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Keep thinking that. Police fuck up no knock raids every week in america. If you shoot a LEO who fucked up on reading addresses or a CO pointed you out to get special favors, you just as fucked. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What's a guy to do? I have no reason to believe that the police would kick down my door and come in my house uninvited. I don't do drugs, don't deal drugs, and avoid other illegal activity. So if someone kicks in my door my assumption will be that they are criminals intent on harming my family and I will respond accordingly. Keep thinking that. Police fuck up no knock raids every week in america. If you shoot a LEO who fucked up on reading addresses or a CO pointed you out to get special favors, you just as fucked. http://thefreethoughtproject.com/man-shot-cops-no-knock-raid-acquitted-charges/ |
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Keep thinking that. Police fuck up no knock raids every week in america. If you shoot a LEO who fucked up on reading addresses or a CO pointed you out to get special favors, you just as fucked. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What's a guy to do? I have no reason to believe that the police would kick down my door and come in my house uninvited. I don't do drugs, don't deal drugs, and avoid other illegal activity. So if someone kicks in my door my assumption will be that they are criminals intent on harming my family and I will respond accordingly. Keep thinking that. Police fuck up no knock raids every week in america. If you shoot a LEO who fucked up on reading addresses or a CO pointed you out to get special favors, you just as fucked. It's only fair because the cops go to jail when they shoot the wrong person on a raid right? |
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They better yell more than "police" if they don't want to get some. "Police, Search Warrant!" might help and the better be wearing all their tac gear. Besides, don't they have bullet proof vest? View Quote What is with hat part? Cops have "bullet resistant armor". It also cover around 30ish percent of the body. |
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No-knock raids for "investigative" purposes need to go away right fucking now. If somebody is being held hostage, on fire, or otherwise about to die, by all means ram the door and do what you gotta do. But to perform a search? Fuck that shit... just begging for people (on either side of the badge) to get hurt. Felony-level stupid. View Quote 100% |
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What is with hat part? Cops have "bullet resistant armor". It also cover around 30ish percent of the body. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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They better yell more than "police" if they don't want to get some. "Police, Search Warrant!" might help and the better be wearing all their tac gear. Besides, don't they have bullet proof vest? What is with hat part? Cops have "bullet resistant armor". It also cover around 30ish percent of the body. If their armor can stop an angry swarm of 5.56mm then I guess I'm fucked and at least i went down fighting. |
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And that would indeed be a helpful indicator. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Unless i see a shitload of blue lights flashing in my front yard, I am inclined to disbelieve them. And that would indeed be a helpful indicator. Yeah this. And flashbangs. No flashbangs = something wrong. The locals (City/County) don't have a swat team. Any team around here is gonna be dope cops or a team from Jackson(Highway Patrol). Still, I've never been involved with the law more than a speeding ticket. If my front door busts open in the middle of the night I'm still going Israeli: shoot first, ask questions later. I'm not a cop hater, I know lots of cops and for the most part they are good folks, the local guys SHOULD a realize something is wrong and call me before they get here(I'm a professional Firefighter/EMT, work with these guys every day, have personal cell numbers, etc). If the Highway or Bureau fucks up its on them. |
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I found this kinda useful. Nothing is fool proof but it brings up some interesting points.
https://www.concealedcarrymagazine.com/tactics-and-training/how-can-you-tell-the-difference-between-a-police-raid-and-a-home-invasion/ |
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I have no reason to believe that the police would kick down my door and come in my house uninvited. I don't do drugs, don't deal drugs, and avoid other illegal activity. So if someone kicks in my door my assumption will be that they are criminals intent on harming my family and I will respond accordingly. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What's a guy to do? I have no reason to believe that the police would kick down my door and come in my house uninvited. I don't do drugs, don't deal drugs, and avoid other illegal activity. So if someone kicks in my door my assumption will be that they are criminals intent on harming my family and I will respond accordingly. Are you certain of that??? Don't forget there are clerical mistakes, perhaps an address mistake... Also Criminals can hack and use your WiFi. Be ready for anything. |
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I found this kinda useful. Nothing is fool proof but it brings up some interesting points. https://www.concealedcarrymagazine.com/tactics-and-training/how-can-you-tell-the-difference-between-a-police-raid-and-a-home-invasion/ View Quote I read the article. Not much comfort there. |
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Quoted: I have no reason to believe that the police would kick down my door and come in my house uninvited. I don't do drugs, don't deal drugs, and avoid other illegal activity. So if someone kicks in my door my assumption will be that they are criminals intent on harming my family and I will respond accordingly. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: What's a guy to do? I have no reason to believe that the police would kick down my door and come in my house uninvited. I don't do drugs, don't deal drugs, and avoid other illegal activity. So if someone kicks in my door my assumption will be that they are criminals intent on harming my family and I will respond accordingly. Same here. The odds of a home invasion are low, the odds of a wrong address police raid are even lower. |
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I have no reason to believe that the police would kick down my door and come in my house uninvited. I don't do drugs, don't deal drugs, and avoid other illegal activity. So if someone kicks in my door my assumption will be that they are criminals intent on harming my family and I will respond accordingly. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What's a guy to do? I have no reason to believe that the police would kick down my door and come in my house uninvited. I don't do drugs, don't deal drugs, and avoid other illegal activity. So if someone kicks in my door my assumption will be that they are criminals intent on harming my family and I will respond accordingly. Unfortunately they have been known (on occasion) to get the "wrong" address via snitches or just plain computer-dispatcher error....... |
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Tough decisions. It's a tough world. I have an idea, why don't we start punishing criminals? Then maybe there may some sort of consequences thing that may deter other would be criminals. Just a thought. NAH! that would be inhumane.....
