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Posted: 12/18/2014 3:42:26 PM EDT
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If Bushmaster selling a rifle to a gun store is negligent, then wouldn't that negligence rest on the agency who gave the store an FFL? Isn't there SOME expectation that a federally licensed (fill in the blank) is legit?
Likewise for the store, if there's no reason to believe it was an obvious straw purchase then is the NICS check not good enough? It seems like the legitimacy of the entire system of federal regulation is being put on trial, and I don't think that's limited to the gun industry either.
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Posted: 12/18/2014 3:43:43 PM EDT
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The basic premise of the article is that people don't trust Obama, but PBS doesn't understand that.
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Posted: 12/18/2014 3:47:54 PM EDT
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depends on if the judge follows the law or not... the law says they cant sue and it should be thrown out.
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Posted: 12/18/2014 3:49:09 PM EDT
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Woodruff: "That's (the shift in public opion AGAINST gun laws) counterintuitive, isn't it?".
No, it's not, you Libtard twit. Cocaine is illegal but I bet your cokehead Libtard friends on the Upper East Side have no problem acquiring coke, right? Laws proscribing risky or enjoyable behavior are generally failures. TC |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 3:56:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This could have massive unintended consequences. Exxon sold the gasoline used to burn down a church - sue 'em. Canon sold the camera used to take photos in a child porn case - sue 'em. Levis sold the jeans that the rapist was wearing - sue 'em. Chevy sold the truck that was used by the kidnapper - sue 'em. And the only ones that lose are the consumers who will pay for such bullshit torts and the winners are of course the lawyers. This. If these clowns can get some judge to agree that BushMaster is responsible for their product even after it leaves their control this will cost us all. It will put a whole new spin on every product out there. This will bankrupt entire industries. Getting in your car to drive to the store will require a checklist a mile long, not to mention the crap you'll have to wear before you can even put the key in the ignition. I can't wait to sue Georgia-Pacific for that vicious paper cut I got reloading the printer a while ago. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 4:01:22 PM EDT
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My neighbors has kids that don't conform to my standards. They run around and destroy my yard that I've spent time reseeding, don't help their neighbors mow or rake leaves, and harass everybody on Halloween. If we run out of candy, they egg our houses and toilet paper the trees and I'm sick and tired of it. I think I'll sue the parents of these unruly kids.
This bullshit of blame this, blame that needs to stop, and I hope the courts see through what the lawyers and parents are doing. I'm sorry for the parents losing a child, but the gun/manufacturer is honestly not the problem. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 4:02:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That one was legitimate. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There was a time when the McDonald's Hot Coffee lawsuit seemed unlikely. Lowe's just paid a huge payout because 2x4s aren't really 2x4". Don't get too comfy. That one was legitimate. This is how badly burned that woman was. Not even remotely the same as this. McDonald's used to deliver their coffee molten lava hot.  |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 4:12:22 PM EDT
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This is how badly burned that woman was. Not even remotely the same as this. McDonald's used to deliver their coffee molten lava hot. Jesus, how about just putting a link to the picture instead of posting it without warning......... |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 4:19:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Jesus, how about just putting a link to the picture instead of posting it without warning......... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This is how badly burned that woman was. Not even remotely the same as this. McDonald's used to deliver their coffee molten lava hot. Jesus, how about just putting a link to the picture instead of posting it without warning......... People are lazy. At least a couple of people will now understand the McDonald's coffee lawsuit. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 4:26:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pathetic. Any judge that would hear this case is a tosser. The only person who should have been charged with criminal negligence was Nancy Lanza. She's dead, and that should be the end of the story. Americans today are cowardly opportunistic victims, always looking for someone to blame pay them for everything. Some times there is an end to the blame trail, and you can't go any further. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 4:30:12 PM EDT
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Yeah we just passed new gun laws here in Ohio...loosening restrictions so yeah screw PBS and their liberal views.
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Posted: 12/18/2014 4:32:10 PM EDT
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a lawsuit for a shooting that never happened...
