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Posted: 12/17/2014 12:26:43 PM EDT
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What's a guy to do?
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Posted: 12/17/2014 12:26:49 PM EDT
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I would think that would be like first-day kinda shit in Home Invasion 101....
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Posted: 12/17/2014 12:28:29 PM EDT
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What's a guy to do? Shoot and go to prison. Don't shoot and die. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 12:28:48 PM EDT
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Fake police officers invade home, shoot resident in the head by KTRK – Houston A man is in critical condition after a group of men broke into his apartment, yelled 'police' and then shot him in the head http://news.yahoo.com/video/yahoo-news-special-report-peshawarattack-214022433.html http://news.yahoo.com/video/yahoo-news-special-report-peshawarattack-214022433.html This is not the video you're looking for, OP. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 12:35:08 PM EDT
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What's a guy to do? I have no reason to believe that the police would kick down my door and come in my house uninvited. I don't do drugs, don't deal drugs, and avoid other illegal activity. So if someone kicks in my door my assumption will be that they are criminals intent on harming my family and I will respond accordingly. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 12:38:19 PM EDT
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I have no reason to believe that the police would kick down my door and come in my house uninvited. I don't do drugs, don't deal drugs, and avoid other illegal activity. So if someone kicks in my door my assumption will be that they are criminals intent on harming my family and I will respond accordingly. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What's a guy to do? I have no reason to believe that the police would kick down my door and come in my house uninvited. I don't do drugs, don't deal drugs, and avoid other illegal activity. So if someone kicks in my door my assumption will be that they are criminals intent on harming my family and I will respond accordingly. Keep thinking that. Police fuck up no knock raids every week in america. If you shoot a LEO who fucked up on reading addresses or a CO pointed you out to get special favors, you just as fucked. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 12:40:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have no reason to believe that the police would kick down my door and come in my house uninvited. I don't do drugs, don't deal drugs, and avoid other illegal activity. So if someone kicks in my door my assumption will be that they are criminals intent on harming my family and I will respond accordingly. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What's a guy to do? I have no reason to believe that the police would kick down my door and come in my house uninvited. I don't do drugs, don't deal drugs, and avoid other illegal activity. So if someone kicks in my door my assumption will be that they are criminals intent on harming my family and I will respond accordingly. I believe that to be an increasingly unrealistic perspective. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 12:40:51 PM EDT
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One of my worst fears.
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Posted: 12/17/2014 12:44:12 PM EDT
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I have no reason to believe that the police would kick down my door and come in my house uninvited. I don't do drugs, don't deal drugs, and avoid other illegal activity. So if someone kicks in my door my assumption will be that they are criminals intent on harming my family and I will respond accordingly. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What's a guy to do? I have no reason to believe that the police would kick down my door and come in my house uninvited. I don't do drugs, don't deal drugs, and avoid other illegal activity. So if someone kicks in my door my assumption will be that they are criminals intent on harming my family and I will respond accordingly. This exactly. I agree, someone kicks my door in hollering police and I cannot identify them they could very well still get a face full of lead. We had the same thing going on in Delaware a few years ago. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 12:46:29 PM EDT
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Very common home invasion tactic in Houston
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Posted: 12/17/2014 12:47:32 PM EDT
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I have no reason to believe that the police would kick down my door and come in my house uninvited. I don't do drugs, don't deal drugs, and avoid other illegal activity. So if someone kicks in my door my assumption will be that they are criminals intent on harming my family and I will respond accordingly. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What's a guy to do? I have no reason to believe that the police would kick down my door and come in my house uninvited. I don't do drugs, don't deal drugs, and avoid other illegal activity. So if someone kicks in my door my assumption will be that they are criminals intent on harming my family and I will respond accordingly. With hundreds of thousands of laws, and regulations on the books, odds are you're committing at least one felony right now. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 12:47:40 PM EDT
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Should pass a law to make it illegal to impersonate an officer...
Works as well as gun laws. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 12:47:46 PM EDT
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I think a lot of people on here are thinking the same thing (about reacting to these circumstances), but we shouldn't post it b/c if it comes to that, you don't want your arfcom posts discovered by the prosecutor.