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I have no reason to believe that the police would kick down my door and come in my house uninvited. I don't do drugs, don't deal drugs, and avoid other illegal activity. So if someone kicks in my door my assumption will be that they are criminals intent on harming my family and I will respond accordingly. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What's a guy to do? I have no reason to believe that the police would kick down my door and come in my house uninvited. I don't do drugs, don't deal drugs, and avoid other illegal activity. So if someone kicks in my door my assumption will be that they are criminals intent on harming my family and I will respond accordingly. i'm with you shane |
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What's a guy to do? I have no reason to believe that the police would kick down my door and come in my house uninvited. I don't do drugs, don't deal drugs, and avoid other illegal activity. So if someone kicks in my door my assumption will be that they are criminals intent on harming my family and I will respond accordingly. In your smarminess and haste, you spelled it wrong. |
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I have no reason to believe that the police would kick down my door and come in my house uninvited. I don't do drugs, don't deal drugs, and avoid other illegal activity. So if someone kicks in my door my assumption will be that they are criminals intent on harming my family and I will respond accordingly. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What's a guy to do? I have no reason to believe that the police would kick down my door and come in my house uninvited. I don't do drugs, don't deal drugs, and avoid other illegal activity. So if someone kicks in my door my assumption will be that they are criminals intent on harming my family and I will respond accordingly. I think for most of us, this is exactly where we are at. |
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Quoted: Until their back up (if you make it that far) make's sure you are carried by six. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Rather by judged by 12 then carried by 6 and all that. Until their back up (if you make it that far) make's sure you are carried by six. Maybe.
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Ahhh, yes. More Laws, That's the ticket. More laws. Because you can NEVER have enough laws. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Should pass a law to make it illegal to impersonate an officer... Works as well as gun laws. As I read in a different thread: "You need to have your sarcasm meter calibrated to GD levels". |
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How about apply some common sense and not believe the guys in "black hoodies and white bandannas". View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What's a guy to do? How about apply some common sense and not believe the guys in "black hoodies and white bandannas". I thought from the thread about the pastor that was shot by the undercover cops all that was required for a cop to be legally identified was a badge somewhere that's almost visible and yelling "police". |
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I have absolutely zero reason for my home to be entered by the police. Absolutely none.
