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Posted: 12/20/2014 3:24:34 AM EDT
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This is false, they traded them all in for shotguns and screen doors. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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plenty of special people have been carrying SCARS and HKs with pistons. This is false, they traded them all in for shotguns and screen doors. If Geneva allowed Halalberds, they would carry them instead. ARF logic: If it isn't an M4 clone or a G19, it is useless junk. LOL. You can add a FF tube, 2 stage trigger, coated BCG, and GD will declare your rifle better. Add a different gas system, and it is complete shit. 
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Posted: 12/20/2014 3:24:47 AM EDT
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No, I've never buried an AK. Here's a video of one running after 18 years being buried though. AK is Awesome. Burried for 18 years and still runs. I've heard of dumpster diving, but those guys dug up a landfill. 
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Posted: 12/20/2014 3:26:55 AM EDT
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No, I've never buried an AK. Here's a video of one running after 18 years being buried though. AK is Awesome. Burried for 18 years and still runs. I've heard of dumpster diving, but those guys dug up a landfill. And it still runs. 
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Posted: 12/20/2014 3:27:21 AM EDT
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What did they dump into filthy fifteen or whatever retarded number it has with it's nominal less than 16K rounds of reliability after half a dozen bolt changes and such? A gallon of oil? To keep it going? Where the fuck are you going to get oil from during SHTF? You going to be draining oil pans or something? Carrying around gallon jugs of 10W-30 and a baggie of O-Rings with springs? LOL Retarded. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Saying "shits where it eats" automatically disqualifies you from having relevancy. What did they dump into filthy fifteen or whatever retarded number it has with it's nominal less than 16K rounds of reliability after half a dozen bolt changes and such? A gallon of oil? To keep it going? Where the fuck are you going to get oil from during SHTF? You going to be draining oil pans or something? Carrying around gallon jugs of 10W-30 and a baggie of O-Rings with springs? LOL Retarded. Go put 16k rounds through a single AK and get back to us. |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 3:28:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Add a different gas system, and it is complete shit. Have you looked at any gun that has a piston? They have nice little rails for the bolt carrier to ride on. AR is steel tube in alum tube, adding off center force is bad. If you really want a piston build the gun to have a piston, dont shoehorn one onto an existing design that wasn't made for it.
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Posted: 12/20/2014 3:28:35 AM EDT
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If Geneva allowed Halalberds, they would carry them instead. ARF logic: If it isn't an M4 clone or a G19, it is useless junk. LOL. You can add a FF tube, 2 stage trigger, coated BCG, and GD will declare your rifle better. Add a different gas system, and it is complete shit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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plenty of special people have been carrying SCARS and HKs with pistons. This is false, they traded them all in for shotguns and screen doors. If Geneva allowed Halalberds, they would carry them instead. ARF logic: If it isn't an M4 clone or a G19, it is useless junk. LOL. You can add a FF tube, 2 stage trigger, coated BCG, and GD will declare your rifle better. Add a different gas system, and it is complete shit. But it depends on the terrain!!!! The terrain determines how good a rifle is now! |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 3:29:28 AM EDT
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But it depends on the terrain!!!! The terrain determines how good a rifle is now! Will there be bears? |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 3:30:31 AM EDT
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And it still runs. Eh, I guess if they felt a need to hide their weapons instead of just carrying and using them. |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 3:30:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Will there be bears? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: But it depends on the terrain!!!! The terrain determines how good a rifle is now! Will there be bears?  |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 3:31:00 AM EDT
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Go put 16k rounds through a single AK and get back to us. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Saying "shits where it eats" automatically disqualifies you from having relevancy. What did they dump into filthy fifteen or whatever retarded number it has with it's nominal less than 16K rounds of reliability after half a dozen bolt changes and such? A gallon of oil? To keep it going? Where the fuck are you going to get oil from during SHTF? You going to be draining oil pans or something? Carrying around gallon jugs of 10W-30 and a baggie of O-Rings with springs? LOL Retarded. Go put 16k rounds through a single AK and get back to us. I have more than that through three of them here, one pushing 26K rounds. Now get back to me. FYI- not a single part replaced outside of a hammer in the control group either, not even a recoil spring. 
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Posted: 12/20/2014 3:31:06 AM EDT
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But it depends on the terrain!!!! The terrain determines how good a rifle is now! Will there be bears? It depends on the color of the sun. |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 3:31:12 AM EDT
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Because it's an ugly POS.