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Posted: 12/17/2014 12:49:12 PM EDT
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I have no reason to believe that the police would kick down my door and come in my house uninvited. I don't do drugs, don't deal drugs, and avoid other illegal activity. So if someone kicks in my door my assumption will be that they are criminals intent on harming my family and I will respond accordingly. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What's a guy to do? I have no reason to believe that the police would kick down my door and come in my house uninvited. I don't do drugs, don't deal drugs, and avoid other illegal activity. So if someone kicks in my door my assumption will be that they are criminals intent on harming my family and I will respond accordingly.  
Yeah because police NEVER get the wrong address and shoot innocent people. You must live in an alternate reality. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 12:49:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have no reason to believe that the police would kick down my door and come in my house uninvited. I don't do drugs, don't deal drugs, and avoid other illegal activity. So if someone kicks in my door my assumption will be that they are criminals intent on harming my family and I will respond accordingly. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What's a guy to do? I have no reason to believe that the police would kick down my door and come in my house uninvited. I don't do drugs, don't deal drugs, and avoid other illegal activity. So if someone kicks in my door my assumption will be that they are criminals intent on harming my family and I will respond accordingly. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 12:50:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think a lot of people on here are thinking the same thing (about reacting to these circumstances), but we shouldn't post it b/c if it comes to that, you don't want your arfcom posts discovered by the prosecutor.  |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 12:51:08 PM EDT
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Anyone coming into my home, without permission, is running into a hail of gunfire.
You can yell whatever the fuck you want. It won't make any difference. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 12:51:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have no reason to believe that the police would kick down my door and come in my house uninvited. I don't do drugs, don't deal drugs, and avoid other illegal activity. So if someone kicks in my door my assumption will be that they are criminals intent on harming my family and I will respond accordingly. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What's a guy to do? I have no reason to believe that the police would kick down my door and come in my house uninvited. I don't do drugs, don't deal drugs, and avoid other illegal activity. So if someone kicks in my door my assumption will be that they are criminals intent on harming my family and I will respond accordingly. Exactly. My first priority in life is to protect my family. We be upon the people invading my home. No-knocks are never heard of around here. If it is the wrong address, there will be a large price to pay. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 12:51:18 PM EDT
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I believe that to be an increasingly unrealistic perspective. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What's a guy to do? I have no reason to believe that the police would kick down my door and come in my house uninvited. I don't do drugs, don't deal drugs, and avoid other illegal activity. So if someone kicks in my door my assumption will be that they are criminals intent on harming my family and I will respond accordingly. I believe that to be an increasingly unrealistic perspective. Sincerely "avoiding illegal activity" requires expensive lawyers. The average middle class American probably cant afford due diligence, or even a cursory 1k/mo retainer to keep up. But it sounds better in court than an honest "I shoot men attacking my house," because that way leads to being tarred as a gold-fringed-flag nut. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 12:51:26 PM EDT
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Keep thinking that. Police fuck up no knock raids every week in america. If you shoot a LEO who fucked up on reading addresses or a CO pointed you out to get special favors, you just as fucked. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What's a guy to do? I have no reason to believe that the police would kick down my door and come in my house uninvited. I don't do drugs, don't deal drugs, and avoid other illegal activity. So if someone kicks in my door my assumption will be that they are criminals intent on harming my family and I will respond accordingly. Keep thinking that. Police fuck up no knock raids every week in america. If you shoot a LEO who fucked up on reading addresses or a CO pointed you out to get special favors, you just as fucked. And when it's proven that the police fouled-up, I'm still in the right. Yes, I may be screwed on a legal technicality or a police vendetta, but that is still preferable to leaving my family at the mercy of home invading thugs. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 12:52:33 PM EDT
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Private Property is Private Property
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Posted: 12/17/2014 12:53:04 PM EDT
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Yeah because police NEVER get the wrong address and shoot innocent people. You must live in an alternate reality. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What's a guy to do? I have no reason to believe that the police would kick down my door and come in my house uninvited. I don't do drugs, don't deal drugs, and avoid other illegal activity. So if someone kicks in my door my assumption will be that they are criminals intent on harming my family and I will respond accordingly.
Yeah because police NEVER get the wrong address and shoot innocent people. You must live in an alternate reality. Nope. I just recognize that if the police screw up, that's on them. There is no reason for police to come kicking in my door. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 12:54:37 PM EDT
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So what happens if you get into a gunfight/standoff with the police conducting s botched no knock?
