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Posted: 12/13/2014 1:23:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because when you go to the range, and try have people shoot a qual course, and 10 out of the 30 AKs suffer horrible failures in the first 2 mags, that you have to spent 20 minutes fixing, get back to shooting. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Why in the hell would someone ''hate'' ak's? I never go to the range without one. Because when you go to the range, and try have people shoot a qual course, and 10 out of the 30 AKs suffer horrible failures in the first 2 mags, that you have to spent 20 minutes fixing, get back to shooting. Then oh, 4 broke terminally and now those guys can't shoot until next range time, and you will have to spend that time zeroing them because their old gun sheered a piston in half. They are infuriating garbage. Garbage goes in the garbage can. With the exception of one and it was a Century all of my AK rifles have been 100% Granted I mostly spend money on kit builds from former military rifles. |
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Posted: 12/13/2014 1:23:47 AM EDT
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Yeah totally original thread I know but humor me.....Why do some of you hate the AK? Because Murrica bitch |
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Posted: 12/13/2014 1:24:14 AM EDT
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... Simply because there are better, "Go to" platforms available to us Still, I like mine - as a matter of fact she's next to me now "When you absolutely, positively, got to kill every motherfucker in the room; accept no substitutes." Tru Dat. If I had to shoot my way out of a situation at close quarters, I know which rifle to grab. |
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Posted: 12/13/2014 1:25:16 AM EDT
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[url=http://imgur.com/e80NWUl][img]http://i.imgur.com
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Posted: 12/13/2014 1:25:26 AM EDT
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I only have one  Used to have way more than one. Down to one again. I'm going to hit my usual AK spiel: Every American gun owner should own one. The mere fact that the former symbol of Soviet/Communist oppression can be bought and sold on the free market by private American citizens is fucking awesome. That being said, I prefer ARs for anything other than fun at the range. |
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Posted: 12/13/2014 1:25:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:Jesus where are they buying their AK'S? With the exception of one and it was a Century all of my AK rifles have been 100% Granted I mostly spend money on kit builds from former military rifles. Brand new strait out of the crate from a huge variety of manufacturers. These are military rifles. The defect is pretending that garbage can be used as a gun, instead of going in a can. |
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Posted: 12/13/2014 1:26:34 AM EDT
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Takes too much energy to hate AKs, I tend to ignore them and prefer superior platforms.
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Posted: 12/13/2014 1:26:44 AM EDT
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I absolutely love my one and only AK platform rifle! My converted Saiga is a nice shooter, with a nice trigger. Nice and clean 2.5 lb trigger break with some smithing.
What I do hate is my friend getting me into AR's, damnit my wallet cant afford all the options! |
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Posted: 12/13/2014 1:26:50 AM EDT
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I like everything about mine except the charging handle location. It needs to be on the left side of the gun for us right handed shooters, you know, for probably 90% of the people in the world.
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Posted: 12/13/2014 1:27:11 AM EDT
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It's crude, inaccurate and the preferred rifle of dirt shooters.
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Posted: 12/13/2014 1:30:55 AM EDT
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Terrible sights, short sight radius, horrible trigger, horrible safety, magazine retained by a protrusion rather than depression, charging handle on wrong side, terrible for mounting optics and they smell like communism. Sights aren't optimal, but just fine for your average American gun owner. M4 and AK iron sight radius are the exact same. Stock AR triggers and Stock AK triggers feel the same to me, so meh. Safety does suck. Magazine retention isn't optimal. I'm a lefty, so charging handle is in a great fucking position. Traditional AK optics mounts do suck ass. No, they smell like freedom because you're buying them as a free American, ya doofus. 
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Posted: 12/13/2014 1:30:59 AM EDT
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It's crude, inaccurate and the preferred rifle of dirt shooters. You ever shot popups with one, full auto? It's a killing machine. I've taken deer with my MAK90. 
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Posted: 12/13/2014 1:31:16 AM EDT
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The AK47 was superior to the early AR15/M16 series all the way up to the coming of the flat top ARs.
Once optics became general issue worthy and the improved AR magazines became available, the AR was superior. |
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Posted: 12/13/2014 1:31:39 AM EDT
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Most of the problems with the AK come from the age of the design and the manufacturer.
