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Posted: 12/17/2014 6:20:50 PM EDT
[#1]
Short of diesel...roundup 365 is what I use.
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Posted: 12/17/2014 6:21:04 PM EDT
[#2]
Salt. Lots of it.
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Posted: 12/17/2014 6:21:13 PM EDT
[#3]
My sources say this might help
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Posted: 12/17/2014 6:21:46 PM EDT
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24D is what the USFS uses.
Seems to work quite well. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 6:22:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Short of diesel...roundup 365 is what I use. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 6:22:53 PM EDT
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If you have a well, salt. If you have municipal water, don't worry about the cancer and go with chemicals.
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Posted: 12/17/2014 6:23:42 PM EDT
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Arsenal
Shit wont grow back for a couple years either. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 6:28:01 PM EDT
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Used motor oil? Or a goat?
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Posted: 12/17/2014 6:32:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Short of diesel...roundup 365 is what I use. I may have done a test patch of C12H23. Shit grew back in a month. Mutant weeds?  |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 6:32:46 PM EDT
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Dig the shit up, put it in planters and ship it to me. I will water it, fertilize it, and weed it.
I will still die. I have a brown thumb. 
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Posted: 12/17/2014 6:33:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Used motor oil? Or a goat? I think the neighbors down the street might try to have their way with it. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 6:35:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 24D is what the USFS uses. Seems to work quite well. Will have to get some to try out. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 6:39:36 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/17/2014 6:40:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Salt. Lots of it. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 6:40:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryNot enough WARNING POISON or skull and crossbones on the label.  |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 6:41:22 PM EDT
[#16]
Ask my ex-wife to take care of them, and keep them healthy, and they'd all be dead in a week.
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Posted: 12/17/2014 6:42:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Short of diesel...roundup 365 is what I use. Yep. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 6:43:56 PM EDT
[#18]
Treating is only 87% effective. You gotta kill the soil or it will grow back. Heck weeds even grow through paved roads and concrete sidewalks.
Grass growns at our beaches and oily construction areas. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 6:44:20 PM EDT
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There is a product called Pramitol. It is a ground sterilant. If you have trees nearby, be careful, it will kill them, too. It was also move if it gets a heavy rain. That will keep the ground barren for YEARS. Be careful.
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Posted: 12/17/2014 6:44:42 PM EDT
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Quoted:
....I'm looking for the meanest, baddest shit I can buy locally - Walmart, Cal Ranch, Tractor Supply. I have a large front and back yard full of gravel. I want nothing to ever grow in the gravel again. Normal weed spray doesn't seem to do the trick for long. I have found that Ortho Ground Clear (gallon jug) works well for my purposes, but it probably does 9-10 months instead of the advertised 12. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 6:44:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Will have to get some to try out. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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24D is what the USFS uses. Seems to work quite well. Will have to get some to try out. Mix 2 doses 24D ester, 2 doses 24D amine, 2 doses roundup, and about 1 tablespoon of dawn. in a 5 gallon bucket. it should kill everything that can be pesticide killed practically, IF it doesn't die in a week from that mix get a shovel, dig up the survivor and send to the Smithsonian as it is a mutant species. ^(advice from the guy across the desk from me who sold pestacides for 20 years professionally, he also warns that you cant do such an application commercially)/ |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 6:45:58 PM EDT
[#22]
Krovar
Make sure ther's no tree roots under your gravel. It will last about five years. . |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 6:46:15 PM EDT
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2-4-D is the only thing I ever sprayed that messed with me. Lightheadedness, headache.
I would think any regular round-up type glyphosate is gonna work the best, short of paving. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 6:46:43 PM EDT
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Nukes. It's the only way to be sure.
