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Posted: 12/18/2014 9:48:19 PM EDT
[#1]
We need government out of health care, not owning it.
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Posted: 12/18/2014 9:49:34 PM EDT
[#2]
What would it take?
An infinite supply of money.
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Posted: 12/18/2014 9:52:00 PM EDT
[#3]
It's not possible once you add humans into the equation.
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Posted: 12/18/2014 9:52:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We need government out of health care, not owning it. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 9:53:15 PM EDT
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People should be free to buy whatever insurance coverage from whatever insurance company they want.
Or better yet, people should pay their bills out of pocket. Then watch competition explode. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 9:53:56 PM EDT
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will happen once ObamaCare fails. Republicans will pass it because they dont want to be known as the party that wants to deny health care to the chirren.
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Posted: 12/18/2014 9:54:50 PM EDT
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Forget about the costs. You don't want government employees working on your body.
Read about the VA if you need any more proof. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 9:55:59 PM EDT
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Quoted: Does anybody have any realistic ways/approaches to pay for national single payer health care in the USA? What would it take to pay for such a system? Thanks Given the track record of the government to fuck up wet dreams, what drives you to ask this question? |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 9:56:16 PM EDT
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What would it take? I would suddenly need to feel the responsibility to take care of every single person in the US and all the people who moon walk over the border for the next 50 years.
Unlikely. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 9:56:43 PM EDT
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We've had public helathcare for years. Anyone who shows up to an ER must be treated, by law. Guess who was paying for that?
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Posted: 12/18/2014 9:57:49 PM EDT
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Given the track record of the government to fuck up wet dreams, what drives you to ask this question? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Does anybody have any realistic ways/approaches to pay for national single payer health care in the USA? What would it take to pay for such a system? Thanks Given the track record of the government to fuck up wet dreams, what drives you to ask this question? The fact that progressives are pushing hard for this. So I ask, how would it be funded? I don't support and I am curious to how such a universal program would be funded. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 9:58:33 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/18/2014 9:58:36 PM EDT
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We need government out of health care, not owning it. This. My version of single payer involves my doctor and I settling on a mutually agreeable price. Buying health insurance should not be any more difficult than buying car or home insurance. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 10:00:59 PM EDT
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Government out of the administration and handling of insurance-- instead, open up competition amongst insurance companies across state lines, coupled with tort reform to lower costs.
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Posted: 12/18/2014 10:05:38 PM EDT
[#15]
Sure
Take a plane ride to a tropical island. When you land you'll be greeted by Hervé Villechaize and Ricardo Montalban. They will show you the way |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 10:05:53 PM EDT
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The fact that progressives are pushing hard for this. So I ask, how would it be funded? I don't support and I am curious to how such a universal program would be funded. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Does anybody have any realistic ways/approaches to pay for national single payer health care in the USA? What would it take to pay for such a system? Thanks Given the track record of the government to fuck up wet dreams, what drives you to ask this question? The fact that progressives are pushing hard for this. So I ask, how would it be funded? I don't support and I am curious to how such a universal program would be funded. Well, they'd take about another 30% in taxes from the 30% who are now working. This, as you can well see, would start a Death Spiral where the majority of the remaining 'workers' simply quit working 'on the books'. To slow down the death spiral, the feds would print trillions; and grab cash lying in pensions, funds, and IRAs; and ration the available care alal the VA scandal. See also the UK NHS. I would remind your progressive friends that their leaders want an "Agrarian Utopia", you do know what Agrarian means right? The Khmer Rouge did it. Quite well actually, brutal shitheads killed off 30% of their own. You do know how to plow a field without tractor or animals right? |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 10:06:28 PM EDT
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Single payer means:
- no competition - no accountability - no motivation - no creativity - no innovation - no new technology - rationing of services It's not what it costs.... it's that it leads to mediocrity for everyone. Never mind the fact that it puts government in control of your health. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 10:07:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The fact that progressives are pushing hard for this. So I ask, how would it be funded? I don't support and I am curious to how such a universal program would be funded. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Does anybody have any realistic ways/approaches to pay for national single payer health care in the USA? What would it take to pay for such a system? Thanks Given the track record of the government to fuck up wet dreams, what drives you to ask this question? The fact that progressives are pushing hard for this. So I ask, how would it be funded? I don't support and I am curious to how such a universal program would be funded. How is the government funded now? You are attempting to apply logic to liberal fart bubbles. It's a null set. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 10:08:48 PM EDT
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So I take it a 'universal healthcare tax' on everyone is out of the question?