If it's some nasty Wasr or somesuch from some trashy factory in who knows where then it's going to be a piece of trash regardless of the inherent design of the weapon. The other issues, such as the mag release, the charging handle on the wrong side etc, are all byproducts of the Soviet considerations surrounding its design. The AK never got the modernizing the AR did, at least not until very recently, and then only in Russia. I have an N-PAP and the fact that the Serbs did a fantastic job on it is one of the reasons it's not in the garbage can. It's much less modern than my AR, and I won't go to war with it if I can use my AR, but it's a solid and well built weapon that fires a cheap cartridge. It's a bit dated, and I can remedy some of that, and ultimately it works for what it is supposed to do. The issue with AKs is that they aren't modernized, and shouldn't be considered as such. |
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Posted: 12/13/2014 1:31:41 AM EDT
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They're fun. I like them.
Finland likes them. Israel liked them. South Africa liked them before it died. They aren't all bad. Yeah, they're also Jundi guns. Whatever. Still fun. |
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Posted: 12/13/2014 1:32:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I like everything about mine except the charging handle location. It needs to be on the left side of the gun for us right handed shooters, you know, for probably 90% of the people in the world. Suck it. I laugh when people talk bad AK ergos....I also immediately know they are not left handed. |
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Posted: 12/13/2014 1:32:38 AM EDT
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I actually had an AK back in the 90s. It was an Egyptian Maadi with a nice thumbhole stock. It wasn't a bad gun, but I felt bad owning it. I am going to state very clearly, I do not believe anyone who owns an AK is unpatriotic, but for me personally, I felt unpatriotic owning it. And I wouldn't own one to this day because it is the weapon of the muslim terrorists. It's the rifle Bin Laden was pictured proudly holding. It's the weapon of Islamic terrorism and communist oppression. I want nothing to do with it.
The AR is the rifle for me. It's America's rifle! The rifle of freedom, the rifle of defiance against oppression. It's the weapon of the good guys. That being said, I support the right of any American to own an AK, and I am strongly opposed to the Obama-imposed import ban on Russian-made AKs. It's a thinly veiled attack on our Second Amendment rights. |
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Posted: 12/13/2014 1:32:42 AM EDT
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With the exception of one and it was a Century all of my AK rifles have been 100% Granted I mostly spend money on kit builds from former military rifles. Brand new strait out of the crate from a huge variety of manufacturers. These are military rifles. The defect is pretending that garbage can be used as a gun, instead of going in a can. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:Jesus where are they buying their AK'S?
Brand new strait out of the crate from a huge variety of manufacturers. These are military rifles. The defect is pretending that garbage can be used as a gun, instead of going in a can. They must do a better job on the ones they send over here. |
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Posted: 12/13/2014 1:33:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sights aren't optimal, but just fine for your average American gun owner. M4 and AK iron sight radius are the exact same. Stock AR triggers and Stock AK triggers feel the same to me, so meh. Safety does suck. Magazine retention isn't optimal. I'm a lefty, so charging handle is in a great fucking position. Traditional AK optics mounts do suck ass. No, they smell like freedom because you're buying them as a free American, ya doofus. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Terrible sights, short sight radius, horrible trigger, horrible safety, magazine retained by a protrusion rather than depression, charging handle on wrong side, terrible for mounting optics and they smell like communism. Sights aren't optimal, but just fine for your average American gun owner. M4 and AK iron sight radius are the exact same. Stock AR triggers and Stock AK triggers feel the same to me, so meh. Safety does suck. Magazine retention isn't optimal. I'm a lefty, so charging handle is in a great fucking position. Traditional AK optics mounts do suck ass. No, they smell like freedom because you're buying them as a free American, ya doofus. They smell like victory. Fuck you commies, we do your guns better than you did. |
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Posted: 12/13/2014 1:34:10 AM EDT
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It's crude, inaccurate and the preferred rifle of dirt shooters. My arsenal slr 107-36 shoots 2 moa, that's three shot groups with an aimpoint micro on it. |
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Posted: 12/13/2014 1:35:43 AM EDT
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They smell like victory. Fuck you commies, we do your guns better than you did. You get it. They're not better than ARs, but we can buy the former symbol of Soviet oppression and revolution online for no other reason than "I fucking want one". That's fucking awesome. 