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Posted: 12/17/2014 6:46:44 PM EDT
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http://www.agrisupply.com/pramitol-e-herbicide/p/61314/
This stuff will kill what is growing and keeps from any new growth. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 6:48:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Mix 2 doses 24D ester, 2 doses 24D amine, 2 doses roundup, and about 1 tablespoon of dawn. in a 5 gallon bucket. it should kill everything that can be pesticide killed practically, IF it doesn't die in a week from that mix get a shovel, dig up the survivor and send to the Smithsonian as it is a mutant species. ^(advice from the guy across the desk from me who sold pestacides for 20 years professionally, he also warns that you cant do such an application commercially)/ Quote HistoryQuoted:
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24D is what the USFS uses. Seems to work quite well. Will have to get some to try out. Mix 2 doses 24D ester, 2 doses 24D amine, 2 doses roundup, and about 1 tablespoon of dawn. in a 5 gallon bucket. it should kill everything that can be pesticide killed practically, IF it doesn't die in a week from that mix get a shovel, dig up the survivor and send to the Smithsonian as it is a mutant species. ^(advice from the guy across the desk from me who sold pestacides for 20 years professionally, he also warns that you cant do such an application commercially)/ Just put in the 24d ester unless you live in a hot or windy climate. Keep the roundup and keep the dawn. 24d is an synthetic auxin which is a growth regulator. (both the ester and amine formulations, ester is just more volatile than amine). Roundup is a esps (enzyme) targeting herbicide. There are resistant species. The soap just make adsorption better. It's a good thing. Get a good application the first time. You might have to come back in a week and reapply. Don't let it go to seed. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 6:49:38 PM EDT
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I've been using Gly Star Plus at 3 oz / gal around the driveway and the patios. I also sprayed a lot that had a pretty good crop of Kochia that was on the verge of pollenating and it did a pretty good job of killing it all. I upped the concentration to 6 oz. / gal. I used about a gallon of concentrate on a bit less than an acre.
Glystar is a glyphosphate - basically roundup, at around 1/2 the cost. I get it over the counter at Cenex a bit under $50/gal of concentrate. Gly Star Plus |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 6:51:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Mix 2 doses 24D ester, 2 doses 24D amine, 2 doses roundup, and about 1 tablespoon of dawn. in a 5 gallon bucket. it should kill everything that can be pesticide killed practically, IF it doesn't die in a week from that mix get a shovel, dig up the survivor and send to the Smithsonian as it is a mutant species. ^(advice from the guy across the desk from me who sold pestacides for 20 years professionally, he also warns that you cant do such an application commercially)/ Quote HistoryQuoted:
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24D is what the USFS uses. Seems to work quite well. Will have to get some to try out. Mix 2 doses 24D ester, 2 doses 24D amine, 2 doses roundup, and about 1 tablespoon of dawn. in a 5 gallon bucket. it should kill everything that can be pesticide killed practically, IF it doesn't die in a week from that mix get a shovel, dig up the survivor and send to the Smithsonian as it is a mutant species. ^(advice from the guy across the desk from me who sold pestacides for 20 years professionally, he also warns that you cant do such an application commercially)/ Pesticide is for creatures, herbicide is for plants. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 6:54:40 PM EDT
[#29]
Ten grams of Cobalt 60, on top of a six foot pole, in the middle of the area.
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Posted: 12/17/2014 6:55:21 PM EDT
[#30]
Glyphosate (roundup) @ 6 qts/ac +
Imazypyr (Arsenal) @ 20 oz/ac + Sulfometuron Methyl (Oust) @ 1.5 oz/ac and mix it all up with enough water for in a 10 gallon per acre application rate. Apply during the growing season. It will give you good immediate brown-up plus good long-term residual effect. Keep all people/pets out of the treatment area for 24 hours after application. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 6:55:47 PM EDT
[#31]
Scrap up the gravel, roll out a sheet of 6 mil plastic, put the gravel back on top. Might want to leave an open area around your house so the foundation doesn't dry out.
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Posted: 12/17/2014 6:56:41 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Pesticide is for creatures, herbicide is for plants. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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24D is what the USFS uses. Seems to work quite well. Will have to get some to try out. Mix 2 doses 24D ester, 2 doses 24D amine, 2 doses roundup, and about 1 tablespoon of dawn. in a 5 gallon bucket. it should kill everything that can be pesticide killed practically, IF it doesn't die in a week from that mix get a shovel, dig up the survivor and send to the Smithsonian as it is a mutant species. ^(advice from the guy across the desk from me who sold pestacides for 20 years professionally, he also warns that you cant do such an application commercially)/ Pesticide is for creatures, herbicide is for plants. All herbicides are technically pesticides but not all pesticides are herbicides. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 6:57:27 PM EDT
[#33]
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Salt. Lots of it. used for thousands of years.. Ever wonder why the Romans would salt the fields? nothing will EVER grow in that dirt. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 6:59:06 PM EDT
[#34]
Ortho Ground Clear.
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Posted: 12/17/2014 7:00:02 PM EDT
[#35]
Daisy cutter.
