with-mark-levin-on-cuba/ None of that matters, the left loves commies. Skip to 7:09 to hear about that. Powerful stuff. Doesn't look good for Rand IMO. |
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These bashing Rand threads are becoming quite humorous. Topic starts out about Rubio's isolationist views on Cuba and gets derailed to "Rand questions police power and likes black people." I always find it interesting that people who constantly bash anything libertarian feel the need to claim they supported Rand at some point until he did "X". I always find it interesting that Paul supporters constantly strive to divert attention away from his words and his actions when they are too damaging to spin. I'm tired of RINOS like McCain and Rand Paul who say that they "reach across the aisle to solve our country's problems". Or who suck up to racist charlatan scumbags of the likes of Al Sharpton and Barack Obama for political gain. Yup, Rand Paul's documented predeliction for pandering Herp a Derp is as funny as hell. Sucking up to Sharpton . Reaching across the aisle RINO bullshit. Adopting Obama's foreign policy towards Cuba. Funny, funny stuff. Perhaps Rand Paul will follow Obama's degrading apology to the Cuban People for American colonialism with one of his own. |
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Powerful stuff. Doesn't look good for Rand IMO. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Senator Rubio made his case on Mark Levin today http://therightscoop.com/listen-to-marco-rubios-fantastic-interview-with-mark-levin-on-cuba/ None of that matters, the left loves commies. Skip to 7:09 to hear about that. Powerful stuff. Doesn't look good for Rand IMO. Rubio certainly made a strong case for his argument leaving Rand Paul to appear foolish and naive rather than Presidential material. |
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same here, and since we live in Ky and are the ones who elect him, I dont much give a fuck what other non KY resident arfcommers , or anyone else thinks. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I still stand with Rand. He matches my views on most issues. same here, and since we live in Ky and are the ones who elect him, I dont much give a fuck what other non KY resident arfcommers , or anyone else thinks. And we want you to keep him. Re-elect him forever. Like the Bushes, Clintons, and Kennedys, he is of and part of the professional political class. The rest of us have had about enough of that. |
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Senator Rubio made his case on Mark Levin today http://therightscoop.com/listen-to-marco-rubios-fantastic-interview-with-mark-levin-on-cuba/ View Quote That was pretty impressive. Not enough to make me vote for Rubio in a GOP Primary - I'm firmly in the Scott Walker camp right now - but at least enough to make him more palatable as a VP Nominee (mainly due to the need to win FL). Still like someone like Susanna Martinez better though. |
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Congress definitely needs to vote on it, just in terms of rule of law. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I'm torn about ending the embargo. I think Congress should vote on it. Congress definitely needs to vote on it, just in terms of rule of law. The Embargo is statutory. No decent conservative would applaud its elimination via Executive fiat. |
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Rand Paul simply has the good sense to see it as pretty much a non-issue (we support commie countries every day with our trade) while Rubio's pandering to his old-assed moneyed Cuban American supporters is plain for all to see. View Quote If Rand Paul ends up as the nominee, he may rue the day he turned his back on those 'old-assed moneyed Cuban American supporters'. And let's be honest, it isn't like Rand has proven himself to be a Paragon of Anti-Pandering. So why not 'pander' to successful and patriotic anti-communists? It's still better than pandering to gang-banging looters. |
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Have you ever stood next to either of them? Wee men, they are. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The wee little fellows are fighting. Anyone is skinny next to Chris Christie. Have you ever stood next to either of them? Wee men, they are. No I did not know that. |
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If you can't trust them with a ballot or a gun they should still be in prison. A free man is supposed to be free, no? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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2) Increased voting by felons. If you can't trust them with a ballot or a gun they should still be in prison. A free man is supposed to be free, no? And to what audience was Rand making that argument? |
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And to what audience was Rand making that argument? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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2) Increased voting by felons. If you can't trust them with a ballot or a gun they should still be in prison. A free man is supposed to be free, no? And to what audience was Rand making that argument? When he made similar statements in Louisville earlier this year, it was to men (and women) whom had served their time, turned their lives around, and became beacons in the West Louisville communities for success after incarceration. Didn't read what p-d had linked to, sorry. But I remember the same comments from February or so. Local news ran the story, think WLKY. |