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Posted: 12/13/2014 1:37:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Shitty ergodynamics and shitty reliability. Then again, mine is a WASR. Century Arms wins again
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Posted: 12/13/2014 1:37:44 AM EDT
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You get it. They're not better than ARs, but we can buy the former symbol of Soviet oppression and revolution online for no other reason than "I fucking want one". That's fucking awesome.
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They smell like victory. Fuck you commies, we do your guns better than you did. You get it. They're not better than ARs, but we can buy the former symbol of Soviet oppression and revolution online for no other reason than "I fucking want one". That's fucking awesome.
This I can agree with. |
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Posted: 12/13/2014 1:38:16 AM EDT
[#24]
It's not a functional thing for me. I was in the army during the cold war. I will forever associate the AK with my sworn enemy.
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Posted: 12/13/2014 1:39:12 AM EDT
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It belongs in the trashcan?? All seriousness aside I do really want an AK-74 variant, unfortunately a all around AR upper comes first!
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Posted: 12/13/2014 1:39:12 AM EDT
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My arsenal slr 107-36 shoots 2 moa, that's three shot groups with an aimpoint micro on it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's crude, inaccurate and the preferred rifle of dirt shooters. My arsenal slr 107-36 shoots 2 moa, that's three shot groups with an aimpoint micro on it. Thought I should be more specific, 2.75'' to be exact. I know, in ''moa'' talk that's a decent difference. |
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Posted: 12/13/2014 1:40:07 AM EDT
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Because when you go to the range, and try to have people shoot a qual course, and 10 out of the 30 AKs suffer horrible failures in the first 2 mags, then you have to spent 20 minutes fixing, before you can get back to shooting. Then oh, 4 broke terminally and now those guys can't shoot until next range time, and you will have to spend that time zeroing them because their old gun sheered a piston in half. They are infuriating garbage. Garbage goes in the garbage can. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why in the hell would someone ''hate'' ak's? I never go to the range without one. Because when you go to the range, and try to have people shoot a qual course, and 10 out of the 30 AKs suffer horrible failures in the first 2 mags, then you have to spent 20 minutes fixing, before you can get back to shooting. Then oh, 4 broke terminally and now those guys can't shoot until next range time, and you will have to spend that time zeroing them because their old gun sheered a piston in half. They are infuriating garbage. Garbage goes in the garbage can. Iraq or Afghanistan? |
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Posted: 12/13/2014 1:40:44 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's not a functional thing for me. I was in the army during the cold war. I will forever associate the AK with my sworn enemy.  |
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Posted: 12/13/2014 1:41:37 AM EDT
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You ever shot popups with one, full auto? It's a killing machine. I've taken deer with my MAK90.
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It's crude, inaccurate and the preferred rifle of dirt shooters. You ever shot popups with one, full auto? It's a killing machine. I've taken deer with my MAK90.
No, never had one that was F/A or fired one that was. I've had a few semis over the years and always found them crude in comparison to the AR and lacking in accuracy for varmint work, which is my benchmark. 300 yard plus shots are not going to reliably happen with an AK 
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Posted: 12/13/2014 1:42:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Iraq or Afghanistan? Both.
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Posted: 12/13/2014 1:42:45 AM EDT
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I hate AKs for the same reason people hate XD's
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Posted: 12/13/2014 1:43:43 AM EDT
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Terrible sights, short sight radius, horrible trigger, horrible safety, magazine retained by a protrusion rather than depression, charging handle on wrong side, terrible for mounting optics and they smell like communism. ETA but don't tell my M92 PAP I said those hateful things. It might reject my Form 1  THe sight radius on an AK is nearly identical to the sight radius on an AR carbine. 
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Posted: 12/13/2014 1:43:59 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I hate AKs for the same reason people hate XD's Springfield sells plastic AK's made in Croatia? |
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Posted: 12/13/2014 1:44:58 AM EDT
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I hate the asinine mythology surrounding them, the silly arguments usually made in their favor and the often childish fanboys.
