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Posted: 12/17/2014 3:36:07 PM EDT
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I credit the Internet. Before the Internet, many people's views were shaped by television (news and sitcoms), and only a few liberal elites had control of those - they were mostly broadcast out of major liberal cities.
Now, anyone can post and talk on the Internet. I never knew there were people like arfcommers when I was growing up. If they existed, they were too afraid to talk about gun rights openly, likely b/c they feared ridicule. Now that anyone can report a news story to millions of people, it's a whole different world. They'll likely crack down on anonymous Internet access in our lifetimes, but I don't think it will ever really go back to the way it was. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 3:36:53 PM EDT
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I say the information on the internet.
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Posted: 12/17/2014 3:39:37 PM EDT
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I say the information on the internet. But the last sentence I posted was the one that got to me. An actual college-by-God-educated sociologist has actually come out and stated the obvious: We recognize that the police can't be everywhere, and we realize that We, The People are primarily responsible for our safety, and that of our family. I tell ya, it gave me goosebumps. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 3:44:58 PM EDT
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I think that some supporters are simply experiencing an increasing desire to exercise their freedom and others are sensing more of an obligation to do so.
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Posted: 12/17/2014 3:47:45 PM EDT
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I credit the Internet. Before the Internet, many people's views were shaped by television (news and sitcoms), and only a few liberal elites had control of those - they were mostly broadcast out of major liberal cities. Now, anyone can post and talk on the Internet. I never knew there were people like arfcommers when I was growing up. If they existed, they were too afraid to talk about gun rights openly, likely b/c they feared ridicule. Now that anyone can report a news story to millions of people, it's a whole different world. They'll likely crack down on anonymous Internet access in our lifetimes, but I don't think it will ever really go back to the way it was. This is a big part of it. You can find volumes of information about a topic that didn't come through a media sock puppet. Otherwise we'd all still be thinking guns all have to be registered and silencers are illegal. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 3:49:08 PM EDT
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But the last sentence I posted was the one that got to me. An actual college-by-God-educated sociologist has actually come out and stated the obvious: We recognize that the police can't be everywhere, and we realize that We, The People are primarily responsible for our safety, and that of our family. I tell ya, it gave me goosebumps. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I say the information on the internet. But the last sentence I posted was the one that got to me. An actual college-by-God-educated sociologist has actually come out and stated the obvious: We recognize that the police can't be everywhere, and we realize that We, The People are primarily responsible for our safety, and that of our family. I tell ya, it gave me goosebumps. Yep, people from both sides of the political spectrum want to protect their families. I know a lot of people who identify as liberals/democrats and even they say "Fuck anyone who wants to try take away my right to self defense." Or who applauded the legalization of concealed carry in Illinois. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 3:49:46 PM EDT
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Shall issue and the internet did it for me.
Self defense with a gun only makes sense if you can carry a gun. The internet provided me with informed, reasoned discussion of guns & self defense. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 3:49:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I say the information on the internet. +1 This is pretty much it. People forming their own decisions from information they gather themselves rather than basing it off of the biased views of the mainstream media. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 3:50:22 PM EDT
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Yep, people from both sides of the political spectrum want to protect their families. I know a lot of people who identify as liberals/democrats and even they say "Fuck anyone who wants to try take away my right to self defense." Or who applauded the legalization of concealed carry in Illinois. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I say the information on the internet. But the last sentence I posted was the one that got to me. An actual college-by-God-educated sociologist has actually come out and stated the obvious: We recognize that the police can't be everywhere, and we realize that We, The People are primarily responsible for our safety, and that of our family. I tell ya, it gave me goosebumps. Yep, people from both sides of the political spectrum want to protect their families. I know a lot of people who identify as liberals/democrats and even they say "Fuck anyone who wants to try take away my right to self defense." Or who applauded the legalization of concealed carry in Illinois. They may say that but they want YOUR rights taken away, not theirs. It's how they roll. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 3:51:37 PM EDT
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Gen X & Millenials playing Call of Duty, Modern Warfare, Battlefield, etc. & seeing cool guns, & wanting them in real life.
it's why lately the SJW's have made a hard push into the videogame industry, to write editorials decrying the realistic nature of these games, & the use of actual brand names/model numbers as promoting violence. that which becomes familiar becomes less scary/taboo. kids/young adults in the millions have played these games, & want to possess/use the guns in real life. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 3:51:52 PM EDT
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They may say that but they want YOUR rights taken away, not theirs. It's how they roll. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I say the information on the internet. But the last sentence I posted was the one that got to me. An actual college-by-God-educated sociologist has actually come out and stated the obvious: We recognize that the police can't be everywhere, and we realize that We, The People are primarily responsible for our safety, and that of our family. I tell ya, it gave me goosebumps. Yep, people from both sides of the political spectrum want to protect their families. I know a lot of people who identify as liberals/democrats and even they say "Fuck anyone who wants to try take away my right to self defense." Or who applauded the legalization of concealed carry in Illinois. They may say that but they want YOUR rights taken away, not theirs. It's how they roll. The ones I know beg me to take them shooting lol but yea, some people say one thing but act/vote differently. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 3:53:01 PM EDT
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Backed against the wall, citizens FIGHT back.