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Posted: 12/20/2014 3:31:55 AM EDT
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I have more than that through three of them here, one pushing 26K rounds. Now get back to me. FYI- not a single part replaced outside of a hammer in the control group either, not even a recoil spring. Is it documented? Because I find that really, really hard to believe. |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 3:32:54 AM EDT
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Go put 16k rounds through a single AK and get back to us. Plenty of hajis have done so. They work just fine. Take a look at Somalia AK's. Those are some of the worst I've ever seen but they still work. Hell some rifles that have been in circulation in ME countries for decades still work to this day. |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 3:33:19 AM EDT
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This is false, they traded them all in for shotguns and screen doors. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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plenty of special people have been carrying SCARS and HKs with pistons. This is false, they traded them all in for shotguns and screen doors. It fucking takes meat from bone, show some respect 
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Posted: 12/20/2014 3:37:09 AM EDT
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Is it documented? Because I find that really, really hard to believe. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have more than that through three of them here, one pushing 26K rounds. Now get back to me. FYI- not a single part replaced outside of a hammer in the control group either, not even a recoil spring. Is it documented? Because I find that really, really hard to believe. Really because the Bulgarians at Kazanlak have one with 300K rounds through it in their museum, it's a smoothbore but it still fires. 26K ain't shit for an AK on semi, likely go 35K before the barrel wears out- which is honestly why, in my experience, I have a hard time believing these operators found rifles that blew up out of the crate. 
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Posted: 12/20/2014 3:37:21 AM EDT
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Go put 16k rounds through a single AK and get back to us. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Saying "shits where it eats" automatically disqualifies you from having relevancy. What did they dump into filthy fifteen or whatever retarded number it has with it's nominal less than 16K rounds of reliability after half a dozen bolt changes and such? A gallon of oil? To keep it going? Where the fuck are you going to get oil from during SHTF? You going to be draining oil pans or something? Carrying around gallon jugs of 10W-30 and a baggie of O-Rings with springs? LOL Retarded. Go put 16k rounds through a single AK and get back to us. Dude that's waaaay too much money to blow to prove something. Did you see the video where they buried the AK? What else does this platform need to prove to you
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Posted: 12/20/2014 3:38:05 AM EDT
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SCARs are not ARs with pistons, they were designed from the start to have them, I dislike them for other reasons, but the piston design on them is fine. Im good buddies with a guy who was in the Ranger unit that deployed with the 5.56 SCARs, they hated them. The .308 is liked alright, but it was really the only option in light .308. 416s have been dumped by several of their users and have their own issues, but probably represent the best piston AR. Give me a MK18 any day. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Haven't there been tests that show piston ARs to be more reliable? I seem to recall several threads on it. For being in love with the special units, GD seems to forget that plenty of special people have been carrying SCARS and HKs with pistons. SCARs are not ARs with pistons, they were designed from the start to have them, I dislike them for other reasons, but the piston design on them is fine. Im good buddies with a guy who was in the Ranger unit that deployed with the 5.56 SCARs, they hated them. The .308 is liked alright, but it was really the only option in light .308. 416s have been dumped by several of their users and have their own issues, but probably represent the best piston AR. Give me a MK18 any day. The problem is defining what a piston AR is. Personally, I've loosely catagorized SCAR, HK, LWRC, SIG, Ruger, Adams ect as piston ARs even though they are all different. I think they were all designed and tested from a factory to be piston guns. I've owned more than a few that have seen moderate abuse, and functioned well in conditions where I've seen DI fail. I haven't heard the reliability issue with piston ARs other than builds or conversion kits that fail for a whole variety of reasons. There are plenty of DI build issues out there as well. The problem with a piston conversion is what you pointed out, it isn't really designed for it. However, the piston rifles from the manufactorers mentioned above have modified the design appropriately (sooner or later) and are very reliable. The biggest problem I have with piston guns is the extra weight. For many uses, the extra weight doesn't seem worth it. |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 3:38:34 AM EDT
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But it depends on the terrain!!!! The terrain determines how good a rifle is now! Will there be bears? 
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Posted: 12/20/2014 3:38:53 AM EDT
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If Geneva allowed Halalberds, they would carry them instead. ARF logic: If it isn't an M4 clone or a G19, it is useless junk. LOL. You can add a FF tube, 2 stage trigger, coated BCG, and GD will declare your rifle better. Add a different gas system, and it is complete shit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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plenty of special people have been carrying SCARS and HKs with pistons. This is false, they traded them all in for shotguns and screen doors. If Geneva allowed Halalberds, they would carry them instead. ARF logic: If it isn't an M4 clone or a G19, it is useless junk. LOL. You can add a FF tube, 2 stage trigger, coated BCG, and GD will declare your rifle better. Add a different gas system, and it is complete shit. You can't just go adding different gas systems to rifles that weren't designed for them.