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Posted: 12/17/2014 12:55:28 PM EDT
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You can yell whatever the fuck you want. It won't make any difference. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 12:55:30 PM EDT
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One of my worst fears. Quote HistoryQuoted:
One of my worst fears. Mine also. I have had cops within the last year knock on my door mistakenly because some addresses/street names are not clearly marked in this neighborhood. Combine that with what an earlier poster said (which I think is an obvious default position) : I have no reason to believe that the police would kick down my door and come in my house uninvited. I don't do drugs, don't deal drugs, and avoid other illegal activity. So if someone kicks in my door my assumption will be that they are criminals intent on harming my family and I will respond accordingly. These two things together have the makings for a very bad day. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 12:56:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sincerely "avoiding illegal activity" requires expensive lawyers. The average middle class American probably cant afford due diligence, or even a cursory 1k/mo retainer to keep up. But it sounds better in court than an honest "I shoot men attacking my house," because that way leads to being tarred as a gold-fringed-flag nut. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: What's a guy to do? I have no reason to believe that the police would kick down my door and come in my house uninvited. I don't do drugs, don't deal drugs, and avoid other illegal activity. So if someone kicks in my door my assumption will be that they are criminals intent on harming my family and I will respond accordingly. I believe that to be an increasingly unrealistic perspective. Sincerely "avoiding illegal activity" requires expensive lawyers. The average middle class American probably cant afford due diligence, or even a cursory 1k/mo retainer to keep up. But it sounds better in court than an honest "I shoot men attacking my house," because that way leads to being tarred as a gold-fringed-flag nut. It's okay, it has finally been explicitly codified that only we have to know every law and that cops don't. Expect more of both sorts of criminality to become the norm. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1696845_Supreme_Court__cop_s_ignorance_of_the_law_does_not_invalidate_search_resulting_from_BS_stop.html |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 12:56:29 PM EDT
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Yikes
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Posted: 12/17/2014 12:57:03 PM EDT
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Shoot and go to prison. and die in a hail of lead if it is in fact the police Don't shoot and die. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What's a guy to do? Shoot and go to prison. and die in a hail of lead if it is in fact the police Don't shoot and die. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 12:57:11 PM EDT
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Dude needs a better door and a better alarm and surveillance system. If you realize there is a problem when the bad guys are in the hall, then you have already failed.
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Posted: 12/17/2014 12:58:02 PM EDT
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Reminds me of this Story
Messed up situation to be in, but this guy didn't get indicted and he was a drug dealer! Cops have a shit job sometimes and I feel for them, however anyone kicking down my door criminal or cop should be very concerned with what comes next, especially from a law abiding citizen thinking someone just kicked in thier door to hurt/harm thier families! |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 12:59:06 PM EDT
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Shoot and go to prison. Don't shoot and die. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What's a guy to do? Shoot and go to prison. Don't shoot and die. THIS......is the problem with our legal system. Laws protect the criminal |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 1:01:51 PM EDT
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I have no reason to believe that the police would kick down my door and come in my house uninvited. I don't do drugs, don't deal drugs, and avoid other illegal activity. So if someone kicks in my door my assumption will be that they are criminals intent on harming my family and I will respond accordingly. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What's a guy to do? I have no reason to believe that the police would kick down my door and come in my house uninvited. I don't do drugs, don't deal drugs, and avoid other illegal activity. So if someone kicks in my door my assumption will be that they are criminals intent on harming my family and I will respond accordingly. Pretty much this. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 1:02:01 PM EDT
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Unless i see a shitload of blue lights flashing in my front yard, I am inclined to disbelieve them.