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Posted: 12/18/2014 4:35:08 PM EDT
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Trying to figure out their game plan on this one (PBS seems to clarify it; Thx.). They might also be seeking: -publicity. Even if they lose, a high-profile lawsuit draws attention to their cause -settlement for "conditions" - like Bushmaster "agrees" not to sell ARs to civilians (highly unlikely Bushmaster would go for that). -closure of the local store and/or driving the distributor into bancruptcy even though the suit is frivolous due to the lawful commerce in firearms law. Although the plaintiffs face an uphill battle, our community risks a lot by ignoring this suit. This suit could end up damaging every AR manufacturer in the U.S. if it is successful. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And that is what they are going for. If they lose, the awb states are screwed. Big game coming soon Trying to figure out their game plan on this one (PBS seems to clarify it; Thx.). They might also be seeking: -publicity. Even if they lose, a high-profile lawsuit draws attention to their cause -settlement for "conditions" - like Bushmaster "agrees" not to sell ARs to civilians (highly unlikely Bushmaster would go for that). -closure of the local store and/or driving the distributor into bancruptcy even though the suit is frivolous due to the lawful commerce in firearms law. Although the plaintiffs face an uphill battle, our community risks a lot by ignoring this suit. This suit could end up damaging every AR manufacturer in the U.S. if it is successful. There's really no telling what kind of settlement they could get. Cerberus was ready to throw the Freedom Group under the bus after Newtown... |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 4:37:38 PM EDT
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Are you guys telling me this thing has a chance of actually succeeding??!!
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Posted: 12/18/2014 4:42:34 PM EDT
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Here is a great rebuttal to the lawsuit. Puts in perspective the use of the AR15 in the civilian marketplace. A must read! http://bearingarms.com/sandy-hook-families-lawsuit-bushmaster-will-fail-heres/ I myself didn't know that the AR was marketed and sold as a civilian hunting rifle before it was modified into the M16 for military use. 
1964 colt sporter ad is really neat, anyone have that image in a larger non watermarked version? |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 4:47:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: There are some exceptions to the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act. One is for negligence per se or negligence entrustment. These plaintiffs are just calling a different lawsuit "negligence per se" hoping that activist judges will basically "Fuck it, we'll call this negligence per se so they can sue the bastards" Based on where they filed do you see that being likely? But the federal court here did backflips to find the SAFE Act constitutional. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 4:48:25 PM EDT
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Mc Donalds coffee situation wasnt the same.. The coffee was some ridiculous temperature intentionally set that high for some stupid reason.. no reasonable person would expect coffee that hot, and the woman was fucked up by that coffee.. now guns.. heavily regulated, and the gun functioned exactly as designed. I dont see any liability issue with that, so long as the 2A exists. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There was a time when the McDonald's Hot Coffee lawsuit seemed unlikely. Lowe's just paid a huge payout because 2x4s aren't really 2x4". Don't get too comfy. Mc Donalds coffee situation wasnt the same.. The coffee was some ridiculous temperature intentionally set that high for some stupid reason.. no reasonable person would expect coffee that hot, and the woman was fucked up by that coffee.. now guns.. heavily regulated, and the gun functioned exactly as designed. I dont see any liability issue with that, so long as the 2A exists. The woman required skin grafts. I recall that she originally only wanted McDs to pay her med bills. They said get fucked. They ended up getting fucked. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 4:51:01 PM EDT
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Wonder what the chances are to move this trial due to local bias and the fact most of the country doesn't have such ridiculous laws regarding msrs that no doubt will also lead to bias. If it happens. I'm no lawyer, I don't know how this works.
Where is this suit filed, Connecticut? |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 4:51:23 PM EDT
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The Lowes one still fucking baffles me. I really feel like we live in Bizarro world these days. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There was a time when the McDonald's Hot Coffee lawsuit seemed unlikely. Lowe's just paid a huge payout because 2x4s aren't really 2x4". Don't get too comfy. The Lowes one still fucking baffles me. I really feel like we live in Bizarro world these days. Not to worry. You live on the other side of the continent from Bizarro. But one day when you'er walking thru your NH Lowes you'll see the 2x4s labeled "1.5 inches by 3.5 inches". Lowe's should have appealed until California dropped off the coast.
