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Posted: 12/19/2014 1:20:00 PM EDT
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I believe the Colorado flows fully through the US and only stops in Mexico. Sounds like Mexico's problem. I like rivers and natural beauty as much as the next guy, but I am a nationalist and I don't see why we should do anything that benefits another country. If we can use all that water in the US we probably should. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/special-features/2014/12/141216-colorado-river-delta-restoration-water-drought-environment/ Don't know how to feel about this. On the one hand the rivers natural course is beautiful and it's restoration is a nice thing in theory. However Humans in America can use that water, as opposed to birds and trees in Mexico. Yeah, Las Vegas just wouldn't look right without lush, verdant golf courses. Golf courses provide jobs and entertainment for Americans. So do free flowing rivers. I believe the Colorado flows fully through the US and only stops in Mexico. Sounds like Mexico's problem. I like rivers and natural beauty as much as the next guy, but I am a nationalist and I don't see why we should do anything that benefits another country. If we can use all that water in the US we probably should. There's a lot you don't know. First, treaties recognize Mexico is ENTITLED to a portion of the Colorado's flow. The US stores Mexico's share until they want it. So, if Mexico wants to "dilute the Gulf" as someone else put it, that's their business. What releasing the water also does is raise the water table in the aquifer, allowing people to draw water from their wells. |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 1:24:58 PM EDT
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"Flows into the sea for the first time in years." Pretty sure the Colorado has been flowing into the Gulf of Mexico through Texas for some time now. Doth that not count? You must have been an outstanding Geography student. Outstanding in the hall!  The Colorado is on the western slope of the continental divide. It flows west, to the Pacific. (via the Gulf of CALIFORNIA)
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Posted: 12/19/2014 1:27:09 PM EDT
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Stupid.
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Posted: 12/19/2014 1:30:03 PM EDT
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I was using the editorial you. Not everyone believes that God told humans to subdue anything. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Man was given the command to subdue the land a long time ago If you believe that. Yes I do I was using the editorial you. Not everyone believes that God told humans to subdue anything. I don't care what everyone thinks There are evidences of a great worldwide flood There is evidence of an ark on Mt Ararat from that time In describing the flood, it says the waters of the abyss opened up Science is proving now that there is a great ocean beneath our feet God told Noah to subdue the earth along with multiplying I'll have to go with Genesis on this one BTW- before you form an opinion of me I was raised Catholic but haven't been to church in years |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 1:30:25 PM EDT
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Man was given the command to subdue the land a long time ago As long as we meet our responsibilities in that, no reason to feel guilty when altering nature for our purposes Leviticus 19:9-10 ESV “When you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not reap your field right up to its edge, neither shall you gather the gleanings after your harvest. And you shall not strip your vineyard bare, neither shall you gather the fallen grapes of your vineyard. You shall leave them for the poor and for the sojourner: I am the Lord your God. You mean this command? I would say making it dry strips the vineyard, but I guess you only refer to the parts that serve you |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 1:33:29 PM EDT
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Man was given the command to subdue the land a long time ago If you believe that. Yes I do Agreed |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 1:34:34 PM EDT
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There are evidences of a great worldwide flood There is evidence of an ark on Mt Ararat from that time In describing the flood, it says the waters of the abyss opened up Science is proving now that there is a great ocean beneath our feet Yeah, sorry, none of that is correct. |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 1:36:54 PM EDT
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Yeah, sorry, none of that is correct. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There are evidences of a great worldwide flood There is evidence of an ark on Mt Ararat from that time In describing the flood, it says the waters of the abyss opened up Science is proving now that there is a great ocean beneath our feet Yeah, sorry, none of that is correct. LOL I can prove all of what I just stated But life is too short to give you links I'll leave that job to you |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 1:37:20 PM EDT
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You must have been an outstanding Geography student. Outstanding in the hall! The Colorado is on the western slope of the continental divide. It flows west, to the Pacific. (via the Gulf of CALIFORNIA)Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"Flows into the sea for the first time in years." Pretty sure the Colorado has been flowing into the Gulf of Mexico through Texas for some time now. Doth that not count? You must have been an outstanding Geography student. Outstanding in the hall! The Colorado is on the western slope of the continental divide. It flows west, to the Pacific. (via the Gulf of CALIFORNIA)It's being diverted to the Rio Grande via tunnels. Colorado River |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 1:38:31 PM EDT
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Yeah, sorry, none of that is correct. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There are evidences of a great worldwide flood There is evidence of an ark on Mt Ararat from that time In describing the flood, it says the waters of the abyss opened up Science is proving now that there is a great ocean beneath our feet Yeah, sorry, none of that is correct. That is not correct. |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 1:46:14 PM EDT
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Ok, here's one link. I've got things to do and here I am on arf debating an atheist
http://www.iflscience.com/environment/huge-underground-ocean-discovered-towards-earths-core |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 1:46:36 PM EDT
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LOL I can prove all of what I just stated But life is too short to give you links I'll leave that job to you Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There are evidences of a great worldwide flood There is evidence of an ark on Mt Ararat from that time In describing the flood, it says the waters of the abyss opened up Science is proving now that there is a great ocean beneath our feet Yeah, sorry, none of that is correct. LOL I can prove all of what I just stated But life is too short to give you links I'll leave that job to you No, you can't. You can give me links to websites but the fact that something is on the internet doesn't make it factual. |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 1:46:55 PM EDT
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There are evidences of a great worldwide flood There is evidence of an ark on Mt Ararat from that time In describing the flood, it says the waters of the abyss opened up Science is proving now that there is a great ocean beneath our feet Yeah, sorry, none of that is correct. That is not correct. Yes, it is. |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 1:48:07 PM EDT
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Ok, here's one link. I've got things to do and here I am on arf debating an atheist
http://www.iflscience.com/environment/huge-underground-ocean-discovered-towards-earths-core I'm not an atheist. There are many more possibilities than literalist creationist/atheist. And your link doesn't work. |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 1:52:05 PM EDT
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I support this.
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Posted: 12/19/2014 1:52:25 PM EDT
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Please don't sidetrack the thread.
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Posted: 12/19/2014 1:56:11 PM EDT
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Keep the water in the US, it will still benefit the Mexicans.
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Posted: 12/19/2014 1:59:45 PM EDT
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All for it.
Let if flow..... Dorado fishing off Santa Clara should be Awesome  this summer
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Posted: 12/19/2014 2:00:33 PM EDT
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For all the haters out there, think of it in these terms...say you have a small creek that runs through your property. It's not much of a creek and it gets down to a 2 foot wide drainage ditch in the summer and winter. However, you use it to pump water for your garden or for some other purpose. One day, the guy upstream decides that he needs the water more than you do and uses the creek to fill up a fishing pond. He uses the water from that pond for irrigation and what not. He told you that once the pond was full, he'd start letting some more over the dam to start the creek up again. However, once he starts pulling water for his crops, the water never makes it over the dam. No problem, during the winter, he won't need the water. Too bad, there's a bit of a drought and the water still never makes it over the dam. Now, you really need the water, so you arrange to pay this guy to let some of the water out of this dam for a couple of days in the spring. Are you really going to be happy that not only did you have to pay for what used to be free, but now there's other people bitching about the guy giving you any water in the first place. I mean, the water flows through his property. If he wants to use every last drop, that's not your problem.
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Posted: 12/19/2014 2:30:05 PM EDT
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How does this effect the price of Dasani?
Because if it lowers the cost of a case of Dasani drinking water, I'm for it - otherwise I'm against it. Oh, and if anyone else forgot to say it, fuck Mexico. If it was some friendly country, like Canada, I'd be more inclined to give them all the water we could spare - and end the War on Water. |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 2:40:59 PM EDT
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California should be pumping it's treated water back to where they took it. It would certainly help the Colorado.
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Posted: 12/19/2014 3:29:20 PM EDT
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1. I'm glad were helping to restore the Delta.
2. Fuck Vegas (and southern CA for that matter). 3. Easterners should shut up about Western Water Rights and Usage. |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 3:40:21 PM EDT
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1. I'm glad were helping to restore the Delta. 2. Fuck Vegas (and southern CA for that matter). 3. Easterners should shut up about Western Water Rights and Usage. QFT |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 4:03:38 PM EDT
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Wouldn't it make sense for them to build a dam right before the river hits the ocean? I am no dam guru but couldn't you control how much water stays in the river for longer periods of time rather than just letting it all piss into the ocean all at once.
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Posted: 12/19/2014 4:42:46 PM EDT
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Wouldn't it make sense for them to build a dam right before the river hits the ocean? I am no dam guru but couldn't you control how much water stays in the river for longer periods of time rather than just letting it all piss into the ocean all at once. You don't know the Colorado river, do you. Google, it's a motherfucker. |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 4:47:53 PM EDT
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You do realize that Nevada gets the smallest allocation of Colorado River water, by a long shot. As for golf courses, google 'reuse water'. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/special-features/2014/12/141216-colorado-river-delta-restoration-water-drought-environment/ Don't know how to feel about this. On the one hand the rivers natural course is beautiful and it's restoration is a nice thing in theory. However Humans in America can use that water, as opposed to birds and trees in Mexico. Yeah, Las Vegas just wouldn't look right without lush, verdant golf courses. As for golf courses, google 'reuse water'. I think Nevada gets more than we do, not that we really need it ;-) |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 4:53:07 PM EDT
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Location of the Morelos Dam 
Colorado River water flow two miles below the Morelos Dam (it ends) 
Mexico normally uses it's portion of the Colorado River water to water crops in the Mexicali Valley |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 4:53:13 PM EDT
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You don't know the Colorado river, do you. Google, it's a motherfucker. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wouldn't it make sense for them to build a dam right before the river hits the ocean? I am no dam guru but couldn't you control how much water stays in the river for longer periods of time rather than just letting it all piss into the ocean all at once. You don't know the Colorado river, do you. Google, it's a motherfucker. Not well. I thought the point of the whole project was to have water in the river. The pulse method they use now to do this project coupled with one or more dam at the end of the road could help the river stay full for a longer period of time. In theory of course. |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 4:53:19 PM EDT
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For all the haters out there, think of it in these terms...say you have a small creek that runs through your property. It's not much of a creek and it gets down to a 2 foot wide drainage ditch in the summer and winter. However, you use it to pump water for your garden or for some other purpose. One day, the guy upstream decides that he needs the water more than you do and uses the creek to fill up a fishing pond. He uses the water from that pond for irrigation and what not. He told you that once the pond was full, he'd start letting some more over the dam to start the creek up again. However, once he starts pulling water for his crops, the water never makes it over the dam. No problem, during the winter, he won't need the water. Too bad, there's a bit of a drought and the water still never makes it over the dam. Now, you really need the water, so you arrange to pay this guy to let some of the water out of this dam for a couple of days in the spring. Are you really going to be happy that not only did you have to pay for what used to be free, but now there's other people bitching about the guy giving you any water in the first place. I mean, the water flows through his property. If he wants to use every last drop, that's not your problem. Not in Virginia..... ....an owner of land bordering on water the right to use that water so long as he does not unreasonably affect the usage of other riparian land owners. |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 4:54:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The river was blind the whole time. ... of course it was, nit wit. Think before posting
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Posted: 12/19/2014 5:05:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Golf courses provide jobs and entertainment for Americans. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/special-features/2014/12/141216-colorado-river-delta-restoration-water-drought-environment/ Don't know how to feel about this. On the one hand the rivers natural course is beautiful and it's restoration is a nice thing in theory. However Humans in America can use that water, as opposed to birds and trees in Mexico. Yeah, Las Vegas just wouldn't look right without lush, verdant golf courses. Golf courses provide jobs and entertainment for Americans. |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 5:06:05 PM EDT
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I don't care what everyone thinks There are evidences of a great worldwide flood There is evidence of an ark on Mt Ararat from that time In describing the flood, it says the waters of the abyss opened up Science is proving now that there is a great ocean beneath our feet God told Noah to subdue the earth along with multiplying I'll have to go with Genesis on this one BTW- before you form an opinion of me I was raised Catholic but haven't been to church in years Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Man was given the command to subdue the land a long time ago If you believe that. Yes I do I was using the editorial you. Not everyone believes that God told humans to subdue anything. I don't care what everyone thinks There are evidences of a great worldwide flood There is evidence of an ark on Mt Ararat from that time In describing the flood, it says the waters of the abyss opened up Science is proving now that there is a great ocean beneath our feet God told Noah to subdue the earth along with multiplying I'll have to go with Genesis on this one BTW- before you form an opinion of me I was raised Catholic but haven't been to church in years lol |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 5:27:37 PM EDT
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I wonder if people posting "want water, don't live in a desert" realize that most of the people making use of the Colorado (and keeping it from reaching the sea) live in southern California & Phoenix areas?
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Posted: 12/19/2014 6:10:11 PM EDT
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Thanks to the return of some water to the Colorado River Delta, animals like Gila woodpeckers, coyotes, and beavers (respectively) are seeing a resurgence.  that's funny right there.