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Posted: 12/18/2014 10:10:28 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So I take it a 'universal healthcare tax' on everyone is out of the question? We already have one. It's called obamacare. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 10:10:39 PM EDT
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What would it take to pay for such a system? You, and all of us. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 10:11:13 PM EDT
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Quoted: Does anybody have any realistic ways/approaches to pay for national single payer health care in the USA? What would it take to pay for such a system? Thanks courtesy of skyrocketing co-payments and astronomical deductibles.
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Posted: 12/18/2014 10:13:37 PM EDT
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So I take it a 'universal healthcare tax' on everyone is out of the question? Everyone? Really, who do you mean exactly? You want the poor to cough up a extra $10,000 a year or something? |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 10:13:47 PM EDT
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Does anybody have any realistic ways/approaches to pay for national single payer health care in the USA? What would it take to pay for such a system? Thanks probably a 50%-70% income tax. and even then it would go bankrupt in 10 years. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 10:18:02 PM EDT
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Quoted: Does anybody have any realistic ways/approaches to pay for national single payer health care in the USA? What would it take to pay for such a system? Thanks |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 10:18:57 PM EDT
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So I take it a 'universal healthcare tax' on everyone is out of the question? Quote HistoryQuoted:
So I take it a 'universal healthcare tax' on everyone is out of the question? People can't afford to pay for their health care so you propose taxing those same people and that will make it affordable . . . how? I grew up with socialized medicine in Canada and I worked as a doctor at the VA during my training years. What you get is the following in blue: Quoted:
- no competition - no accountability - no motivation - no creativity - no innovation - no new technology - rationing of services It's not what it costs.... it's that it leads to mediocrity for everyone. Never mind the fact that it puts government in control of your health. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 10:22:36 PM EDT
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A trillion a year divided by everybody who's paying. So if a hundred million are paying in, it'd be a thousand bucks a year.
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Posted: 12/18/2014 10:26:20 PM EDT
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So I take it a 'universal healthcare tax' on everyone is out of the question? Such a tax is the Great White Whale for progressives, and if they get their way, it is coming to the United States. The favored solution is a consumption tax, similar to the value-added tax already in place in Europe and Canada. Economic transactions of any kind are taxed at a given rate (in Canada, I believe it is 17.5%), and the tax is levied at each level of production. For example, a gallon of milk would be taxed at the farm level, again when it is processed and bottled, and again when it is sold at the store. Services are also taxed. These taxes are in addition to other sales taxes, property taxes, and income taxes already levied. Such a tax structure gives the government near-total control over the economy and the allocation of resources, which has always been the ultimate goal of the totalitarian Left. Obamacare is the first step in that direction. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 10:31:46 PM EDT
[#29]
Single payer?
Here's how things are looking under our current situation per the CBO: 
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Posted: 12/18/2014 10:36:21 PM EDT
[#30]
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Does anybody have any realistic ways/approaches to pay for national single payer health care in the USA? What would it take to pay for such a system? Thanks Doesn't matter if you can afford it or not. It'll turn into a complete clusterfuck. Government accounting + central planning + life or death decisions = fail. Look at the UK, where they have doctors sitting around jerking off (sometimes literally, I'm sure) doing nothing while patients aren't treated. That's a result of quotas and mandatory minimum waits for simple procedures, because some bean counter decided that they could only "afford" to do X number of Y procedures a year. Look at their post-op mortality rates (hint: they are fucking awful). "Universal healtcare tax" means nothing; half the population doesn't pay income tax already. And this is all just assuming the government simply fucks it up out of habit and isn't abusing the vast amount of power such a system would give them. Anyone seriously asking about single-payer after the Obamacare debacle needs their head checked out. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 10:41:28 PM EDT
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Does anybody have any realistic ways/approaches to pay for national single payer health care in the USA? What would it take to pay for such a system? Thanks Rationing and political favors would be the order of the day to keep it manageable. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 10:44:07 PM EDT
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Does anybody have any realistic ways/approaches to pay for national single payer health care in the USA? What would it take to pay for such a system? Thanks No. And stop calling it "single payer." That's a liberal-speak euphemism for socialist health care. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 10:44:22 PM EDT
[#33]
you pay for you and leave mine alone. single payer with a choice.
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Posted: 12/18/2014 10:45:20 PM EDT
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It can work semi ok in a small,country full,of educated responsible people with a non lazy mentality.