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If you can't trust them with a ballot or a gun they should still be in prison. A free man is supposed to be free, no? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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2) Increased voting by felons. If you can't trust them with a ballot or a gun they should still be in prison. A free man is supposed to be free, no? So you would favor things like elimination of parole and probation and Rand's Prop 47 style proposal to expunge criminal records? Interesting perspective, but I take a more traditionally conservative view towards the franchise. |
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So you would favor things like elimination of parole and probation and Rand's Prop 47 style proposal to expunge criminal records? Interesting perspective, but I take a more traditionally conservative view towards the franchise. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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2) Increased voting by felons. If you can't trust them with a ballot or a gun they should still be in prison. A free man is supposed to be free, no? So you would favor things like elimination of parole and probation and Rand's Prop 47 style proposal to expunge criminal records? Interesting perspective, but I take a more traditionally conservative view towards the franchise. Yes to the "no parole", they serve the full time, no "good behavior" early releases or the ilk. Records for anything under 18 are supposed to be sealed anyways, don't see a need to expunge them, do you? |
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Yes to the "no parole", they serve the full time, no "good behavior" early releases or the ilk. Records for anything under 18 are supposed to be sealed anyways, don't see a need to expunge them, do you? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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2) Increased voting by felons. If you can't trust them with a ballot or a gun they should still be in prison. A free man is supposed to be free, no? So you would favor things like elimination of parole and probation and Rand's Prop 47 style proposal to expunge criminal records? Interesting perspective, but I take a more traditionally conservative view towards the franchise. Yes to the "no parole", they serve the full time, no "good behavior" early releases or the ilk. Records for anything under 18 are supposed to be sealed anyways, don't see a need to expunge them, do you? Just to be clear, Rand Paul has come out firmly against the 'Serve the full time' approach. His opinions on this have already been posted in this thread. And I'm against record expunging on principle. If anything what has unfolded during the Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown cases demonstrate that there are legions of offenders who exploit their status as juveniles to wreak havoc in their communities. We need stricter standards in criminal tracking and sentencing, not more relaxed standards. |
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Just to be clear, Rand Paul has come out firmly against the 'Serve the full time' approach. And I'm against record expunging on principle. If anything the what has unfolded during the Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown cases demonstrate that there are legions of offenders who exploit their status as juveniles to wreak havoc in their communities. We need stricter standards in criminal tracking and sentencing, not more relaxed standards. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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2) Increased voting by felons. If you can't trust them with a ballot or a gun they should still be in prison. A free man is supposed to be free, no? So you would favor things like elimination of parole and probation and Rand's Prop 47 style proposal to expunge criminal records? Interesting perspective, but I take a more traditionally conservative view towards the franchise. Yes to the "no parole", they serve the full time, no "good behavior" early releases or the ilk. Records for anything under 18 are supposed to be sealed anyways, don't see a need to expunge them, do you? Just to be clear, Rand Paul has come out firmly against the 'Serve the full time' approach. And I'm against record expunging on principle. If anything the what has unfolded during the Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown cases demonstrate that there are legions of offenders who exploit their status as juveniles to wreak havoc in their communities. We need stricter standards in criminal tracking and sentencing, not more relaxed standards. I know the bolded part. No person is perfect, because mankind itself is not perfect. You weren't assuming I felt he was, were you? If so, that would have been your first mistake. |
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The real point is that the substance of these arguments becomes irrelevant, as soon as one realizes that it's part of a larger pattern of pandering to different audiences.
