The eighteenth amendment was law for thirteen years. The Constitution absolutely gives the federal government the power to dictate what people can purchase. Whether or not it's morally right to do so is a different matter entirely.

Thanks, Washington.

Why do you hate capitalism?

I never said I don't want anyone else to have it. One of my problems is that when my son was in middle school here in Texas, there were 7th graders smoking that shit on campus. This is in an non legalized state. Imagine how easy it is for them to get in CO, CA, WA, etc.... It the irresponsibility of those that get it "legally", and there is a verifiable increase in the number of kids that have "access" to it now, that didn't before. Also, the medical MJ is too easy to get in those states, and there are many cases where there are no real medical issues that can be diagnosed by legitimate health care professionals in order to obtain a license to legally buy. I know this because I have a friend that is a doctor in California, and he has related to me the shear magnitude of "patients" that are seeking an MJ card. This is one Doctor in the Bay Area, and he says it's so widespread that it is a common joke amongst his peers. Also in these states possession outside the home is often treated like spitting on the sidewalk. I won't even discuss the issues with Law Enforcement.

I'm all for what you do in your home is your business, but that is just the problem, they aren't just doing it in their homes. They are using and driving at rates so high, that they are quickly approaching the numbers of DUI's with alcohol. Give it another 5-10 years and you'll see it isn't as benign as you think. I'm no choir boy, when I was younger it's not like I ignored it.

I have been treated with medications like Fentanyl, and Oxycodone in the past for traumatic injuries, and the negative effects of those drugs far surpass those of marijuana. The pharmaceutical grade marijuana is much more effective, and with lower side effects than prescription pain medications. I personally believe that the strains of MJ that are available should be used instead of high grade opiates, and that's the rub. I'm torn because I know it's more medically effective, but I also know it will be abused way more than prescribed opiates, as well as I know it is truly a gateway drug for those with addictive tendencies. Like many of you, I'm not ignorant to this very complicated issue. I'm smack dab in the middle of it. Having kids complicates my thoughts on legalization. I'm not worried they will use, we've done a great job of informing them about drugs. But, that doesn't mean I'm oblivious to the fact that many other parents face the same fears I've had as a parent. By all means legalize it, but the penalties for those that "legally" obtain it, and then misuse, sell, or allow minor access to it needs to be increased. If it isn't taken more seriously we are going to have a generation of potheads further fuck this country up. Then we won't just have to worry about corrupt and self important politicians, we'll have a bunch of school age druggies in line to destabilize what our forefather's fought and died to build.

TLDR, I know. But, I won't stand accused of being one-sided in regards to this issue. If you don't harness at least a modicum of concern, you might not be on the right side of this matter. I believe in liberty, but not at the expense or detriment of our great Country. Prohibition was a farce, and maybe so is this, but it's a very slippery slope that needs more regulation than a bottle of Jack.

Holy shit.   I posted that as an outrageous example to jar people out of the familiar (and wrong) pattern of thinking.

I did not expect anyone to say "Yeah!  That's right!  They absolutely can!"


Jesus christ.

Obscenity is not protected by the first amendment.  And porn is obscene.  It's the benchmark.



 

I didn't realize Colorado taxing my income and then giving it to shithawks on welfare to buy weed with EBT cards at ATMs was capitalism.

Prove it.

I don't believe that you can use EBT cards to buy weed, or even use EBT cards to get money out of an ATM. I don't believe that for a second.

http://www.denverpost.com/marijuana/ci_24919628/colo-wont-ban-public-assistance-at-pot-shops

CO Libtards want to get re-elected so bad they even passed a law so that you CAN'T ban the use of EBT at pot shop ATMs...

If by "join", you mean legalize marijuana? I hope so!

 

Maybe you should try fixing the EBT problem.

Actually, it's Lincoln that causes all the problems.

 

If you figure out how to do that in libtard utopia, write a book and make a billion dollars instantly.

I think this will backfire on them. By asking the Supreme Court to rule the legalization unconstitutional, the supreme court may find that the federal law is unconstitutional instead. Are there any amendments to the constitution prohibiting the production, sale, possession, and/or use of marijuana? I don't think so.

They were using their ebt cards before legalization in the same manner, then going to see their dealer to get pot. The only thing that's different is there is a store front now. I'll bet they were even able to use their cards in close proximity to liquor stores!

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I have a friend here in Oklahoma...his daughter has seizures that are helped by a cannibis based drug..No THC in it so she wouldn't even get high from it...State says nope.


http://www.news9.com/clip/10885973/legalizing-non-intoxicating-cannabis-oil-gaining-momentum-at-capitol#.VHPWGPTmll0.facebook

Ya' think?

Well said.

But you know what is not as common to see high school kids getting their hands on?
Alcohol.  
You know what is common in schools because there are no age restrictions on black market sales?
Pot, ecstasy, acid, meth, coke, crack, heroin, oxycontin, etc.