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Posted: 12/17/2014 3:54:01 PM EDT
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Tyranny fosters resistance.
Figure it out. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 3:54:40 PM EDT
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I think pro gun majority has always been reality just been skewed and biased for whatever benefit. Media tells us what THEY want to in order to advance their agendas. People are starting to see and realize stuff is getting bad everywhere now days. They perceive cops are stupid and will kill you. Local, state gov doesn't do anything. People are speaking out MORE as well.
We may be getting the medias version of Sandy Hook, Ferguson, etc. but I think in REALITY...what people are REALLY talking about is more toward facts and evidence being suppressed or slanted and wanting to be able to protect themselves. Its on the net, must be true!! |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 3:55:15 PM EDT
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Guns are cool. The internet has allowed millions of people who didn't otherwise have exposure to guns to see just how cool they are. It's hard to fight something (the awesomeness of guns) with nothing (the vague notion that guns are dangerous and people shouldn't have them).
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Posted: 12/17/2014 3:55:51 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/17/2014 3:55:54 PM EDT
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I say the information on the internet. And Arfcom could be a very large part of that. This is the largest most heavily trafficked forum I have ever ran across on the Internet. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 3:57:03 PM EDT
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And Arfcom could be a very large part of that. This is the largest most heavily trafficked forum I have ever ran across on the Internet. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I say the information on the internet. And Arfcom could be a very large part of that. This is the largest most heavily trafficked forum I have ever ran across on the Internet. I've also learned A LOT just from visiting/posting on here too. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 3:57:09 PM EDT
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So many publicized incidents where people are brutally murdered? Every time there is an incident, some people are going to say to themselves "how could I protect myself from that?"
Hell, the idiocy of the fergeson riots, rodney king and reginald denny, even the school shooting incidents force some people to take a long sober look and conclude that the police can't be there to help when the shooting starts. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 4:01:22 PM EDT
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Internet. While murders in the news does drive gun sales. The internet really helped non gun owners view gun ownership as normal. Unlike the media.
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Posted: 12/17/2014 4:03:04 PM EDT
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Oddly enough, you have to give some credit to the media, and the current administration. The media blows every single event so far out of proportion to drive their ratings numbers up that they have naturally created an uneasy feeling in American minds. And the current administration has done everything in its power to get Americans to fear and mistrust their government.
So you have 2 entities burning the candle at both ends. The media creates the fear, the .gov demonstrates that it can't or won't protect you and will harm you if it can. Naturally people want to protect themselves and a gun is a very popular and effective way of doing it. What's ironic imo, is that America is living is a very peaceful and low crime time period. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 4:03:50 PM EDT
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Gen X & Millenials playing Call of Duty, Modern Warfare, Battlefield, etc. & seeing cool guns, & wanting them in real life. it's why lately the SJW's have made a hard push into the videogame industry, to write editorials decrying the realistic nature of these games, & the use of actual brand names/model numbers as promoting violence. that which becomes familiar becomes less scary/taboo. kids/young adults in the millions have played these games, & want to possess/use the guns in real life. This. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 4:05:41 PM EDT
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Gen X & Millenials playing Call of Duty, Modern Warfare, Battlefield, etc. & seeing cool guns, & wanting them in real life. I don't think that's all of it, but I do think it's a factor. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 4:05:49 PM EDT
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Now if only we could do away with the NFA/GCA non-sense...
