I'm pretty sure the Democrats are going to be checking their Male Privilege for the 2016 presidential election. Personally, I'm hoping Warren wins the primaries because she will be much easier to defeat. The downside of that, is that if the Republicans drop the ball and lose....This nutcase will probably make us refer to the period of 2009-2016 as "the good old days".
Positive for Clinton:



People think of the 90's as a time of economic boom, and associate the Clinton name with that.

The main stream media still seems to love her.



Negative for Clinton:



She's damaged goods at this point. Really damaged, and she's about to find out, at this point, what difference it makes.
Positive for Warren:



She can still credibly claim to be a "Washington outsider".



Negative for Warren:



She's crazy. Just like Obama had those unscripted moments where he accidentally told the truth, she's going to have a lot of them, and they are going to hurt.

Neither.

It's going to be former mayor Julian Castro.

So my options are fucked...or...fucked.   ok then

Warren, unless Hillary kills her.

Here’s the deal…

Clinton can’t win and neither can Warren, if the Republican run someone who isn’t afraid to kick some ass. Unfortunately that’s a pretty big if.

There is so much dirt on Clinton that she could never survive any kind of a real challenge. Warren? She’s just another nutcase leftie who isn’t likely to get much support outside of the hardcore left. She will try to claim she is supporting the working class but any decent Conservative ought to be able to successfully argue that Liberalism really hurts the working class while Conservatism helps their economic condition drastically.

That being said, the Republicans will likely nominate yet another RINO liberal who lacks the balls to attack anyone except a Conservative.

Why exactly are we building Elizabeth Warren up to being this political juggernaut?  What exactly has she done?  It's not like she's going to slide by on white guilt.

She's not a political juggernaut, but the base seems to be enthralled with her.  For what its worth, some Obama acolytes are throwing their hat into the ring and encouraging her to run.  Not everyone in the Democratic party is thrilled with Clinton, and aside from the afore mentioned Julian Castro, there's no real credible challenger to Clinton.

Right now I'm really thinking it's more likely to be Warren, the left doesn't even particularly like Clinton and the narrative on that side is that the third way has failed, and the greater good demands a hard left turn. I don't think Warren is as weak a candidate as some of you seem to think either, and she was a conservative well into her 40's, so her political philosophy is well developed, she's not a shallow naïve lefty who doesn't understand the other side.

As far as winning the general goes I don't think it matters so much who the Dem nominee is as the Rep. The problem as I see it is we still haven't settled what the rebranded GOP is going to look like since W left office with approval in the teens, You can see the factions lining up behind various candidates this cycle and many of them would be a disaster IMO.

If the nominee is a Bush or a Christie or a Santorum we're flat fucked and we'll lose the senate too. I believe that goes for Cruz too as he's too divisive and has no charisma.

If it's a Paul or a Walker or a Haley we're in a better spot.

She is a woman.

Being black was zeros thing.

The Clinton Foundation raised $145 million last year.  There are individuals who gave $15 million lump sum donations.  They spent $8 million on "travel".  Which is to say she's got cash coming in, lots of it.  People are betting early on President Hillary and buying their favor chits with the early bird discount.

Political campaigns, like wars, are won with money.  Hillary has spent years assembling the logistics to buy a primary.  She will have a massive advantage when it's time to start seriously spending.

Either one is a lock if running against Jeb

She is an old hag that will never pull the swing vote.  

 

Eh, Paul needs to show everyone why he's not a moonbat then.  I don't have a problem with Cruz being divisive.  There's a difference, and I'd rather see a conservative GOP emerge as opposed to the "Big Tent" crap they tried to pull a decade or so ago.

Warren is not tarnished by Benghazi.  Warren can also play the video of Hitlery saying, "What difference does it make?"  On top of that there is all those unaccounted hours of flight and people allowed to fly on state department planes.  Hitlery is damaged goods.  Warren is a phony but at least she spoke out against the Crominbus.  That'll make her look better in a presidential bid.

Big tents win elections. There are right and wrong ways to build a big tent though, and right and wrong ways to spend your political capital should you win.

Paul is focused primarily on his path to being a viable nominee that can win the general. There isn't any point to being able to win the primary otherwise. I have no doubts about his viability in the general or his priorities should he win it, it's the primary that concerns me. The problem with Cruz is the very high likelihood that he wins the primary by making himself completely hopeless in the general election. That might change if he can pull some charisma from somewhere and reach outside his base with some Reaganesque messaging and charm. The fact that he's positioned himself as he has so far indicates to me that either shouldn't run or doesn't plan to.

I thought Warren said she wasn't running

If there were an actual cat fight, wouldn't it end with the typical 5-10 dead bodies left behind anytime the Clintons touch something?

Well they're both proven Liars, it will be a close match.

With the current GOP leadership, the Dems may just pull it off . . .

I LOL at all you thinking Warren has a chance.  Hitlery is the democrat Presidential candidate, period.  Warren is a sideshow with Hitlery being the Main Event.  The democrats will only mass vote for someone who can do the most damage to the US and that is Hitlery.  Damage in this case is defined as expanded welfare, entitlements, more illegals "legalized", more dope legalization, constant attacks on the republicans and conservatives, higher taxes for the "rich" (meaning anyone middle class) and the advance of socialism via "A socialist chicken in every pot!" type actions.  Hitlery has the name, the campaigning know how, the connections, the funds and a proven track record of far left liberalism and socialist tendencies.  In other words, a poster child of the perfect democrat president.

So far there is no republican candidate that can come close to defeating Hitlery.  All the republicans are fringe or derisive figures with limited base that will not unite the republican vote, hence giving Hitlery the win like the ignorant fucking republicans did in the last 2 presidential elections.  Stupidity, selfishness and stubbornness runs too deep in the republican and conservative camp for most to back a single candidate anymore.  Whereas the democrats WILL unite behind whoever gets the nod, which in this case will undoubtedly be Hitlery.

Also do not forget, Issa and the rest of the republicans on the Congressional investigative committee handed Hitlery the win when they absolved her, and The Obama, of nearly all blame or fault in Benghazi.  You can bet our lilly white asses she will be touting that fact hot and heavy in campaign speeches and debates.

True, but you don't win elections by saying how bad the other side is, but rather by having a candidate that voters think is better than theirs.  The GOP has not done this well lately.

"...at this time"  Anyway, her schtick requires that she be "drafted" by a "groundswell of grass roots supporters" or something.

Hillary was the shoe in 2008 also, remember?   It's Obama's party now, and there's no love loss between them and the Clintons.

Whoever runs will sling mud at eachother but once that candidate emerges ie Clinton the mud slinging will stop, and the corrupt press will get behind her and make the big push.

Unless another "clean" minority candidate pops up that gets the base and the media all tingly legged Hitlery is THE candidate.  There already is an evening drama series starring her persona along with the inevitable media fawning that has already started.  She will be a juggernaut this time and will pull out all stops to defeat any other democrat hopefuls.  I have no doubt all kinds of filth and dirt will ne tossed out by "anonymous" persons trashing Warren and Castro.  Once she has the democrat nomination in the bag the campaigning is all over since the media will then go into republican attack mode, feeding Hitlery whatever she needs to knock the republican candidate about the head and shoulders.  In addition to what ignorant shit the republican himself puts out there to be used as a club against him.

This election should normally be a fairly easy win for a republican but as is normal in Presidential elections now, the republican will surely snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory.