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Posted: 12/18/2014 10:16:18 PM EDT
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So does the Russian ruble value crash mean cheaper ammo for us here in the U.S.? I remember $69.00 cases of Wolf 7.62x39 and sub $100 case of .223 back in the day. I realize raw materials are higher now but shouldn't we see cheaper ammo thanks to a weaker ruble? I like the way you think. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 10:18:05 PM EDT
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I wouldn't count on that when their economy is spiraling down.
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Posted: 12/18/2014 10:25:40 PM EDT
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Sub $100 .223 again? I will take 2 pallets please
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Posted: 12/18/2014 10:28:06 PM EDT
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Would be nice, I still have 7.63x39 Wolf that was $74.00 per 1000, 2001 or so.
Doubt that it will happen. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 10:28:13 PM EDT
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So does the Russian ruble value crash mean cheaper ammo for us here in the U.S.? I remember $69.00 cases of Wolf 7.62x39 and sub $100 case of .223 back in the day. I realize raw materials are higher now but shouldn't we see cheaper ammo thanks to a weaker ruble? Cheaper for the importer, not for the consumer! Free market. How does it work? If you need an example, just look at the scalping prices that CTD and other importers, distributors, and retailers charged when Obama took office. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 10:30:45 PM EDT
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Cheaper for the importer, not for the consumer! Free market. How does it work? If you need an example, just look at the scalping prices that CTD and other importers, distributors, and retailers charged when Obama took office. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So does the Russian ruble value crash mean cheaper ammo for us here in the U.S.? I remember $69.00 cases of Wolf 7.62x39 and sub $100 case of .223 back in the day. I realize raw materials are higher now but shouldn't we see cheaper ammo thanks to a weaker ruble? Cheaper for the importer, not for the consumer! Free market. How does it work? If you need an example, just look at the scalping prices that CTD and other importers, distributors, and retailers charged when Obama took office. This...because lower fuel prices dropped airfares. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 10:40:37 PM EDT
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I don't think imports are allowed from Russia.
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Posted: 12/18/2014 10:46:13 PM EDT
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I don't think imports are allowed from Russia. They are. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 10:47:38 PM EDT
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No...because retailers know what people will pay due to demand. Even if distributors drop their price by $100...
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Posted: 12/18/2014 10:52:05 PM EDT
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Is steel any cheaper? How about lead? Gun powder? Copper?
The Russians have to buy those components with devalued Rubles. But don't let me throw a wet blanket on this circle jerk  |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 10:53:40 PM EDT
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No...because retailers know what people will pay due to demand. Even if distributors drop their price by $100... This. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 10:55:53 PM EDT
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Please, please, please!!!
I need to stock up on tins. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 11:01:20 PM EDT
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The pre-exchange price in Rubles will have to increase significantly. They can't sell it at a loss, and materials still cost rubles, it just costs significantly more rubles, as will the product.
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Posted: 12/18/2014 11:04:45 PM EDT
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The pre-exchange price in Rubles will have to increase significantly. They can't sell it at a loss, and materials still cost rubles, it just costs significantly more rubles, as will the product. This sounds about right from my experience. YMMV. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 11:06:47 PM EDT
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Sub $100 .223 again? I will take 2 pallets please yes, and 87 pallets of 7.62x39mm. Fuck .22lr!!! |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 11:07:11 PM EDT
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I wouldn't count on that when their economy is spiraling down Obama has a chance to "punish" the American gun owner another government for their providing cheap arms and ammo "bad behavior" in the spirit of BJ Billy and his Norinco ban as a trade for MFN status... |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 11:08:11 PM EDT
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So does the Russian ruble value crash mean cheaper ammo for us here in the U.S.? I remember $69.00 cases of Wolf 7.62x39 and sub $100 case of .223 back in the day. I realize raw materials are higher now but shouldn't we see cheaper ammo thanks to a weaker ruble? Agree, but 0 would respond by stopping imports ala Bubba doing it with Norinco & PolyTech. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 11:08:31 PM EDT
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No...because retailers know what people will pay due to demand. Even if distributors drop their price by $100... This. Since retailer know people paid $2k for an AR in the panic, they must not have lowered their prices right? Same with gas, once we got used to paying $4 per gallon it would never get cheaper? |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 11:08:45 PM EDT
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Is steel any cheaper? How about lead? Gun powder? Copper? The Russians have to buy those components with devalued Rubles. But don't let me throw a wet blanket on this circle jerk It is much cheaper than when prices started to explode. So is oil, gold, and silver. Ammo prices should be much cheaper. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 11:23:20 PM EDT
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No...because retailers know what people will pay due to demand. Even if distributors drop their price by $100... This. Yes... But it will take awhile. One retailer will eventually decide that he's willing to only pocket $95 of the extra margin to get a leg up on the competition. The next guy retaliates and decides that the extra $90 is fine. Then some hungry new seller decides that pocketing only $50 of the savings passed on from the distributor for himself is good enough to get some business in the door... So if the Ruble stays in the basement for a year or more, it'll be good for us. No, we won't ever see the $75 1k cases of Wolf ever again, but we might see $150 for a case, maybe even $100. It's possible. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 11:24:25 PM EDT
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Is steel any cheaper? How about lead? Gun powder? Copper? The Russians have to buy those components with devalued Rubles. But don't let me throw a wet blanket on this circle jerk Yup. It's all effected. And the stuff we are seeing on the shelves was bought and paid for more then 8 months ago. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 11:37:03 PM EDT
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Most of the 7.62x39 I've purchased over several years (Wolf) has been coming from Ukraine. However, it looks like their currency (Hryvnia) vs. US dollar has also fallen 50% over the year. I would expect this ammo to fall in price relative to the dollar. Not 50% due to demand and commodity prices.... and not immediately. Maybe 20% - that's my prediction  ..so when it does, what lesson have we learned? How deep? Definitely something to keep an eye on. |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 12:07:33 AM EDT
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These restrictions have now been expanded by Regulation 960/2014 to also apply specifically to the following companies: JSC Sirius, OJSC Stankoinstrument, OAO JSC Chemcomposite, JSC Kalashnikov, JSC Tula Arms Plant, NPK Technologii Maschinostrojenija, OAO Wysokototschnye Kompleksi, OAO Almaz Antey, and OAO NPO Bazalt Wolf ammo is mostly manufactured by Tulskiy Patronniy Zavod (Tula Cartridge Plant) |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 12:10:08 AM EDT
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These restrictions have now been expanded by Regulation 960/2014 to also apply specifically to the following companies: JSC Sirius, OJSC Stankoinstrument, OAO JSC Chemcomposite, JSC Kalashnikov, JSC Tula Arms Plant, NPK Technologii Maschinostrojenija, OAO Wysokototschnye Kompleksi, OAO Almaz Antey, and OAO NPO Bazalt Wolf ammo is mostly manufactured by Tulskiy Patronniy Zavod (Tula Cartridge Plant) Shit where did you find that? |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 12:11:45 AM EDT
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Shit where did you find that? our newest round of sanctions |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 12:14:34 AM EDT
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I'm amazed that people here don't know that everything Russian is essentially import banned.
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Posted: 12/19/2014 12:16:38 AM EDT
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Shit where did you find that? our newest round of sanctions Hopefully Wolf can get more cheap ammo from other nations like Hungary and Romania. |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 12:19:02 AM EDT
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Or they nationalize all the ammo plants and begin stocking for war.
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