So you wanna eat your cake and keep it too?

Ha LOOKIE, its Arfcom's resident GD troll....LOL

people like you even give atheists a bad name.........

FLANDERS:  But there's only one God.  Well, sometimes three.

You I'm going to bet will be 'extra crispy'

Because it all leads up to why Jesus had to come.  That's all there is to it.  Man was not meant to have to live under the law, but the original sin made it necessary.  But Jesus did away with what the original sin caused.

Let the Beauty that we Love be what we Do
There are a thousand ways to kneel and kiss the ground

To expose sin and show us that it is impossible to please God on our own, hence the messiah, also known as Jesus Christ.

 

There's the Christian love we all know.

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"Because it all leads up to why Jesus had to come.  That's all there is to it."

And I understand that, which is why it's baffling to me when Christian's try and use for justifications of things like denying gays the right to marry.

Thank You, Sir, for posting that at a most opportune (for me) time.

Summary of Trinity from John Piper


Let us quickly review what we have seen.
1. The Trinity is not belief in three gods. There is only one God, and we must never stray from this.
2. This one God exists as three Persons.
3. The three Persons are not each part of God, but are each fully God and equally God. Within God's one undivided being there is an unfolding into three interpersonal relationships such that there are three Persons. The distinctions within the Godhead are not distinctions of His essence and neither are they something added on to His essence, but they are the unfolding of God's one, undivided being into three interpersonal relationships such that there are three real Persons.
4. God is not one person who took three consecutive roles. That is the heresy of modalism. The Father did not become the Son and then the Holy Spirit. Instead, there have always been and always will be three distinct persons in the Godhead.
5. The Trinity is not a contradiction because God is not three in the same way that He is one. God is one in essence, three in Person.
ApplicationThe Trinity is first of all important because God is important. To understand more fully what God is like is a way of honoring God. Further, we should allow the fact that God is triune to deepen our worship. We exist to worship God. And God seeks people to worship Him in "spirit and truth" (John 4:24). Therefore we must always endeavor to deepen our worship of God-in truth as well as in our hearts.
The Trinity has a very significant application to prayer. The general pattern of prayer in the Bible is to pray to the Father through the Son and in the Holy Spirit (Ephesians 2:18). Our fellowship with God should be enhanced by consciously knowing that we are relating to a tri-personal God!
Awareness of the distinct role that each Person of the Trinity has in our salvation can especially serve to give us greater comfort and appreciation for God in our prayers, as well as helping us to be specific in directing our prayers. Nonetheless, while recognizing the distinct roles that each Person has, we should never think of their roles as so separate that the other Persons are not involved. Rather, everything that one Person is involved in, the other two are also involved in, one way or another.

So Because jesus magic fixed a chicks gyneco-problems when she got to close to Jesus, accidentally all women are made clean during their periods?

Am I the only one who doesn't get the logical leap there?

Jesus walked on water and turned water into wine, Jesus is special yo. Jesus can't be made unclean like the rest of us.

C.S. Lewis on the Trinity and Theology

Now the Christian account of God involves just the same principle. The human level is a simple and rather empty level. On the human level one person is one being, and any two persons are two separate beings - just as, in two dimensions (say on a flat sheet of paper) one square is one figure, and any two squares are two separate figures. On the Divine level you still find personalities; but up there you find them combined in new ways which we, who do not live on that level, cannot imagine. In God's dimension, so to speak, you find a being who is three Persons while remaining one Being, just as a cube is six squares while remaining one cube. Of course we cannot fully conceive a Being like that: just as, if we were so made that we perceived only two dimensions in space we could never properly imagine a cube. But we can get a sort of faint notion of it. And when we do, we are then, for the first time in our lives, getting some positive idea, however faint, of something super-personal - something more than a person. It is something we could never have guessed, and yet, once we have been told, one almost feels one ought to have been able to guess it because it fits in so well with all the things we know already.
You may ask, 'if we cannot imagine a three-personal Being, what is the good of talking about Him?' Well, there isn't any good talking about Him. The thing that matters is being actually drawn into that three-personal life, and that may begin any time - to-night, if you like.
What I mean is this. An ordinary simple Christian kneels down to say his prayers. He is trying to get into touch with God. But if he is a Christian he knows that what is prompting him to pray is also God: God, so to speak, inside him. But he also knows that all his real knowledge of God comes through Christ, the Man who was God - that Christ is standing beside him, helping him to pray, praying for him. You see what is happening. God is the thing to which he is praying the goal he is trying to reach. God is also the thing inside him which is pushing him on - the motive power. God is also the road or bridge along which he is being pushed to that goal. So that the whole threefold life of the three-personal Being is actually going on in that ordinary little bedroom where an ordinary man is saying his prayers. The man is being caught up into the higher kinds of life - what I called Zoe or spiritual life: he is being pulled into God, by God, while still remaining himself.

Even though homosexuals don't need to be stoned, marriage is still between a man and a woman.  It's always meant that.  Why should something that is precious to so many people be changed simply because gays are butthurt that they can have the same exact rights as a heterosexual couple but not have it legally called "marriage?"  Let the term "marriage," the definition of which is very important to millions of people, keep its meaning, and not let a bunch of politically-charged crybabies change it just to feel like they let 'em have it for disagreeing with them.

Also, let's get the government OUT of marriage!  The government shouldn't be recognizing marriage OR civil unions!

Preach it, brother!



 

HA! You are trolling and I am simply telling you the truth.
You don't repent, accept Christ as your Savior then its
Extra Crispy for you. Oh well..........

Good, let the butthurt flow through you.