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Posted: 12/17/2014 4:08:41 PM EDT
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But the last sentence I posted was the one that got to me. An actual college-by-God-educated sociologist has actually come out and stated the obvious: We recognize that the police can't be everywhere, and we realize that We, The People are primarily responsible for our safety, and that of our family. I tell ya, it gave me goosebumps. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I say the information on the internet. But the last sentence I posted was the one that got to me. An actual college-by-God-educated sociologist has actually come out and stated the obvious: We recognize that the police can't be everywhere, and we realize that We, The People are primarily responsible for our safety, and that of our family. I tell ya, it gave me goosebumps. Here's her picture and an article: 
http://www.utm.utoronto.ca/vp-research/news/connaught-fund-2014 It appears she has published: "policing guns" ETA: FOUND IT! I think this is the research mentioned in the article: Carlson, Jennifer. "Why America Isn't the Only Country that Wants Guns for Self-Defense." The Christian Science Monitor 2013. ...There is no doubt that Americas gun ownership stands out globally: With an estimated 300 million-plus guns in the hands of civilians, Americans own more guns than any other nation in the world. And without Americas particular legal foundations and history, it is hard to imagine that the country would be as much of a hotbed for gun rights as it is today.... I found the article in the college's database, and sine I'm no sure if it is freely available outside academia I will not post the rest, but feel free to chase down the cite, it's there. Also interesting Carlson, Jennifer D. "States, Subjects and Sovereign Power: Lessons from Global Gun Cultures." Theoretical Criminology 18.3 (2014): 335-53. Abstract This article examines demand for guns for personal protection in the USA, South Africa, and India. To make sense of pro-gun sentiment across these different contexts, I argue that gun owners and carriers who arm themselves for personal protection represent a particular kind of ‘responsibilized’ subject. Drawing on Foucault’s analysis of sovereign power and governmentality, I develop a theory of the ‘sovereign subject’. This is a political rationality marked by private individuals’ capacity and desire to perform sovereign functions that the state has typically monopolized, specifically the exercise of legitimate, lethal violence. I conclude the article by suggesting four characteristics (historically precarious state monopoly on sovereign power; legality of civilian use of guns; preponderance of criminal guns; and US influence) that may encourage demand for guns in high-crime societies. You'll need to be able to access academic papers if you want to read it. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 4:12:38 PM EDT
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I don't think that's all of it, but I do think it's a factor. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Gen X & Millenials playing Call of Duty, Modern Warfare, Battlefield, etc. & seeing cool guns, & wanting them in real life. I don't think that's all of it, but I do think it's a factor. Yep this is a factor for sure. I know a young gamer who recently purchased his first firearm and is now looking for his first pistol. It was funny one day when he was talking about buying a suppressor. I was like no your not... I then had to explain the whole NFA thing to him. He had no idea suppressors were controlled like that. It was an eye opening moment for him. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 4:16:29 PM EDT
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I think there has always been a lot of support for guns in the U.S.; many of us were raised with them and it just wasn't a big deal. As the opposition gets more vocal, those who never really gave it a second thought before are starting to say "just you waita damn minute, there...". We've always been here, just never had reason to get all defensive about it until we started getting poked.
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Posted: 12/17/2014 4:18:04 PM EDT
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Decentralization of media/information. Internet.
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Posted: 12/17/2014 4:19:37 PM EDT
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People are catching on to the libbie's control issues....this is the land of the free....keep voting for libbies and we won't be allowed outside unless they give us an all clear. "for our own good"... Backlash needs sustained.
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Posted: 12/17/2014 4:20:13 PM EDT
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I think there has always been a lot of support for guns in the U.S.; many of us were raised with them and it just wasn't a big deal. As the opposition gets more vocal, those who never really gave it a second thought before are starting to say "just you waita damn minute, there...". We've always been here, just never had reason to get all defensive about it until we started getting poked. I was raised around guns and they were no big deal. It wasn't until I developed an interest in them that I came to realize how screwed up the laws and public perception was of them. I think there is a vast majority of people who would support guns who simply don't realize the assault that is being waged against them. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 4:22:48 PM EDT
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Doom and Al Gore. Everything else is incorrect. Crime is lower than it has ever been. Corruption on local levels is lower than it has ever been.
When I grow up, I want a DEagle and a plasma cannon.
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Posted: 12/17/2014 4:26:11 PM EDT
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A slim majority the article says...A if any majority matters.
gotta love those subject to the crown. I thhink seeing nightly displays of feral animals sating Kill whitey and hands up don't shoot may have quite a bit to do with it. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 4:32:04 PM EDT
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There are more of us than loud mouthed liberal fuck stick gun grabbers. That is all.
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Posted: 12/17/2014 4:33:18 PM EDT
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I was raised around guns and they were no big deal. It wasn't until I developed an interest in them that I came to realize how screwed up the laws and public perception was of them. I think there is a vast majority of people who would support guns who simply don't realize the assault that is being waged against them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think there has always been a lot of support for guns in the U.S.; many of us were raised with them and it just wasn't a big deal. As the opposition gets more vocal, those who never really gave it a second thought before are starting to say "just you waita damn minute, there...". We've always been here, just never had reason to get all defensive about it until we started getting poked. I was raised around guns and they were no big deal. It wasn't until I developed an interest in them that I came to realize how screwed up the laws and public perception was of them. I think there is a vast majority of people who would support guns who simply don't realize the assault that is being waged against them. I too was raised around guns and so was my entire family. Thanks to the internet and sites like this, I've become far more educated on the firearm subject and the laws pertaining to it. My family while gun friendly constantly spouts off this nonsense that they've been told over the years about gun laws and such. When I educate them and correct their thinking they all have a moment of clarity, and come to realize that what they know is wrong. Its beautiful, and all of the sudden the scary weapon of war, or the dangers of carrying a hand gun go away. Although some of my family still handle a firearm like they're picking up a turd by the clean end. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 4:34:36 PM EDT
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There are more of us than loud mouthed liberal fuck stick gun grabbers. That is all. That's the problem. It's the loud mouths that heard the sheep... |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 4:38:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's the problem. It's the loud mouths that heard the sheep... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There are more of us than loud mouthed liberal fuck stick gun grabbers. That is all. That's the problem. It's the loud mouths that heard the sheep... Not anymore. Hence the article.