While my high school days are well behind me, you could find almost any drug you wanted in school.  Alcohol,  not so much.  It was funny watching six kids trying to share a bud light that one of them stole,  but that was a rare sight.  

The black market alcohol business is almost nil and very little of it caters to minors.  It's much more practical to get a real license and sell your alcohol into the legal system that can net you some real profit.  

Why?  This post showed your ignorance just fine.  

Sure post it.  Some are quick to point out their "superiority", but seem to not understand how the legal system works in this country for state rights vs. federal law.  

It's basic Constitutional Law 101, brush up on it before you spout off and show your lack of understanding.  

Colorado should sue them for having High Cap Magazines legal.

Freedom is Freedom..

I'm reasonably sure the boot lickers understands. They don't want freedom. In fact they down right despise freedom. They don't want you to do anything they FEEL is wrong and they want their wittle republican gobernment to save them from all the pot needles and gays. Look at this very thread.

 

Again, please see the 9th and 10th Amendments and then show u sin the Constitution where the Federal government is granted the power to regulate smoking dope.

The tax and general welfare clause?

I'm just sayin'.

Yes there would. Again, see the 9th and 10th Amendments.

No it does not, which is why the Constitution had to be AMENDED to have prohibition. This salient fact is now often forgotten and ignored.

Marijuana being illegal is fucking stupid to begin with, ALL politicians are fucking lying bastards, nothing new. Fuck 'em all.

"General Welfare" is part of the preamble and not an enumerated power. It explains part of the intent of the document but grants no powers whatsoever. The body has the specific duties, powers, and obligations listed of how they planned to fulfill the ideals in the preamble and regulating what individuals consume is not in there.

But isn't that how they got it made illegal.............that is..............tax it and make it a special category of taxable item?

And they did this for the general welfare?

No, they did it to shore up and protect William Randolph Hearst's wood pulp paper industries.  

Levying a tax then refusing to sell any tax stamps is a violation of the spirit of the power of taxation certainly--intended to fund the legitimate powers of government, not to use as an end run against the Constitutional limitations to make a ban.

It's threads like these that make me believe that time travel has already been invented. There was a bunch of liberals that disguised themselves and traveled to the past as Anti-Federalists.

Seriously, fuck the Anti-Federalists. The destruction of this country was set the moment the BOR gutted an rewrote the USC. Fuck them and the Fabian Society.

I want everyone to try this; read the USC without the BOR and then start writing down everything that .gov does that is outside the law.

It doesn't.  Therefore the tenth applies.



This is an individual state issue.  A neighboring state or the federal government should have no say with what CO allows within their borders.

Gratuitous assertion.

No, you have missed the point (both of you).  States cannot pass laws that are less restrictive than federal law.   There is case law after case law that dictates this.  The federal appeals court makes rulings on federal law vs. state law or just if state law is constitutional (recently it has been gay marriage bans in states) all the time. It then can be appealed to the highest court of the land, the US Supreme Court.   I really think some are living in fantasy lands of what you want something to be (in this case States Rights) vs. reality and what it really is.

Has there been case law after case law that says the States have to help enforce Federal law?

http://volokh.com/2013/05/07/a-constitutional-law-lesson-for-steve-benen/

No NE is the abbreviation for New England



I get at least couple folks a week that tell me so on the phone



 

Tons of people already are driving high as a kite and have been for a very long time.  I also don't buy that kids are getting it easier.  It would take a lot to convince me that the source wasn't an anti freedom hit piece where the author just made shit up.  Are you worried that a generation of drunks is going to fuck this country up or is MJ the only drug that worries you?  



 

 

Glad to be a farmer feeding the world.

Yes, but it still was successfully amended to do so. There is a precedent. The Constitution absolutely can, and has granted the government the power to regulate what you can buy.

I'm not saying it's right. I'm saying there's a precedent.

This exactly. I don't know where OnlyTheTip saw this "proof" that kids are  getting it easier, but I really doubt that's the actual case. When I was in high school I saw everything I needed to see to show just how ineffective mj laws were. It was ten (probably closer to twenty) times easier to obtain than alcohol, simply because who gives a shit about legal age of consumption if it's an illegal product to begin with. People are so friggin ignorant it blows my mind...  

Pfft, marijuana illegalization is definitely the hill the GOP needs to defend to the last man

Scottsbluff

NO, the states are applying the hypocritical ruling/policy against the state of CO. The FEDS (or should I say Zippy the Wonder Clown) want to regulate guns, a constitutionally protected RIGHT, but ignore the State of Colorado and the illegal weed industry there. The states are sticking back in their faces.

Remember it is not OK for the states to develop firearms policy, unless it is more restrictive than the Fed .Gov, the state are not allowed to develop any laws dealing with ILLEGAL ALIENS unless it involves giving them free shit (in violation of FEDERAL LAW but it favors future DEM voters so it is ok), but the states are allowed to ignore Federal Law and allow open drug markets of banned federal drugs.....