It is unfortunate that he puts his diehard supporters and defenders of the "Paul" brand into such a position of having to defend such fecklessness. No Republican candidate or politician should ever feel the need to sit down and talk with Al Sharpton. |
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I know the bolded part. No person is perfect, because mankind itself is not perfect. You weren't assuming I felt he was, were you? If so, that would have been your first mistake. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Just to be clear, Rand Paul has come out firmly against the 'Serve the full time' approach. And I'm against record expunging on principle. If anything the what has unfolded during the Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown cases demonstrate that there are legions of offenders who exploit their status as juveniles to wreak havoc in their communities. We need stricter standards in criminal tracking and sentencing, not more relaxed standards. I know the bolded part. No person is perfect, because mankind itself is not perfect. You weren't assuming I felt he was, were you? If so, that would have been your first mistake. I didn't assume anything, I was simply pointing out that my dispute was with Rand Paul's stated position and not yours as a matter of clarity and courtesy. |
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The real point is that the substance of these arguments becomes irrelevant, as soon as one realizes that it's part of a larger pattern of pandering to different audiences. It is unfortunate that he puts his diehard supporters and defenders of the "Paul" brand into such a position of having to defend such fecklessness. View Quote That's an issue with most RINOs. Anyone old enough to have lived through the 90s can recall John McCain ending up in these situations constantly - give an interview to CNN or ABC, make some questionable statement trying to 'find common ground' with his audience and then run around explaining 'what he really meant'. |
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That's an issue with most RINOs. Anyone old enough to have lived through the 90s can recall John McCain ending up in these situations constantly - give an interview to CNN or ABC, make some questionable statement trying to 'find common ground' with his audience and then run around explaining 'what he really meant'. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The real point is that the substance of these arguments becomes irrelevant, as soon as one realizes that it's part of a larger pattern of pandering to different audiences. It is unfortunate that he puts his diehard supporters and defenders of the "Paul" brand into such a position of having to defend such fecklessness. That's an issue with most RINOs. Anyone old enough to have lived through the 90s can recall John McCain ending up in these situations constantly - give an interview to CNN or ABC, make some questionable statement trying to 'find common ground' with his audience and then run around explaining 'what he really meant'. I spent about an hour with Senator Joe Manchin a couple of weeks ago. He seemed to be of the impression that being a Moderate "reach across the aisle" kind of guy was a virtue, in and of itself. He made this point again and again. On substance, however, he was either ill-informed or holding the Leftist position (while insisting it was Moderate). Not impressive. |
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I spent about an hour with Senator Joe Manchin a couple of weeks ago. He seemed to be of the impression that being a Moderate "reach across the aisle" kind of guy was a virtue, in and of itself. He made this point again and again. On substance, however, he was either ill-informed or holding the Leftist position (while insisting it was Moderate). Not impressive. View Quote That thinking is a pox. GWB (and his father before him) gave in to that urge and look where it left them. That's why I still have such a high opinion of Dick Cheney - he understands what the score is and doesn't back down (See: his impressive defense of the EIT program). |
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Weekly Standard takes Rand to task: Rand Just Doesn't Understand: In a recent op-ed, Rand Paul argues for President Obama's foreign policy
Senator Rand Paul has an op-ed in Time magazine making the case for normalizing diplomatic relations with Cuba as Barack Obama has proposed. It’s a reasonable objective for U.S. policy and there’s a good case to be made that the embargo on Cuba is anachronistic.
But Paul doesn’t make that case. Instead, he offers comforting bromides about the wonders of engagement and relies on examples that suggest he may not have been paying much attention to national security over the past three decades. It’s worth taking the time to read the entire piece, particularly as Paul considers presenting himself as a candidate for the presidency in 2016. It’s a striking claim. Paul cites the examples of Iran and North Korea to make his point that diplomacy doesn’t make the United States less safe. But U.S. diplomacy in those places has failed repeatedly and left us unquestionably less safe. On Iran, the U.S. reengagement began under George W. Bush, and despite our willing diplomacy the Iranian regime: accelerated its nuclear weapons program; expanded its support for regional terrorist groups; harbored senior al Qaeda figures and their families; and funded, trained, and equipped jihadists responsible for the deaths of hundreds of U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. In North Korea, despite our on-and-off discussions “stretching back to the Clinton administration,” the unstable, belligerent regime in North Korea became a nuclear power. Soon after, North Korea was caught, red-handed, sharing nuclear technology with Syria, a rogue state that like North Korea was listed on the U.S. State Department’s list of state sponsors of terror. These are Rand Paul’s examples of good diplomacy. View Quote |
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