God bless you OP.
IBTL

We won't derail this thread to launch into a gay marriage debate, as I doubt either of us will change our minds. But I appreciate you answering my questions. Thanks.

That is an unfortunate byproduct of our county being ruled by people who don't respect the constitution for what it is.  There was a time when Christians abhorred the idea of the US outlawing slavery.  Any honest reading of the Constitution proves them wrong, but foolish bias remains.  There are plenty of non Christians who make the same kinds of mistakes WRT rights.

I can't speak for anyone else, but that's my opinion.  Gays can have the same government benefits as straights (though like I said, I think the government should completely butt out of both), but the term "marriage" is only political for the gays, but is deeply personal to those who believe in its divine origin.  Can't we just keep it?

Actually, this is what Jesus said about that:

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven." - Matthew 5:17–19

Not to mention that the Ten Commandments are Old Testament law.

So if you're going to take this religion seriously, you should be out there killing witches, gays, disobedient children, non-vigins, those who worship other gods, and anyone who works on the Sabbath.

This video may help explain things for you...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mLOUWl-L-s

yup. People point to stuff jesus did and say the old laws was unmade, as above by the accidental healing of the woman. That aint right. The old law is just as valid as the new/

furthermore if you had ever listened to 4 hours of coadt to coast or anceint aleins you'ed understand why God commanded the curb stomping witches and prophets of other gods and whatnot.

What does the Law do?

Solstice   It's the reason for the season.

I don't have a problem with them believing something different than myself.  That's entirely their option - free will and all that.

I have a problem when they understand that for many here, it's a deeply held belief system - as important to them as their relationship to their family.

Many times, their responses aren't to honestly question - but mainly to mock and to try to offend.

Can you prove prior claim?



~196,000 years of pre-Christian history may make that difficult.



 

The abolitionist movement was started by Christians.

 

You'd think he would have left some concrete proof in order to save more people. He must have known that some people wouldn't be satisfied with stories that sometimes contradict each other. I mean, if the goal is to save souls, why the mystery? Why not just be up front about it? Maybe pop in every few years to let people know that he is real?

I'm not saying anyone is wrong, but there would be easier ways to save people without relying on one group's ability to convince everybody else that some old stories are real, despite the contradictions and logical problems.

And please don't try to tell me that "there are no contradictions, you just don't understand scripture." I can point a few out, but that isn't the point of this post.

Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
If you had known me, you would have known my Father also.
From now on you do know him and have seen him.”- Jesus

John 14

you don't know what you are talking about

Do you really mean to say that disagreement is, by definition, acting like a jerk?

I hope not.

Odd, the Bible advocates slavery.

Leviticus 25:44-46:

"As for the male and female slaves whom you may have, it is from the nations around you that you may acquire male and female slaves. You may also acquire them from among the aliens residing with you, and from their families that are with you, who have been born in your land; and they may be your property. You may keep them as a possession for your children after you, for them to inherit as property. These you may treat as slaves, but as for your fellow Israelites, no one shall rule over the other with harshness."

And opposed by others who were equally devout, just unwilling to view slaves as the men they knew them to be.

And resisted by Christians.



Impasse.



 

God is Cruel, God will make you suffer to prove your faith, God demands exact and brutal justice even if you die to even the scales, God demanded man punish and change the evil around him instead of accepting it and taking part.

God is Just. God is 1+1=2 and eye for an eye.


If there is a God, God is logic.

No shit. Doubting Thomas didn't believe, and he knew Jesus personally.

Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed... But those who haven't seen me and don't believe, well they can go to Hell. No like literally go to Hell to be tortured for eternity by demons, BECAUSE NOTHING PISSES ME OFF MORE!!!"

I haven't insulted anyone.

And the Trinity is a polytheistic concept.

Jesus did exist.  The Romans wrote about him.  At the time, they were having problems with Christianity, so it would have been to their advantage to deny his existence as a way to diminish the Christianity problem.  They couldn't do that though because there were first hand accounts - it wouldn't be possible to tell people that they hadn't seen what they had seen.

As far as my own personal belief structure, an important part to me was the change in the behavior of the disciples prior to and after the crucifixion of Jesus.

As he was being taken away, they hid - scattered, denied that they knew him.  They were trying to save their mortal bodies.

After he was crucified, they witnessed events that we referred to as miracles.  It was then that their own beliefs solidified.  It was at that point, that they truly became men of God and dedicated their lives to spreading the word.

It was a hard choice to make.  It would have been much easier for them to filter back to their homes and just to try and forget the whole thing.  They didn't though.

They paid the price with their lives - they had the opportunity to deny Jesus as being Christ, but something had happened to change their behavior between the time that Jesus was crucified and when he was resurrected.

That's the key for me.  Human nature was the same then as it is now.  We put very, very few things above that of our own lives.  Before the crucifixion, they put their lives before that of Jesus.  Afterward, events cause them to change.  They spoke of the miracles and laid down their lives to spread the word.

Something had changed them.

I'll bet I could round up a bunch of Jewish guys who would disagree with that statement, but they might be accused of acting like jerks.

Why would a perfect being with infinite power create a hell with the foreknowledge, and therefore the intent, that most of mankind would be tortured there forever?

I have read about it.

No - not at all.  See my post above this.


ETA:  To quote myself:




See the flying spaghetti monster post above.  That illustrates my point.

The Jews, who are sort of experts on Hebrew, say there is only one God, and to suggest that he has a son and that this son is also God, is a blasphemy.  Interestingly enough, all of the parts of the bible that Christians cite as prophesizing the coming of Jesus, the Jews translate differently.  There Messiah will be a man.  One heck of a man, but just a man.