The guns themselves are pretty cool, and I actually like them, but have some very real issues compared to AR15s. |
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Posted: 12/13/2014 1:45:21 AM EDT
[#35]
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I actually had an AK back in the 90s. It was an Egyptian Maadi with a nice thumbhole stock. It wasn't a bad gun, but I felt bad owning it. I am going to state very clearly, I do not believe anyone who owns an AK is unpatriotic, but for me personally, I felt unpatriotic owning it. And I wouldn't own one to this day because it is the weapon of the muslim terrorists. It's the rifle Bin Laden was pictured proudly holding. It's the weapon of Islamic terrorism and communist oppression. I want nothing to do with it. The AR is the rifle for me. It's America's rifle! The rifle of freedom, the rifle of defiance against oppression. It's the weapon of the good guys. That being said, I support the right of any American to own an AK, and I am strongly opposed to the Obama-imposed import ban on Russian-made AKs. It's a thinly veiled attack on our Second Amendment rights. Please share your thoughts on the K98. Seriously. |
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Posted: 12/13/2014 1:47:16 AM EDT
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It's not a functional thing for me. I was in the army during the cold war. I will forever associate the AK with my sworn enemy. LOL 
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Posted: 12/13/2014 1:47:39 AM EDT
[#37]
Because rusted ace said they belong in the trash can.
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Posted: 12/13/2014 1:48:48 AM EDT
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LOL Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's not a functional thing for me. I was in the army during the cold war. I will forever associate the AK with my sworn enemy. LOL I was in the Army during the Global War on Terror. I will forever associate commercial airliners with my sworn enemy.
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Posted: 12/13/2014 1:49:34 AM EDT
[#39]
Because it's junk.
And this is AR15.COM not commiegun.com |
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Posted: 12/13/2014 1:50:43 AM EDT
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Because it's junk. And this is AR15.COM not commiegun.com Check out AK47.net some time
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Posted: 12/13/2014 1:52:03 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't hate AKs. I just hate the Yugo I have because it's a Century fucked piece of shit and unreliable  You should have bought Yugo parts kits when they were cheap, then you could have built them at home
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Posted: 12/13/2014 1:52:36 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/13/2014 1:54:13 AM EDT
[#43]
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Springfield sells plastic AK's made in Croatia? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I hate AKs for the same reason people hate XD's Springfield sells plastic AK's made in Croatia? Naw. I think they are ugly, inaccurate, and unreliable. But I don't really have any facts to base that on. |
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Posted: 12/13/2014 1:54:19 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Because it's junk. And this is AR15.COM not commiegun.com Why you gotta make Misha sad?  |
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Posted: 12/13/2014 1:56:58 AM EDT
[#45]
when I owned this one, it was one of my favorites
 Some Yugo Underfolders and a Polish on the right side  |
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Posted: 12/13/2014 1:59:19 AM EDT
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It's the most prolific small arm in the history of mankind.
Based on its design parameters and intended doctrine of use - it is an outstanding weapon. At the TN HTF shoot there were MANY of folks who were baffled that they could hit the 10" plates at 200-250 yards with 7.62x39 variants. Most of the folks had never even shot one and at the end of the day - I came home with some 5.56 left over but my cans of 7.62x39 were empty. Everyone wanted to have some fun. Consensus of the day: AK's are pretty fucking fun to shoot. 99.8% of us will never use a carbine in a defensive manner - 100% of us will use a carbine for recreational shooting.... Everyone should have at least 1 AK. |
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Posted: 12/13/2014 2:01:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's the most prolific small arm in the history of mankind. Based on its design parameters and intended doctrine of use - it is an outstanding weapon. At the TN HTF shoot there were MANY of folks who were baffled that they could hit the 10" plates at 200-250 yards with 7.62x39 variants. Most of the folks had never even shot one and at the end of the day - I came home with some 5.56 left over but my cans of 7.62x39 were empty. Everyone wanted to have some fun. Consensus of the day: AK's are pretty fucking fun to shoot. 99.8% of us will never use a carbine in a defensive manner - 100% of us will use a carbine for recreational shooting.... Everyone should have at least 1 AK. |
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Posted: 12/13/2014 2:04:43 AM EDT
[#48]
Not ugly.
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Posted: 12/13/2014 2:05:21 AM EDT
[#49]
I have more AKs than ARs....I think
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Posted: 12/13/2014 2:06:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have more AKs than ARs....I think |
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