Let's go about making the AK a roller lock gun, and see how well that turns out. |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 3:40:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The problem is defining what a piston AR is. Personally, I've loosely catagorized SCAR, HK, LWRC, SIG, Ruger, Adams ect as piston ARs even though they are all different. Dude.  |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 3:40:23 AM EDT
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You can't just go adding different gas systems to rifles that weren't designed for them.
Let's go about making the AK a roller lock gun, and see how well that turns out. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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plenty of special people have been carrying SCARS and HKs with pistons. This is false, they traded them all in for shotguns and screen doors. If Geneva allowed Halalberds, they would carry them instead. ARF logic: If it isn't an M4 clone or a G19, it is useless junk. LOL. You can add a FF tube, 2 stage trigger, coated BCG, and GD will declare your rifle better. Add a different gas system, and it is complete shit. You can't just go adding different gas systems to rifles that weren't designed for them.
Let's go about making the AK a roller lock gun, and see how well that turns out. No AK works fine. |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 3:41:51 AM EDT
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The problem is defining what a piston AR is. Personally, I've loosely catagorized SCAR, HK, LWRC, SIG, Ruger, Adams ect as piston ARs even though they are all different.
Dude. don't stop him he's on a roll |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 3:41:59 AM EDT
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No, AK works fine in the trash can. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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plenty of special people have been carrying SCARS and HKs with pistons. This is false, they traded them all in for shotguns and screen doors. If Geneva allowed Halalberds, they would carry them instead. ARF logic: If it isn't an M4 clone or a G19, it is useless junk. LOL. You can add a FF tube, 2 stage trigger, coated BCG, and GD will declare your rifle better. Add a different gas system, and it is complete shit. You can't just go adding different gas systems to rifles that weren't designed for them.
Let's go about making the AK a roller lock gun, and see how well that turns out. No, AK works fine in the trash can. |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 3:42:47 AM EDT
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You can't just go adding different gas systems to rifles that weren't designed for them.
Let's go about making the AK a roller lock gun, and see how well that turns out. You know that saying about you know a trainwreck is going to be bad, but you still watch anyway? That's where I'd file that. |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 3:43:05 AM EDT
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But it depends on the terrain!!!! The terrain determines how good a rifle is now! Will there be bears? http://i59.tinypic.com/2hyeb1z.jpg He. Is. Back. SAVE US AFGHANMAN! |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 3:44:17 AM EDT
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You know that saying about you know a trainwreck is going to be bad, but you still watch anyway? That's where I'd file that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You can't just go adding different gas systems to rifles that weren't designed for them.
Let's go about making the AK a roller lock gun, and see how well that turns out. You know that saying about you know a trainwreck is going to be bad, but you still watch anyway? That's where I'd file that. I dunno. The last trainwreck I was in, I didn't look. 
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Posted: 12/20/2014 3:44:26 AM EDT
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No AR's works fine. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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plenty of special people have been carrying SCARS and HKs with pistons. This is false, they traded them all in for shotguns and screen doors. If Geneva allowed Halalberds, they would carry them instead. ARF logic: If it isn't an M4 clone or a G19, it is useless junk. LOL. You can add a FF tube, 2 stage trigger, coated BCG, and GD will declare your rifle better. Add a different gas system, and it is complete shit. You can't just go adding different gas systems to rifles that weren't designed for them.
Let's go about making the AK a roller lock gun, and see how well that turns out. No AR's works fine. |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 3:44:32 AM EDT
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No, AK works fine in the trash can. Why does he keep changing his opinion, dammit?
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Posted: 12/20/2014 3:44:35 AM EDT
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No, AK works fine in the trash can. AK will work fine in a trash can, a dumpster, covered in mud, firing underwater, buried for two decades, and after 300K rounds.
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Posted: 12/20/2014 3:45:25 AM EDT
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Why does he keep changing his opinion, dammit?
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No, AK works fine in the trash can. Why does he keep changing his opinion, dammit?
Not sure, I think he might be on drugs. Perhaps crocodile or whatever that new Russian drug is called |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 3:45:32 AM EDT
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plenty of special people have been carrying SCARS and HKs with pistons. This is false, they traded them all in for shotguns and screen doors. If Geneva allowed Halalberds, they would carry them instead. ARF logic: If it isn't an M4 clone or a G19, it is useless junk. LOL. You can add a FF tube, 2 stage trigger, coated BCG, and GD will declare your rifle better. Add a different gas system, and it is complete shit. You can't just go adding different gas systems to rifles that weren't designed for them.