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Posted: 12/18/2014 4:54:12 PM EDT
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Jesus, how about just putting a link to the picture instead of posting it without warning......... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is how badly burned that woman was. Not even remotely the same as this. McDonald's used to deliver their coffee molten lava hot. Jesus, how about just putting a link to the picture instead of posting it without warning......... That caused me extreme emotional distress. ima sue! |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 5:01:22 PM EDT
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Most of all we need to get the perception in the public eye that the vast majority of gun owners are normal law abiding citizens! If they look at this forum they would not get that impression. What is rampant here: Foul language Derogatory terms for women People who like to kill canine pets and brag about it. This forum is the Snowboots of gun owners. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 5:03:39 PM EDT
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There was a time when the McDonald's Hot Coffee lawsuit seemed unlikely. Lowe's just paid a huge payout because 2x4s aren't really 2x4". Don't get too comfy. The coffee lawsuit was legit because the plaintiff alleged that the coffee was sold and distributed at a level capable of giving 3rd degree burns. Not because she was burned, but because she was burned so severely. The 2x4 lawsuit was over the fact that a product was being advertised as one thing and sold as something smaller. Like paying extra for 20" wheels on a new truck and only getting 19's. Or the old tube televisions that were measured case edge to case edge instead of actual screen size. Unwrap your tinfoil Nancy and learn a thing or two about how this all works because the sky isn't falling over this nor will it at any point in the future because of this. 
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Posted: 12/18/2014 5:05:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And the 2x4 suit didn't happen in America. It happened in California. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: There was a time when the McDonald's Hot Coffee lawsuit seemed unlikely. Lowe's just paid a huge payout because 2x4s aren't really 2x4". Don't get too comfy. Mc Donalds coffee situation wasnt the same.. The coffee was some ridiculous temperature intentionally set that high for some stupid reason.. no reasonable person would expect coffee that hot, and the woman was fucked up by that coffee.. now guns.. heavily regulated, and the gun functioned exactly as designed. I dont see any liability issue with that, so long as the 2A exists. And the 2x4 suit didn't happen in America. It happened in California. According to quite a few here in GD, California is America. They seem to think that laws passed here automatically become federal law.  Forgetting, of course, that their own duly elected politicians enact them in their home state. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 5:06:49 PM EDT
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I think this is putting the cart before the horse. We'll just have to wait and see.
I wonder it the ban would be just registered lowers and we can freely buy uppers.
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Posted: 12/18/2014 5:07:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Here is a great rebuttal to the lawsuit. Puts in perspective the use of the AR15 in the civilian marketplace. A must read! http://bearingarms.com/sandy-hook-families-lawsuit-bushmaster-will-fail-heres/ I myself didn't know that the AR was marketed and sold as a civilian hunting rifle before it was modified into the M16 for military use. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 5:08:23 PM EDT
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That one was legitimate. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There was a time when the McDonald's Hot Coffee lawsuit seemed unlikely. Lowe's just paid a huge payout because 2x4s aren't really 2x4". Don't get too comfy. That one was legitimate. Which one? The hot coffee case was not at all what it seems as played out in the media. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 5:08:36 PM EDT
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Trying to figure out their game plan on this one (PBS seems to clarify it; Thx.). They might also be seeking: -publicity. Even if they lose, a high-profile lawsuit draws attention to their cause -settlement for "conditions" - like Bushmaster "agrees" not to sell ARs to civilians (highly unlikely Bushmaster would go for that). -closure of the local store and/or driving the distributor into bancruptcy even though the suit is frivolous due to the lawful commerce in firearms law. Although the plaintiffs face an uphill battle, our community risks a lot by ignoring this suit. This suit could end up damaging every AR manufacturer in the U.S. if it is successful. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And that is what they are going for. If they lose, the awb states are screwed. Big game coming soon Trying to figure out their game plan on this one (PBS seems to clarify it; Thx.). They might also be seeking: -publicity. Even if they lose, a high-profile lawsuit draws attention to their cause -settlement for "conditions" - like Bushmaster "agrees" not to sell ARs to civilians (highly unlikely Bushmaster would go for that). -closure of the local store and/or driving the distributor into bancruptcy even though the suit is frivolous due to the lawful commerce in firearms law. Although the plaintiffs face an uphill battle, our community risks a lot by ignoring this suit. This suit could end up damaging every AR manufacturer in the U.S. if it is successful. The local store where the actual gun in question was bought had its license yanked for unrelated issues . I don't believe it is in existence (at least as far as firearms go) I interviewed for a job there but declined the offer they made me . To be honest the big issue for me was distance from my house but I got some bad vibes in the way the joint was run . Guess I dodged a bullet there |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 5:10:29 PM EDT
