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Posted: 12/18/2014 8:01:21 AM EDT
Called my local CZ dealer looking to buy a CZ75spo1 with a decocker, and they told me the decock was not only more expensive, but would need to be special ordered as everyone wants the model with the manual safety. They were strongly suggesting I go with a safety, but I dont understand why. They did not have anything in stock I wanted, nor did they have a safety equipped gun in the store, so I know their not just trying to move what they had on the shelf. So whats the deal? Do you prefer one over the other? And if you have a preference for one or the other please tell me why. I already have a Ruger p89 with a decock (Yeah, I like bricks) and would prefer to stay with one caliber and control layout. Help me out.
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Posted: 12/18/2014 8:02:38 AM EDT
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Get one with a safety. Smoother, more consistent trigger pull. Easier to change out the hammer to the competition (you want this) than the decocker model.
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Posted: 12/18/2014 8:05:39 AM EDT
[#2]
Pole says it all!
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Posted: 12/18/2014 8:08:15 AM EDT
[#3]
Trigger is rougher on the decocker model.
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Posted: 12/18/2014 8:08:40 AM EDT
[#4]
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Get one with a safety. Smoother, more consistent trigger pull. Easier to change out the hammer to the competition (you want this) than the decocker model. Indeed. And if you want the hammer down, DA first shot you can just do it manually. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 8:08:56 AM EDT
[#5]
I have a CZ 75 BD (decocker) and I can't complain about the trigger. It does what I need it to do just fine and does it without a safety.
That said I've never been all that "trigger sensitive" either. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 8:10:39 AM EDT
[#6]
Safety. You can still decock it manually like a revolver but you have the additional option of cocked and locked.
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Posted: 12/18/2014 8:11:12 AM EDT
[#7]
My only experience is from shooting IDPA, and I confess, I am a 1911 guy through and through.
But when shooting with the M9, that first DA shot, just throws me off my game. I too am seriously contemplating a CZ75, but will get the safety. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 8:21:52 AM EDT
[#8]
I grew up shooting 1911s... When I got into CZs, I went safeties over decockers.
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Posted: 12/18/2014 8:24:38 AM EDT
[#9]
Keep your booger hook off the bang switch until you're ready to fire and you won't need either.
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Posted: 12/18/2014 8:28:39 AM EDT
[#10]
what do you want it for?
If its for social use. decocker all the way. If its a range toy, get the safety model. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 8:31:27 AM EDT
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what do you want it for? If its for social use. decocker all the way. If its a range toy, get the safety model. This. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 8:33:06 AM EDT
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Safety model. Cocked and Locked FTMFW. Straight trigger SA only soon after....
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Posted: 12/18/2014 8:36:54 AM EDT
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75B SA = thread
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Posted: 12/18/2014 8:37:56 AM EDT
[#14]
All pistols I like with SAO and safeties and the ability to carry condition 1.
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Posted: 12/18/2014 8:39:52 AM EDT
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Safety model. Cocked and Locked FTMFW. Straight trigger SA only soon after.... That's what I went with for my first CZ |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 8:44:04 AM EDT
[#16]
My EDC is a 75D with a decocker.
Sent it to Cajun Gun Works for a carry package and the trigger is now awesome. Best shooting handgun I've ever owned. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 8:58:19 AM EDT
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75B SA = thread |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 9:05:53 AM EDT
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75B SA = thread |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 9:33:45 AM EDT
[#19]
IIRC, the model with the safety had the better trigger when I was on the hunt for mine so that's what I got.
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Posted: 12/18/2014 9:36:09 AM EDT
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Safety model. Cocked and Locked FTMFW. Straight trigger SA only soon after.... +1 |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 9:57:30 AM EDT
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Safety. You can still decock it manually like a revolver but you have the additional option of cocked and locked. This! |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 10:11:33 AM EDT
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75B SA = thread Just mailed off my MO for one I purchased on GB. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 10:19:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: 75B SA = thread |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 10:21:29 AM EDT
[#24]
I vote decocker.
Five years from now, your model will be rare as hen's teeth, too. I had a 97BD up for sale and was contacted by people all over the country. I prefer the decocker model. Operates the same as plenty of pistols. If it is solely a range toy, I would opt for the safety as there is no occasion for the decocker's use.
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Posted: 12/18/2014 10:23:25 AM EDT
[#25]
Are you nervous or scared of carrying in Condition 1? Makes a huge difference.
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Posted: 12/18/2014 10:24:25 AM EDT
[#26]
A CZ75 with a decocker isn't a CZ75.
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Posted: 12/18/2014 10:27:05 AM EDT
[#27]
prefer decocker myself. All czs have pretty terrible triggers so mine all go to cajun gunworks. They come back better than any other pistol I own. I just prefer not to add an extra step in a defensive situation
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Posted: 12/18/2014 10:27:32 AM EDT
[#28]
SAFETY
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Posted: 12/18/2014 10:27:55 AM EDT
[#29]
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A CZ75 with a decocker isn't a CZ75. except for the fact that p01 took over as the czech police issue. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 10:53:08 AM EDT
[#30]
If you're looking for a carry gun, get the decocker.
If you're looking for a race gun, range toy, etc. get the safety model. What everyone else said about better trigger, etc. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 10:57:50 AM EDT
[#31]
Why all the love for a decocker on a carry gun? Cocked and locked works fine.
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Posted: 12/18/2014 11:02:58 AM EDT
[#32]
All the people expressing their favor for the decocker model don't seem to know you can decock the safety model, but you can't put the decocker model on safe.
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Posted: 12/18/2014 11:07:03 AM EDT
[#33]
Get you a CZ75B and put the Cajun Gun Works SAO kit in it. Crazy accurate!