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Posted: 12/17/2014 7:01:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just put in the 24d ester unless you live in a hot or windy climate. Keep the roundup and keep the dawn. 24d is an synthetic auxin which is a growth regulator. (both the ester and amine formulations, ester is just more volatile than amine). Roundup is a esps (enzyme) targeting herbicide. There are resistant species. The soap just make adsorption better. It's a good thing. Get a good application the first time. You might have to come back in a week and reapply. Don't let it go to seed. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: 24D is what the USFS uses. Seems to work quite well. Will have to get some to try out. Mix 2 doses 24D ester, 2 doses 24D amine, 2 doses roundup, and about 1 tablespoon of dawn. in a 5 gallon bucket. it should kill everything that can be pesticide killed practically, IF it doesn't die in a week from that mix get a shovel, dig up the survivor and send to the Smithsonian as it is a mutant species. ^(advice from the guy across the desk from me who sold pestacides for 20 years professionally, he also warns that you cant do such an application commercially)/ Just put in the 24d ester unless you live in a hot or windy climate. Keep the roundup and keep the dawn. 24d is an synthetic auxin which is a growth regulator. (both the ester and amine formulations, ester is just more volatile than amine). Roundup is a esps (enzyme) targeting herbicide. There are resistant species. The soap just make adsorption better. It's a good thing. Get a good application the first time. You might have to come back in a week and reapply. Don't let it go to seed. Sub 30 to 100-120 degrees @ 5000 foot elevation. I have no problems laying it on thick. I also want to buy myself a decent economical backpack sprayer - due to a neck injury, holding a heavy jug in one hand is excruciating after a few minutes. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 7:02:09 PM EDT
[#37]
Agent orange?
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Posted: 12/17/2014 7:02:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Scrap up the gravel, roll out a sheet of 6 mil plastic, put the gravel back on top. Might want to leave an open area around your house so the foundation doesn't dry out. They started growing ON TOP OF THE FUCKING PLASTIC! I hate weeds, if you haven't noticed. My wife wouldn't let me just soak the yards in jellied petroleum and light it off. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 7:04:08 PM EDT
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I wish I could have the soil analyze in a spot in my yard. Nothing grows there! I have tried to grow grass & plants.
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Posted: 12/17/2014 7:04:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryNeighbors are sure to complain. At least the ones far enough away to survive the pressure wave. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 7:04:50 PM EDT
[#41]
Do you have kids or pets?
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Posted: 12/17/2014 7:05:18 PM EDT
[#42]
Round Up is your Allie.
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Posted: 12/17/2014 7:07:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you have kids or pets? I do have kids. They don't play outside this time of year. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 7:11:35 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Short of diesel...roundup 365 is what I use. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 7:11:56 PM EDT
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"Back in the day"...Premitol used to be the shit! My uncle always bragged about how he'd sprayed it around one of his bins and years later there was still nothing that grew there. Now, I can spray my gravel driveway with it and six weeks later you won't be able to tell that I ever sprayed it with anything. My buddy says that my problem is that I spot spray it and only spray where something green already grows. He maintains that you have to "paint it like you're using a brush." He may be right. Good luck OP. I've given up.
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Posted: 12/17/2014 7:12:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "Back in the day"...Premitol used to be the shit! My uncle always bragged about how he'd sprayed it around one of his bins and years later there was still nothing that grew there. Now, I can spray my gravel driveway with it and six weeks later you won't be able to tell that I ever sprayed it with anything. My buddy says that my problem is that I spot spray it and only spray where something green already grows. He maintains that you have to "paint it like you're using a brush." He may be right. Good luck OP. I've given up. I will never accept defeat! |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 7:13:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I do have kids. They don't play outside this time of year. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Do you have kids or pets? I do have kids. They don't play outside this time of year. Remember that anything that is residual enough to suppress new growth is enough to kids to pick up on their skin. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 7:14:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Remember that anything that is residual enough to suppress new growth is enough to kids to pick up on their skin. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Do you have kids or pets? I do have kids. They don't play outside this time of year. Remember that anything that is residual enough to suppress new growth is enough to kids to pick up on their skin. Fair enough. They really don't play in the yard at all - the park is a block away, but I'll definitely keep that in mind. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 7:22:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryGlyphosate. Generic RoundUp, brah. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 7:23:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is a product called Pramitol. It is a ground sterilant. If you have trees nearby, be careful, it will kill them, too. It was also move if it gets a heavy rain. That will keep the ground barren for YEARS. Be careful. |
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