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The 2x4 lawsuit was over the fact that a product was being advertised as one thing and sold as something smaller. Like paying extra for 20" wheels on a new truck and only getting 19's. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There was a time when the McDonald's Hot Coffee lawsuit seemed unlikely. Lowe's just paid a huge payout because 2x4s aren't really 2x4". Don't get too comfy. The 2x4 lawsuit was over the fact that a product was being advertised as one thing and sold as something smaller. Like paying extra for 20" wheels on a new truck and only getting 19's. Uh, that's a known difference with lumber. It's the way its always been- it's called nominal vs. actual. Nominal 2 x 4's are actually 1.5 x 3.5, 2 x 6's are actually 1.5 x 5.5, 2 x 10's are 1.5 x 9.25, etc. What's next, Home Depot is going to get sued because standard bricks aren't a full 2-2/3 x 4 x 8? The lawsuit was bullshit. Now, if someone sued because the lumber Lowe's sells is absolute garbage, then yeah they have a good lawsuit. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 5:12:41 PM EDT
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The Lowes one still fucking baffles me. I really feel like we live in Bizarro world these days. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There was a time when the McDonald's Hot Coffee lawsuit seemed unlikely. Lowe's just paid a huge payout because 2x4s aren't really 2x4". Don't get too comfy. The Lowes one still fucking baffles me. I really feel like we live in Bizarro world these days. The lumber was smaller than the standard size of 2x4. Eneryone knows dimensional lumber is smaller than the "size" but the lowes stuff was smaller than industry standard and they didn't label it at the actual size. It was like 3-1/4" by 1-3/8" or something |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 5:13:38 PM EDT
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The Lowes one still fucking baffles me. I really feel like we live in Bizarro world these days. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There was a time when the McDonald's Hot Coffee lawsuit seemed unlikely. Lowe's just paid a huge payout because 2x4s aren't really 2x4". Don't get too comfy. The Lowes one still fucking baffles me. I really feel like we live in Bizarro world these days. Sweet baby jeebus! I thought he was joking!
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Posted: 12/18/2014 5:14:15 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/18/2014 5:16:57 PM EDT
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Here is a great rebuttal to the lawsuit. Puts in perspective the use of the AR15 in the civilian marketplace. A must read! http://bearingarms.com/sandy-hook-families-lawsuit-bushmaster-will-fail-heres/ I myself didn't know that the AR was marketed and sold as a civilian hunting rifle before it was modified into the M16 for military use. OMG the comments. I forget there are people that stupid on the planet. The newtown hoax conspiracy theorists have to have one level of cognitive development above an ape. Nevermind, on second thought, I think the apes have more intelligence. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 5:17:04 PM EDT
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The lumber was smaller than the standard size of 2x4. Eneryone knows dimensional lumber is smaller than the "size" but the lowes stuff was smaller than industry standard and they didn't label it at the actual size. It was like 3-1/4" by 1-3/8" or something Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There was a time when the McDonald's Hot Coffee lawsuit seemed unlikely. Lowe's just paid a huge payout because 2x4s aren't really 2x4". Don't get too comfy. The Lowes one still fucking baffles me. I really feel like we live in Bizarro world these days. The lumber was smaller than the standard size of 2x4. Eneryone knows dimensional lumber is smaller than the "size" but the lowes stuff was smaller than industry standard and they didn't label it at the actual size. It was like 3-1/4" by 1-3/8" or something I was fairly certain the lawsuit was because Lowe's didn't mark price tags to reflect the difference between nominal and actual. I could be wrong. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 5:17:57 PM EDT
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"Negligent entrustment" Every manufacturer, not just firearms, should be watching this case. Who's next? Car manufactures should know that their products will be used by drunk drivers. Computer and software should know that their products will be used by hackers. Most important of all. You loan your car to a known to you partyer. At the time he is sober, but 2 days later, gets drunk and kills some one. Could you be charged sued? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/public-support-gun-control-decreased/ It's no longer about negligence of process, it's now about the suitability of the AR15 for civilian use. What they couldn't get done via legislation they may get from a judge. This is going to be a high stakes case for us. JOSEPH DE AVILA, The Wall Street Journal: Well, they’re suing. They sued over this — the past weekend.