Let's go about making the AK a roller lock gun, and see how well that turns out. No AK works fine. So did the AR-15. Didn't stop people from cramming a piston in it, because they knew somebody would buy it. I do believe HK really thought they could make a more reliable carbine. But I'm assuming every other company just bought into HK's marketing, and jumped on the bandwagon. I'm sure there's a good reason those 80's era Rhino piston kits never caught on. |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 3:46:33 AM EDT
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AK will work fine in a trash can, a dumpster, covered in mud, firing underwater, buried for two decades, and after 300K rounds.
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No, AK works fine in the trash can. AK will work fine in a trash can, a dumpster, covered in mud, firing underwater, buried for two decades, and after 300K rounds.
They don't work well with a bullet button. Just saying. 
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Posted: 12/20/2014 3:46:36 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/20/2014 3:46:54 AM EDT
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I dunno. The last trainwreck I was in, I didn't look. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You can't just go adding different gas systems to rifles that weren't designed for them.
Let's go about making the AK a roller lock gun, and see how well that turns out. You know that saying about you know a trainwreck is going to be bad, but you still watch anyway? That's where I'd file that. I dunno. The last trainwreck I was in, I didn't look. 
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Posted: 12/20/2014 3:48:00 AM EDT
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Not sure, I think he might be on drugs. Perhaps crocodile or whatever that new Russian drug is called Ah, this clears it up. |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 3:48:40 AM EDT
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AK will work fine in a trash can, a dumpster, covered in mud, firing underwater, buried for two decades, and after 300K rounds.
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No, AK works fine in the trash can. AK will work fine in a trash can, a dumpster, covered in mud, firing underwater, buried for two decades, and after 300K rounds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqRwx4wtmms&feature=related 
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Posted: 12/20/2014 3:48:45 AM EDT
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AK will work fine in a trash can, a dumpster, covered in mud, firing underwater, buried for two decades, and after 300K rounds.
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No, AK works fine in the trash can. AK will work fine in a trash can, a dumpster, covered in mud, firing underwater, buried for two decades, and after 300K rounds.
If I had to look at an AK every day, I would probably bury it or throw it in water, just to be done with it. 
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Posted: 12/20/2014 3:49:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ah, this clears it up. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not sure, I think he might be on drugs. Perhaps crocodile or whatever that new Russian drug is called Ah, this clears it up. Since AKs never need cleaning or maintenance thats what the hole in the stock is for. Not for cleaning kit, but Krokodil kit.
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Posted: 12/20/2014 3:50:13 AM EDT
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You can't just go adding different gas systems to rifles that weren't designed for them.
Let's go about making the AK a roller lock gun, and see how well that turns out. You know that saying about you know a trainwreck is going to be bad, but you still watch anyway? That's where I'd file that. I dunno. The last trainwreck I was in, I didn't look. http://weknowgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/choo-choo-motherfucker-gif.gif Yeah, it was something like that. 
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Posted: 12/20/2014 3:50:36 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/20/2014 3:51:59 AM EDT
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So did the AR-15. Didn't stop people from cramming a piston in it, because they knew somebody would buy it. I do believe HK really thought they could make a more reliable carbine. But I'm assuming every other company just bought into HK's marketing, and jumped on the bandwagon. I'm sure there's a good reason those 80's era Rhino piston kits never caught on. The HK is recent to the piston market. Nobody "followed" their lead. There are other piston rifle companies that have been around longer. The information environment was also much different in the 80's than it is now. Think about how fast we get information today versus back then. Would you not agree that would effect marketing as well? |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 3:53:29 AM EDT
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Since AKs never need cleaning or maintenance thats what the hole in the stock is for. Not for cleaning kit, but Krokodil kit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not sure, I think he might be on drugs. Perhaps crocodile or whatever that new Russian drug is called Ah, this clears it up. Since AKs never need cleaning or maintenance thats what the hole in the stock is for. Not for cleaning kit, but Krokodil kit. I'm glad we got that cleared up. I always wondered what that was for now we know conclusively. AK's come standard with Krokodil injection kit, to numb the pain of AK ownership. |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 3:53:40 AM EDT
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The HK is recent to the piston market. Nobody "followed" their lead. There are other piston rifle companies that have been around longer. The information environment was also much different in the 80's than it is now. Think about how fast we get information today versus back then. Would you not agree that would effect marketing as well? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So did the AR-15. Didn't stop people from cramming a piston in it, because they knew somebody would buy it. I do believe HK really thought they could make a more reliable carbine. But I'm assuming every other company just bought into HK's marketing, and jumped on the bandwagon. I'm sure there's a good reason those 80's era Rhino piston kits never caught on. The HK is recent to the piston market. Nobody "followed" their lead. There are other piston rifle companies that have been around longer. The information environment was also much different in the 80's than it is now. Think about how fast we get information today versus back then. Would you not agree that would effect marketing as well? I don't know of anybody making piston AR variants that were actually considered for military use prior to HK. Who were the others? (With the exception of the T65, now that I think about it.) |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 3:56:01 AM EDT
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I also used to have a friend that had the same mentality that AK's were the ultimate weapon. So reliable, no cleaning needed.