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Posted: 12/17/2014 4:49:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Gen X & Millenials playing Call of Duty, Modern Warfare, Battlefield, etc. & seeing cool guns, & wanting them in real life. it's why lately the SJW's have made a hard push into the videogame industry, to write editorials decrying the realistic nature of these games, & the use of actual brand names/model numbers as promoting violence. that which becomes familiar becomes less scary/taboo. kids/young adults in the millions have played these games, & want to possess/use the guns in real life. I think most of them actually think seeing fake violence makes violent people. Remember all the arfcommers saying video games were one of the many factors in Sandy Hook?
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Posted: 12/17/2014 4:50:49 PM EDT
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I credit the Internet. Before the Internet, many people's views were shaped by television (news and sitcoms), and only a few liberal elites had control of those - they were mostly broadcast out of major liberal cities. Now, anyone can post and talk on the Internet. I never knew there were people like arfcommers when I was growing up. If they existed, they were too afraid to talk about gun rights openly, likely b/c they feared ridicule. Now that anyone can report a news story to millions of people, it's a whole different world. They'll likely crack down on anonymous Internet access in our lifetimes, but I don't think it will ever really go back to the way it was. Agreed. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 4:53:22 PM EDT
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+1 This is pretty much it. People forming their own decisions from information they gather themselves rather than basing it off of the biased views of the mainstream media. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I say the information on the internet. +1 This is pretty much it. People forming their own decisions from information they gather themselves rather than basing it off of the biased views of the mainstream media. This!.......Both posts. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 4:54:56 PM EDT
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I credit the Internet. Before the Internet, many people's views were shaped by television (news and sitcoms), and only a few liberal elites had control of those - they were mostly broadcast out of major liberal cities. Now, anyone can post and talk on the Internet. I never knew there were people like arfcommers when I was growing up. If they existed, they were too afraid to talk about gun rights openly, likely b/c they feared ridicule. Now that anyone can report a news story to millions of people, it's a whole different world. They'll likely crack down on anonymous Internet access in our lifetimes, but I don't think it will ever really go back to the way it was. Agreed. +2 here........ |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 4:55:55 PM EDT
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Call of Duty and Battlefield
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Posted: 12/17/2014 4:56:38 PM EDT
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Because of all of the educated and insightful posts on GD
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Posted: 12/17/2014 4:58:05 PM EDT
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... "We the People"
Internet helped facilitate the inevitable |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 4:59:09 PM EDT
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I say the information on the internet. +1 This is pretty much it. People forming their own decisions from information they gather themselves rather than basing it off of the biased views of the mainstream media. This!.......Both posts. No. ARFCOM!! 
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Posted: 12/17/2014 5:44:42 PM EDT
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I credit the Internet. Before the Internet, many people's views were shaped by television (news and sitcoms), and only a few liberal elites had control of those - they were mostly broadcast out of major liberal cities. Now, anyone can post and talk on the Internet. I never knew there were people like arfcommers when I was growing up. If they existed, they were too afraid to talk about gun rights openly, likely b/c they feared ridicule. Now that anyone can report a news story to millions of people, it's a whole different world. They'll likely crack down on anonymous Internet access in our lifetimes, but I don't think it will ever really go back to the way it was. This. As well as video games. They have made them "cool things to own" regardless, it is a beautiful thing, and would be amazing if we could harness the energy and propel ourselves forward towards some more freedom, rather than less. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 5:47:20 PM EDT
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Racism. Obviously.
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Posted: 12/17/2014 5:49:14 PM EDT
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I credit the Internet. Before the Internet, many people's views were shaped by television (news and sitcoms), and only a few liberal elites had control of those - they were mostly broadcast out of major liberal cities. Now, anyone can post and talk on the Internet. I never knew there were people like arfcommers when I was growing up. If they existed, they were too afraid to talk about gun rights openly, likely b/c they feared ridicule. Now that anyone can report a news story to millions of people, it's a whole different world. They'll likely crack down on anonymous Internet access in our lifetimes, but I don't think it will ever really go back to the way it was. A scary thought, but I don't doubt it. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 5:51:23 PM EDT
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A bunch of necessary but not sufficient factors.
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Posted: 12/17/2014 5:52:02 PM EDT
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Crime.
Crime. Crime. |
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