And what they’re trying to do is basically a lot of them are asking for their day in court. What has happened is that there was a law passed in 2005 that basically has not allowed any lawsuits against gun manufacturers. There is one exception. There is — one of these exceptions is negligent entrustment. So what essentially they’re arguing is that these — lawsuit, in order for it to go forward, they’re saying that the manufacturer of the gun and the distributor and also the store that sold this gun are basically selling a weapon that is unfit for civilian use. And negligent entrustment, to give you an example, it kind of works in a way where one party gives a product to another party and trusts that product with that additional party. And if that other party commits harm to a third party, that is basically what happens under negligent entrustment. "Negligent entrustment" Every manufacturer, not just firearms, should be watching this case. Who's next? Car manufactures should know that their products will be used by drunk drivers. Computer and software should know that their products will be used by hackers. Most important of all. You loan your car to a known to you partyer. At the time he is sober, but 2 days later, gets drunk and kills some one. Could you be charged sued? There used to be a "vicarious ownership law" in New York State that was originally intended to allow people to sue the wealthy owners of horses and buggys rather than their servants who were driving them at the time of an accident. Not too many years ago, accident lawyers picked up on it and began suing the leasing companies when accidents involved leased cars. It became so burdensome that it became impossible to lease a car in New York State because no companies would do a lease. What they did to get around it was to design purchase buy back programs that sort of simulated a lease except as the ads said "Not a lease....you own it." The state of NY loved this because unlike a lease where you paid sales tax only on the lease portion of the price of the car, with the purchase/buyback, you paid sales tax on the entire cost of the vehicle. The law was finally repealed some years ago and leasing returned to NY. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 5:19:01 PM EDT
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Uh, that's a known difference with lumber. It's the way its always been- it's called nominal vs. actual. Nominal 2 x 4's are actually 1.5 x 3.5, 2 x 6's are actually 1.5 x 5.5, 2 x 10's are 1.5 x 9.75, etc. Actually at some point the longer dimension X changes from (x-1).5" to (x-1).25 inches. I don't recall if it is beginning with 2x6 or 2x8 or 2x10 but it is well known (except to me right now). |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 5:20:00 PM EDT
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Actually at some point the longer dimension X changes from (x-1).5" to (x-1).25 inches. I don't recall if it is beginning with 2x6 or 2x8 or 2x10 but it is well known (except to me right now). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Uh, that's a known difference with lumber. It's the way its always been- it's called nominal vs. actual. Nominal 2 x 4's are actually 1.5 x 3.5, 2 x 6's are actually 1.5 x 5.5, 2 x 10's are 1.5 x 9.75, etc. Actually at some point the longer dimension X changes from (x-1).5" to (x-1).25 inches. I don't recall if it is beginning with 2x6 or 2x8 or 2x10 but it is well known (except to me right now). Yup you got me, starts with 2x8's. 1.5 x 7.25. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 5:27:33 PM EDT
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I was fairly certain the lawsuit was because Lowe's didn't mark price tags to reflect the difference between nominal and actual. I could be wrong. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There was a time when the McDonald's Hot Coffee lawsuit seemed unlikely. Lowe's just paid a huge payout because 2x4s aren't really 2x4". Don't get too comfy. The Lowes one still fucking baffles me. I really feel like we live in Bizarro world these days. The lumber was smaller than the standard size of 2x4. Eneryone knows dimensional lumber is smaller than the "size" but the lowes stuff was smaller than industry standard and they didn't label it at the actual size. It was like 3-1/4" by 1-3/8" or something I was fairly certain the lawsuit was because Lowe's didn't mark price tags to reflect the difference between nominal and actual. I could be wrong. http://ctlumberdealers.org/nrlaldac/ The suit was not just because a 2×4 isn’t actually a 2×4 (nominal name), but because the dimensional lumber being sold was below standards repeatedly. The suit was filed under “misleading or deceptive practices” because the materials being sold were not acceptable for industry standards, not just because the nominal name did not match the true dimensions. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 5:43:01 PM EDT
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Hmm, the Pew Research Center. I suppose they are the middle ground between the No Pew Research Center and the Pew Pew Pew Research center?
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Posted: 12/18/2014 5:45:40 PM EDT
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Friend of a friend worked on the McDonald's case, great case, McDonald's had fucked up selling nuclear hot coffee. Insurance industry has played that one up for propaganda for years Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There was a time when the McDonald's Hot Coffee lawsuit seemed unlikely. Lowe's just paid a huge payout because 2x4s aren't really 2x4". Don't get too comfy. McDonald's case was the best thing to happen for the insurance industry in decades. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 5:48:00 PM EDT
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This could have massive unintended consequences. Exxon sold the gasoline used to burn down a church - sue 'em. Canon sold the camera used to take photos in a child porn case - sue 'em. Levis sold the jeans that the rapist was wearing - sue 'em. Chevy sold the truck that was used by the kidnapper - sue 'em. And the only ones that lose are the consumers who will pay for such bullshit torts and the winners are of course the lawyers. Democrat paradise |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 5:49:18 PM EDT
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Mc Donalds coffee situation wasnt the same.. The coffee was some ridiculous temperature intentionally set that high for some stupid reason.. no reasonable person would expect coffee that hot, and the woman was fucked up by that coffee.. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There was a time when the McDonald's Hot Coffee lawsuit seemed unlikely. Lowe's just paid a huge payout because 2x4s aren't really 2x4". Don't get too comfy. Mc Donalds coffee situation wasnt the same.. The coffee was some ridiculous temperature intentionally set that high for some stupid reason.. no reasonable person would expect coffee that hot, and the woman was fucked up by that coffee.. Right. 