If someone comes into my house and yells police, FBI, CSI, HTTP, or whatever, they're getting shot regardless. If the police just happened to accidentally no-knock my house, well, sorry. Their lack of planning doesn't trump my right to protect myself. The odds of that happening are so small, I'm not worried about it. |
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This exactly. I agree, someone kicks my door in hollering police and I cannot identify them they could very well still get a face full of lead. We had the same thing going on in Delaware a few years ago. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What's a guy to do? I have no reason to believe that the police would kick down my door and come in my house uninvited. I don't do drugs, don't deal drugs, and avoid other illegal activity. So if someone kicks in my door my assumption will be that they are criminals intent on harming my family and I will respond accordingly. This exactly. I agree, someone kicks my door in hollering police and I cannot identify them they could very well still get a face full of lead. We had the same thing going on in Delaware a few years ago. I'd like to think that'd I'd spring into action and save everything, but in reality, I'd probably freeze and hesitate trying to figure out what was happening if my door was kicked in with yells of "police". Horrible situation all around. |
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I read the article. Not much comfort there. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I found this kinda useful. Nothing is fool proof but it brings up some interesting points. https://www.concealedcarrymagazine.com/tactics-and-training/how-can-you-tell-the-difference-between-a-police-raid-and-a-home-invasion/ I read the article. Not much comfort there. So basically, to sum it up, you have about 5.3 seconds to evaluate all the possible clues, analyze if it is indeed police, and then go with your gut reaction. Nope. Not much comfort at all. |
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Same here. The odds of a home invasion are low, the odds of a wrong address police raid are even lower. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What's a guy to do? I have no reason to believe that the police would kick down my door and come in my house uninvited. I don't do drugs, don't deal drugs, and avoid other illegal activity. So if someone kicks in my door my assumption will be that they are criminals intent on harming my family and I will respond accordingly. Same here. The odds of a home invasion are low, the odds of a wrong address police raid are even lower. Exactly. Considering that I live in a good neighborhood, the chances are even lower. I don't go to bed each night expecting a home invasion. I just recognize that should anything happen, the probability of it being thugs is greater than the probability of it being police. |
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It's only fair because the cops go to jail when they shoot the wrong person on a raid right? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What's a guy to do? I have no reason to believe that the police would kick down my door and come in my house uninvited. I don't do drugs, don't deal drugs, and avoid other illegal activity. So if someone kicks in my door my assumption will be that they are criminals intent on harming my family and I will respond accordingly. Keep thinking that. Police fuck up no knock raids every week in america. If you shoot a LEO who fucked up on reading addresses or a CO pointed you out to get special favors, you just as fucked. It's only fair because the cops go to jail when they shoot the wrong person on a raid right? Makes me wonder; are the thugs acting like cops, or are the cops acting like thugs? |
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Quoted: Keep thinking that. Police fuck up no knock raids every week in america. If you shoot a LEO who fucked up on reading addresses or a CO pointed you out to get special favors, you just as fucked. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: What's a guy to do? I have no reason to believe that the police would kick down my door and come in my house uninvited. I don't do drugs, don't deal drugs, and avoid other illegal activity. So if someone kicks in my door my assumption will be that they are criminals intent on harming my family and I will respond accordingly. Keep thinking that. Police fuck up no knock raids every week in america. If you shoot a LEO who fucked up on reading addresses or a CO pointed you out to get special favors, you just as fucked. They had better not fuck up then. Lawsuits, reputation, being shot by a guy that doesn't have a reason to be arrested. All very good reasons not to fuck up. Here's the thing, there's nothing a regular person can do to make the police not fuck up. That's their job. Maybe they should do it.
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G.Gordon Liddy suggested we shoot as many of them in the head as we can before we are killed...and we will be killed if we react quickly with a gun in the hand.
That's pretty much my plan. Anyone bursts into my home, it's on. Let the real cops that get there many minutes later sort it out. |
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I remember the guy in MN who shot at the police when they went to the wrong address.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2007/12/18/minneapolis-swat-team-raids-wrong-house/ |
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I have no reason to believe that the police would kick down my door and come in my house uninvited. I don't do drugs, don't deal drugs, and avoid other illegal activity. So if someone kicks in my door my assumption will be that they are criminals intent on harming my family and I will respond accordingly. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What's a guy to do? I have no reason to believe that the police would kick down my door and come in my house uninvited. I don't do drugs, don't deal drugs, and avoid other illegal activity. So if someone kicks in my door my assumption will be that they are criminals intent on harming my family and I will respond accordingly. this defense has been used before, when cops mistakenly broke in the wrong house. It's a no-win situation for homeowners. I think there are only 2 answers to this situation: 1) hardend doors in homes so they cannot be instantly breached, hopefully ending the cops and/or criminals ability to smash a door and be inside instantly, giving a homeowner time to call police and figure out what is going on. 2) Stop no-knock warrants. Just end them completely. if someone smashes your door in and is yelling police, feel free to shoot because cops don't do that. I think this is really the only way to stop this. You don't give up ANYTHING without no-knocks. You catch them in transit, you stop them as they are buying smokes, you give up a few arrests a year cause they flushed their stash, whatever, but you stop assaulting innocent citizens accidentally, and you take away criminals ability smash doors and impersonate cops, putting citizens in a no-win situation. |