That ain't the usa |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 10:45:51 PM EDT
[#35]
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The fact that progressives are pushing hard for this. So I ask, how would it be funded? I don't support and I am curious to how such a universal program would be funded. The fact that "progressives" are pushing for it is clear evidence that it's a bad idea. As far as I can tell, it would be funded by pixie dust and magical troll droppings. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 10:48:31 PM EDT
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What would it take? An infinite supply of money. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 10:48:52 PM EDT
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It can work semi ok in a small,country full,of educated responsible people with a non lazy mentality. That ain't the usa A country that is both culturally homogenous, and the culture of which includes a strong work ethic and embarrassment at being a burden on the public fisc ... yeah, maybe. I'd still bet that such a system would not offer the same pinnacle of care and innovation as a capitalist system, though, even if it offered a fiscally sound level of reasonably good care to all. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 11:01:11 PM EDT
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Meanwhile in the EU today, a judge declared obesity a disability!
Perfect two of the seven deadly sins, (sloth and gluttony) and you can be fully taxpayer subsidized! Socialized medicine. 
Fat = Free Money |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 11:07:13 PM EDT
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It just so happens that Vermont did the math and figured it was too expensive, even for them:
http://reason.com/blog/2014/12/18/vermont-kills-single-payer-health-care-p They figured they would have to impose an extra 11.5% tax on businesses, and an additional 9.5% tax on income, to pay for it. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 11:09:46 PM EDT
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Meanwhile in the EU today, a judge declared obesity a disability!
Perfect two of the seven deadly sins, (sloth and gluttony) and you can be fully taxpayer subsidized! Socialized medicine.
Fat = Free Money Is obesity considered a disability for SS 'disability'? |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 11:12:10 PM EDT
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1. Complete government takeover of health care.
2. Government decides whether you "deserve" medical procedures/treatments based on how much it costs and whether you're worth it. 3. You wait, however the fuck long the government feels necessary since they've stripped a great deal of resources from health care to save costs. 4. You either die waiting for treatment or get a shitty procedure months later. 5. Government don't give a shit since you can't do a thing about it. 6. Rinse and repeat. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 11:12:40 PM EDT
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Does anybody have any realistic ways/approaches to pay for national single payer health care in the USA? What would it take to pay for such a system? Thanks Think of it in different terms: name 1 thing the goverment does right....just 1. Much less does it efficiently. Now you want those people to run your healthcare? |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 11:14:39 PM EDT
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Is obesity considered a disability for SS 'disability'? Not yet. (As far as I'm aware, if the payee patient has other underlying comorbidities it could be a factor, but not like standard the EU just established.) |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 11:15:22 PM EDT
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1. Complete government takeover of health care. 2. Government decides whether you "deserve" medical procedures/treatments based on how much it costs and whether you're worth it. 3. You wait, however the fuck long the government feels necessary since they've stripped a great deal of resources from health care to save costs. 4. You either die waiting for treatment or get a shitty procedure months later. 5. Government don't give a shit since you can't do a thing about it. 6. Rinse and repeat. 7 All high party officials will get the best care --right away. 8 All the good Doctors will move to Mexico where they will provide good care for those that can afford it. 9 Most medical advancements will not be discovered or developed in America but in a free country. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 11:16:04 PM EDT
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Forget about the costs. You don't want government employees working on your body. Read about the VA if you need any more proof. OFMFT |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 11:17:23 PM EDT
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Not yet. (As far as I'm aware, if the payee patient has other underlying comorbidities it could be a factor, but not like standard the EU just established.) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is obesity considered a disability for SS 'disability'? Not yet. (As far as I'm aware, if the payee patient has other underlying comorbidities it could be a factor, but not like standard the EU just established.) Can America ship our fatties over there? |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 11:19:28 PM EDT
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Can America ship our fatties over there? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is obesity considered a disability for SS 'disability'? Not yet. (As far as I'm aware, if the payee patient has other underlying comorbidities it could be a factor, but not like standard the EU just established.) Can America ship our fatties over there? We're gonna need a bigger boat!
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Posted: 12/18/2014 11:19:43 PM EDT
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Join date. Check.
Good thread. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 11:21:07 PM EDT
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lots and lots of taxes
http://news.yahoo.com/governor-abandons-single-payer-health-care-plan-225042240.html |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 11:27:09 PM EDT
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Everyone? Really, who do you mean exactly? You want the poor to cough up a extra $10,000 a year or something? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So I take it a 'universal healthcare tax' on everyone is out of the question? Everyone? Really, who do you mean exactly? You want the poor to cough up a extra $10,000 a year or something? Everyone and anyone a US citizen |
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