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Posted: 12/19/2014 6:13:08 PM EDT
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You must have been an outstanding Geography student. Outstanding in the hall! The Colorado is on the western slope of the continental divide. It flows west, to the Pacific. (via the Gulf of CALIFORNIA)Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"Flows into the sea for the first time in years." Pretty sure the Colorado has been flowing into the Gulf of Mexico through Texas for some time now. Doth that not count? You must have been an outstanding Geography student. Outstanding in the hall! The Colorado is on the western slope of the continental divide. It flows west, to the Pacific. (via the Gulf of CALIFORNIA)Common Core. |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 6:17:10 PM EDT
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Yeah and KS and NE are entitled to CO snow as well
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Posted: 12/19/2014 6:17:36 PM EDT
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If you fly over any city in CO, but I'll use COS as an example since I always fly out of there you see a big, dusty brown, bleak state that turns green when you enter the cities.
Everyone has lawns, a lot of people have pools--in an arid climate. The only naturally "green" parts of the state are the mountain cities, like where I live in Woodland Park. There's just a disconnect that you need a lawn or pool in a state that has usually little precipitation. BTW, this year was super wet, which is why the river was so full. Don't expect it to last--maybe with the meltwater we we may get some moisture... or mudslides. |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 6:22:31 PM EDT
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"Flows into the sea for the first time in years." Pretty sure the Colorado has been flowing into the Gulf of Mexico through Texas for some time now. Doth that not count? You must have been an outstanding Geography student. Outstanding in the hall! The Colorado is on the western slope of the continental divide. It flows west, to the Pacific. (via the Gulf of CALIFORNIA)Common Core. Funny thing is you 2 are the ignorant ones
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Posted: 12/19/2014 6:29:44 PM EDT
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http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/special-features/2014/12/141216-colorado-river-delta-restoration-water-drought-environment/ Don't know how to feel about this. On the one hand the rivers natural course is beautiful and it's restoration is a nice thing in theory. However Humans in America can use that water, as opposed to birds and trees in Mexico. Yeah, Las Vegas just wouldn't look right without lush, verdant golf courses. Who goes outside in Vegas? 
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Posted: 12/19/2014 6:38:26 PM EDT
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I did not realize the river had been completely shut off. . Either did I. |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 6:41:36 PM EDT
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Mexican citizens are here using the water so we are even. That's our story and we're sticking to it. |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 6:42:14 PM EDT
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I did not realize the river had been completely shut off. . Either did I. But it is Mexico taking the last drops for their farms. |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 6:48:57 PM EDT
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Trust me i live on the colorado and what mexico gets is a joke its califonia thats stealingthe damn water from us ! I can walk 40 feet accoss at knee deep they get very little and they have farming communities right next door. Colorado gets almost as much as CA. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_River_Compact It's mostly going to ag anyway, in AZ and CA. To quote the old bag, "what difference does it make anyway?" |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 7:08:39 PM EDT
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Darn. So rather than making money with that water we're using it to dilute the Gulf of California? This. But, BUT but... Fuck that we are Man. Txl |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 7:31:25 PM EDT
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You must have been an outstanding Geography student. Outstanding in the hall! The Colorado is on the western slope of the continental divide. It flows west, to the Pacific. (via the Gulf of CALIFORNIA)Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"Flows into the sea for the first time in years." Pretty sure the Colorado has been flowing into the Gulf of Mexico through Texas for some time now. Doth that not count? You must have been an outstanding Geography student. Outstanding in the hall! The Colorado is on the western slope of the continental divide. It flows west, to the Pacific. (via the Gulf of CALIFORNIA)There's actually two Colorado Rivers in the US, one is located entirely within Texas and doesn't connect to the one we're talking about: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_River http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_River_(Texas) It confused me too when I first moved down here. |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 8:08:20 PM EDT
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Golf courses provide jobs and entertainment for Americans. A golf course is a waste of what should be a shooting range. |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 8:11:46 PM EDT
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http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/special-features/2014/12/141216-colorado-river-delta-restoration-water-drought-environment/ Don't know how to feel about this. On the one hand the rivers natural course is beautiful and it's restoration is a nice thing in theory. However Humans in America can use that water, as opposed to birds and trees in Mexico. Move where there is plentiful water. Problem solved. The rust belt will be back. |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 8:17:25 PM EDT
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Maybe Alabama and Florida can use this a precedent to keep those thieving Georgia sunzabitches from stealing the water from the Alabama-Coosa-Tallapoosa and the Apalachicola-Chattahoochee-Flint water basins for the dung heap better known as Atlanta.  That water is ours. Keep bitching and I'll go piss in the little bit we let you have!
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Posted: 12/19/2014 8:18:18 PM EDT
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So we give them more water from the Colorado but they tell us to get fucked on the Rio even though they owe it to us by law. Sounds about right for US - Mexico relations. |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 8:28:49 PM EDT
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people have been shot over water out there
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