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Posted: 12/17/2014 1:05:25 PM EDT
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I have no reason to believe that the police would kick down my door and come in my house uninvited. I don't do drugs, don't deal drugs, and avoid other illegal activity. So if someone kicks in my door my assumption will be that they are criminals intent on harming my family and I will respond accordingly. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What's a guy to do? I have no reason to believe that the police would kick down my door and come in my house uninvited. I don't do drugs, don't deal drugs, and avoid other illegal activity. So if someone kicks in my door my assumption will be that they are criminals intent on harming my family and I will respond accordingly. +1 |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 1:06:46 PM EDT
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Unless i see a shitload of blue lights flashing in my front yard, I am inclined to disbelieve them. I don't know the protocol of no-knock raids, but I'd be willing to bet that the cops want the element of surprise and probably don't come screaming down your street lights and sirens blaring. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 1:08:23 PM EDT
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Unless i see a shitload of blue lights flashing in my front yard, I am inclined to disbelieve them. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 1:08:34 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/17/2014 1:09:44 PM EDT
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Nope. I just recognize that if the police screw up, that's on them. There is no reason for police to come kicking in my door. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What's a guy to do? I have no reason to believe that the police would kick down my door and come in my house uninvited. I don't do drugs, don't deal drugs, and avoid other illegal activity. So if someone kicks in my door my assumption will be that they are criminals intent on harming my family and I will respond accordingly.
Yeah because police NEVER get the wrong address and shoot innocent people. You must live in an alternate reality. Nope. I just recognize that if the police screw up, that's on them. There is no reason for police to come kicking in my door. Exactly so I am fucked either way, therefore, I am shooting either way |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 1:10:21 PM EDT
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I would think that would be like first-day kinda shit in Home Invasion 101.... That, and buy a bunch of cheap airsoft gear off ebay from the proceeds of your first score.
I have the same gear as some of our LEOs sitting in the closet. Get some POLICE or SHERIFF patches and you couldn't tell the difference at o'dark thirty. How do you respond to that? I just pray that if I'm ever involved in a raid they park an MRAP in the drive and give me a call first. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 1:10:24 PM EDT
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My stance has nothing to do with any desire to hurt law enforcement officers. I have a neighbor who's part of the sheriff's dept. and a friend who's an officer in the next town over. I would hate for either of them to be harmed. I'm just pointing out that if my door gets kicked in, I have no reason to believe that it's the police.
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Posted: 12/17/2014 1:11:01 PM EDT
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Unless i see a shitload of blue lights flashing in my front yard, I am inclined to disbelieve them. And that would indeed be a helpful indicator. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 1:11:27 PM EDT
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Rather by judged by 12 then carried by 6 and all that.
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Posted: 12/17/2014 1:12:01 PM EDT
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No-knock raids for "investigative" purposes need to go away right fucking now. If somebody is being held hostage, on fire, or otherwise about to die, by all means ram the door and do what you gotta do. But to perform a search? Fuck that shit... just begging for people (on either side of the badge) to get hurt.
Felony-level stupid. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 1:12:43 PM EDT
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Anyone coming into my home, without permission, is running into a hail of gunfire. You can yell whatever the fuck you want. It won't make any difference. Pretty much this. I have at least one gun in every room of the house. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 1:14:28 PM EDT
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What's a guy to do? How about apply some common sense and not believe the guys in "black hoodies and white bandannas". |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 1:17:45 PM EDT
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How about apply some common sense and not believe the guys in "black hoodies and white bandannas". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What's a guy to do? How about apply some common sense and not believe the guys in "black hoodies and white bandannas". Its dark.
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Posted: 12/17/2014 1:18:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have no reason to believe that the police would kick down my door and come in my house uninvited. I don't do drugs, don't deal drugs, and avoid other illegal activity. So if someone kicks in my door my assumption will be that they are criminals intent on harming my family and I will respond accordingly. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What's a guy to do? I have no reason to believe that the police would kick down my door and come in my house uninvited. I don't do drugs, don't deal drugs, and avoid other illegal activity. So if someone kicks in my door my assumption will be that they are criminals intent on harming my family and I will respond accordingly. This is where Common sense should take us but there is none of it left in the current system. I would shoot and hope I was not shooting a retarded cop! |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 1:19:24 PM EDT
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They better yell more than "police" if they don't want to get some. "Police, Search Warrant!" might help and the better be wearing all their tac gear. Besides, don't they have bullet proof vest?
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Posted: 12/17/2014 1:20:21 PM EDT
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Shoot and go to prison. Don't shoot and die. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What's a guy to do? Shoot and go to prison. Don't shoot and die. Not a commentary on the guy that got shot, but if you know you haven't broken the law and shoot a cop who hit the wrong house you may not go to prison. It will definitely fuck your life up though. I'll take fucked life over dead family. There's certainly not a good outcome no matter what. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 1:22:47 PM EDT
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what? no flash bangs?
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