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Nope. I just recognize that if the police screw up, that's on them. There is no reason for police to come kicking in my door. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Yeah because police NEVER get the wrong address and shoot innocent people. You must live in an alternate reality. Nope. I just recognize that if the police screw up, that's on them. There is no reason for police to come kicking in my door. Pretty much the same opinion here. |
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this defense has been used before, when cops mistakenly broke in the wrong house. It's a no-win situation for homeowners. I think there are only 2 answers to this situation: 1) hardend doors in homes so they cannot be instantly breached, hopefully ending the cops and/or criminals ability to smash a door and be inside instantly, giving a homeowner time to call police and figure out what is going on. 2) Stop no-knock warrants. Just end them completely. if someone smashes your door in and is yelling police, feel free to shoot because cops don't do that. I think this is really the only way to stop this. You don't give up ANYTHING without no-knocks. You catch them in transit, you stop them as they are buying smokes, you give up a few arrests a year cause they flushed their stash, whatever, but you stop assaulting innocent citizens accidentally, and you take away criminals ability smash doors and impersonate cops, putting citizens in a no-win situation. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What's a guy to do? I have no reason to believe that the police would kick down my door and come in my house uninvited. I don't do drugs, don't deal drugs, and avoid other illegal activity. So if someone kicks in my door my assumption will be that they are criminals intent on harming my family and I will respond accordingly. this defense has been used before, when cops mistakenly broke in the wrong house. It's a no-win situation for homeowners. I think there are only 2 answers to this situation: 1) hardend doors in homes so they cannot be instantly breached, hopefully ending the cops and/or criminals ability to smash a door and be inside instantly, giving a homeowner time to call police and figure out what is going on. 2) Stop no-knock warrants. Just end them completely. if someone smashes your door in and is yelling police, feel free to shoot because cops don't do that. I think this is really the only way to stop this. You don't give up ANYTHING without no-knocks. You catch them in transit, you stop them as they are buying smokes, you give up a few arrests a year cause they flushed their stash, whatever, but you stop assaulting innocent citizens accidentally, and you take away criminals ability smash doors and impersonate cops, putting citizens in a no-win situation. It is a bad idea to try that as you allow for innocents on the road or in the store to become victims. I do agree that no-knocks should essentially be done away with. |
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I dont live where in a neighborhood where no-knock warrants are served.
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Very common home invasion tactic in Houston View Quote And in Phoenix, happened to a guy I have shot with. Homeowner said they were yelling police search warrant, cops are calling him a liar but I believe him over the police every day of the week. One cop who shoots at the club said they are telling the media not to run the story as they are more concerned with the real cops lives than the people who are getting brutally robbed. They knocked on his door and he opened it for them. They were dressed in entry gear. |
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kicking down doors and breaking into people's homes is dangerous business for all involved.
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This is why hardening the entry points to your home is so critical. Living in a house where you front door can be kicked in with two or three swift kicks is as bad as not owning any firearms.
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No-knock raids for "investigative" purposes need to go away right fucking now. If somebody is being held hostage, on fire, or otherwise about to die, by all means ram the door and do what you gotta do. But to perform a search? Fuck that shit... just begging for people (on either side of the badge) to get hurt. Felony-level stupid. View Quote Why do you love drug dealers bro?!?!?!??? |
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I heard "PUH-LEASE (Please) open the door and then they kicked it in so I shot........
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Yeah because police NEVER get the wrong address and shoot innocent people. You must live in an alternate reality. Nope. I just recognize that if the police screw up, that's on them. There is no reason for police to come kicking in my door. Pretty much the same opinion here. When similar topics have come up in the past, law enforcement officers on the sight have pointed out the statistical improbability of being the victim of a mistaken no knock event. Basically, unless a person is doing drugs or selling drugs, or living with someone who fits that description, the likelihood of facing a no knock is incredibly low. Lower than the probability of facing a burglar or home invasion. So when faced with an intruder at 0-dark-hundred the rational assumption is that it is a burglar or home invasion. In such circumstances I will in all probability be a bit groggy, so it is important to make the decision now rather than wait for the moment regarding how I will react. I already face the disadvantage of having multiple little kids sleeping in various rooms in the house, so I can't go firing my weapon blindly. I must identify that the target is not a child nor my wife. Home invaders suffer from no such restrictions. Again, I'm already at a disadvantage in that regard. Why hamstring myself any further? Probability clearly suggests that unless I have invited guests, anyone else in my home is a home invader. I agree with the counsel that hardening doors against being easily forced is a good first step. |
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If you are a law abiding citizen, and someone kicks your door in shouting POLICE, I think its reasonable for the law abiding citizen to assume that this is a life threatening criminal act in progress and react accordingly.
If you are a person that...say...flirts with the illegal things of the world....then yes, it is a conundrum. The only third option that exists is a mistake in which house to raid, and the number of mistakes where cops raid the wrong house is negligible so its not even worth discussion. |
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