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Posted: 12/18/2014 11:08:03 AM EDT
[#34]
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My EDC is a 75D with a decocker. Sent it to Cajun Gun Works for a carry package and the trigger is now awesome. Best shooting handgun I've ever owned. CGW does amazing things with CZ triggers. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 11:09:04 AM EDT
[#35]
Safety. Then never use it. Even with the hammer cocked. Also, take out the dumb internal firing pin block, and polish the hammer notch so there's no camming during trigger pull. There, it's now ready to shoot.
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Posted: 12/18/2014 11:10:05 AM EDT
[#36]
I have trouble hitting the narrow, slippery safety lever with the tip of my thumb, so I would say decocker. The only trouble is that the decocker is relatively sharp and in the way of your thumb. In fact, the decocker is about where the safety ought to be.
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Posted: 12/18/2014 11:14:52 AM EDT
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Why all the love for a decocker on a carry gun? Cocked and locked works fine. I don't get it either. I seriously don't see the need for one. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 11:15:25 AM EDT
[#38]
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All the people expressing their favor for the decocker model don't seem to know you can decock the safety model, but you can't put the decocker model on safe. Exactly. Which is why my CZ's have a decocker. In the event of a HD situation, I'm not the only one who may need to use it. I want my wife to be able to grab the gun and "point and click". As far as trigger's, either will be fine for carry/HD if you get CGW to polish it up for ya. If you're used to safeties, get the safety model. If you're used to decockers, then get that. Simple really. Oh, and as far as price, I think you're LGS is blowing smoke up your ass. Both guns have the same exact MSRP. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 11:15:35 AM EDT
[#39]
Get both. P09
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Posted: 12/18/2014 11:19:47 AM EDT
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Trigger is rougher on the decocker model. Hmmmm. I have the 75BD, SIL just got a 75B. This calls for a comparison test! I haven't put more than 500 rounds thru mine yet but the trigger doesn't seem any crappier than my BHP. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 11:23:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: what do you want it for? If its for social use. decocker all the way. If its a range toy, get the safety model. This. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 11:30:35 AM EDT
[#42]
I see no use for the decocker. Get a safety model, convert it to SAO, and carry it cocked-and-locked.
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Posted: 12/18/2014 11:34:38 AM EDT
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I have one of each. It is really a personal preference, but I will say the safety on the CZ does not have as nice of a feel as the safety on say, a 1911, which is nice and positive. It feels kind of light and mushy going down, and it isn't the most ergonomic to deactivate. With that said, I have never heard any stories of someones safety getting accidently deactivated with carrying IWB, and I am sure with training, it would be pretty easy to become effective with flipping it off.
Just don't think that "well I am good with a 1911 so I am good with a cz cocked and locked." |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 11:34:48 AM EDT
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I don't get it either. I seriously don't see the need for one. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why all the love for a decocker on a carry gun? Cocked and locked works fine. I don't get it either. I seriously don't see the need for one. Shit happens in combat. The fewer manipulations required at the critical moment, the more likely you will be successful. On the berreta, for example, the safety often engages/disengages without postiive action. Partial disengagement of the safety, on a cock and lock, debril getting between the hammer and the firing pin. One reason the glock is popular. If you want tight groups at the range so people can ooh and ahhh. Cool. I get that. Most weapons are for that purpose. Which is why the question is presented, what do you want to do with the gun. If you lack the requisite accuracy with a DAO pull to defend yourself, the action isn't the problem. you are. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 11:35:08 AM EDT
[#45]
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Get one with a safety. Smoother, more consistent trigger pull. Easier to change out the hammer to the competition (you want this) than the decocker model. Yep. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 11:38:51 AM EDT
[#46]
The ONLY reason, IMHO, to buy the decocker gun is if you want to compete in USPSA, IDPA, or something similar where you need to start each stage "hammer down". Apart from the fact that continually lowering the hammer on a loaded chamber is inherently a little risky and makes some folks nervous, you also have to lower the hammer fully. On decocker guns you are allowed to simply use the decocker (duh), which lowers the hammer to half cock and allows for a slightly better first-shot trigger pull.
Other than this, buy the safety gun all day long. Condition 1 FTMFW!!! |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 11:39:36 AM EDT
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Shit happens in combat. The fewer manipulations required at the critical moment, the more likely you will be successful. On the berreta, for example, the safety often engages/disengages without postiive action. Partial disengagement of the safety, on a cock and lock, debril getting between the hammer and the firing pin. One reason the glock is popular. If you want tight groups at the range so people can ooh and ahhh. Cool. I get that. Most weapons are for that purpose. Which is why the question is presented, what do you want to do with the gun. If you lack the requisite accuracy with a DAO pull to defend yourself, the action isn't the problem. you are. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why all the love for a decocker on a carry gun? Cocked and locked works fine. I don't get it either. I seriously don't see the need for one. Shit happens in combat. The fewer manipulations required at the critical moment, the more likely you will be successful. On the berreta, for example, the safety often engages/disengages without postiive action. Partial disengagement of the safety, on a cock and lock, debril getting between the hammer and the firing pin. One reason the glock is popular. If you want tight groups at the range so people can ooh and ahhh. Cool. I get that. Most weapons are for that purpose. Which is why the question is presented, what do you want to do with the gun. If you lack the requisite accuracy with a DAO pull to defend yourself, the action isn't the problem. you are. Thanks for expanding on that. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 11:39:43 AM EDT
[#48]
There are way too many decocker responses.
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Posted: 12/18/2014 11:50:00 AM EDT
[#49]
The decocker guns still are wonderful shooters. Buy whatever you feel comfortable with. I personally don't like guns with safeties for carry or home defense.
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Posted: 12/18/2014 11:57:15 AM EDT
[#50]
Decockers do NOT belong on the CZ-75 (or derivatives). They are an abomination.
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