Apparently that mentality also translated to personal hygiene, because there were days that bastard stank. Said showers weren't that important, he could go a few days without one.
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Posted: 12/20/2014 3:58:54 AM EDT
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I also used to have a friend that had the same mentality that AK's were the ultimate weapon. So reliable, no cleaning needed. Apparently that mentality also translated to personal hygiene, because there were days that bastard stank. Said showers weren't that important, he could go a few days without one. Da comrade when one uses their Krokodile kit as intended they are enlightened to the truth, humans much like Ak's require zero cleaning to function properly. |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 4:00:48 AM EDT
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So did the AR-15. Didn't stop people from cramming a piston in it, because they knew somebody would buy it. I do believe HK really thought they could make a more reliable carbine. But I'm assuming every other company just bought into HK's marketing, and jumped on the bandwagon. I'm sure there's a good reason those 80's era Rhino piston kits never caught on. The HK is recent to the piston market. Nobody "followed" their lead. There are other piston rifle companies that have been around longer. The information environment was also much different in the 80's than it is now. Think about how fast we get information today versus back then. Would you not agree that would effect marketing as well? I don't know of anybody making piston AR variants that were actually considered for military use prior to HK. Who were the others? (With the exception of the T65, now that I think about it.) LWRC is one. They made it into the Army IC competition. While the program was canceled the result that came out of that was the M6 IC for the civilian market (which I do own) and LWRC was making piston style AR's before HK decided to jump on the bandwagon. LWRCs were originally intended for military and federal service. While I don't hold a lot of stock when it comes to them being abused by the DEA I know the Saudis have LWRCs in their inventories and from what I've been told they like them. Not all piston AR's are created equal and not all piston kits are created equal. I encourage people to do research into todays piston market as it is totally different from that of yesteryear. All the things I hear constantly from people who know nothing about them are issues already resolved. I always laugh at the weight comment. People act like we are adding a pound or two onto the rifles. Take a look at the offerings on the market before you regurgitate things you've heard from others or believed in the past. That's all I ask. I don't hate on DI and I surely am not going to give someone shit for owning one unlike a lot of the piston hating crowd. I learned respect for other peoples choices and free will a long time ago. It seems a lot of arfcommers missed that lesson. |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 4:04:53 AM EDT
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Have you looked at any gun that has a piston? They have nice little rails for the bolt carrier to ride on. AR is steel tube in alum tube, adding off center force is bad. If you really want a piston build the gun to have a piston, dont shoehorn one onto an existing design that wasn't made for it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Add a different gas system, and it is complete shit. Have you looked at any gun that has a piston? They have nice little rails for the bolt carrier to ride on. AR is steel tube in alum tube, adding off center force is bad. If you really want a piston build the gun to have a piston, dont shoehorn one onto an existing design that wasn't made for it. Who is shoehorning? Give an example. Adams Arms maybe? All the major piston guns I know of have been modified and tested. Even Adams, which is very close, modifies standard uppers on the factory guns they make. Their kits, well that's a true shoehorn with an assist by an O-ring where it doesn't really belong. I thought Afghanman was all about shotguns? Soviet man or Paki man seems more appropriate this time. |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 4:09:18 AM EDT
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Da comrade when one uses their Krokodile kit as intended they are enlightened to the truth, humans much like Ak's require zero cleaning to function properly. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I also used to have a friend that had the same mentality that AK's were the ultimate weapon. So reliable, no cleaning needed. Apparently that mentality also translated to personal hygiene, because there were days that bastard stank. Said showers weren't that important, he could go a few days without one. Da comrade when one uses their Krokodile kit as intended they are enlightened to the truth, humans much like Ak's require zero cleaning to function properly. Your mind on AK: 
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Posted: 12/20/2014 4:10:13 AM EDT
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I thought Afghanman was all about shotguns? Soviet man or Paki man seems more appropriate this time. 
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