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Posted: 12/18/2014 5:54:00 PM EDT
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a lawsuit for a shooting that never happened...
Bring it!
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Posted: 12/18/2014 5:55:57 PM EDT
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Fuck the courts, They can have my guns from my cold dead hands. And fuck be upon anyone that comes to try and take them.
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Posted: 12/18/2014 5:56:39 PM EDT
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a lawsuit for a shooting that never happened...
Bring it! yeah.... I'd like to hear your theory |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 6:04:05 PM EDT
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They had a assault weapon ban from 94-04 with 10rd capacity limit and at least 18 mass shootings at schools happened during that time. Including Columbine.
The laws don't effect crime. This is pretty clear, they shouldn't be allowed to sue them no matter how they word it. http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-109s397enr/pdf/BILLS-109s397enr.pdf |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 6:05:26 PM EDT
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A judicial ban of a constitutionally protected product sounds like the mother of all Supreme Court cases the antis don't want to see. Unless the court changes a bit before then.
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Posted: 12/18/2014 6:06:07 PM EDT
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People are lazy. At least a couple of people will now understand the McDonald's coffee lawsuit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is how badly burned that woman was. Not even remotely the same as this. McDonald's used to deliver their coffee molten lava hot. Jesus, how about just putting a link to the picture instead of posting it without warning......... People are lazy. At least a couple of people will now understand the McDonald's coffee lawsuit. Lol. The coffee is still the same temperature. Starbucks serves at the same temp. The industry recommended temp. All that happened was more words to warn idiots and a new cup.(Needed a new cup anyway.) |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 6:18:00 PM EDT
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Lol. The coffee is still the same temperature. Starbucks serves at the same temp. The industry recommended temp. All that happened was more words to warn idiots and a new cup.(Needed a new cup anyway.) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is how badly burned that woman was. Not even remotely the same as this. McDonald's used to deliver their coffee molten lava hot. Jesus, how about just putting a link to the picture instead of posting it without warning......... People are lazy. At least a couple of people will now understand the McDonald's coffee lawsuit. Lol. The coffee is still the same temperature. Starbucks serves at the same temp. The industry recommended temp. All that happened was more words to warn idiots and a new cup.(Needed a new cup anyway.) The point was that the coffee they served the woman was far above the industry standard, and they had been warned about it before that incident. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 6:30:37 PM EDT
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No clue, seems like a waste of time to me. "negligent entrustment" normally means I loan my rifle to a buddy who has substance abuse and mental health problems. http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-12-16/sandy-hook-victims-will-misfire-in-bushmaster-ar-15-gun-lawsuit#p1 But the federal court here did backflips to find the SAFE Act constitutional. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There are some exceptions to the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act. One is for negligence per se or negligence entrustment. These plaintiffs are just calling a different lawsuit "negligence per se" hoping that activist judges will basically "Fuck it, we'll call this negligence per se so they can sue the bastards" Based on where they filed do you see that being likely? No clue, seems like a waste of time to me. "negligent entrustment" normally means I loan my rifle to a buddy who has substance abuse and mental health problems. http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-12-16/sandy-hook-victims-will-misfire-in-bushmaster-ar-15-gun-lawsuit#p1 But the federal court here did backflips to find the SAFE Act constitutional. It still seems like it should be dismissed on the merits. They'll have to argue that Bushmaster should have surmised that Nancy Lanza would store the gun in a safe and that Adam Lanza (not a party to the transaction) would murder her to get at the rifle in the safe. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 6:32:37 PM EDT
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There was a time when the McDonald's Hot Coffee lawsuit seemed unlikely. Lowe's just paid a huge payout because 2x4s aren't really 2x4". Don't get too comfy. holy dog shit are you kidding???? eta i see now |
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